CNN: "Toyota's president Akio Toyoda apologized for the gas pedal
problems that have forced the recall of millions of vehicles, Japanese
media reported."
What a difference from the approach other auto manufacturer's have
used when faced with a major problem. Apologize. The norm has been
deny it. deny it. deny it. Then grudgingly fix it while continuing
to deny a real problem.
In article <[email protected]>, Bruce
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:12:23 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote
> (in article <[email protected]>):
>
> >> I think my brother has my old timing light & dwell meter.
> >
> > I still have both of mine (dad's old strobe timing light and vacuum
> > meter), and they have about 1/4" of dust on them now, under my toolbox
> > in a metal case, my dwellmeter in the bottom of the box.
>
> Vacuum gauges are still very handy for engine testing....
>
But as there's no way for a home mechanic to REPAIR an engine, why
bother?
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:17:36 -0500, Michael Kenefick
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Toyota has been denying it. They had a smaller, quieter recall last
>year for a related issue. Supposedly the rugs were catching the gas
>petals.
>
>Isn't that president supposed to commit harry carry after a major
>embarrassment such as this?
>
>RonB wrote:
>> CNN: "Toyota's president Akio Toyoda apologized for the gas pedal
>> problems that have forced the recall of millions of vehicles, Japanese
>> media reported."
>>
>> What a difference from the approach other auto manufacturer's have
>> used when faced with a major problem. Apologize. The norm has been
>> deny it. deny it. deny it. Then grudgingly fix it while continuing
>> to deny a real problem.
My 2006 Tundra was recalled in 2007. The Toyota dealer notified me
and replaced the front ball joints. And then, sometimes the Toyota
dealer can be a pest, trying me to trade for a newer model. Geez, my
truck is barely broken in at 16,000 miles. Overall, it's a good
solid truck and hope to take it to well-over 100,000 miles. If at the
time I was truck shopping, if I did not cut a good deal, I was ready
to look at Ford 150s where there are more choices and high demand. I
think Ford makes a good truck, certainly better looking than a Tundra.
On Jan 30, 2:19=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 30, 3:18=A0pm, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 2:04=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 30, 1:19=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > > > Leon wrote:
> > > > > ...
>
> > > > >> I think the question should be what is CTI, the American maker o=
f the
> > > > >> pedal, doing to do to help resolve the problem.
>
> > > > > AFAICT, building to spec on the originals and shipping a redesign=
ed
> > > > > part...
>
> > > > It would seem odd that the the manufacturers that used CTI and are =
stopping
> > > > production =A0would submit defective spec's to CTI to start with. =
=A0Perhaps QC
> > > > was a problem, from what I understand the pedals wore or broke prem=
aturely.
>
> > > I know I'm going to get raspberries from many here, but this IS my
> > > theory......
> > > Toyota has decided to allow GM to regain some of their foothold in th=
e
> > > market. Those guys have been in bed together for quite a long time an=
d
> > > many projects (Tundra, Matrix/Vibe etc...) Industry insiders tell me
> > > that gas pedal issue is nowhere near the catastrophe Toyota has made
> > > it out to be. I think they are helping out their GM buddies. Call me
> > > crazy.
>
> > Let's see. =A0How do you spell a raspberry:
>
> > "Ppppppfffffffftttttttt!!!!!
>
> > Did I do good? =A0 :^)
>
> Not enough spray....LOL
You are right
""""""""Ppppppfffffffftttttttt!!!!! """""""""
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:14:03 -0500, the infamous Phisherman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:17:36 -0500, Michael Kenefick
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Toyota has been denying it. They had a smaller, quieter recall last
>>year for a related issue. Supposedly the rugs were catching the gas
>>petals.
>>
>>Isn't that president supposed to commit harry carry after a major
>>embarrassment such as this?
>>
>>RonB wrote:
>>> CNN: "Toyota's president Akio Toyoda apologized for the gas pedal
>>> problems that have forced the recall of millions of vehicles, Japanese
>>> media reported."
>>>
>>> What a difference from the approach other auto manufacturer's have
>>> used when faced with a major problem. Apologize. The norm has been
>>> deny it. deny it. deny it. Then grudgingly fix it while continuing
>>> to deny a real problem.
>
>
>My 2006 Tundra was recalled in 2007. The Toyota dealer notified me
>and replaced the front ball joints. And then, sometimes the Toyota
>dealer can be a pest, trying me to trade for a newer model. Geez, my
>truck is barely broken in at 16,000 miles. Overall, it's a good
>solid truck and hope to take it to well-over 100,000 miles. If at the
>time I was truck shopping, if I did not cut a good deal, I was ready
>to look at Ford 150s where there are more choices and high demand. I
>think Ford makes a good truck, certainly better looking than a Tundra.
Perhaps, but I wouldn't trade my Tundra for ten F-series trucks. I ran
my old truck ('90 F-150) for 17 years and was absolutely astounded
when I drove a new one. What a difference! Then I tried the Tacoma
(not bad, but hated the wimpy brake system) and the Tundra. I
instantly fell head over heels for the Tundra. It didn't hurt that the
vehicle I bought was $14k less than the equivalent F-series.
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:22:12 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> scrawled the following:
>In article <[email protected]>, Bruce
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:12:23 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote
>> (in article <[email protected]>):
>>
>> >> I think my brother has my old timing light & dwell meter.
>> >
>> > I still have both of mine (dad's old strobe timing light and vacuum
>> > meter), and they have about 1/4" of dust on them now, under my toolbox
>> > in a metal case, my dwellmeter in the bottom of the box.
>>
>> Vacuum gauges are still very handy for engine testing....
>>
>
>But as there's no way for a home mechanic to REPAIR an engine, why
>bother?
Perhaps to keep your mechanic honest?
