Me

"Michael"

19/01/2006 4:14 PM

Staining knotty pine

What's the secret to keeping the stain even?

Thanks,

Mike


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"Andy"

in reply to "Michael" on 19/01/2006 4:14 PM

19/01/2006 10:11 AM

I'll second the shellac recommendation - it is good for sealing knots
in particular. If you don't use some kind of sanding sealer or sealer
coat before your stain, it will almost definitely end up splotchy on
pine.
Test on scrap as always.
Andy

Jn

JES

in reply to "Michael" on 19/01/2006 4:14 PM

19/01/2006 7:14 PM

Michael wrote:
> What's the secret to keeping the stain even?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
Gel stain is probably the best bet...
If you don't want to start with shellac etc.

JES

c

in reply to "Michael" on 19/01/2006 4:14 PM

19/01/2006 7:05 PM

I use Spruce/ Pine almost exclusively. I use a Minwax natural (clear)
as a base, then a Minwax stain , then the finish. The clear evens
out the wood for staining, knots and all including areas of the wood
that may be spalted. Put the clear on, wait a day before staining.


The clear will show up any obvious areas that need more sanding almost
as well as a stained coat will.

Pete

Me

"Michael"

in reply to "Michael" on 19/01/2006 4:14 PM

22/01/2006 3:24 PM

Thanks, everyone, for your help with this.

Mike


"BILLY GURLEY" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In my experience, I find it helps to at least sand to around 600 before staining. Then do your finer sanding afterwards.
> Restaining or touch up staining followed by very fine sanding to finalize may be in order. But also keep in mind the
> characteristics of different stains. Myself, I like to use Minwax, Provincial Stain without poly. I never use the poly included
> stains unless I am doing small scroll projects that does not matter about details. I find that minwax has the best covering stains
> and always use a lint free cloth.
>
> --
> Billy Gurley
> Cameron, NC
> FAX: 919-499-0239
> [email protected]
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> What's the secret to keeping the stain even?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
>

BG

"BILLY GURLEY"

in reply to "Michael" on 19/01/2006 4:14 PM

19/01/2006 11:24 AM

In my experience, I find it helps to at least sand to around 600 before
staining. Then do your finer sanding afterwards. Restaining or touch up
staining followed by very fine sanding to finalize may be in order. But also
keep in mind the characteristics of different stains. Myself, I like to use
Minwax, Provincial Stain without poly. I never use the poly included stains
unless I am doing small scroll projects that does not matter about details.
I find that minwax has the best covering stains and always use a lint free
cloth.

--
Billy Gurley
Cameron, NC
FAX: 919-499-0239
[email protected]
"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What's the secret to keeping the stain even?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Michael" on 19/01/2006 4:14 PM

19/01/2006 4:47 PM


"BILLY GURLEY" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I find that minwax has the best covering stains and always use a lint free
> cloth.

You might be thrilled with the results of General Finishes, Bartleys, and or
Zar stains if you are impressed with Minwax stains.

ff

"2fatty" <[email protected]>

in reply to "Michael" on 19/01/2006 4:14 PM

19/01/2006 4:00 PM

I do pretty much all my projects in pine. I recently gave this product a
try
https://ssl.sogetel.net/aquashine/boutique_en/saman.asp
Its almost like a waterbased gel stain. A bit pricey, but it covers very
well and doesn't blotch at all.

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "Michael" on 19/01/2006 4:14 PM

19/01/2006 6:27 PM

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:14:18 GMT, "Michael"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>What's the secret to keeping the stain even?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike
>


Well, you can't. But you can minimize the blotches...

use light stains, such as honey pine
use gel stains
use a wood conditioner or spit coat shellac
use less stain on the end-grain areas
sand properly
avoid excessive use of glue
practice on scrap pieces

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Andy Dingley

in reply to "Michael" on 19/01/2006 4:14 PM

19/01/2006 5:42 PM

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:14:18 GMT, "Michael"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>What's the secret to keeping the stain even?

Use cherry instead of pine ? 8-)

Pine varies in its absorbency, so any "stain" (meaning a pigment that
soaks _into_ the timber) is going to end up blotchy.

Instead you can pre-condition the pine with a coat of thinned shellac,
then apply a glaze instead of a stain (a pigment that sits on the
surface of the timber).

Ld

L d'Bonnie

in reply to "Michael" on 19/01/2006 4:14 PM

20/01/2006 12:38 AM

BILLY GURLEY wrote:
> In my experience, I find it helps to at least sand to around 600 before
> staining. Then do your finer sanding afterwards. Restaining or touch up
> staining followed by very fine sanding to finalize may be in order. But also
> keep in mind the characteristics of different stains. Myself, I like to use
> Minwax, Provincial Stain without poly. I never use the poly included stains
> unless I am doing small scroll projects that does not matter about details.
> I find that minwax has the best covering stains and always use a lint free
> cloth.
>
I'm doing my pine panel doors with Minwax Puritan Pine. Two
gallons of elbow grease for every gallon of stain. Two coats,
a good rub after the second coat seems to take care of most of
the blotching. Whats left is character.


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