"toolman946 via CraftKB.com" wrote:
[snipped very moving story for brevity's sake]
>> I still have the harmonica.
"Robatoy" wrote:
>Oh man...... hang on to that thing for dear life....
SFWIW, I gave my mother a chromatic harmonica for Christmas 50 years
ago.
At 103, she can no longer play it.
At her request, it's final resting place will be beside her.
Lew
On Apr 23, 4:28=A0am, Mekon <[email protected]> wrote:
> (snip)
>
> High German is close to Old English, A language I studied at
> university. When I first started it shocked me how little I understood
> of it. Now when I meet Scandinavians and Germans I play a little
> linguistic game trying to find words which are most alike in their
> language and ours. Most simalarities are in farming tools and terms
> Spade, earth, fowl with a few religious ones thrown in God Christ and
> some basic 'human' words dream, live, hope, then a weapon sword,
> animals cow hen and so on.
> There are quite a lot when you look for them.
>
s=E5nd p=E5per is =F8ne of them.
On Apr 25, 3:08=A0pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Han" wrote
>
> > they would (often) rather not talk about. =A0For me one of the things wa=
s
> > when my son (at around 8 years of age - he is now in his thirties) came
> > home with stories from holocaust deniers. =A0I had to set him straight
> > about the facts.
>
> My youngest daughter writes articles/reviews on a weekly basis for her
> college newspaper. When the review she wrote about the novel "Night," by
> Elie Wiesel was published, I realized again just how important it is to
> raise your kids so that they can't be brainwashed, even by college
> professors:
>
> http://media.www.hsuoracle.com/media/storage/paper927/news/2008/03/09...
>
> ... while she's still learning to wield words, I'm proud that her head, an=
d
> heart, appear to be most definitely in the right place.
>
Atrocities happened. No doubt.
Why is it that someone can be sentenced to a jail term because he/she
has evidence that it was, in fact 4.3 million Jews who were
slaughtered instead of 6 million?
The mere questioning of the numbers will have your ass thrown in jail!
4.3 vs 6.0?? It's an atrocity!
Enough already!
*I* want to know ONE thing, and one thing only.
Why can the the Jews use the slaughter against them use that info to
get a Home Land...and our native Americans cannot?
How many Native American Indians did we kill?
Why can't THEY use the victim card?
I guess it is because they don't own any banks. Or politicians.
RE: Subject
My mother, who turned 103 on 04/21/08, has a letter written by her
mother to her farther in about 1920.
It is written in a "HIgh German", a language fromat used in the 1800s
but is now totally obsolete.
Although my mother was fluent in modern spoken German, she could not
read this letter.
About 5 years ago, found a woman whose 80+ mother still lived in
Germany and came to SoCal for the summers, and as a bonus, understood
the old "High German".
She translated the letter for me.
As I read the translation, I was blown away.
It was as if I was reading a letter written by my mother, rather than
my grandmother.
As they say, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
My grand parents died several years before I was born, but somehow
that letter opened on window on my grandmother for me.
Lew
[email protected] wrote:
> On Apr 22, 9:32 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> As I read the translation, I was blown away.
>>
>> It was as if I was reading a letter written by my mother, rather than
>> my grandmother.
>>
>> As they say, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
>>
>> My grand parents died several years before I was born, but somehow
>> that letter opened on window on my grandmother for me.
>
> How cool is that?
>
> We have little of our family history as it has been really fragmented
> over the generations. Being a history buff of sorts, it is really
> disappointing to me.
>
> Robert
>
You don't say how old you are but if you are interested in family
history start working on it NOW. It is easier when the older members of
the family are still living and you can asked questions and record
stories of their lives.
--
Keith Nuttle
3110 Marquette Court
Indianapolis, IN 46268
317-802-0699
Your relative's experiences are very interesting to me. Quite a diverse
collection of events.
My grandfather came to Canada in the early twenties to hew timber in the
forests of Ontario to earn sufficient funds for his family to emigrate from
the Ukraine, and to escape from Stalin's crushing jackboot. During a visit
home in 1925 my father was unknowingly conceived. After returning to Canada
it became too risky to visit home again and grand dad never saw his family
again... but for one exception.
His eldest son Michael joined a Ukrainian resistance cell which,
unfortunately, had dire effects on the family. He was captured and executed.