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2010-01-30 17:09:06 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]> said:
>
>> Ford certainly makes a good looking truck but IMHO they are spending more
>> on looks than dependability and that is probably the single reason why
>> the imports are starting to gain on the big truck market. I absolutely
>> hated the looks of the new 07 Tundras. I shopped Ford, GMC, Chevrolet
>> and Toyota. I have only owned GM trucks and was totally turned off by
>> both GMC and Chevrolet.
>
> After years of driving Volvos (including the 1800S and ES!), I switched to
> Toyotas. We've been quite happy with them. Maybe not exciting cars, but
> certainly drivable.
>
> Then I was seduced by a gloriously yellow ("DOT yellow") Chevy Colorado. I
> liked that truck -- it was the right size, had some amenities, and it was
> YELLOW! But there were some niggling little things, like the radio
> antenna. It was just about 1/4 inch too near the windshield for the wiper
> blade to clear when you scrubbed the windshield. And the parking brake
> peddle snagged my cuff EVERY time I got in the damn truck...
The Colorado and Canyon days are numbered.
>
> But the real kicker came in the three months immediately prior to the
> warranty expiration.
>
> Month 3: replaced the heater blower motor (under warranty).
One of the parts that GM refuses to build better, I stocked at any given
time probably 2-3 hundred blower motors.
>
> Month 2: replaced the heater blower motor (under warranty).
>
> Month 1: replaced the heater -- bet you thought I was going to write
> "blower moter," didnt you? -- control switch.
Naw, LOL you were at your quota.
Given enough time you certianly would have replaced the alternator, I
stocked close to 1K of assorted numbers. And the AC compressor, those were
ordered by the hundreds per part number. When GM dropped the rebuildable A6
axial compressor and when with the radial in the mid 70's reliability
failed.
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
> ...
>
>> I think the question should be what is CTI, the American maker of the
>> pedal, doing to do to help resolve the problem.
>
> AFAICT, building to spec on the originals and shipping a redesigned
> part...
It would seem odd that the the manufacturers that used CTI and are stopping
production would submit defective spec's to CTI to start with. Perhaps QC
was a problem, from what I understand the pedals wore or broke prematurely.
"Michael Kenefick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Toyota has been denying it. They had a smaller, quieter recall last year
> for a related issue. Supposedly the rugs were catching the gas petals.
How have they been denying it???? I was informed by Toyota last year of the
problem as was all of the other owners with affected cars. Do you own an
affected Toyota? Because the recall has not made the news does tham make
Toyota quilty of denying?
All of the auto makers have campaign recalls on going most all of the time,
that is not news.
In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> Perhaps, but I wouldn't trade my Tundra for ten F-series trucks. I ran
> my old truck ('90 F-150) for 17 years and was absolutely astounded
> when I drove a new one. What a difference! Then I tried the Tacoma
> (not bad, but hated the wimpy brake system) and the Tundra. I
> instantly fell head over heels for the Tundra. It didn't hurt that the
> vehicle I bought was $14k less than the equivalent F-series.
Yabbut...
I still recall fondly standing INSIDE the engine compartment of an old
F150 straight 6 doing a complete tuneup including valve adjustments...
Deep sigh...
In article <[email protected]>, krw
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:03:55 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
> ><novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps, but I wouldn't trade my Tundra for ten F-series trucks. I ran
> >> my old truck ('90 F-150) for 17 years and was absolutely astounded
> >> when I drove a new one. What a difference! Then I tried the Tacoma
> >> (not bad, but hated the wimpy brake system) and the Tundra. I
> >> instantly fell head over heels for the Tundra. It didn't hurt that the
> >> vehicle I bought was $14k less than the equivalent F-series.
> >
> >Yabbut...
> >
> >I still recall fondly standing INSIDE the engine compartment of an old
> >F150 straight 6 doing a complete tuneup including valve adjustments...
>
> The bad news was that you *had* to do frequent tune-ups. Good
> riddance coils and points!
Anyone want to buy a used points file?
;-)
In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
> How about a dwell meter and timing light??? Or a tachometer, even?????
I think my brother has my old timing light & dwell meter.
On 2010-01-30 11:27:22 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]> said:
> Do you recall the last Toyota recall?
Tacoma frame rust-out.
On 2010-01-30 17:09:06 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]> said:
> Ford certainly makes a good looking truck but IMHO they are spending
> more on looks than dependability and that is probably the single
> reason why the imports are starting to gain on the big truck market.
> I absolutely hated the looks of the new 07 Tundras. I shopped Ford,
> GMC, Chevrolet and Toyota. I have only owned GM trucks and was totally
> turned off by both GMC and Chevrolet.
After years of driving Volvos (including the 1800S and ES!), I switched
to Toyotas. We've been quite happy with them. Maybe not exciting cars,
but certainly drivable.
Then I was seduced by a gloriously yellow ("DOT yellow") Chevy
Colorado. I liked that truck -- it was the right size, had some
amenities, and it was YELLOW! But there were some niggling little
things, like the radio antenna. It was just about 1/4 inch too near the
windshield for the wiper blade to clear when you scrubbed the
windshield. And the parking brake peddle snagged my cuff EVERY time I
got in the damn truck...
But the real kicker came in the three months immediately prior to the
warranty expiration.
Month 3: replaced the heater blower motor (under warranty).
Month 2: replaced the heater blower motor (under warranty).
Month 1: replaced the heater -- bet you thought I was going to write
"blower moter," didnt you? -- control switch.
Month 0: replaced the truck. I'm back in a Toyota. It's red.
Able to haul a lot of wood and machinery in that, too!
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:12:23 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
>> I think my brother has my old timing light & dwell meter.
>
> I still have both of mine (dad's old strobe timing light and vacuum
> meter), and they have about 1/4" of dust on them now, under my toolbox
> in a metal case, my dwellmeter in the bottom of the box.
Vacuum gauges are still very handy for engine testing....
