Yes this is on topic,
I would like to ask those of you who have work areas that are on some
form of concrete, what kind of shoes do you wear while there? Do you
use any kind of mats to stand on? Last, but not least are you flat
footed?
No I am not going to try to sell you something, just want to know what
I need to change to help my legs and back while standing in the shop.
Being 300lbs does not help, I know.
I have never really been able to say for sure that being flat footed
has been a problem for me, but I may need to look for different shoes
while standing for long periods of time in the work shop.
Thanks for your input!
Hey Swingman,
I probably went through 4 or 5 pair of Rockport Pro Walkers beginning in
about 1989. They look a lot like the Rockport World Tour Classic that you
mentioned. In 1996 I switched to the hiking shoe, low top. More
expensive but I could wear the soles out on the Pro Walkers in about 9
months walking on concrete all day and had them factory reconditioned. I am
on my 3rd pair of the Rockport hiking shoes in about 9 years. I am getting
about 3 times the mileage plus they are water proof. Great when working out
doors. Get them muddy and simply hose them off while you are wearing them.
I DO NOT do anything to take care of them except replace the shoe laces
about 3 times before I retire them. I "highly" recommend them over the
walking shoes. More comfortable also IMHO.
They come in a hi-top also.
Look here.
http://shop.rockport.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2010424&cp=1760345.1760378.1760399&parentPage=family
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" wrote in message
>> For about 18 years and standing on concrete I wear Rockport Hiking shoes.
>
> 6', 205 ... and my biggest problems are with a service connected knee
> injury, and the fact that I walk at least two miles _every_ day, rain or
> shine, knee be damned, before sun up.
>
> I wear Rockport World Tour Classic exclusively, both walking and in the
> shop.
>
> Own three pair, two of which I have added inserts on top of the regular
> inserts, and one pair, the brown suede version of the WTC, that are more
> comfortable without double inserts ... go figure.
>
> IOW, while all Rockport's are not created equal, at least for me, (the
> last
> batch, and most comfortable, are not made in China, but Vietnam, from
> whence
> the knee injury coincidentally originates ... there is some justice in
> this
> world) I still find them the most comfortable, all day shop shoe.
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 12/13/05
>
>
vdubbs wrote:
> Yes this is on topic,
>
> I would like to ask those of you who have work areas that are on some
> form of concrete, what kind of shoes do you wear while there? Do you
> use any kind of mats to stand on? Last, but not least are you flat
> footed?
>
> No I am not going to try to sell you something, just want to know what
> I need to change to help my legs and back while standing in the shop.
> Being 300lbs does not help, I know.
>
> I have never really been able to say for sure that being flat footed
> has been a problem for me, but I may need to look for different shoes
> while standing for long periods of time in the work shop.
>
> Thanks for your input!
Man, I feel your pain. My floor is wood, I'm not flat-footed, and I
only weigh 165, but I still have foot and back pain when I stand in the
shop for extended periods. I've tried walking shoes and running shoes,
but the best footwear I've found is lightweight hiking boots. My
favorites are Sierra Lites by Hi Tech. They won't break the bank at
only about $65 a pair. They have better arch support than either of
the others, and my back seems to hurt less too. I'm not sure how being
flat-footed would effect that equation.
DonkeyHody
"You may not always get what you pay for, but you always pay for what
you get."
I'll second the birkenstocks - no doubt the most comfortable
shoes/sandals I've ever tried (once they're broken in). They do make
shoes also, including hiking boots and safety shoes with steel toes -
they cost a lot, but worth it in my opinion, and you might find a deal
on ebay.
I haven't tried the anti-fatigue mat yet, but now that they're on sale
at Rockler, I'm going to very soon.
Andy
I have a couple different types of anti-fatigue mats in my shop and
they do help extend the amount of time I can stay on my feet. I
recommend them to anyone that do not have them and stand on concrete.
As for shoes, I have tried many different kinds of shoes and cheap
tennis shoes are by far the worst for me. I have a high dollar pair of
safety shoes that are great as long as you are moving(walking) and not
standing constantly. If I stand in them for extended periods, like
doing lathe work and such, my ankles and lower back just kill me and it
even lingers into the next day as well. I plan on going to a foot doc
in the near future just to be sure I don't have a foot problem coming
on. This last year it all has gotten worse. I know age has nothing to
do with it either.........LOL!! Just turn 40 last month, and compared
to some on here that is young by a long shot.
I will have to look into the Birkenstocks, my wife like to wear them.
I just would never thought about them as a shop shoe. Go figure!
I think that the problem needs to be tackled in a different way, though
shoes are not to be discounted, a lot of that I believe is marketing. I
think that flexibility and strength are the key factors in lower back
and leg pain. For three years I have done my best to attend a weekly
Pilates and yoga class. The Pilates concentrates on core strength and
the yoga on flexibility. All of my back issues have completely gone
away once I started on this path. I am 45 years old, while this is not
old, it is old enough to start having these problems.
I am pretty sure that if the hamstrings are flexible and the
stomach/core is strong then shoes will not be quite as critical. I hope
I did not offend anyone, I am usually a lurker, but I truly feel
strongly about this. As we get older and the years of sitting start
effecting us more all of these things start to take their toll. I am
not the great all knowing one, but have just found that this works for
me and hopefully for someone else also.
thanks.
mike wrote:
> For three years I have done my best to attend a weekly
> Pilates and yoga class. The Pilates concentrates on core strength and
> the yoga on flexibility. All of my back issues have completely gone
> away once I started on this path. I am 45 years old,
>
> I am pretty sure that if the hamstrings are flexible and the
> stomach/core is strong then shoes will not be quite as critical.
> I have just found that this works for
> me and hopefully for someone else also.
>
Yep,
In '94 I apparently tried to destroy my spinal cord. I was able to
recover without surgery. I lost 2 years, but I was able to do some
light work in limited amounts. I also weigh 165,, give or take 5lb.
Physical training is important to all of us. I slack off occasionally
and I can tell a difference in everything I do from the way I walk to
the way I feel when I sneeze. A back injury stays with you for the rest
of your life. I'm 40, doing much better than I was at 30.
I wear Wolverines, Wellingtons. I add arch support when I'm breaking
them in, and replace the supports annually. I wear one pair to work
every day. I've had them for 3 years now. Another pair waits in the
closet and goes with me on Sundays until they're broke-in.
Mats in the shop? Oh - Yeah, Imagine what a Kentucky boy uses for shop
mats. Coal mine conveyor belts. They're 4' wide and cut with a utility
knife. Stiff rubber with a fabric inner layer that makes them last
forever under foot traffic. Usually cheap too! Sometimes I can get them
for free in sections 3' to 12' long. Over 6' long and it's all I can do
to handle them by myself. That stuff is HEAVY. They make fantastic p-up
truck bed liners too.
Tom in KY, You've only got one back, when it's gone, well, you'd be
surprised what all else goes away with it!
Well, I am no light weight (265), and my feet and back tend to get
irritated when I stand at the lathe for long periods of time. I do have
some mats on the floor, and they help. I can't wear Birkenstocks
because of my foot shape, but New Balance makes shoes in the wide
sizes. I do a couple of things to help. I think posture is a big thing
in eliminating back pain. It is an effort because I don't think as much
about sucking in the old gut to impress the ladies as I used to.