When my grandmother saw a cloud of dust in the distance signaling the
approach of the Bolshevik soldiers, she shooed her youngest son (and the only
male at the farm) to hide in the fields, thinking that she and her 3
daughters would be safe. My dad watched as his mother and sisters were piled
onto wagons and taken away... never to be seen by him again (they were
imprisoned in Siberia for 14 years).
He was a 15 year old boy on the run, and after a series of misadventures he
was captured and eventually imprisoned by the Nazis... sentenced to 2 death
camps - Mauthauzen and Guzen. He survived 49 months of unspeakable horrors
during the holocaust and was eventually liberated by the Allied armies.
He bounced around Europe after the war and with the help of the Red Cross, he
located his father in Dryden, Ontario. Saving enough for ship's passage, he
crossed the Atlantic and arrived in Canada in 1950. He traveled by train from
Montreal and disembarked to the platform at Dryden only to be surrounded by
200 strange people milling about. He waited as the crowd thinned. An old man
was left standing on the boardwalk and as they approached each other my dad
said "you must be my father!". The old man responded "you must be my son!".
He handed my dad a 5 dollar bill (which he promptly spent on a 6 sided
harmonica!) and off they went to become acquainted.
And so began his life in the new world.
He was a troubled and tortured soul, no doubt living with "survivor's guilt"
and haunted by the memories and nightmares of the horrors he'd witnessed and
lived through. They took their toll on him and he died 28 years ago at the
tender, young age of 55.
Much of what I've learned about him came from my mother, as he seldom spoke
of those terrible times. I regret that we hardly got to know each other.
I still have the harmonica.
Michael
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Han wrote:
> Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote in news:jx0Qj.93697
> [email protected]:
>
>> For my FIL, it was having to move forward 30 miles a day in WWII and
>> what to do with prisoners.
>>
> Please send my thank you's to your FIL and all his buddies. That's from my
> sister and her kids, as well as my kids and grandkids too.
>
I would, but he departed in 1991 at age 66.
Keith nuttle <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On Apr 22, 9:32 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> As I read the translation, I was blown away.
>>>
>>> It was as if I was reading a letter written by my mother, rather
>>> than my grandmother.
>>>
>>> As they say, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
>>>
>>> My grand parents died several years before I was born, but somehow
>>> that letter opened on window on my grandmother for me.
>>
>> How cool is that?
>>
>> We have little of our family history as it has been really fragmented
>> over the generations. Being a history buff of sorts, it is really
>> disappointing to me.
>>
>> Robert
>>
> You don't say how old you are but if you are interested in family
> history start working on it NOW. It is easier when the older members
> of the family are still living and you can asked questions and record
> stories of their lives.
>
I recommend to start YESTERDAY!! Some things need to be done very
gently, because some of the things the previous generation went through
are pretty disturbing. My parents lived through the German occupation
of Holland, and now they are gone, I can't ask about it any more.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [snip for brevity]
>
>> My parents lived through the German occupation
>> of Holland, and now they are gone, I can't ask about it any more.
>
> Mine did as well, and are still alive.
> My dad is suffering from severe short-term memory loss, but at almost
> 87, healthy as a bear.
> He still gets riled about the 'verdomde rot-moffen'.
> I recently found a few copies of an verboten newspaper he printed and
> distributed while underground during WW2. He was a pretty brave young
> lad... to get caught would get you shot. He also had a radio hidden,
> one he used to get his info from Radio Oranje, broadcast from London,
> UK.
>
> It was very emotional to read some of them. No letters to my mother,
> but a snapshot of his life during which time he was dating my mother.
> I found some food coupons in the same shoe-box as well, and a few
> fliers, air-dropped 'suggesting the Krauts surrender'.
> I also found the last copy he printed (Gestetnered) the one that
> announced it was the last issue..because they were free again....
> consequently, he has always been grateful to a fault, as there is NO
> way that any American or Canadian or Brit could ever do anything
> wrong...ever. Suffice it to say that he and I had some disagreements.
> </understatement>
>
> r
It is a very tough thing to ask your parents to talk about things that
they would (often) rather not talk about. For me one of the things was
when my son (at around 8 years of age - he is now in his thirties) came
home with stories from holocaust deniers. I had to set him straight
about the facts. That made me want to talk more about my parents' war
experiences. However, it was difficult, and I now regret that I didn't
get more information. I did get quite a bit, but not for distribution
on the net.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote in news:jx0Qj.93697
[email protected]:
> For my FIL, it was having to move forward 30 miles a day in WWII and
> what to do with prisoners.
