Howdy,
A buddy of mine is soon to open a small retail store in an
old venue that was, for about 20 years, a hair salon.
He refinished the floors (apparently) by sanding, and then
urethaning.
In most areas, the results are fine, but in some areas, he
noticed problems.
In one section, the urethane did not adhere to the wood. He
told me that a few hours after applying it, he saw small
bubbles in that area, and that a few days later, in that
section, the urethane was completely worn off with only very
light foot traffic.
With a bit of detective work, we were able to figure out the
location of the original hair salon chairs, and the position
of the customers in those chairs.
Our guess is that years of hair related stuff had dripped
from customer's heads and had soaked into the floor
preventing the proper curing of the urethane.
Given that he has no way to know just what that "stuff"
might be, what is a reasonable way for him to proceed?
Thanks for any help on this,
--
Kenneth
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On Jun 25, 12:10 pm, Kenneth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> A buddy of mine is soon to open a small retail store in an
> old venue that was, for about 20 years, a hair salon.
>
> He refinished the floors (apparently) by sanding, and then
> urethaning.
>
> In most areas, the results are fine, but in some areas, he
> noticed problems.
>
> In one section, the urethane did not adhere to the wood. He
> told me that a few hours after applying it, he saw small
> bubbles in that area, and that a few days later, in that
> section, the urethane was completely worn off with only very
> light foot traffic.
>
> With a bit of detective work, we were able to figure out the
> location of the original hair salon chairs, and the position
> of the customers in those chairs.
>
> Our guess is that years of hair related stuff had dripped
> from customer's heads and had soaked into the floor
> preventing the proper curing of the urethane.
>
> Given that he has no way to know just what that "stuff"
> might be, what is a reasonable way for him to proceed?
Try spot priming with clear dewaxed (!) shellac.
It is most likely some silicon based products. I don't know if they
use it in hair spray but I assume so and it is the bain of finishing.
I think a true sanding to really remove the entire surface is what is
needed. The stuff couldn't soak in that much. Shellac might be a good
first coat after that. I wouldn't have thought of that but the Father
has it right.
On Jun 25, 9:10 am, Kenneth <[email protected]> wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> A buddy of mine is soon to open a small retail store in an
> old venue that was, for about 20 years, a hair salon.
>
> He refinished the floors (apparently) by sanding, and then
> urethaning.
>
> In most areas, the results are fine, but in some areas, he
> noticed problems.
>
> In one section, the urethane did not adhere to the wood. He
> told me that a few hours after applying it, he saw small
> bubbles in that area, and that a few days later, in that
> section, the urethane was completely worn off with only very
> light foot traffic.
>
> With a bit of detective work, we were able to figure out the
> location of the original hair salon chairs, and the position
> of the customers in those chairs.
>
> Our guess is that years of hair related stuff had dripped
> from customer's heads and had soaked into the floor
> preventing the proper curing of the urethane.
>
> Given that he has no way to know just what that "stuff"
> might be, what is a reasonable way for him to proceed?
>
> Thanks for any help on this,
> --
> Kenneth
>
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On Jun 25, 6:04 pm, Kenneth <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:06:43 -0700, "SonomaProducts.com"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >It is most likely some silicon based products. I don't know if they
> >use it in hair spray but I assume so and it is the bain of finishing.
>
> >I think a true sanding to really remove the entire surface is what is
> >needed. The stuff couldn't soak in that much. Shellac might be a good
> >first coat after that. I wouldn't have thought of that but the Father
> >has it right.
>
> Hello again,
>
> I should have mentioned that the floor was sanded... and
> deeply. It is in a building that is about 150 years old and
> the boards of the floor look brand new.
>
> Whatever seeped into the floor got in there deeply.
It could have been in the hair care gunk, --or-- in the floor
polish, whatever they used. If it got trapped under the
chairs (I'll bet they were the round based type), it would
have sat forever without drying out. Sand again if you like,
but probably you don't want to. Clean up the botched areas
as best you can, then spot prime with the clear Zinnser spray.
Let dry, and try the poly again. You might have to repeat
a few times.
Be philosophical if you're left with big ghost rings. An attraction
of a wooden floor is it retains character marks from its history.
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:23:10 -0700, Father Haskell
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Try spot priming with clear dewaxed (!) shellac.
That is certainly worth a try. I'll pass it along.
Sincere thanks,
--
Kenneth
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:55:20 -0700, Father Haskell
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jun 25, 6:04 pm, Kenneth <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:06:43 -0700, "SonomaProducts.com"
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >It is most likely some silicon based products. I don't know if they
>> >use it in hair spray but I assume so and it is the bain of finishing.
>>
>> >I think a true sanding to really remove the entire surface is what is
>> >needed. The stuff couldn't soak in that much. Shellac might be a good
>> >first coat after that. I wouldn't have thought of that but the Father
>> >has it right.
>>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> I should have mentioned that the floor was sanded... and
>> deeply. It is in a building that is about 150 years old and
>> the boards of the floor look brand new.
>>
>> Whatever seeped into the floor got in there deeply.
>
>It could have been in the hair care gunk, --or-- in the floor
>polish, whatever they used. If it got trapped under the
>chairs (I'll bet they were the round based type), it would
>have sat forever without drying out. Sand again if you like,
>but probably you don't want to. Clean up the botched areas
>as best you can, then spot prime with the clear Zinnser spray.
>Let dry, and try the poly again. You might have to repeat
>a few times.
>
>Be philosophical if you're left with big ghost rings. An attraction
>of a wooden floor is it retains character marks from its history.
Hi again,
I thank you for your interesting comments...
Indeed, the chairs were of the circular base type, and, as
one would expect, one wall was mirrored. As a result, though
the chairs could rotate, they spent most of their time
facing the mirrors. That would put the patrons heads as far
from the mirrors as possible, and that is where the problem
is.
There is a clear "lane" of failed floor finish going from
chair to chair "behind the customers."
My current guess is that periodically, they put something on
the floor in the "strip" behind the chairs because that area
had the most foot traffic.
In any case, I have passed the good suggestions along to my
soon-to-be-a-retailer friend, and he will give 'em a try.
All the best,
--
Kenneth
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Kenneth wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:23:10 -0700, Father Haskell
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Try spot priming with clear dewaxed (!) shellac.
>
> That is certainly worth a try. I'll pass it along.
>
Dewaxed shellac is sold premixed as Zinnser Seal Coat.
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:06:43 -0700, "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It is most likely some silicon based products. I don't know if they
>use it in hair spray but I assume so and it is the bain of finishing.
>
>I think a true sanding to really remove the entire surface is what is
>needed. The stuff couldn't soak in that much. Shellac might be a good
>first coat after that. I wouldn't have thought of that but the Father
>has it right.
>
Hello again,
I should have mentioned that the floor was sanded... and
deeply. It is in a building that is about 150 years old and
the boards of the floor look brand new.
Whatever seeped into the floor got in there deeply.
All the best,
--
Kenneth
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