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:22:12 -0700, Dave Balderstone wrote
(in article <040220101822126674%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>):
> In article <[email protected]>, Bruce
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:12:23 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote
>> (in article <[email protected]>):
>>
>>>> I think my brother has my old timing light & dwell meter.
>>>
>>> I still have both of mine (dad's old strobe timing light and vacuum
>>> meter), and they have about 1/4" of dust on them now, under my toolbox
>>> in a metal case, my dwellmeter in the bottom of the box.
>>
>> Vacuum gauges are still very handy for engine testing....
>>
>
> But as there's no way for a home mechanic to REPAIR an engine, why
> bother?
Depends on what you have/know 8^)
A modern engine can still have valves/ springs/ rings/hoses go bad.
On Jan 30, 1:19=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Leon wrote:
> > ...
>
> >> I think the question should be what is CTI, the American maker of the
> >> pedal, doing to do to help resolve the problem.
>
> > AFAICT, building to spec on the originals and shipping a redesigned
> > part...
>
> It would seem odd that the the manufacturers that used CTI and are stoppi=
ng
> production =A0would submit defective spec's to CTI to start with. =A0Perh=
aps QC
> was a problem, from what I understand the pedals wore or broke prematurel=
y.
I know I'm going to get raspberries from many here, but this IS my
theory......
Toyota has decided to allow GM to regain some of their foothold in the
market. Those guys have been in bed together for quite a long time and
many projects (Tundra, Matrix/Vibe etc...) Industry insiders tell me
that gas pedal issue is nowhere near the catastrophe Toyota has made
it out to be. I think they are helping out their GM buddies. Call me
crazy.
On Jan 30, 3:18=A0pm, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2:04=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 1:19=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > > Leon wrote:
> > > > ...
>
> > > >> I think the question should be what is CTI, the American maker of =
the
> > > >> pedal, doing to do to help resolve the problem.
>
> > > > AFAICT, building to spec on the originals and shipping a redesigned
> > > > part...
>
> > > It would seem odd that the the manufacturers that used CTI and are st=
opping
> > > production =A0would submit defective spec's to CTI to start with. =A0=
Perhaps QC
> > > was a problem, from what I understand the pedals wore or broke premat=
urely.
>
> > I know I'm going to get raspberries from many here, but this IS my
> > theory......
> > Toyota has decided to allow GM to regain some of their foothold in the
> > market. Those guys have been in bed together for quite a long time and
> > many projects (Tundra, Matrix/Vibe etc...) Industry insiders tell me
> > that gas pedal issue is nowhere near the catastrophe Toyota has made
> > it out to be. I think they are helping out their GM buddies. Call me
> > crazy.
>
> Let's see. =A0How do you spell a raspberry:
>
> "Ppppppfffffffftttttttt!!!!!
>
> Did I do good? =A0 :^)
THIS is 'good'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcWGn6_EH2gM
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:19:16 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Leon wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> I think the question should be what is CTI, the American maker of the
>>> pedal, doing to do to help resolve the problem.
>>
>> AFAICT, building to spec on the originals and shipping a redesigned
>> part...
>
>
>It would seem odd that the the manufacturers that used CTI and are stopping
>production would submit defective spec's to CTI to start with. Perhaps QC
>was a problem, from what I understand the pedals wore or broke prematurely.
Condensation (+ rust?) was apparently the culprit.
"Toyota dealers in the U.S. have been swamped with calls from
concerned owners but had few answers as the recalls snowballed.
Elkhart, Ind.-based CTS Corp., which made the parts, is cranking out
redesigned gas pedal assemblies that fix the problem, which is caused
by condensation around an arm attached to the pedal and springs that
send the pedal back to the idle position.Toyota dealers in the U.S.
have been swamped with calls from concerned owners but had few answers
as the recalls snowballed. Elkhart, Ind.-based CTS Corp., which made
the parts, is cranking out redesigned gas pedal assemblies that fix
the problem, which is caused by condensation around an arm attached to
the pedal and springs that send the pedal back to the idle position."
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
>
> Well, I'd say it's not been much different afaict. =A0They started out w/
> "no problem" and "driver error" and blaming floor mats for the problem
> and have only now come out since it's clear that it's going to be a
> major financial hit so they're trying to recover.
>
> That said, the congresscritters trying to make hay w/ hearings, etc.,
> are entirely out of line, too...
>
> --
Yes, they danced a bit too. But a public apology is not common in
that industry. Attorneys usually won't stand for it. It probably
speaks to the Japanese honor system. But it still outclasses the
approach Ford, Chevy and Audi used. "Nothing really wrong, they made
us fix it."
While we are at it, lets take a moment to honor the king of the
Detroit disposables.
The Chevy Chevette
Yes, the Vega was a contender but they didn't build enough of those to
fill salvage yards like the Chevette. Most of the Pintos burned.
We did a floor-up restoration of a 67 Camaro during the late 80's and
I was frequenting a couple of local salvage yards for pieces. It
dawned on me that there was an enormous number of Chevettes in these
yards. I started looking at a few because the bodies and interiors on
many looked pretty good. I was surprised at the number of them with
odometer readings in the 40-50K range.
I mentioned it to one of the salvage yard guys. "Hell we could run
this place on Chevettes. They are the ultimate throw-away car. You
buy one and it's worn out in 50,000 miles. Then we get it and use it
to keep the other poor bastards going for a few miles. Love 'em!"
On Jan 31, 7:18=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:03:55 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> > <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
> >>I still recall fondly standing INSIDE the engine compartment of an old
> >>F150 straight 6 doing a complete tuneup including valve adjustments...
>
> > The bad news was that you *had* to do frequent tune-ups. =A0Good
> > riddance coils and points!
>
> True, about every 12,000 miles but it typically took less time to change =
the
> plugs, points, condenser, and rotor than it did to change the oil. =A0Tha=
t
> said, my 97 Chevy pu had close to 80K when I traded it in and it had the
> original plugs.