>
Please send my thank you's to your FIL and all his buddies. That's from my
sister and her kids, as well as my kids and grandkids too.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Douglas Johnson <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>>For me one of the things was
>>when my son (at around 8 years of age - he is now in his thirties)
>>came home with stories from holocaust deniers. I had to set him
>>straight about the facts.
>
> When I was growing up, a fair number of people in town had numbers
> tattooed on their arms. They wore them proudly, but never talked
> about them.
>
> Just another part of the vast conspiracy, no doubt.
>
> -- Doug
That's one of the things I had to explain.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Han wrote:
>> Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote in news:jx0Qj.93697
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> For my FIL, it was having to move forward 30 miles a day in WWII
>>> and
>>> what to do with prisoners.
>>>
>> Please send my thank you's to your FIL and all his buddies. That's
>> from my sister and her kids, as well as my kids and grandkids too.
>>
> I would, but he departed in 1991 at age 66.
>
My belated condolances!!
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Apr 25, 3:08 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Han" wrote
>>
>> > they would (often) rather not talk about. For me one of the things
>> > wa
> s
>> > when my son (at around 8 years of age - he is now in his thirties)
>> > came home with stories from holocaust deniers. I had to set him
>> > straight about the facts.
>>
>> My youngest daughter writes articles/reviews on a weekly basis for
>> her college newspaper. When the review she wrote about the novel
>> "Night," by Elie Wiesel was published, I realized again just how
>> important it is to raise your kids so that they can't be brainwashed,
>> even by college professors:
>>
>> http://media.www.hsuoracle.com/media/storage/paper927/news/2008/03/09.
>> ..
>>
>> ... while she's still learning to wield words, I'm proud that her
>> head, an
> d
>> heart, appear to be most definitely in the right place.
>>
>
> Atrocities happened. No doubt.
>
> Why is it that someone can be sentenced to a jail term because he/she
> has evidence that it was, in fact 4.3 million Jews who were
> slaughtered instead of 6 million?
> The mere questioning of the numbers will have your ass thrown in jail!
> 4.3 vs 6.0?? It's an atrocity!
> Enough already!
>
> *I* want to know ONE thing, and one thing only.
>
> Why can the the Jews use the slaughter against them use that info to
> get a Home Land...and our native Americans cannot?
>
> How many Native American Indians did we kill?
>
> Why can't THEY use the victim card?
>
> I guess it is because they don't own any banks. Or politicians.
>
Nobody gave the Jews a homeland. They fought for it. The UN (Hooray) voted
for them to have one, but did nothing to assist them.
There is no such thing as 'Native Americans'. The Americas did not have a
'Native' population. If you want call them Indians or 'First Americans';Ok.
Where did somebody go to jail for getting the numbers wrong? I'm not
doubting your veracity, but I don't think it was Canada, USA, or the
Netherlands. Is it Israel by chance? Didn't the SS have a unit from the low
countries? Maybe I'm mistaken - might have been Denmark.
"Han" wrote
> they would (often) rather not talk about. For me one of the things was
> when my son (at around 8 years of age - he is now in his thirties) came
> home with stories from holocaust deniers. I had to set him straight
> about the facts.
My youngest daughter writes articles/reviews on a weekly basis for her
college newspaper. When the review she wrote about the novel "Night," by
Elie Wiesel was published, I realized again just how important it is to
raise your kids so that they can't be brainwashed, even by college
professors:
http://media.www.hsuoracle.com/media/storage/paper927/news/2008/03/09/Entertainment/Victim.Tells.Story.In.night.To.Prevent.Future.Horrors-3269176.shtml
... while she's still learning to wield words, I'm proud that her head, and
heart, appear to be most definitely in the right place.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 3/27/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
In article <[email protected]>,
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote
>
> > *I* want to know ONE thing, and one thing only.
>
> As you already indicated, all you need to know is that greed and politics
> ultimately brings out the inhuman ...
I propose a STCD!
Stop The Clock Day!
What that means, is: Forget what what your daddy did to mine.
What your grandfather did to your grand father.
ENOUGH already.
A whole bunch of Jews got killed.
A whole bunch of Albanians got killed.
A whole bunch of Rhuwhandans got killed.
A whole bunch of Mongolians got killed.
A whole bunch of black Africans got enslaved and killed.
It wasn't ME, Goddammit!!!!
I am soooo sick-and-fucking tired of having to atone for shit *I* didn't
do.