Strengthening the stomach and back muscles will keep the back in line.
Having the lathe at the proper height is another big factor. If you
have to bend over at the waist to turn anything, that will put stress
on your back (most of us walk erect). Also, I wear pressure stockings.
Not the prescription type (yet) but the Dr. Scholls (I think)style.
They make a big difference on how your feet feel at the end of the day.
Some times I will take a break and hit the exercycle for a few minutes
to get tho blood flowing again. Tap your feet in time to the music.
Shift your weight back and forth. Oh yes, this year I will loose some
of those ghosts from Christmas Pasts.
robo hippy
My shop has a concrete floor, and it used to cause me some back and leg
problems. I started wearing some slip-on's from Lands End a few years
ago, and they have been great. Thier catalog no. is #09270-8AGX , and I
just ordered another pair for 29.50. The slip-on feature is especially
appreciated by my wife, since it makes it much more likely I'll take
them off when I come into the house.
Land's End offers some orthopedic inserts for various foot shapes, but
I've not tried them.
I've also been using a couple of the shock absorbing mats from
Woodcraft at my lathe and workbench, and they help as well.
Ron
Robatoy wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "vdubbs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Yes this is on topic,
>
> Darn tootin' it is on topic.
>
> If you don't look after your feet, you are not looking after your knees and back
> either.
**ALSO ON TOPIC** !!
Wear suspenders with that Normie looking toolbelt!! They distribute the
weight better.
And,, if y'ain't got no a$$, they help keep your tools up from your
ankles!! I've got just enough to hold my toolbelt all day, but only if
my suspenders give out.
Tom in KY, Yep, on topic, yep.
I've spent 34 years standing and walking on concrete and have found
Rockports or Red Wing Boots to be about the only footwear that will
allow me to walk away at the end of the shift without some form of pain
or discomfort. I've tried most shoes, boots and even water filled
insoles but Red Wings or Rockports have served me well.
Clifford Heath wrote:
> mike wrote:
> > I think that the problem needs to be tackled in a different way..
> > I am pretty sure that if the hamstrings
>
> Agree totally. I can't believe that these obese posters think
> that what they put *under* their feet will fix the problems
> they've caused by what they put *over* them.
>
> Go for a decent *fast* walk for an hour, 4-5 miles, a couple of
> times a week, your hammies and glutes will gain so much tone
> they'll hold your pelvis upright and suck your gut in, stop it
> hanging forward and dragging your back further out of line. You
> might even lose some of that excess weight. I wasn't overweight,
> but when I started walking *hard* for one hour a week, I lost
> a Kg (2.2lb) *each week* for the first 8 weeks.
There you go. Just the thing for everyone. Unfortunately, after three
knee surgeries, none caused by obesity, and arthritis in my feet, a
fast walk is something I watch other people do. I'd guess some more of
us fat slobs who put too much "over" our feet are in the same boat,
whether from injury or illness.
What you can or can't believe has no relevance outside your own family.
Along with many others, I'll endorse Rockports. I have to admit
though, I'm not a huge fan of the style. The good news is that the
real secret to Rockport comfort is the Vibram soles. Vibram can be
found in other brands - my favorite is UGG. Good shoe repair places
also can put Vibram soles on almost any shoe.
Darrell Feltmate wrote:
> I hear you Charlie. There is something about reading a cook book that puts
> on 10 pounds these days. I can not even blame it on my wife (first and only,
> I hope), I do the cooking. The old hair seems a bit grayer too. Funny, it
> does not appear to have anything to do with footwear. I am a little envious
> over folks who have enough time in a work shop to worry about it hurting a
> back, but not envious enough to have back pain.
>
I wish my shop time was invested in building things more often than
cleaning and shooting photos.
Right now, I'm wearing a pair of slip-on $30 LL Bean shoes, with VA
prescribed orthotic inserts. My back has never been a shop problem, but
my feet and knees can make up for that with any other footwear. I'm
supposed to be getting some orthotic shoes in a week or 10 days.
Probably combine those with the inserts and see what happens.
Charlie Self wrote:
> Darrell Feltmate wrote:
> > I hear you Charlie. There is something about reading a cook book that puts
> > on 10 pounds these days. I can not even blame it on my wife (first and only,
> > I hope), I do the cooking. The old hair seems a bit grayer too. Funny, it
> > does not appear to have anything to do with footwear. I am a little envious
> > over folks who have enough time in a work shop to worry about it hurting a
> > back, but not envious enough to have back pain.
> >
>
> I wish my shop time was invested in building things more often than
> cleaning and shooting photos.
>
> Right now, I'm wearing a pair of slip-on $30 LL Bean shoes, with VA
> prescribed orthotic inserts. My back has never been a shop problem, but
> my feet and knees can make up for that with any other footwear. I'm
> supposed to be getting some orthotic shoes in a week or 10 days.
> Probably combine those with the inserts and see what happens.
This has been a good thread, mostly, I now have some things to look
into and some I have tried already.
I fly a desk as my vocation as an IT administrator and sitting on my
arse eating bonbons all day does nothing for my school girl figure.
This I do know does nothing for my health, but 30 years of putting it
on will not drop off overnight by walking 10 miles daily with the wrong
shoes on.
Thanks Folks for the useful info.
Very interesting all your comments. I understand that some of you have
foot problems or foot discomfort. A year ago I found these insoles
called shockblockers. They are very comfortable. I spend most of my
work time walking on concrete floors and these insoles have helped me a
lot. I thought you may be interested to learn about these shock
absorbing insoles.
For more information, here's the link the site:
www.shockblockers.com
Cheers,
Josh
Very interesting all your comments. I understand that some of you have
foot problems or foot discomfort. A year ago I found these insoles
called shockblockers. They are very comfortable. I spend most of my
work time walking on concrete floors and these insoles have helped me a
lot. I thought you may be interested to learn about these shock
absorbing insoles.
For more information, here's the link the site:
www.shockblockers.com
Cheers,
Josh
Very interesting all your comments. I understand that some of you have
foot problems or foot discomfort. A year ago I found these insoles
called shockblockers. They are very comfortable. I spend most of my
work time walking on concrete floors and these insoles have helped me a
lot. I thought you may be interested to learn about these shock
absorbing insoles.
For more information, here's the link the site:
www.shockblockers.com
Cheers,
Josh
Very interesting all your comments. I understand that some of you have
foot problems or foot discomfort. A year ago I found these insoles
called shockblockers. They are very comfortable. I spend most of my
work time walking on concrete floors and these insoles have helped me a
lot. I thought you may be interested to learn about these shock
absorbing insoles.
For more information, here's the link the site:
www.shockblockers.com
Cheers,
Josh
Very interesting all your comments. I understand that some of you have
foot problems or foot discomfort. A year ago I found these insoles
called shockblockers. They are very comfortable. I spend most of my
work time walking on concrete floors and these insoles have helped me a
lot. I thought you may be interested to learn about these shock
absorbing insoles.
