Oxygen-free finish container idea

I had a friend who had the idea of keeping his finish in the
collapasble plastic bladders a whild ago. The spout on the wind
bladders works fine for dispensing what ever amount of finish that you
need, and there is almost no oxygen in the container.
robo hippy

[email protected] wrote:
> Check with United Plastics - betcha they have collapsable containers
> that would fit your needs. Personally, since I weld some, I have a
> tank of ARGON, and I just use the ARGON instead of the MUCH more
> expensive stuff like Bloxygen. Works great to prevent oxidation and I
> use it in all my contains of paint/varnish/shellack/etc

Google "platypus water".
JP



> John
>
> On 30 Aug 2005 13:54:52 -0700, "robo hippy" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I had a friend who had the idea of keeping his finish in the
> >collapasble plastic bladders a whild ago. The spout on the wind
> >bladders works fine for dispensing what ever amount of finish that you
> >need, and there is almost no oxygen in the container.
> >robo hippy

Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 2:26pm [email protected] (Stephen=A0M)
has queried:
<snip> how about using a baby bottle with the diposable liners. <snip>

I just remebered. Some time back, I had occassion to store some
smaller amounts of latex paint, of various colore. So, I decided to try
small plastic soda bottles. Worked great. However. There's always a
however. Worked great while I was using very small amounts of the paint
ever day or so. But, I went about a week without using any, and it
dried on the threads. Kinda hard to uscrew the top. OK, no biggie.
Then the paint set up some more, and had to use pliers to unscrew the
top. OK, still nothing large. But then the tops got the the point
where they wouldn't come off at all. Finally wound up cutting the
bottle tops off.

Since then, I keep small portions of latex paint in some small
containers, with snap on tops, I got in the grocery store. Got 5 or 6
in a pack, for just $1 or $2. The paint does have the tendency to
thicken up a bit, over time, but just adding a bit of water and stirring
takes care of that. The tops to tend to stick a bit, from paint drying
on the edges, but no prob. When that happens, I just run a popsicle
stick around the top, pops it loose, no prob. I use other containers,
same type, to keep screws, nails, etc., in - clear plastic, you don't
need labels of what's in it, just look. That is very handy.

I don't know if that would work for an oil base paint or not. The
only oil base paine I use anymore bright yellow, I keep a small can of
that in my shop, for painting tools - latex won't work for that.



JOAT
Plans? Plans? Don' need no steenkin' plans.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:26:59 -0400, the blithe spirit "Stephen M"
<[email protected]> clearly indicated:

>There have been a few threads recently about usign marbles or decanting to
>smaller containers to keep partially used containers of varnish from curing.
>
>It seems to me that the best way to do this would be bladder-type
>arangement, not unlike an el-cheapo 5-liter box of wine, a plastic bag tha
>simply collapses as it is emptied. More specifically, how about using a
>baby bottle with the diposable liners.

Probably not thick enough to prevent oxygen migration. Baby wouldn't
like it much, either.


>I "acquired" my stepdaughter at age 5, so I do not have any hands-on
>experience. Would it be possible to swap out the nipple for some other type
>of spout. Heck, maybe the nipple would work fine as is.

Might the solvents eat the bag or nipple? Best not take a chance.
And the nipple wouldn't be secure enough to prevent airflow.


>What do you all think. is there any merit to the idea. Any new dad's out
>there willing to comment?
>
>I have a brand new quart of Waterlox that I am hesitant to open.

Here are 3 very good solutions: marbles to take up the slack,
Bloxygen, or inert gas. Propane works and is not much more flammable
than the solvents already -in- most finishes.

LJ--who lost half my second (quart) can the second time due to my own
negligence. (The first I remembered to put Bloxygen in.)


--
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every American should become a Libertarian."
-- Charley Reese, Alameda Times-Star (California), June 17, 2003

Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 2:26pm [email protected] (Stephen=A0M)
who doth aver:
There have been a few threads recently about usign marbles or decanting
to smaller containers to keep partially used containers of varnish from
curing.
<snip>

Recently? Check the archives.

