LT

"Lincoln Terns"

01/12/2006 3:32 PM

Chisels for tropical hardwoods?

Can anyone recommend reasonably priced chisels( say around $100-150 for
a set of six) that are tough enough to hold up to tropical hardwoods?
I have a set of Marples Blue Chip which I always thought were fairly
decent chisels and a good value. Recently I was trying to make some
cross grain cuts in some jatoba. The cut was a heavy paring cut and I
was using a deadblow mallet to hasten it along. I was very chagrined to
discover that I actually chipped the steel on the chisel. Is possible
that my chisels are defective? Am I asking too much of the Marples? In
either case I definitely need new chisels to cut the very obstinate
jatoba. Any recommendations from users who have actually used chisels
that can cut wood like this?

Paul


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LT

"Lincoln Terns"

in reply to "Lincoln Terns" on 01/12/2006 3:32 PM

04/12/2006 6:20 AM


CW wrote:
> If the steel chips before dulling, you need a steeper angle.

Doh! ( dope slap to forehead) Thanks for all of the quick responses
pointing out the obvious and completely overlooked solution. I will
regrind and take another whack at the wood.

NE

"Never Enough Money"

in reply to "Lincoln Terns" on 01/12/2006 3:32 PM

04/12/2006 6:25 AM

I recommend you spend a little more and get the Lie-Nilesen chisels.

http://www.lie-nielsen.com/catalog.php?cat=521


Lincoln Terns wrote:
> Can anyone recommend reasonably priced chisels( say around $100-150 for
> a set of six) that are tough enough to hold up to tropical hardwoods?
> I have a set of Marples Blue Chip which I always thought were fairly
> decent chisels and a good value. Recently I was trying to make some
> cross grain cuts in some jatoba. The cut was a heavy paring cut and I
> was using a deadblow mallet to hasten it along. I was very chagrined to
> discover that I actually chipped the steel on the chisel. Is possible
> that my chisels are defective? Am I asking too much of the Marples? In
> either case I definitely need new chisels to cut the very obstinate
> jatoba. Any recommendations from users who have actually used chisels
> that can cut wood like this?
>
> Paul

JJ

in reply to "Lincoln Terns" on 01/12/2006 3:32 PM

01/12/2006 7:19 PM

Fri, Dec 1, 2006, 3:32pm (EST-3) [email protected] (Lincoln=A0Terns)
doth sayeth:
<snip>The cut was a heavy paring cut and I was using a deadblow mallet
to hasten it along. <snip>

You can quote me on this, but it won't mean a thing. LOL I have
the feeling that using a deadblow mallet could well have had something
to do with damaging the chisel. I'd think a carving mallet would have
been better.

I've got an inexpensive set of Hf chisels. I've even used them on
som almost rock hard pallet wood, using turned carving mallts, sometimes
whacking the Hell out of them. I have to resharpen them oftener than
the pricey stuff, but no signs of damage, except the more rapid dulling. =




JOAT
I am, therefore I think.

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "Lincoln Terns" on 01/12/2006 3:32 PM

02/12/2006 2:04 AM

If the steel chips before dulling, you need a steeper angle.

"Lincoln Terns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Can anyone recommend reasonably priced chisels( say around $100-150 for
> a set of six) that are tough enough to hold up to tropical hardwoods?
> I have a set of Marples Blue Chip which I always thought were fairly
> decent chisels and a good value. Recently I was trying to make some
> cross grain cuts in some jatoba. The cut was a heavy paring cut and I
> was using a deadblow mallet to hasten it along. I was very chagrined to
> discover that I actually chipped the steel on the chisel. Is possible
> that my chisels are defective? Am I asking too much of the Marples? In
> either case I definitely need new chisels to cut the very obstinate
> jatoba. Any recommendations from users who have actually used chisels
> that can cut wood like this?
>
> Paul
>

Jt

"Juvenal"

in reply to "Lincoln Terns" on 01/12/2006 3:32 PM

02/12/2006 12:17 AM



"Lincoln Terns" wrote...

> Can anyone recommend reasonably priced chisels( say around $100-150 for
> a set of six) that are tough enough to hold up to tropical hardwoods?
[...]

The Marples morticing chisels are beefier than standard chisels and might do
the trick. You could also try regrinding your chisels to 35 or maybe even
40 degrees. That's really a better angle for mortising than for paring, but
if the wood is that hard it could help keep the edges from chipping.



Moonstone Plovers
www.tjwoodworking.com

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "Lincoln Terns" on 01/12/2006 3:32 PM

02/12/2006 12:10 AM

On 1 Dec 2006 15:32:23 -0800, "Lincoln Terns" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Am I asking too much of the Marples? In
>either case I definitely need new chisels to cut the very obstinate
>jatoba. Any recommendations from users who have actually used chisels
>that can cut wood like this?

If you're whacking them with a mallet, a different edge angle may
help. Try making the edge 5 degrees steeper (ex:// regrinding 25 to
30, or 30 to 35).

I've got the same Marples, as well as a set of Hirsch (Two Cherries)
firmer chisels. The Marples are actually very good chisels for the
money and quite serviceable. I keep my Blue Chips ground to 30
degrees for all around use, including trim carpentry, and the Hirsch
(and a Veritas Skew set) ground to a shallower 20 or 25 degrees. I
never hit the shallow grinds, using them only for fine hand work, like
hand fitting machined joints and hinge installation. I have a set of
mortise chisels ground to a 35 degree bevel, but rarely use them with
my preferred methods.

I usually keep this book:
<http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Guide-Sharpening-Leonard-Lee/dp/1561581259>
handy at the sharpening station for reference. The book is often too
much information, but at least it's set up for relatively easy
reference to accomplish a task. The theory sections seem to be very
well respected by those who are deeply into sharpening theory. <G>

Another idea that's helped me lots with hand tools is keeping a pocket
"Sharpening Notes" notebook handy at the sharpening station. This
lets me remember the details of little-used tools, and what did and
didn't work on all of my tools. In the book, I'll note angles, jig
used, setting details for the jig, etc...


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