For more information, here's the link the site:
www.shockblockers.com
Cheers,
Josh
Very interesting all your comments. I understand that some of you have
foot problems or foot discomfort. A year ago I found these insoles
called shockblockers. They are very comfortable. I spend most of my
work time walking on concrete floors and these insoles have helped me a
lot. I thought you may be interested to learn about these shock
absorbing insoles.
For more information, here's the link the site:
www.shockblockers.com
Cheers,
Josh
Barry N. Turner wrote:
> Has anyone tried "Crocs"? Injection molded sandals?
>
> Barry
>
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%[email protected]...
> > Hey Swingman,
> >
> > I probably went through 4 or 5 pair of Rockport Pro Walkers beginning in
> > about 1989. They look a lot like the Rockport World Tour Classic that you
> > mentioned. In 1996 I switched to the hiking shoe, low top. More
> > expensive but I could wear the soles out on the Pro Walkers in about 9
> > months walking on concrete all day and had them factory reconditioned. I
> > am on my 3rd pair of the Rockport hiking shoes in about 9 years. I am
> > getting about 3 times the mileage plus they are water proof. Great when
> > working out doors. Get them muddy and simply hose them off while you are
> > wearing them. I DO NOT do anything to take care of them except replace the
> > shoe laces about 3 times before I retire them. I "highly" recommend them
> > over the walking shoes. More comfortable also IMHO.
> > They come in a hi-top also.
> >
> > Look here.
> >
> > http://shop.rockport.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2010424&cp=1760345.1760378.1760399&parentPage=family
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> "Leon" wrote in message
> >>> For about 18 years and standing on concrete I wear Rockport Hiking
> >>> shoes.
> >>
> >> 6', 205 ... and my biggest problems are with a service connected knee
> >> injury, and the fact that I walk at least two miles _every_ day, rain or
> >> shine, knee be damned, before sun up.
> >>
> >> I wear Rockport World Tour Classic exclusively, both walking and in the
> >> shop.
> >>
> >> Own three pair, two of which I have added inserts on top of the regular
> >> inserts, and one pair, the brown suede version of the WTC, that are more
> >> comfortable without double inserts ... go figure.
> >>
> >> IOW, while all Rockport's are not created equal, at least for me, (the
> >> last
> >> batch, and most comfortable, are not made in China, but Vietnam, from
> >> whence
> >> the knee injury coincidentally originates ... there is some justice in
> >> this
> >> world) I still find them the most comfortable, all day shop shoe.
> >>
> >> --
> >> www.e-woodshop.net
> >> Last update: 12/13/05
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
I will let you know about the crocs soon. Just bought a pair yesterday
and have not got to the shop to test run them.
Clifford Heath wrote:
> Charlie Self wrote:
> >>...after three
> > knee surgeries, none caused by obesity
>
> Yup, there's exceptions to every rule, of course. But there's no
> good reason that even a sedentary person should let themselves
> get to 300lb, though it's much easier if you can exercise.
I see the hook in that worm..........I am not bitting.
vdubbs wrote:
> I have never really been able to say for sure that being flat footed
> has been a problem for me, but I may need to look for different shoes
> while standing for long periods of time in the work shop.
Look up "ripple sole" shoes. Used by mailmen. I think Mason Shoes
still makes them, others may as well. I had a pair years ago when my
work required 8 hours of standing and I think they're great.
--
It's turtles, all the way down
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:43:59 -0600, "Barry N. Turner"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Has anyone tried "Crocs"? Injection molded sandals?
They're all the rage in hospitals among folks who rarely sit.
I always wondered if they were THAT comfortable and good, or if they
were easily sterilized.
Barry
I use cushoned floor mats. The are 2x4 ft.
Go to http://www.rocker.com search for floor mat.
They are on sale now for $10.00 each ( I stack them 2 deep in front of
the lathe).
Happy turning,
Mike
vdubbs wrote:
> Yes this is on topic,
>
> I would like to ask those of you who have work areas that are on some
> form of concrete, what kind of shoes do you wear while there? Do you
> use any kind of mats to stand on? Last, but not least are you flat
> footed?
>
> No I am not going to try to sell you something, just want to know what
> I need to change to help my legs and back while standing in the shop.
> Being 300lbs does not help, I know.
>
> I have never really been able to say for sure that being flat footed
> has been a problem for me, but I may need to look for different shoes
> while standing for long periods of time in the work shop.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
--
The greatest performance improvement occurs on the transition of from
the non-working state to the working state.
"DonkeyHody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> vdubbs wrote:
>> Yes this is on topic,
>>
>> I would like to ask those of you who have work areas that are on some
>> form of concrete, what kind of shoes do you wear while there? Do you
>> use any kind of mats to stand on? Last, but not least are you flat
>> footed?
>>
>> No I am not going to try to sell you something, just want to know what
>> I need to change to help my legs and back while standing in the shop.
>> Being 300lbs does not help, I know.
>>
>> I have never really been able to say for sure that being flat footed
>> has been a problem for me, but I may need to look for different shoes
>> while standing for long periods of time in the work shop.
>>
>> Thanks for your input!
>
> Man, I feel your pain. My floor is wood, I'm not flat-footed, and I
> only weigh 165, but I still have foot and back pain when I stand in the
> shop for extended periods. I've tried walking shoes and running shoes,
> but the best footwear I've found is lightweight hiking boots. My
> favorites are Sierra Lites by Hi Tech. They won't break the bank at
> only about $65 a pair. They have better arch support than either of
> the others, and my back seems to hurt less too. I'm not sure how being
> flat-footed would effect that equation.
Two flatfooted females in my family. Only thing they've found other than
the orthotics is Birkenstocks. Both of them are able to wear and walk in
them for extended periods. I do insist they break the "rules" of
Birkenstocks and shave their legs, though.
Keep a couple of different heel heights available, wear orthotics or
Birkenstocks - I have clogs - and if you're turning a long time, put a six
by six chunk where you can raise one foot on it while turning. Does wonders
for the back as it transfers the load.
Spina Bifeda, scoliosis, arthritis. That's what I deal with. I don't
generally stand at a work station for more than an hour without
bending and flexing (also called excersizing occasionaly) and I wear
deerskin slippers. Then I go sit down for a while and work up some
more steam. Most importantly, my router table is 42" tall and the
table saw is 37". I don't bend forward too much while I work.
Pete
mike wrote:
> I think that the problem needs to be tackled in a different way..
> I am pretty sure that if the hamstrings
Agree totally. I can't believe that these obese posters think
that what they put *under* their feet will fix the problems
they've caused by what they put *over* them.
Go for a decent *fast* walk for an hour, 4-5 miles, a couple of
times a week, your hammies and glutes will gain so much tone
they'll hold your pelvis upright and suck your gut in, stop it
hanging forward and dragging your back further out of line. You
might even lose some of that excess weight. I wasn't overweight,
but when I started walking *hard* for one hour a week, I lost
a Kg (2.2lb) *each week* for the first 8 weeks.
"Barry N. Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Has anyone tried "Crocs"? Injection molded sandals?