I just checked a post I had previously made, and this thread was
next.

If you're just gonna be concerned with small amounts, I'd get a
baby bottle or two and see how it works.

I usually don't use large amounts of anything, at one time.
Usually. So, over time, I've determined that, for me at least, the
least hassle, and most cost effective way, is to buy the smallest can of
whatever that I know I will be able to use up before it hardens, spoils,
whatever. If I need more than I'd figured on, I just get anolther small
can. Yeah, probably it costs a bit more per unit - but it works, and,
to me, is worth the lack of hassle.



JOAT
Plans? Plans? Don' need no steenkin' plans.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:42:47 -0500, Duane Bozarth
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Works in theory...of course, the flammability goes <way> up and is
>primary potential problem.

I just checked a few resources

Flash Point (closed cup) of propane ~67 degress C
Flash point of Naptha (closede cup) ~ 34 degrees C
Flash point of mineral spirits (Grade IVA) ~48 degrees C
Flash point of mineral spirits (grade IIC) ~ 61 degrees C

Propane is flammable, no doubt, but I suspect that most of us have one
or two of the other common solvents hanging around the shop that are
more so, in some cases a lot more so. Naptha, in particular, is a
great degreaser, but it is VERY flammable and, indeed, explosive. I've
lit too many campfires with Coleman fuel, losing eyebrows in the
process, to like the stuff! In still, humid air and given a few
seconds to disperse between the pour and the match lighting, you can
be at the center of a "Flaming Inferno" that's quite impressive to a
disinterested observer. Stinks of burnt hair on the inside tho'!

I'm not sure that a few CCs of propane in a close container has any
appreciable effect on the local area flammability.

Regards.

In article <[email protected]>, Tom Banes
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I've been cogitating and plan to try a squirt of propane from my
> soldering torch (unlit!), sorta like the relatively expensive oxygen
> replacement gas bottle stuff. Propane (C3H8) has a specific gravity
> of about 1.5 and a molecular weight of 50. Air has an SG of 1.0 and
> gaseous oxygen a molecular weight of 32, so the heavier propane should
> displace a lot of air and almost all the associated oxygen.
>
> Am I missing something here? Anyone tried it?

I've been using propane to displace air in cans for about 4 years now.

Works great.

djb

--
Life. Nature's way of keeping meat fresh. -- Dr. Who

Tom Banes wrote:
>
> I like the baby bottle idea tho' mine are 25+ years beyond that stage.
>
> I've been cogitating and plan to try a squirt of propane from my
> soldering torch (unlit!), sorta like the relatively expensive oxygen
> replacement gas bottle stuff. Propane (C3H8) has a specific gravity
> of about 1.5 and a molecular weight of 50. Air has an SG of 1.0 and
> gaseous oxygen a molecular weight of 32, so the heavier propane should
> displace a lot of air and almost all the associated oxygen.
...

Works in theory...of course, the flammability goes <way> up and is
primary potential problem.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:26:59 -0400, "Stephen M"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>It seems to me that the best way to do this would be bladder-type
>arangement, not unlike an el-cheapo 5-liter box of wine, a plastic bag tha
>simply collapses as it is emptied. More specifically, how about using a
>baby bottle with the diposable liners.
>

For large amounts, the containers Lee Valley has should work fine.
Since I do more hobby work than large scale woodworking, I store
smaller amounts of my supplies in syringes. A medical supply place
should have a giant range of sizes (Up to 60cc, though the 60s usually
have too wide a tip to actually hold liquid in). You will probably
want to ask for the non-Leur-Loc tips. Most of what I keep in them is
waterbased varnish (Varathane), paints, and 2-part epoxy (Measuring in
graduated syringes is far, far more accurate than using two different
containers and pouring back and forth between them).

Oddly enough, I used a small one for a peanut-oil based prescription
for dry skin - and the rubber tip on the syringe eventually came off
the plunger. It could be that this particular syringe wasn't a good
quality, however.