They'd go on my cars on *the* nastiest day of the year (33F and
rain). No thanks.
I think my Ranger still has its original plugs (9 years/90Kmi). I
know it has its original wires.
OTOH, I had a '93 Eagle Vision that would throw a set of wires every
year. The book said it was a 3-hour job but I got it down to an hour
clock time by making my own tools to route the wires under the intake
manifold and fuel rail. A set of wires was $100 from Chrysler and the
after-market wires did not fit. It turns out that the label on the
engine had the wrong spark gap listed. It was only off by a factor of
two. :-(
On Feb 1, 9:02=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 7:18=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:03:55 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> > > <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
> > >>I still recall fondly standing INSIDE the engine compartment of an ol=
d
> > >>F150 straight 6 doing a complete tuneup including valve adjustments..=
.
>
> > > The bad news was that you *had* to do frequent tune-ups. =A0Good
> > > riddance coils and points!
>
> > True, about every 12,000 miles but it typically took less time to chang=
e the
> > plugs, points, condenser, and rotor than it did to change the oil. =A0T=
hat
> > said, my 97 Chevy pu had close to 80K when I traded it in and it had th=
e
> > original plugs.
>
> They'd go on my cars on *the* nastiest day of the year (33F and
> rain). =A0No thanks.
> I think my Ranger still has its original plugs (9 years/90Kmi). =A0I
> know it has its original wires.
33F and rain is the nastiest day of the year!!!
Holy crap. What is your address in heaven?
RonB
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> RonB wrote:
>> CNN: "Toyota's president Akio Toyoda apologized for the gas pedal
>> problems that have forced the recall of millions of vehicles, Japanese
>> media reported."
>>
>> What a difference from the approach other auto manufacturer's have
>> used when faced with a major problem. Apologize. The norm has been
>> deny it. deny it. deny it. Then grudgingly fix it while continuing
>> to deny a real problem.
>
> Well, I'd say it's not been much different afaict. They started out w/
> "no problem" and "driver error" and blaming floor mats for the problem and
> have only now come out since it's clear that it's going to be a major
> financial hit so they're trying to recover.
>
> That said, the congresscritters trying to make hay w/ hearings, etc., are
> entirely out of line, too...
The first year that the Ford Focus was manufactured there were 156 campaign
notices that the dealers had to deal with. Do you recall the last Toyota
recall? GM had an ongoing repair campaign on most any one of their vehicles
when I worked for an Oldsmobile dealer for 10 years in the lat 70's and
80's. I don't recall Ford ever admitting that their older Mustangs and
Pintos were bombs on wheels and were likely to explode when rear ended. The
later Crown Victoria's had the problem also. Police departments dropped
them like used condo__.
As far as Toyota claiming driver error, I don't recall that being said but
would agree that drive error is what results in a majority of the accidents
caused by a stuck accelerator pedal. If you are driving you should know how
to stop the vehicle, simply turning off the ignition, shifting into neutral,
or pushing in on the clutch should not be that much of a request to stop a
vehicle. And there is the brake pedal.. Tests shown in Car and Driver
indicate that a V6 Camry requires 16 additional feet to stop from 70 mph
under full throttle when braking than with no throttle, about 88 additional
feet when braking from 100 mph. IIRC drivers training instructs the many
ways to stop a vehicle should something like this happen.
I currently have an affected 07 Tundra and I am concerned but not in any way
fearful of driving the vehicle or think that Toyota should be doing anything
different than what they are currently doing to solve the problem. The
problem was brought to my attention by Toyota late last summer.
I think the question should be what is CTI, the American maker of the pedal,
doing to do to help resolve the problem.
"Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:17:36 -0500, Michael Kenefick
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> My 2006 Tundra was recalled in 2007. The Toyota dealer notified me
> and replaced the front ball joints. And then, sometimes the Toyota
> dealer can be a pest, trying me to trade for a newer model. Geez, my
> truck is barely broken in at 16,000 miles. Overall, it's a good
> solid truck and hope to take it to well-over 100,000 miles.
I hope you out last the truck... At the rate you are going you will have it
25 years before you reach 100K.
If at the
> time I was truck shopping, if I did not cut a good deal, I was ready
> to look at Ford 150s where there are more choices and high demand. I
> think Ford makes a good truck, certainly better looking than a Tundra.
Ford certainly makes a good looking truck but IMHO they are spending more on
looks than dependability and that is probably the single reason why the
imports are starting to gain on the big truck market. I absolutely hated
the looks of the new 07 Tundras. I shopped Ford, GMC, Chevrolet and Toyota.
I have only owned GM trucks and was totally turned off by both GMC and
Chevrolet. The backs seats were to up right to be comfortable and the back
doors wiggled visibly on the highway. Our 97 Chevy was great but my wife
could not get comfortable in the 07 GM trucks. I had about decided to not
buy a new truck but went ahead and test drove the Tundra. I almost knew
before getting out of the lot for a test drive that I would probably but the
Tundra, it felt that much better. I wanted quality for a change, so far no
disappointment.
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:300120102103557945%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
> <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps, but I wouldn't trade my Tundra for ten F-series trucks. I ran
>> my old truck ('90 F-150) for 17 years and was absolutely astounded
>> when I drove a new one. What a difference! Then I tried the Tacoma
>> (not bad, but hated the wimpy brake system) and the Tundra. I
>> instantly fell head over heels for the Tundra. It didn't hurt that the
>> vehicle I bought was $14k less than the equivalent F-series.
>
> Yabbut...
>
> I still recall fondly standing INSIDE the engine compartment of an old
> F150 straight 6 doing a complete tuneup including valve adjustments...
>
> Deep sigh...
Yabbut they have not built them that way for a few decades now.
"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:03:55 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>>I still recall fondly standing INSIDE the engine compartment of an old
>>F150 straight 6 doing a complete tuneup including valve adjustments...