>
Not deliberately, but I have a pair for working in the garden that I
sometimes neglect to leave at the door when I slip into something less
dirty. They don't have the firm arch support, which would probably make a
difference after an hour or so.
"Ba r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:43:59 -0600, "Barry N. Turner"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Has anyone tried "Crocs"? Injection molded sandals?
>
> They're all the rage in hospitals among folks who rarely sit.
>
> I always wondered if they were THAT comfortable and good, or if they
> were easily sterilized.
>
Poor man's Birkis. I imagine it's more a monetary decision than comfort, as
I own both. Crocs have heel straps, too.
If you have ever worked much in the Emergency Department, you'd know that
washability is a highly desirable characteristic. Birkis have the insoles,
but they seldom get stained.
All my boots are stained, as well as my leather gloves, because I work the
ambulance. Dark, cold, blood and fluids. All you can do is spray the areas
of your clothing when you get to the lights and hope for the best.
On 1/11/2006 11:31 AM mike mumbled something about the following:
> I think that the problem needs to be tackled in a different way, though
> shoes are not to be discounted, a lot of that I believe is marketing. I
> think that flexibility and strength are the key factors in lower back
> and leg pain. For three years I have done my best to attend a weekly
> Pilates and yoga class. The Pilates concentrates on core strength and
> the yoga on flexibility. All of my back issues have completely gone
> away once I started on this path. I am 45 years old, while this is not
> old, it is old enough to start having these problems.
>
> I am pretty sure that if the hamstrings are flexible and the
> stomach/core is strong then shoes will not be quite as critical. I hope
> I did not offend anyone, I am usually a lurker, but I truly feel
> strongly about this. As we get older and the years of sitting start
> effecting us more all of these things start to take their toll. I am
> not the great all knowing one, but have just found that this works for
> me and hopefully for someone else also.
I'm 45 as well, but my back problems stem from much more than mere age.
20 years ago I had a 20% compression fracture of the anterior of L1
and some nerve damage between L4 and L5. Standing in one position, bent
over, or sitting in one position too long aggravates my back. Anything
that absorbs the shock when standing or walking (padded floors or padded
insoles) lessens any stress I feel on my back.
It's not always about strength and flexibility, other things factor in
as well. According to my doc, I'm not supposed to lift anything over 10
lbs for the last 20 years. I do it anyway, and I suffer for it at times.
--
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On 1/12/2006 1:51 PM Charlie Self mumbled something about the following:
> Clifford Heath wrote:
>> mike wrote:
>>> I think that the problem needs to be tackled in a different way..
>>> I am pretty sure that if the hamstrings
>> Agree totally. I can't believe that these obese posters think
>> that what they put *under* their feet will fix the problems
>> they've caused by what they put *over* them.
>>
>> Go for a decent *fast* walk for an hour, 4-5 miles, a couple of
>> times a week, your hammies and glutes will gain so much tone
>> they'll hold your pelvis upright and suck your gut in, stop it
>> hanging forward and dragging your back further out of line. You
>> might even lose some of that excess weight. I wasn't overweight,
>> but when I started walking *hard* for one hour a week, I lost
>> a Kg (2.2lb) *each week* for the first 8 weeks.
>
> There you go. Just the thing for everyone. Unfortunately, after three
> knee surgeries, none caused by obesity, and arthritis in my feet, a
> fast walk is something I watch other people do. I'd guess some more of
> us fat slobs who put too much "over" our feet are in the same boat,
> whether from injury or illness.
>
> What you can or can't believe has no relevance outside your own family.
>
Amen to that. Funny, how according to the new govt BMI standards, I'm
considered obese, but before I broke my back, I weighed exactly 20 lbs
less than I do now and a the flotation method of determining body fat
showed me at just under 8%. I was 6'0", 195 lbs, lifted weights daily
and ran 1-2 miles a day. And I did this with bad knees (hyper extended
one playing baseball when I was 17, smashed the other with a maul when I
was 16). Today, I'm 215 lbs (wife loves to cook, I've always loved to
eat), I'm still very active, but I can no longer lift weights or run
like I used to (knees have finally deteriorated to the point that even a
good fast walk hurts them).
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
> Ahh geez! I had a pair of ripple soles about 1953. I was the only kis in
> school wearing them. Later I was the first kid wearing Clarke's Desert
> Boots and it kinda made up for the ripple soles.
LOL ... I remember my Dad, who was in graduate school with a bunch of Ivy
Leaguers, decided I needed a pair of "white bucks" to be in style (up to
that point about the only thing I'd got from him was Sears brogans) ... damn
good thing I was an active boxer, otherwise I'd had to fight my way out of
the halls that first day.
I didn't get into the desert boots until college ... still like the look.
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On 11 Jan 2006 08:31:16 -0800, "mike" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I think that the problem needs to be tackled in a different way, though
>shoes are not to be discounted, a lot of that I believe is marketing. I
>think that flexibility and strength are the key factors in lower back
>and leg pain. For three years I have done my best to attend a weekly
>Pilates and yoga class. The Pilates concentrates on core strength and
>the yoga on flexibility. All of my back issues have completely gone
>away once I started on this path. I am 45 years old, while this is not
>old, it is old enough to start having these problems.
>
>I am pretty sure that if the hamstrings are flexible and the
>stomach/core is strong then shoes will not be quite as critical. I hope
>I did not offend anyone, I am usually a lurker, but I truly feel
>strongly about this. As we get older and the years of sitting start
>effecting us more all of these things start to take their toll. I am
>not the great all knowing one, but have just found that this works for
>me and hopefully for someone else also.
>
>thanks.
I don't know, I run an average of 22 miles per week (run three days in
a row, 3.5-4 miles then a day off) have been doing so for ten years.
Run competitively for my age (59) in local 5K and 10K races. Also do a
lot of situps to keep my ab in decent shape. Consider myself in good
shape. But my back and knees still bother me when I stand in the
shop all day.
My wife bought me some crocs for Christmas. She's had a pair for a
year and I've made fun of them that whole time and gave her a hard
time for buying me some. But, I have to admit they are very good to
stand in. I wear them in the shop when I am doing light work and not
likely to hurt myself. When doing heavy work I have been wearing
timberland hiking boots. The crocs do much better.
Frank
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is it me, or are those really ugly? Kinda cool in a Disney sort of way.
> Wearing those with some lederhosen, and no shirt, would make a statement
> at the hairdressers'.
>
Butt Ugly! And picture Chevy Chase in 'European Vacation'.
vdubbs wrote:
> Yes this is on topic,
>
> I would like to ask those of you who have work areas that are on some
> form of concrete, what kind of shoes do you wear while there? Do you
> use any kind of mats to stand on? Last, but not least are you flat
> footed?
>
> No I am not going to try to sell you something, just want to know what
> I need to change to help my legs and back while standing in the shop.
> Being 300lbs does not help, I know.
>
> I have never really been able to say for sure that being flat footed
> has been a problem for me, but I may need to look for different shoes
> while standing for long periods of time in the work shop.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
My Father's arches collapsed after working on a saw mill for many years
causing him to become flat footed.
This subsequently caused some disks in his spine to slip.