I don't know how well syringes would stand up to oil based or (other)
solvent based paints.

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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:42:47 -0500, Duane Bozarth
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tom Banes wrote:
>>
>> I like the baby bottle idea tho' mine are 25+ years beyond that stage.
>>
>> I've been cogitating and plan to try a squirt of propane from my
>> soldering torch (unlit!), sorta like the relatively expensive oxygen
>> replacement gas bottle stuff. Propane (C3H8) has a specific gravity
>> of about 1.5 and a molecular weight of 50. Air has an SG of 1.0 and
>> gaseous oxygen a molecular weight of 32, so the heavier propane should
>> displace a lot of air and almost all the associated oxygen.
>...
>
>Works in theory...of course, the flammability goes <way> up and is
>primary potential problem.

I've been using propane for the last couple of years with good
results. Yes flammability is a problem but I consider it minimal
since there's so little propane used and its not like a bunch of
strangers are inspecting the insides of my containers with matches.
The entire empty space in the container doesnt have to be filled since
the propane is heaver and sinks to cover the surface of the material
inside. I just stick the nozzle of the torch in the container and
open it for about 3 seconds. The only downside is the stench from the
gas.

Stephen M wrote:
> There have been a few threads recently about usign marbles or decanting=
to
> smaller containers to keep partially used containers of varnish from cu=
ring.
>=20
> It seems to me that the best way to do this would be bladder-type
> arangement, not unlike an el-cheapo 5-liter box of wine, a plastic bag =
tha
> simply collapses as it is emptied. More specifically, how about using =
a
> baby bottle with the diposable liners.
>=20
> I "acquired" my stepdaughter at age 5, so I do not have any hands-on
> experience. Would it be possible to swap out the nipple for some other =
type
> of spout. Heck, maybe the nipple would work fine as is.
>=20
> What do you all think. is there any merit to the idea. Any new dad's ou=
t
> there willing to comment?
>=20
> I have a brand new quart of Waterlox that I am hesitant to open.
>=20
> -Steve
>=20
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>=20

Kinda like that maybe?

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3D2&p=3D20052&cat=3D1,190,44133=




--=20
Will R.
Jewel Boxes and Wood Art
http://woodwork.pmccl.com
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those=20
who have not got it.=94 George Bernard Shaw

Yeah, like that but with the ability to shrink to much less than 16 oz.

"WillR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Stephen M wrote:
> There have been a few threads recently about usign marbles or decanting to
> smaller containers to keep partially used containers of varnish from
curing.
>
> It seems to me that the best way to do this would be bladder-type
> arangement, not unlike an el-cheapo 5-liter box of wine, a plastic bag tha
> simply collapses as it is emptied. More specifically, how about using a
> baby bottle with the diposable liners.
>
> I "acquired" my stepdaughter at age 5, so I do not have any hands-on
> experience. Would it be possible to swap out the nipple for some other
type
> of spout. Heck, maybe the nipple would work fine as is.
>
> What do you all think. is there any merit to the idea. Any new dad's out
> there willing to comment?
>
> I have a brand new quart of Waterlox that I am hesitant to open.
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
>
>

Kinda like that maybe?

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=20052&cat=1,190,44133



--
Will R.
Jewel Boxes and Wood Art
http://woodwork.pmccl.com
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those
who have not got it.” George Bernard Shaw

>> Recently? Check the archives. I just checked a post I had
previously made, and this thread was next.

Sorry JT, to be frank, I generally skip past most of your initial posts
because the inspirational stuff is not my cup of tea. I must have missed it.

>>If you're just gonna be concerned with small amounts, I'd get a
>>baby bottle or two and see how it works.

I just may have to do that.

>> I usually don't use large amounts of anything, at one time.
>>Usually. So, over time, I've determined that, for me at least, the
>>least hassle, and most cost effective way, is to buy the smallest can
of.......