>
> The bad news was that you *had* to do frequent tune-ups. Good
> riddance coils and points!
True, about every 12,000 miles but it typically took less time to change the
plugs, points, condenser, and rotor than it did to change the oil. That
said, my 97 Chevy pu had close to 80K when I traded it in and it had the
original plugs.
Toyota has been denying it. They had a smaller, quieter recall last
year for a related issue. Supposedly the rugs were catching the gas
petals.
Isn't that president supposed to commit harry carry after a major
embarrassment such as this?
RonB wrote:
> CNN: "Toyota's president Akio Toyoda apologized for the gas pedal
> problems that have forced the recall of millions of vehicles, Japanese
> media reported."
>
> What a difference from the approach other auto manufacturer's have
> used when faced with a major problem. Apologize. The norm has been
> deny it. deny it. deny it. Then grudgingly fix it while continuing
> to deny a real problem.
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Snip\\
>
> Dittoes on all the concepts and realizations you stated above, 'cept
> I've never owned (and never will) a Chebby truck. <insert Robatoy
> Raspberry here for GM>
I did not have the incentive to continure with GM trucks this time
aroundalthough the GMC I looked at was offered at $5k less than the Toyota.
My employeer sold GMC when I bought GMC, great price, and I looked better
buying what I sold, so to speak. My 97 Chevy was $3500. below dealer
invoice using my bank of credit dollars on my GM CCard.
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> RonB wrote:
>> CNN: "Toyota's president Akio Toyoda apologized for the gas pedal
>> problems that have forced the recall of millions of vehicles, Japanese
>> media reported."
>>
>> What a difference from the approach other auto manufacturer's have
>> used when faced with a major problem. Apologize. The norm has been
>> deny it. deny it. deny it. Then grudgingly fix it while continuing
>> to deny a real problem.
>
> Well, I'd say it's not been much different afaict. They started out w/
> "no problem" and "driver error" and blaming floor mats for the problem and
> have only now come out since it's clear that it's going to be a major
> financial hit so they're trying to recover.
Actually the floor mats wher part of the problem the rest of the problem is
the American company made parts.
>
> That said, the congresscritters trying to make hay w/ hearings, etc., are
> entirely out of line, too...
>
> --
On Jan 30, 8:25=A0am, Phisherman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:11:59 -0800 (PST), RonB <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >CNN: =A0"Toyota's president Akio Toyoda apologized for the gas pedal
> >problems that have forced the recall of millions of vehicles, Japanese
> >media reported."
>
> >What a difference from the approach other auto manufacturer's have
> >used when faced with a major problem. =A0Apologize. =A0 The norm has bee=
n
> >deny it. =A0deny it. deny it. =A0Then grudgingly fix it while continuing
> >to deny a real problem.
>
> My first car was a Honda Civic. =A0Honda recalled the fenders because
> mud collected up underneath and rusted the fender out from the inside.
> They replaced my fenders, no charge. =A0They stood by their product and
> when I needed a new car I remembered what happened and my new car was
> another Honda. =A0 Perhaps American auto-makers do not stand behind
> their product like others which explains why Japanese owners are so
> loyal to their brand.
Yep. Japan gained their foothold in the American auto industry during
the early to mid 1970's when Detroit started building disposable
cars. During that period we owned a 71 Chevy Vega GT and I needn't
say anything more (Except it was Motor Trend's car of the year -
Yipee!). After a combined 6 months in the shop waiting for parts and
repairs, we traded for a new 74 Cutlass Supreme. In four months we
started seeing rust around the opera windows. GM "fixed" that and it
immediately restarted. The electrical system was a mess. When we got
rid of it three years later the entire car was rusted out. The trunk
latch was held in place with bondo. That is when we traded for a
Volvo which we drove 130K miles and turned it over to our daughter for
a college car and she put 40+K more on it before trade. When Volvo
out priced us (2 cars later) we turned to Hondas, and our current
160,000 mile Toyota. Other than normal maintenance (shocks, brakes,
etc) the Toyota has NEVER BEEN REPAIRED! In fairness, our other
vehicle, a Chevy Duramax has also been very good at 42K miles. Also,
by comparison, we slipped an '86 Blazer in with the Volvos and drove
it for 8-10 years. But it saw three radiators, a steering sector, two
water pumps, etc, etc, etc.
RonB
On Jan 30, 2:04=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 30, 1:19=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > Leon wrote:
> > > ...
>
> > >> I think the question should be what is CTI, the American maker of th=
e
> > >> pedal, doing to do to help resolve the problem.
>
> > > AFAICT, building to spec on the originals and shipping a redesigned
> > > part...
>
> > It would seem odd that the the manufacturers that used CTI and are stop=
ping
> > production =A0would submit defective spec's to CTI to start with. =A0Pe=
rhaps QC
> > was a problem, from what I understand the pedals wore or broke prematur=
ely.
>
> I know I'm going to get raspberries from many here, but this IS my
> theory......
> Toyota has decided to allow GM to regain some of their foothold in the
> market. Those guys have been in bed together for quite a long time and
> many projects (Tundra, Matrix/Vibe etc...) Industry insiders tell me
> that gas pedal issue is nowhere near the catastrophe Toyota has made
> it out to be. I think they are helping out their GM buddies. Call me
> crazy.
Let's see. How do you spell a raspberry:
"Ppppppfffffffftttttttt!!!!!
Did I do good? :^)
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CNN: "Toyota's president Akio Toyoda apologized for the gas pedal
> problems that have forced the recall of millions of vehicles, Japanese
> media reported."
>
> What a difference from the approach other auto manufacturer's have
> used when faced with a major problem. Apologize. The norm has been
> deny it. deny it. deny it. Then grudgingly fix it while continuing
> to deny a real problem.