The remedy was to wear boots with a substantial heel and to have inserts
which he could place in his boots supporting his arches.
I always wear Blundstone boots, they have a good instep and and a heel.
A bit pricey at about $100.00 a pair but you get bloody good mileage out
of them.
A good thick rubber mat or duck boarding at work stations also helps heaps.
regards
John
"Barry N. Turner" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rockports don't do it for me........maybe too much of a load for 'em.
> Timberlands either. Eccos are much better, but more expensive. Latest
> offerings not made in Denmark anymore.
>
But they are still as comfortable. At least the Danes are doing some QC
befor putting the nam on them. DAGS for cheaper ECCOs. You have to pick
through stuff and buy whatever is available in your size, but the prices
can be as low as 50% of retail and sometimes even less. Here's a start:
<http://www.sierratradingpost.com/>
LD
"vdubbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes this is on topic,
>
> I would like to ask those of you who have work areas that are on some
> form of concrete, what kind of shoes do you wear while there? Do you
> use any kind of mats to stand on? Last, but not least are you flat
> footed?
>
> No I am not going to try to sell you something, just want to know what
> I need to change to help my legs and back while standing in the shop.
> Being 300lbs does not help, I know.
>
> I have never really been able to say for sure that being flat footed
> has been a problem for me, but I may need to look for different shoes
> while standing for long periods of time in the work shop.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
This thread is amazing. Folks you never hear from and long as a kid's
Christmas list. Still, it's great info and kinda fun to hear some of the
personal info on folks that you only know by posts on turning. At 63 and not
a computer dude I find this internet thing cool as it so quickly covers so
much of the world.
TomNie
I hear you Charlie. There is something about reading a cook book that puts
on 10 pounds these days. I can not even blame it on my wife (first and only,
I hope), I do the cooking. The old hair seems a bit grayer too. Funny, it
does not appear to have anything to do with footwear. I am a little envious
over folks who have enough time in a work shop to worry about it hurting a
back, but not envious enough to have back pain.
--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
www.aroundthewoods.com
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
<snip>
>
> Walking shoes and cross trainers are the best options when sneakers are
> your choice. Both have ample arch support. I haven't tried hiking boots,
> but will probably give that a shot.
Lightweight hiking boots are quite comfortable, but it's rare I
find a pair that actually fit. My feet are strange (wide with a
very high instep) and quite hard to fit.
> My wife is a teacher and recently started wearing Dansko shoes (clogs).
> She swears by these and currently has 3 pair. They are expensive, and
> have very few styles for men right now, so I haven't tried them. But if
> they help out a great deal, they are definitely worth the $130 or so.
Don't sound good in the snow. ;-)
> I'm a New Balance man, since I have to wear B width shoes. I can get
> cross trainers and basketball shoes in B width from New Balance. I had
> converted my wife to New Balance from Nike, but she thinks the Dansko
> shoes are much better.
NB is about the only brand I've found that really fit. The cross
trainers I'm wearing now are 12-6E. (I did say my feet were
strange ;-) Infortunately, NB only makes sneaker-like shoes. I
could use a new pair of boots but I can't even get my foot in most
brands, much less find a good fit.
> Since I'm only 30, back problems don't plague me yet. I do exercise
> often and have to agree with some of the other postings about
> strengthening your abs and lower back from exercise/weight training. You
> don't have to join a gym or throw around 100lb barbells, but ab and
> lower back exercises will do wonders for you.
I'm 50+, with knee and foot issues at times, but no back problems
(knock wood).
> I also use anti fatigue mats and have found them to help out in addition
> to proper footwear.
Gotta do that for the basement. Concrete floors are *hard* and
cold in the winter.
--
Keith
Springy things, eh? ;-)
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Very interesting all your comments. I understand that some of you have
> foot problems or foot discomfort. A year ago I found these insoles
> called shockblockers. They are very comfortable. I spend most of my
> work time walking on concrete floors and these insoles have helped me a
> lot. I thought you may be interested to learn about these shock
> absorbing insoles.
How long do they last?
> For more information, here's the link the site:
> www.shockblockers.com
I'm not sure they'd fit in any shoes I can wear. Maybe they'd work
in my old run-down knock-around NBs though. Interesting, but
pricey.
--
Keith
On 2006-01-14, Barry N. Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
> What a thread! We must be a bunch of shoe freaks!
>
> Barry
What about Smiths?
"Leon" wrote in message
> Look here.
>
>
http://shop.rockport.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2010424&cp=1760345.1760378.1760399&parentPage=family
Thanks for the link. I went to the Rockport store in the Galleria back in
early December and tried everything on, but stuck with the WTC's. I don't
think these were on the wall at the time, but I will definitely call them
today and see.
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> IOW, while all Rockport's are not created equal, at least for me, (the
> last batch, and most comfortable, are not made in China, but Vietnam,
> from whence the knee injury coincidentally originates ... there is
> some justice in this world) I still find them the most comfortable,
> all day shop shoe.
>
>
Maybe not justice, but definitely odd. I got my service connected knee in
England and so far the buggers haven't sent me any shoes. :o)
For about 18 years and standing on concrete I wear Rockport Hiking shoes.
"vdubbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes this is on topic,
>
> I would like to ask those of you who have work areas that are on some
> form of concrete, what kind of shoes do you wear while there? Do you
> use any kind of mats to stand on? Last, but not least are you flat
> footed?
>
> No I am not going to try to sell you something, just want to know what
> I need to change to help my legs and back while standing in the shop.
> Being 300lbs does not help, I know.
>
> I have never really been able to say for sure that being flat footed
> has been a problem for me, but I may need to look for different shoes
> while standing for long periods of time in the work shop.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I just ordered a pair from the Galleria store. They did not have them in
> the
> store, but they'll ship them to you by, dog sled? (5-10 days) for $5.50
> ...
> which still beats the hell out of _me_ having to go to the &%^& Galleria,
> which I only do with a figurative gun held to my head.
>
> Time will tell if you're right about the comfort ... if not, wanna buy a
> pair of 11W's in brown? ;)
Ohhhh.. I am a 11.5 M kinda guy. Besides did you not say that they would
ship them to you "meaning me"? LOL
Was the store cheaper than ordering on line?
$5.50 beats a trip to just about anywhere.
After 30 years as an electronic engineer and technical writer (read: desk
jockey), industry changes, downsizing, outsourcing, etc. forced me into a
career change which involves long hours walking and standing on concrete.
Foot pain and the associated complications led me to try quite a few
different shoes, some of which are mentioned in this thread, until I
discovered On the Clock II walking shoes by Reebok. I have a wide foot, and
find the 4E width most comfortable. In addition, I use Dr. Scholl's gel
insoles - after experimenting, I found two in each shoe yielded the best
results. I go through two or three sets of insoles over the life of the
shoe. Yeah, that's right - I'm gellin' like a felon - you want some melon?
I should also mention I've used orthotics for many years. I'm convinced I'd
be a cripple by now without them.
B.
"vdubbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes this is on topic,
>
> I would like to ask those of you who have work areas that are on some
> form of concrete, what kind of shoes do you wear while there? Do you
> use any kind of mats to stand on? Last, but not least are you flat
> footed?