Stop The Clock Day.
We all wake up and high-5 our immediate fellow commuters.
*I* have a sick aunt.
*I* want to succeed in business.
*I* will help those who will let me help them.
*I* will shoot leaches.
Let me run my fucking business, so I can afford to hire new people, so
they can all have a fucking Christmas. Do NOT bury me in fucking
paperwork!!!
r
In article <[email protected]>,
Han <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip for brevity]
> My parents lived through the German occupation
> of Holland, and now they are gone, I can't ask about it any more.
Mine did as well, and are still alive.
My dad is suffering from severe short-term memory loss, but at almost
87, healthy as a bear.
He still gets riled about the 'verdomde rot-moffen'.
I recently found a few copies of an verboten newspaper he printed and
distributed while underground during WW2. He was a pretty brave young
lad... to get caught would get you shot. He also had a radio hidden, one
he used to get his info from Radio Oranje, broadcast from London, UK.
It was very emotional to read some of them. No letters to my mother, but
a snapshot of his life during which time he was dating my mother.
I found some food coupons in the same shoe-box as well, and a few
fliers, air-dropped 'suggesting the Krauts surrender'.
I also found the last copy he printed (Gestetnered) the one that
announced it was the last issue..because they were free again....
consequently, he has always been grateful to a fault, as there is NO way
that any American or Canadian or Brit could ever do anything
wrong...ever. Suffice it to say that he and I had some disagreements.
</understatement>
r
On Apr 22, 9:32 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> As I read the translation, I was blown away.
>
> It was as if I was reading a letter written by my mother, rather than
> my grandmother.
>
> As they say, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
>
> My grand parents died several years before I was born, but somehow
> that letter opened on window on my grandmother for me.
How cool is that?
We have little of our family history as it has been really fragmented
over the generations. Being a history buff of sorts, it is really
disappointing to me.
Robert
Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>For me one of the things was
>when my son (at around 8 years of age - he is now in his thirties) came
>home with stories from holocaust deniers. I had to set him straight
>about the facts.
When I was growing up, a fair number of people in town had numbers tattooed on
their arms. They wore them proudly, but never talked about them.
Just another part of the vast conspiracy, no doubt.
-- Doug
Han wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> [snip for brevity]
>>
>>> My parents lived through the German occupation
>>> of Holland, and now they are gone, I can't ask about it any more.
>> Mine did as well, and are still alive.
>> My dad is suffering from severe short-term memory loss, but at almost
>> 87, healthy as a bear.
>> He still gets riled about the 'verdomde rot-moffen'.
>> I recently found a few copies of an verboten newspaper he printed and
>> distributed while underground during WW2. He was a pretty brave young
>> lad... to get caught would get you shot. He also had a radio hidden,
>> one he used to get his info from Radio Oranje, broadcast from London,
>> UK.
>>
>> It was very emotional to read some of them. No letters to my mother,
>> but a snapshot of his life during which time he was dating my mother.
>> I found some food coupons in the same shoe-box as well, and a few
>> fliers, air-dropped 'suggesting the Krauts surrender'.
>> I also found the last copy he printed (Gestetnered) the one that
>> announced it was the last issue..because they were free again....
>> consequently, he has always been grateful to a fault, as there is NO
>> way that any American or Canadian or Brit could ever do anything
>> wrong...ever. Suffice it to say that he and I had some disagreements.
>> </understatement>
>>
>> r
>
> It is a very tough thing to ask your parents to talk about things that
> they would (often) rather not talk about. For me one of the things was
> when my son (at around 8 years of age - he is now in his thirties) came
> home with stories from holocaust deniers. I had to set him straight
> about the facts. That made me want to talk more about my parents' war
> experiences. However, it was difficult, and I now regret that I didn't
> get more information. I did get quite a bit, but not for distribution
> on the net.
>
For my FIL, it was having to move forward 30 miles a day in WWII and
what to do with prisoners.
(snip)
High German is close to Old English, A language I studied at
university. When I first started it shocked me how little I understood
of it. Now when I meet Scandinavians and Germans I play a little
linguistic game trying to find words which are most alike in their
language and ours. Most simalarities are in farming tools and terms
Spade, earth, fowl with a few religious ones thrown in God Christ and
some basic 'human' words dream, live, hope, then a weapon sword,
animals cow hen and so on.
There are quite a lot when you look for them.
Mekon
--
Mekon