Ford in China too has suspended production and sales of their larger
vehicles. Apparently CTI located in Elkhart IN is the maker of the pedals
with the problems. I would not rule out other auto makers in the near
future. Apparently the Pontiac Vibe has the pedal also.
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:040220101822126674%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Bruce
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:12:23 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote
>> (in article <[email protected]>):
>>
>> >> I think my brother has my old timing light & dwell meter.
>> >
>> > I still have both of mine (dad's old strobe timing light and vacuum
>> > meter), and they have about 1/4" of dust on them now, under my toolbox
>> > in a metal case, my dwellmeter in the bottom of the box.
>>
>> Vacuum gauges are still very handy for engine testing....
>>
>
> But as there's no way for a home mechanic to REPAIR an engine, why
> bother?
Oh stop. I still repair all of my vehicles. The oldest I own is my truck
(and it's an antique...) which is a '94. Our two other cars are 04 and 06.
I have not sent a car in for service (unless I just did not feel like doing
the work), for as long as I have owned vehicles.
True - today's vehicles take a different sort of repair effort than the old
days of throwing in a set of points and setting the dwell angle, but they
are very repairable in the home garage - without tens of thousands of
dollars worth of equipment.
Repair an engine? Of course you can. Why would you say you can't? Get
past the electronics of today's cars and what is so intimidating about the
engine?
The upside is you really do not have to repair much on today's engines.
They really do run quite reliably for 200,000 miles. Yeah - there are
ancillary systems that support the engine that you have to mess with from
time to time, but those are very much within the reach of any home mechanic
that is any kind of mechanic at all.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Jan 30, 3:18=A0pm, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2:04=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 1:19=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > > Leon wrote:
> > > > ...
>
> > > >> I think the question should be what is CTI, the American maker of =
the
> > > >> pedal, doing to do to help resolve the problem.
>
> > > > AFAICT, building to spec on the originals and shipping a redesigned
> > > > part...
>
> > > It would seem odd that the the manufacturers that used CTI and are st=
opping
> > > production =A0would submit defective spec's to CTI to start with. =A0=
Perhaps QC
> > > was a problem, from what I understand the pedals wore or broke premat=
urely.
>
> > I know I'm going to get raspberries from many here, but this IS my
> > theory......
> > Toyota has decided to allow GM to regain some of their foothold in the
> > market. Those guys have been in bed together for quite a long time and
> > many projects (Tundra, Matrix/Vibe etc...) Industry insiders tell me
> > that gas pedal issue is nowhere near the catastrophe Toyota has made
> > it out to be. I think they are helping out their GM buddies. Call me
> > crazy.
>
> Let's see. =A0How do you spell a raspberry:
>
> "Ppppppfffffffftttttttt!!!!!
>
> Did I do good? =A0 :^)
Not enough spray....LOL
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:26:22 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:04:14 -0800, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> Industry insiders tell me that
>> gas pedal issue is nowhere near the catastrophe Toyota has made it out
>> to be.
>
>I came to the same conclusion. It was reported that the problem was
>gradual. The pedal progressively got "stickier" over time. In addition,
>it was said that the cause was friction between two parts of the linkage
>caused by condensation.
>
>Back when drivers knew how their cars worked and paid attention to things
>that changed, they (or at least I) would have raised the hood, sprayed on
>a little WD-40, and repeated as necessary :-).
But the part is apparently enclosed. Some word out about a "fix" being
the insertion of a metal shim to provide clearance on vehicles "in the
field".
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:55467b5b-976f-493f-b1c9-4910a79e6ef4@k41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
I know I'm going to get raspberries from many here, but this IS my
theory......
Toyota has decided to allow GM to regain some of their foothold in the
market. Those guys have been in bed together for quite a long time and
many projects (Tundra, Matrix/Vibe etc...) Industry insiders tell me
that gas pedal issue is nowhere near the catastrophe Toyota has made
it out to be. I think they are helping out their GM buddies. Call me
crazy.
IMHO the big deal is that Toyota "has" a recall. When I was working for an
Olds dealer in 1986 we built a new dealership near a new Toyota dealership.
Dealers hold on to warranty replacement parts until a factory rep examines
them or gives the "ok" to scrap the parts. When we and the Toyota
dealership had been in our new locations for 3 or so months I visited the
Toyota parts manager and noticed his "warranty bin". IIRC there were 4 or 5
warranty parts, my warranty bin probably had 80-90 defective parts. Toyota
and GM have been in business together since the come back of the Nova in the
early 80's and the Geo car line that Chevrolet used to sell. AAMOF GM was
building one of the Honda models at one time, although it was sold directly
by Isuzu to Honda. Isuzu had the same vehicle but GM built that vehicle for
Isuzu. Long ago Isuzu built the small Chevy Luv pickups, some time in the
90's that reversed and GM built Isuzu pickups.
They are all in bed with each other in some way shape or form but it is not
news to hear about an American car builder with recall problems, it is out
of the ordinary for Toyota or Honda to have recalls at all.
IIRC this recall is supposed to cost Toyota $240,000,000.00. That is a mere
drop in the bucket compared to what a typical GM recall would cost. I would
speculate to say that GM probably would not have been in trouble at all had
it not spent so much money on correcting something that should not have been
a problem to start with.
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:46:26 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> scrawled the following:
>In article <[email protected]>,
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> How about a dwell meter and timing light??? Or a tachometer, even?????
>
>I think my brother has my old timing light & dwell meter.
I still have both of mine (dad's old strobe timing light and vacuum
meter), and they have about 1/4" of dust on them now, under my toolbox
in a metal case, my dwellmeter in the bottom of the box.
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
RonB wrote:
> CNN: "Toyota's president Akio Toyoda apologized for the gas pedal
> problems that have forced the recall of millions of vehicles, Japanese
> media reported."
>
> What a difference from the approach other auto manufacturer's have
> used when faced with a major problem. Apologize. The norm has been
> deny it. deny it. deny it. Then grudgingly fix it while continuing
> to deny a real problem.