>
> No I am not going to try to sell you something, just want to know what
> I need to change to help my legs and back while standing in the shop.
> Being 300lbs does not help, I know.
>
> I have never really been able to say for sure that being flat footed
> has been a problem for me, but I may need to look for different shoes
> while standing for long periods of time in the work shop.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" wrote in message
>
>> Look here.
>>
>>
> http://shop.rockport.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2010424&cp=1760345.1760378.1760399&parentPage=family
>
> Thanks for the link. I went to the Rockport store in the Galleria back in
> early December and tried everything on, but stuck with the WTC's. I don't
> think these were on the wall at the time, but I will definitely call them
> today and see.
I had to buy mine from the actual Rockport store also, the one that was in
First Colony mall. That was my last pair and that store closed about 4 or 5
years ago. I am about ready to buy another pair and no one had these on
line. You may have to buy them direct from Rockport. Actually when
comparing the online Rockport store to the other on line shoe stores, they
were cheaper. I'll have to look at the Galleria store also. Like most all
Rockport's, these shoes feel broke in 10 minutes and you can wear them all
day long immediately.
Oddly and another testament that the Chinese can build quality if instructed
to do so, these 4 year old shoes were made in China.
Rockports don't do it for me........maybe too much of a load for 'em.
Timberlands either. Eccos are much better, but more expensive. Latest
offerings not made in Denmark anymore.
Barry
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" wrote in message
>
>> Look here.
>>
>>
> http://shop.rockport.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2010424&cp=1760345.1760378.1760399&parentPage=family
>
> Thanks for the link. I went to the Rockport store in the Galleria back in
> early December and tried everything on, but stuck with the WTC's. I don't
> think these were on the wall at the time, but I will definitely call them
> today and see.
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 12/13/05
>
>
What a thread! We must be a bunch of shoe freaks!
Barry
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ATpxf.31970$sa4.10450@trnddc07...
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Is it me, or are those really ugly? Kinda cool in a Disney sort of way.
>> Wearing those with some lederhosen, and no shirt, would make a statement
>> at the hairdressers'.
>>
>
> Butt Ugly! And picture Chevy Chase in 'European Vacation'.
Has anyone tried "Crocs"? Injection molded sandals?
Barry
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> Hey Swingman,
>
> I probably went through 4 or 5 pair of Rockport Pro Walkers beginning in
> about 1989. They look a lot like the Rockport World Tour Classic that you
> mentioned. In 1996 I switched to the hiking shoe, low top. More
> expensive but I could wear the soles out on the Pro Walkers in about 9
> months walking on concrete all day and had them factory reconditioned. I
> am on my 3rd pair of the Rockport hiking shoes in about 9 years. I am
> getting about 3 times the mileage plus they are water proof. Great when
> working out doors. Get them muddy and simply hose them off while you are
> wearing them. I DO NOT do anything to take care of them except replace the
> shoe laces about 3 times before I retire them. I "highly" recommend them
> over the walking shoes. More comfortable also IMHO.
> They come in a hi-top also.
>
> Look here.
>
> http://shop.rockport.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2010424&cp=1760345.1760378.1760399&parentPage=family
>
>
>
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Leon" wrote in message
>>> For about 18 years and standing on concrete I wear Rockport Hiking
>>> shoes.
>>
>> 6', 205 ... and my biggest problems are with a service connected knee
>> injury, and the fact that I walk at least two miles _every_ day, rain or
>> shine, knee be damned, before sun up.
>>
>> I wear Rockport World Tour Classic exclusively, both walking and in the
>> shop.
>>
>> Own three pair, two of which I have added inserts on top of the regular
>> inserts, and one pair, the brown suede version of the WTC, that are more
>> comfortable without double inserts ... go figure.
>>
>> IOW, while all Rockport's are not created equal, at least for me, (the
>> last
>> batch, and most comfortable, are not made in China, but Vietnam, from
>> whence
>> the knee injury coincidentally originates ... there is some justice in
>> this
>> world) I still find them the most comfortable, all day shop shoe.
>>
>> --
>> www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 12/13/05
>>
>>
>
>
In article <[email protected]>,
"vdubbs" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes this is on topic,
Darn tootin' it is on topic.
If you don't look after your feet, you are not looking after your knees and back
either.
Dropping 70+ pounds helps too.
Doc Martin on the feet, with orthotics. Birkies around the house.
Anti fatigue matting in the shop.
In article <[email protected]>,
"TerryB" <[email protected]> wrote:
> A little google search and
> http://www.shoe-store.net/c/brands/id/108/style_id/140/mens/birkenstock/safety
> -toe-shoes.html
>
> Safety Birkenstocks..........
Is it me, or are those really ugly? Kinda cool in a Disney sort of way.
Wearing those with some lederhosen, and no shirt, would make a statement
at the hairdressers'.
I think the most important safety item, is to be in shape. In my case, I
shouldn't be throwing around 160-pound sheets of acrylic, unless I'm fit.
All I can tell you, is that through my medical-insurance coverage, I
have a leg up on the potential problems.
I have a whole new respect for the properly educated/trained physio- and
occupational therapists. My PT loves talking about his work. He works
with gymnasts and hockey-players and a couple of pro golfers. He
basically coaxed me out of retirement. "That's not retirement, that's
surrender!"
There is so much to learn in this (to me) brand new field.
Proper foot-wear is very important. Not just for safety, but for your
back and beyond.
After 56 years of ignorant and stubborn neglect, this dog has learned a
few new tricks. The transformation is blowing some of my friends away.
The absolute hardest part, is to shut-the-fuck up about it. <G>
I really, REALLY miss those hard Italian salamis though... man, I used
to love those. Flat Calabrese hot. Genoa.
i use rockport clogs
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xq/asp/base_no.74376/dept_id.L2~3184/qx/product.htm
in the glass shop that allow me to stand all day. the only problem i find is
when glass chips or hot solder falls down inside the shoes without me
noticing.
regards,
charlie
http://glassartists.org/chaniarts
"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11 Jan 2006 08:31:16 -0800, "mike" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I think that the problem needs to be tackled in a different way, though
>>shoes are not to be discounted, a lot of that I believe is marketing. I
>>think that flexibility and strength are the key factors in lower back
>>and leg pain. For three years I have done my best to attend a weekly
>>Pilates and yoga class. The Pilates concentrates on core strength and
>>the yoga on flexibility. All of my back issues have completely gone
>>away once I started on this path. I am 45 years old, while this is not
>>old, it is old enough to start having these problems.
>>
>>I am pretty sure that if the hamstrings are flexible and the
>>stomach/core is strong then shoes will not be quite as critical. I hope
>>I did not offend anyone, I am usually a lurker, but I truly feel
>>strongly about this. As we get older and the years of sitting start
>>effecting us more all of these things start to take their toll. I am
>>not the great all knowing one, but have just found that this works for
>>me and hopefully for someone else also.
>>
>>thanks.
>
>
> I don't know, I run an average of 22 miles per week (run three days in
> a row, 3.5-4 miles then a day off) have been doing so for ten years.