The thing is that I can't get specialty finishing supplies locally. I'm in
it for shipping. I recently bought a quart of waterlox. Homestead was the
cheapest I could find at 17.99 + $8 shipping. Maybe I'm just cheap but
$26/quart seems pricey by just about any standard. It would be cheaper to
buy fancy storage bottles that to purchase smaller containers.

-Steve

"Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There have been a few threads recently about usign marbles or decanting to
> smaller containers to keep partially used containers of varnish from
> curing.
>
> It seems to me that the best way to do this would be bladder-type
> arangement, not unlike an el-cheapo 5-liter box of wine, a plastic bag tha
> simply collapses as it is emptied. More specifically, how about using a
> baby bottle with the diposable liners.
>
> I "acquired" my stepdaughter at age 5, so I do not have any hands-on
> experience. Would it be possible to swap out the nipple for some other
> type
> of spout. Heck, maybe the nipple would work fine as is.
>
> What do you all think. is there any merit to the idea. Any new dad's out
> there willing to comment?
>
> I have a brand new quart of Waterlox that I am hesitant to open.
>
> -Steve

Simply seal the can and turn it upside down, the oxygen goes to the bottom
and the top side stays fresh.

Check with United Plastics - betcha they have collapsable containers
that would fit your needs. Personally, since I weld some, I have a
tank of ARGON, and I just use the ARGON instead of the MUCH more
expensive stuff like Bloxygen. Works great to prevent oxidation and I
use it in all my contains of paint/varnish/shellack/etc

John

On 30 Aug 2005 13:54:52 -0700, "robo hippy" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I had a friend who had the idea of keeping his finish in the
>collapasble plastic bladders a whild ago. The spout on the wind
>bladders works fine for dispensing what ever amount of finish that you
>need, and there is almost no oxygen in the container.
>robo hippy

I like the baby bottle idea tho' mine are 25+ years beyond that stage.

I've been cogitating and plan to try a squirt of propane from my
soldering torch (unlit!), sorta like the relatively expensive oxygen
replacement gas bottle stuff. Propane (C3H8) has a specific gravity
of about 1.5 and a molecular weight of 50. Air has an SG of 1.0 and
gaseous oxygen a molecular weight of 32, so the heavier propane should
displace a lot of air and almost all the associated oxygen.

Am I missing something here? Anyone tried it?

Regards.

Tom

"It so cold in Texas last winter that the lawyers had their hands in
their own pockets."


On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:26:59 -0400, "Stephen M"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>There have been a few threads recently about usign marbles or decanting to
>smaller containers to keep partially used containers of varnish from curing.
>
>It seems to me that the best way to do this would be bladder-type
>arangement, not unlike an el-cheapo 5-liter box of wine, a plastic bag tha
>simply collapses as it is emptied. More specifically, how about using a
>baby bottle with the diposable liners.
>
>I "acquired" my stepdaughter at age 5, so I do not have any hands-on
>experience. Would it be possible to swap out the nipple for some other type
>of spout. Heck, maybe the nipple would work fine as is.
>
>What do you all think. is there any merit to the idea. Any new dad's out
>there willing to comment?
>
>I have a brand new quart of Waterlox that I am hesitant to open.
>
>-Steve
>
>
>
>

Some suggest camera outlet where collapsible containers are frequently
used by shutterbugs.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:26:59 -0400, "Stephen M"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>There have been a few threads recently about usign marbles or decanting to
>smaller containers to keep partially used containers of varnish from curing.
>
>It seems to me that the best way to do this would be bladder-type
>arangement, not unlike an el-cheapo 5-liter box of wine, a plastic bag tha
>simply collapses as it is emptied. More specifically, how about using a
>baby bottle with the diposable liners.
>
>I "acquired" my stepdaughter at age 5, so I do not have any hands-on
>experience. Would it be possible to swap out the nipple for some other type
>of spout. Heck, maybe the nipple would work fine as is.
>
>What do you all think. is there any merit to the idea. Any new dad's out
>there willing to comment?
>
>I have a brand new quart of Waterlox that I am hesitant to open.
>
>-Steve
>
>
>
>