Well, I'd say it's not been much different afaict. They started out w/
"no problem" and "driver error" and blaming floor mats for the problem
and have only now come out since it's clear that it's going to be a
major financial hit so they're trying to recover.
That said, the congresscritters trying to make hay w/ hearings, etc.,
are entirely out of line, too...
--
Leon wrote:
> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Leon wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> I think the question should be what is CTI, the American maker of the
>>> pedal, doing to do to help resolve the problem.
>> AFAICT, building to spec on the originals and shipping a redesigned
>> part...
>
>
> It would seem odd that the the manufacturers that used CTI and are stopping
> production would submit defective spec's to CTI to start with. Perhaps QC
> was a problem, from what I understand the pedals wore or broke prematurely.
Why? Things like that happen all the time.
What I've seen indicates they're a wire design, not purely mechanical
and (inferring) the failure is actually electronic. That's from news
reports which are, of course, inherently suspect on anything at all
technical as for getting the details right.
--
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:04:14 -0800, Robatoy wrote:
> Industry insiders tell me that
> gas pedal issue is nowhere near the catastrophe Toyota has made it out
> to be.
I came to the same conclusion. It was reported that the problem was
gradual. The pedal progressively got "stickier" over time. In addition,
it was said that the cause was friction between two parts of the linkage
caused by condensation.
Back when drivers knew how their cars worked and paid attention to things
that changed, they (or at least I) would have raised the hood, sprayed on
a little WD-40, and repeated as necessary :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
Larry Jaques wrote:
...
> Condensation (+ rust?) was apparently the culprit.
...
Don't know that we know...
Just got this from a embedded systems consulting guru whose newsletter I
subscribe to. His take at the moment--
> Toyota Brakes
> -------------
> Over the last few days I've received an avalanche of email from
> engineers asking for my take on the "software problem" in certain
> models of Toyotas that leads to runaway cars. The blogosphere is full
> of speculation about the problem as well, so much that Toyota's
> software seems to stand indicted, convicted and tried.
>
> I drive a Toyota Prius, a hybrid that has a regenerative braking
> system. I'm told the brake pedal is just an input to the computer
> with no connection to the hydraulic system. After 102,000 miles it
> has never failed to stop the car, but does feel very subtly "weird"
> very occasionally, like there's just something different, something
> unexpected in the feel of the braking system. But it has never felt
> unsafe.
>
> Engineers who design ABS brake systems tell me the software is
> qualified by highly experienced test drivers who zoom around the
> track and come back asking for a different "feel," which is something
> that can't be embodied in formal requirements. It seems
> software-controlled braking is designed to model the century-old
> manual controls, to give the driver the experience he is used to.
>
> My take on the current recall is: we know nothing. Software, floor
> mats, mechanical problems - it could be one of these, all of them, or
> something else entirely. When the NTSB sets off to investigate an
> airplane crash they leave DC with the most important tool that an
> investigator possesses: an open mind. As inquiring engineers it's fun
> to speculate about potential root causes of accidents, but that's
> simple speculation, nothing more.
>
> I do predict that if the software is involved, the engineering
> community will learn nothing useful from this experience. Surely
> details of the bug will remain shrouded in secrecy. My hope is that
> someday we open the books on bugs so, just as is true in civil
> engineering and the aviation industry, others can learn from our
> mistakes. Alas, for now that hope seems completely naive.
Excerpted from
> About The Embedded Muse
> -----------------------
> The Embedded Muse is a newsletter sent via email by Jack Ganssle.
> Send complaints, comments, and contributions to me at
> [email protected].
>
> The Embedded Muse is supported by The Ganssle Group, whose mission is
> to help embedded folks get better products to market faster.
... [snip] ...
--
Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
> news:040220101822126674%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>> In article <[email protected]>, Bruce
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:12:23 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote
>>> (in article <[email protected]>):
>>>
>>> >> I think my brother has my old timing light & dwell meter.
>>> >
>>> > I still have both of mine (dad's old strobe timing light and vacuum
>>> > meter), and they have about 1/4" of dust on them now, under my
toolbox
>>> > in a metal case, my dwellmeter in the bottom of the box.
>>>
>>> Vacuum gauges are still very handy for engine testing....
>>>
>>
>> But as there's no way for a home mechanic to REPAIR an engine, why
>> bother?
>
> Oh stop. I still repair all of my vehicles. The oldest I own is my
truck
> (and it's an antique...) which is a '94. Our two other cars are 04 and
> 06. I have not sent a car in for service (unless I just did not feel
like
> doing the work), for as long as I have owned vehicles.
>
> True - today's vehicles take a different sort of repair effort than the
> old days of throwing in a set of points and setting the dwell angle, but
> they are very repairable in the home garage - without tens of thousands
of
> dollars worth of equipment.
>
> Repair an engine? Of course you can. Why would you say you can't? Get
> past the electronics of today's cars and what is so intimidating about
the
> engine?
>
> The upside is you really do not have to repair much on today's engines.
> They really do run quite reliably for 200,000 miles. Yeah - there are
> ancillary systems that support the engine that you have to mess with
from
> time to time, but those are very much within the reach of any home
> mechanic that is any kind of mechanic at all.
>
>
That's why I enjoy my old 88 ford F-350 Flatbed, work truck. Easy to work
on and all kinds of room under the hood and it carries everything I need
for my line of work. Just replaced the engine a few months back and it
runs like a champ. 460 gets bad gas mileage but I figure if gas goes to
10.00 gallon I'm still a head of the game. No Truck Payments!
--
You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK !
Mandriva 2010 using KDE 4.3
Website: www.rentmyhusband.biz
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:24:06 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>THIS is 'good'.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWGn6_EH2gM
No, Toy. That's just downright SCARY!