> Run competitively for my age (59) in local 5K and 10K races. Also do a
> lot of situps to keep my ab in decent shape. Consider myself in good
> shape. But my back and knees still bother me when I stand in the
> shop all day.
>
> My wife bought me some crocs for Christmas. She's had a pair for a
> year and I've made fun of them that whole time and gave her a hard
> time for buying me some. But, I have to admit they are very good to
> stand in. I wear them in the shop when I am doing light work and not
> likely to hurt myself. When doing heavy work I have been wearing
> timberland hiking boots. The crocs do much better.
>
> Frank
"Leon" wrote in message
>
> "Swingman" wrote in message
>
> > "Leon" wrote in message
> >
> >> Look here.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for the link. I went to the Rockport store in the Galleria back
in
> > early December and tried everything on, but stuck with the WTC's. I
don't
> > think these were on the wall at the time, but I will definitely call
them
> > today and see.
> years ago. I am about ready to buy another pair and no one had these on
> line. You may have to buy them direct from Rockport. Actually when
> comparing the online Rockport store to the other on line shoe stores, they
> were cheaper. I'll have to look at the Galleria store also.
I just ordered a pair from the Galleria store. They did not have them in the
store, but they'll ship them to you by, dog sled? (5-10 days) for $5.50 ...
which still beats the hell out of _me_ having to go to the &%^& Galleria,
which I only do with a figurative gun held to my head.
Time will tell if you're right about the comfort ... if not, wanna buy a
pair of 11W's in brown? ;)
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 12/13/05
"Tom Nie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Amen, Charlie.
>
> Lots of things are righteously correct until you get a bullet through an
> ankle, or pelvis broken in half, or emphyzema from smoking too many
> years - and a new wife who cooks great food.
>
> TomNie
>
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Clifford Heath wrote:
>>> mike wrote:
>>> > I think that the problem needs to be tackled in a different way..
>>> > I am pretty sure that if the hamstrings
>>>
>>> Agree totally. I can't believe that these obese posters think
>>> that what they put *under* their feet will fix the problems
>>> they've caused by what they put *over* them.
>>>
>>> Go for a decent *fast* walk for an hour, 4-5 miles, a couple of
>>> times a week, your hammies and glutes will gain so much tone
>>> they'll hold your pelvis upright and suck your gut in, stop it
>>> hanging forward and dragging your back further out of line. You
>>> might even lose some of that excess weight. I wasn't overweight,
>>> but when I started walking *hard* for one hour a week, I lost
>>> a Kg (2.2lb) *each week* for the first 8 weeks.
>>
>> There you go. Just the thing for everyone. Unfortunately, after three
>> knee surgeries, none caused by obesity, and arthritis in my feet, a
>> fast walk is something I watch other people do. I'd guess some more of
>> us fat slobs who put too much "over" our feet are in the same boat,
>> whether from injury or illness.
>>
>> What you can or can't believe has no relevance outside your own family.
>>
Oh, man. No bullet strikes, just too much time falling off of off-road
motorcycles, sometimes with the bike on top. Do that for 10-15 years, and
zing. Add in a genetic predisposition to arthritis, COPD (I quit smoking
nearly 17 years ago, about a decade later than was really helpful), and a
second wife, who, while not new, is one helluva country cook.
I haven't hit 300 yet, but I've come much too close at times, though I'm now
slowly--ever so slowly--backing off. But until I quit smoking, I still only
weighed about 210 or 215 at the most, and could still drop a pound or two by
missing a meal. These days, I gain weight at the thought of food.
vdubbs wrote:
> Yes this is on topic,
>
> I would like to ask those of you who have work areas that are on some
> form of concrete, what kind of shoes do you wear while there? Do you
> use any kind of mats to stand on? Last, but not least are you flat
> footed?
>
>
At 6-7, my biggest problem is lathe height. I haven't built up my lathe
high enough, so I take breaks to stretch and move around during turning.
I also have a bad ankle that collapses slightly due to a weakened joing
- I wear orthotics to alleviate that problem. Actually, both ankles are
bad, but that is due to trauma from multiple sprains from basketball -
which is OT.
As far as shoes go, I recommend that you never wear running shoes for
anything other than running. Running shoes are designed for running in
relatively straight lines. To achieve this design, they have little or
no arch support to make them lightweight. Since you generally don't run
in zig-zag motions, you don't need arch support. They have thick soles
or extra padding to help absorb the excessive impact on your feet, not
to provide comfort. So, standing around, or walking in running shoes
will cause aches in feet, knees, and backs. If running shoes work for
you, that's great, but there will be a time in your life when the lack
of arch support catches up to you.
Walking shoes and cross trainers are the best options when sneakers are
your choice. Both have ample arch support. I haven't tried hiking boots,
but will probably give that a shot.
My wife is a teacher and recently started wearing Dansko shoes (clogs).
She swears by these and currently has 3 pair. They are expensive, and
have very few styles for men right now, so I haven't tried them. But if
they help out a great deal, they are definitely worth the $130 or so.
I'm a New Balance man, since I have to wear B width shoes. I can get
cross trainers and basketball shoes in B width from New Balance. I had
converted my wife to New Balance from Nike, but she thinks the Dansko
shoes are much better.
Since I'm only 30, back problems don't plague me yet. I do exercise
often and have to agree with some of the other postings about
strengthening your abs and lower back from exercise/weight training. You
don't have to join a gym or throw around 100lb barbells, but ab and
lower back exercises will do wonders for you.
I also use anti fatigue mats and have found them to help out in addition
to proper footwear.
--
Brad Curfman
http://www.curfman.net
Leon (in [email protected]) said:
| For about 18 years and standing on concrete I wear Rockport Hiking
| shoes.
I've worn the same for the last three years. I weigh 150 and have flat
feet. I have 1/4" thick rubber pads in front of tools where I stand
for more than a half hour at a time - and the pads do make a
considerable difference.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html
From listening to previous comments........it seems that more than a few of
us need to make a New Year's Resolution..........(myself included, 275#
here)........that is to lose a little weight and get some exercise. As much
fun as turning is........it's not very strenuous and just doesn't burn many
calories.
Barry
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Clifford Heath wrote:
>> mike wrote:
>> > I think that the problem needs to be tackled in a different way..
>> > I am pretty sure that if the hamstrings
>>
>> Agree totally. I can't believe that these obese posters think
>> that what they put *under* their feet will fix the problems
>> they've caused by what they put *over* them.
>>
>> Go for a decent *fast* walk for an hour, 4-5 miles, a couple of
>> times a week, your hammies and glutes will gain so much tone
>> they'll hold your pelvis upright and suck your gut in, stop it
>> hanging forward and dragging your back further out of line. You
>> might even lose some of that excess weight. I wasn't overweight,
>> but when I started walking *hard* for one hour a week, I lost
>> a Kg (2.2lb) *each week* for the first 8 weeks.
>
> There you go. Just the thing for everyone. Unfortunately, after three
> knee surgeries, none caused by obesity, and arthritis in my feet, a
> fast walk is something I watch other people do. I'd guess some more of
> us fat slobs who put too much "over" our feet are in the same boat,
> whether from injury or illness.