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:53:05 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, krw
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:03:55 -0600, Dave Balderstone
>> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
>> ><novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Perhaps, but I wouldn't trade my Tundra for ten F-series trucks. I ran
>> >> my old truck ('90 F-150) for 17 years and was absolutely astounded
>> >> when I drove a new one. What a difference! Then I tried the Tacoma
>> >> (not bad, but hated the wimpy brake system) and the Tundra. I
>> >> instantly fell head over heels for the Tundra. It didn't hurt that the
>> >> vehicle I bought was $14k less than the equivalent F-series.
>> >
>> >Yabbut...
>> >
>> >I still recall fondly standing INSIDE the engine compartment of an old
>> >F150 straight 6 doing a complete tuneup including valve adjustments...
>>
>> The bad news was that you *had* to do frequent tune-ups. Good
>> riddance coils and points!
>
>Anyone want to buy a used points file?
>
>;-)
How about a dwell meter and timing light??? Or a tachometer, even?????
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:11:59 -0800 (PST), RonB <[email protected]>
wrote:
>CNN: "Toyota's president Akio Toyoda apologized for the gas pedal
>problems that have forced the recall of millions of vehicles, Japanese
>media reported."
>
>What a difference from the approach other auto manufacturer's have
>used when faced with a major problem. Apologize. The norm has been
>deny it. deny it. deny it. Then grudgingly fix it while continuing
>to deny a real problem.
My first car was a Honda Civic. Honda recalled the fenders because
mud collected up underneath and rusted the fender out from the inside.
They replaced my fenders, no charge. They stood by their product and
when I needed a new car I remembered what happened and my new car was
another Honda. Perhaps American auto-makers do not stand behind
their product like others which explains why Japanese owners are so
loyal to their brand.
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:32:51 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Michael Kenefick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Toyota has been denying it. They had a smaller, quieter recall last year
>> for a related issue. Supposedly the rugs were catching the gas petals.
>
>
>How have they been denying it???? I was informed by Toyota last year of the
>problem as was all of the other owners with affected cars. Do you own an
>affected Toyota? Because the recall has not made the news does tham make
>Toyota quilty of denying?
Toyota denying it? 2.4 million vehicles being recalled DID make the
news, guys. I got my notice, too, but my pedal has 2.5" of clearance
from my floor mat so it wasn't a life-threatener. We'll see what
comes of it. My throttle feel hasn't changed in 2 years, and that's
something I would have noticed.
>All of the auto makers have campaign recalls on going most all of the time,
>that is not news.
Yes it is. It's bad news, every time, to somebody.
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> That said, my 97 Chevy pu had close to 80K when I traded it in and it had
>> the original plugs.
> --------------------------
> Which these days are rated for 100,000 miles.
They were in 97 also... Platinum plugs. Oddly Toyota recomends at 30K
IIRC.
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:03:55 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> scrawled the following:
>In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
><novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps, but I wouldn't trade my Tundra for ten F-series trucks. I ran
>> my old truck ('90 F-150) for 17 years and was absolutely astounded
>> when I drove a new one. What a difference! Then I tried the Tacoma
>> (not bad, but hated the wimpy brake system) and the Tundra. I
>> instantly fell head over heels for the Tundra. It didn't hurt that the
>> vehicle I bought was $14k less than the equivalent F-series.
>
>Yabbut...
>
>I still recall fondly standing INSIDE the engine compartment of an old
>F150 straight 6 doing a complete tuneup including valve adjustments...
>
>Deep sigh...
Ditto, next to my 312 V-8 on the '61 F-100, my very first truck.
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:09:06 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:17:36 -0500, Michael Kenefick
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> My 2006 Tundra was recalled in 2007. The Toyota dealer notified me
>> and replaced the front ball joints. And then, sometimes the Toyota
>> dealer can be a pest, trying me to trade for a newer model. Geez, my
>> truck is barely broken in at 16,000 miles. Overall, it's a good
>> solid truck and hope to take it to well-over 100,000 miles.
>
>I hope you out last the truck... At the rate you are going you will have it
>25 years before you reach 100K.
At 6k a year, my Tundra oughta outlast me, too.
>If at the
>> time I was truck shopping, if I did not cut a good deal, I was ready
>> to look at Ford 150s where there are more choices and high demand. I
>> think Ford makes a good truck, certainly better looking than a Tundra.
>
>Ford certainly makes a good looking truck but IMHO they are spending more on
>looks than dependability and that is probably the single reason why the
>imports are starting to gain on the big truck market. I absolutely hated
>the looks of the new 07 Tundras. I shopped Ford, GMC, Chevrolet and Toyota.
>I have only owned GM trucks and was totally turned off by both GMC and
>Chevrolet. The backs seats were to up right to be comfortable and the back
>doors wiggled visibly on the highway. Our 97 Chevy was great but my wife
>could not get comfortable in the 07 GM trucks. I had about decided to not
>buy a new truck but went ahead and test drove the Tundra. I almost knew
>before getting out of the lot for a test drive that I would probably but the
>Tundra, it felt that much better. I wanted quality for a change, so far no
>disappointment.
Dittoes on all the concepts and realizations you stated above, 'cept
I've never owned (and never will) a Chebby truck. <insert Robatoy
Raspberry here for GM>
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:03:55 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
><novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps, but I wouldn't trade my Tundra for ten F-series trucks. I ran
>> my old truck ('90 F-150) for 17 years and was absolutely astounded
>> when I drove a new one. What a difference! Then I tried the Tacoma
>> (not bad, but hated the wimpy brake system) and the Tundra. I
>> instantly fell head over heels for the Tundra. It didn't hurt that the
>> vehicle I bought was $14k less than the equivalent F-series.
>
>Yabbut...
>
>I still recall fondly standing INSIDE the engine compartment of an old
>F150 straight 6 doing a complete tuneup including valve adjustments...
The bad news was that you *had* to do frequent tune-ups. Good
riddance coils and points!