>
> What you can or can't believe has no relevance outside your own family.
>
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:41:17 -0800, vdubbs wrote:
> No I am not going to try to sell you something, just want to know what I
> need to change to help my legs and back while standing in the shop. Being
> 300lbs does not help, I know.
>
I am on my feet on a concrete floor all day. Some standing, some walking,
some stooping. I wear Timberline / Caterpillar low-top shoes. They have a
steel toe and shank but are otherwise designed like regular sports shoe
styles ... rubber soles and a bit of leather here and there.
They tend to last me about 2 years or so for a cost of about $5 per toe /
year.
;-)
Bill
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:43:59 -0600, "Barry N. Turner"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Has anyone tried "Crocs"? Injection molded sandals?
>
>Barry
Yes, I like them. read my post above. Comfortable for standing long
times but do not offer enough protection if you drop a tool or board.
Frank
>
>
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:%[email protected]...
>> Hey Swingman,
>>
>> I probably went through 4 or 5 pair of Rockport Pro Walkers beginning in
>> about 1989. They look a lot like the Rockport World Tour Classic that you
>> mentioned. In 1996 I switched to the hiking shoe, low top. More
>> expensive but I could wear the soles out on the Pro Walkers in about 9
>> months walking on concrete all day and had them factory reconditioned. I
>> am on my 3rd pair of the Rockport hiking shoes in about 9 years. I am
>> getting about 3 times the mileage plus they are water proof. Great when
>> working out doors. Get them muddy and simply hose them off while you are
>> wearing them. I DO NOT do anything to take care of them except replace the
>> shoe laces about 3 times before I retire them. I "highly" recommend them
>> over the walking shoes. More comfortable also IMHO.
>> They come in a hi-top also.
>>
>> Look here.
>>
>> http://shop.rockport.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2010424&cp=1760345.1760378.1760399&parentPage=family
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Leon" wrote in message
>>>> For about 18 years and standing on concrete I wear Rockport Hiking
>>>> shoes.
>>>
>>> 6', 205 ... and my biggest problems are with a service connected knee
>>> injury, and the fact that I walk at least two miles _every_ day, rain or
>>> shine, knee be damned, before sun up.
>>>
>>> I wear Rockport World Tour Classic exclusively, both walking and in the
>>> shop.
>>>
>>> Own three pair, two of which I have added inserts on top of the regular
>>> inserts, and one pair, the brown suede version of the WTC, that are more
>>> comfortable without double inserts ... go figure.
>>>
>>> IOW, while all Rockport's are not created equal, at least for me, (the
>>> last
>>> batch, and most comfortable, are not made in China, but Vietnam, from
>>> whence
>>> the knee injury coincidentally originates ... there is some justice in
>>> this
>>> world) I still find them the most comfortable, all day shop shoe.
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.e-woodshop.net
>>> Last update: 12/13/05
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
"Leon" wrote in message
> For about 18 years and standing on concrete I wear Rockport Hiking shoes.
6', 205 ... and my biggest problems are with a service connected knee
injury, and the fact that I walk at least two miles _every_ day, rain or
shine, knee be damned, before sun up.
I wear Rockport World Tour Classic exclusively, both walking and in the
shop.
Own three pair, two of which I have added inserts on top of the regular
inserts, and one pair, the brown suede version of the WTC, that are more
comfortable without double inserts ... go figure.
IOW, while all Rockport's are not created equal, at least for me, (the last
batch, and most comfortable, are not made in China, but Vietnam, from whence
the knee injury coincidentally originates ... there is some justice in this
world) I still find them the most comfortable, all day shop shoe.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 12/13/05
On 11 Jan 2006 06:41:17 -0800, "vdubbs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I would like to ask those of you who have work areas that are on some
>form of concrete, what kind of shoes do you wear while there? Do you
>use any kind of mats to stand on? Last, but not least are you flat
>footed?
At work I wear Red Wing work boots, the kind made for concrete, very
nice, the only other shoe that has come close in over 25 years of "not
just standing" on concrete were a pair of Nike Air runners I got
cheap, not steel toe however but had good bounce in the sole :)
I hardly ever stand in the same spot, (probably the reason I've still
not broken the 200lb mark) however have found mats to help when I do.
I've also found for me moving around that lighter "boots" made a
difference to my leg fatigue at the end of the day. For those mostly
standing this may not make as much difference.
Outside work I have worn Doc Martens almost exclusively for a dozen
years, from the moment I tried a pair on in the store, can't find the
model I like anymore, but they sure last. (Still have the first pair
for gardening, just retired the second pair from daily use, third pair
still in good shape) Hmm, add another 3 pair of "other" shoes, and
that's on pair every 2 years, compare that with SWMBO....I'd make that
into a fraction but my calculator only has 10 digits :)
I haven't tried steel toed Doc's, don't know any retail outlets that
carry them anymore.
I have high arches, steel hamstrings, touchy back...prinking
droblem....
--------------------
Steve Jensen
Abbotsford B.C.
[email protected] chopping out the mortise.
BBS'ing since 1982 at 300 bps.
Surfing along at 19200 bps since 95.
WW'ing since 1985
LV Cust #4114
Nothing catchy to say, well maybe.....
WAKE UP - There are no GODs you fools!
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> vdubbs wrote:
>
>> I have never really been able to say for sure that being flat footed
>> has been a problem for me, but I may need to look for different shoes
>> while standing for long periods of time in the work shop.
>
> Look up "ripple sole" shoes. Used by mailmen. I think Mason Shoes
> still makes them, others may as well. I had a pair years ago when my
> work required 8 hours of standing and I think they're great.
Ahh geez! I had a pair of ripple soles about 1953. I was the only kis in
school wearing them. Later I was the first kid wearing Clarke's Desert
Boots and it kinda made up for the ripple soles.
Amen, Charlie.
Lots of things are righteously correct until you get a bullet through an
ankle, or pelvis broken in half, or emphyzema from smoking too many years -
and a new wife who cooks great food.
TomNie
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Clifford Heath wrote:
>> mike wrote:
>> > I think that the problem needs to be tackled in a different way..
>> > I am pretty sure that if the hamstrings
>>
>> Agree totally. I can't believe that these obese posters think
>> that what they put *under* their feet will fix the problems
>> they've caused by what they put *over* them.
>>
>> Go for a decent *fast* walk for an hour, 4-5 miles, a couple of
>> times a week, your hammies and glutes will gain so much tone
>> they'll hold your pelvis upright and suck your gut in, stop it
>> hanging forward and dragging your back further out of line. You
>> might even lose some of that excess weight. I wasn't overweight,
>> but when I started walking *hard* for one hour a week, I lost
>> a Kg (2.2lb) *each week* for the first 8 weeks.
>
> There you go. Just the thing for everyone. Unfortunately, after three
> knee surgeries, none caused by obesity, and arthritis in my feet, a
> fast walk is something I watch other people do. I'd guess some more of
> us fat slobs who put too much "over" our feet are in the same boat,
> whether from injury or illness.
>
> What you can or can't believe has no relevance outside your own family.
>