I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
finding what I'm looking for.
What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
prevent bowing?
Puckdropper
On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 11:52:11 AM UTC-5, nor... wrote:
> Swingman wrote in
> > Sheet goods:
> > As Built:=20
> > https://goo.gl/photos/985tx96GAFJai1ky6
>=20
> I like that sheet goods rack.=20
>=20
> Puckdropper
Hah! I'm wondering if Puck is, also, asking about something he's not admit=
ting to, that he's as guilty, as some of us (hoarders!), that we tend to ke=
ep all sorts of "scrap" and it starts to overwhelm our storage/work areas.
Some of my various storage systems are.... disorganized. Lots of smaller =
(length) stuff is best described as just heaped in areas, some horizontal, =
some vertical. I'm not qualified to recommend a racking system.... *unles=
s, maybe, you want a system that racks.
Some of you guys sure have a clean shop. Is that normal?
That sheet good rack does look good, though. For my scenario, I'd be temp=
ted to put heavy duty casters on it, to move it out or out of the way, when=
needed. I have an area in the shop's garage (lots of sheet goods) that c=
ould use a wheeled cart. Maybe, center casters lower, than on the ends, t=
o turn on a dime?
Sonny
Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Saturday, October 1, 2016 at 6:22:54 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>
>> On a side note, the pantry cabinet I built for our home about 5 years
>> ago has 22 small drawers and are mated in pairs. The grain is matched
>> for the pairs. At eye level a pair of those drawers have grain that
>> looks like the Liberty bell. No one notices that.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6485170653/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Well, you should have strived for the Lone Star look....
>
> Or the Long Horn look. Turn the drawers upside down and you'll see the Long Horn's head.
>
> Sonny
>
OK so I finally remembered to lock the rotation on my iPad and was able to
take a look upside down. ::-)
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/1/2016 7:22 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> On a side note, the pantry cabinet I built for our home about 5 years
>> ago has 22 small drawers and are mated in pairs. The grain is matched
>> for the pairs. At eye level a pair of those drawers have grain that
>> looks like the Liberty bell. No one notices that.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6485170653/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Took me a couple of seconds to find it, but that is because the crack in
> the center seems a bit out of scale.
>
ROTFL. Damn, and probably a little too straight!
On 9/26/2016 10:30 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 10:29:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>> On 9/26/2016 4:32 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
>>> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
>>> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
>>> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
>>> finding what I'm looking for.
>>>
>>> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>>>
>>> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
>>> prevent bowing?
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>>
>>
>>
>> I use these that I from from Griz about 10 years ago. IIRC Woodcraft
>> sells this stile too. Very HD.
>
> As opposed to a "rail"? ;-)
>
LOL. Looks like griz is no longer carrying those. They are very HD.
>>
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2535?utm_campaign=zPage
>
On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 5:32:54 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> finding what I'm looking for.
>
> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>
> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> prevent bowing?
>
> Puckdropper
Did you do an image search using your favorite search engine?
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
>
> I use these that I from from Griz about 10 years ago. IIRC Woodcraft
> sells this stile too. Very HD.
>
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2535?
> utm_campaign=zPage
Those look very much like the ones Menards sells. They feel heavy duty,
and if installed properly should hold quite a bit. They're the ones I'm
leaning towards.
Puckdropper
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
*snip*
>
> Sheet goods:
>
> Dimensions:
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/MovXFYg912iNjk6k8
>
> As Built:
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/985tx96GAFJai1ky6
>
> Been using it for about five years now and I'm basically happy with it
> for the size of the shop ... but it is a desperation measure due to
> shop size.
>
I like that sheet goods rack. Looks like it'll be easy to flip through
pieces to find what I'm looking for. It looks like it could be built in
an evening, the hardest part would literally be cutting the plywood for
the base.
Puckdropper
Sonny <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Hah! I'm wondering if Puck is, also, asking about something he's not
> admitting to, that he's as guilty, as some of us (hoarders!), that we
> tend to keep all sorts of "scrap" and it starts to overwhelm our
> storage/work areas.
>
> Some of my various storage systems are.... disorganized. Lots of
> smaller (length) stuff is best described as just heaped in areas, some
> horizontal, some vertical. I'm not qualified to recommend a racking
> system.... *unless, maybe, you want a system that racks.
>
> Some of you guys sure have a clean shop. Is that normal?
>
> That sheet good rack does look good, though. For my scenario, I'd be
> tempted to put heavy duty casters on it, to move it out or out of the
> way, when needed. I have an area in the shop's garage (lots of sheet
> goods) that could use a wheeled cart. Maybe, center casters lower,
> than on the ends, to turn on a dime?
>
> Sonny
>
No, no, it's just that I like a nice rack... Especially one that's the
right size for the available space.
It's not the scraps that are causing the problem, it's that I've got
layers upon layers of various sheet goods piled against a wall.
Reasonably sized boards are piled against another wall. It makes it hard
to get to what I need, or even to keep in mind what I have in inventory.
Much of my scrap problem went away with the fire pit.
I've been thinking about wheels as well. It could then fit tight against
the wall and then move out to the aisle when I need a piece. I think
locking casters would be a necessity.
Puckdropper
On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 10:29:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> On 9/26/2016 4:32 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> > I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> > to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> > options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
> > best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> > finding what I'm looking for.
> >
> > What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
> >
> > If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> > prevent bowing?
> >
> > Puckdropper
> >
>
>
> I use these that I from from Griz about 10 years ago. IIRC Woodcraft
> sells this stile too. Very HD.
As opposed to a "rail"? ;-)
>
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2535?utm_campaign=zPage
On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 4:32:54 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> finding what I'm looking for.
>
> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>
> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> prevent bowing?
>
> Puckdropper
I started off storing horizontally but eventually went to vertical storage, simply because it gave me better access to the wood and more storage per square foot.
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-4, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> > > to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> > > options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
> > > best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> > > finding what I'm looking for.
> > >
> > > What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
> > >
> > > If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> > > prevent bowing?
> > >
> > > Puckdropper
> >
> > I use a surplus pallet rack I got for free that looks a lot like
> > this, minus the wire shelves:
> > https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7f44ziTE_N4/maxresdefault.jpg
> >
> > Mine is all green,
>
> A Festool wood storage rack! Who knew?
Wrong tint :D
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDU2WDEwODI=/z/s2AAAOSw091VBaIE/$_1.JPG
On 9/26/2016 5:32 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> finding what I'm looking for.
>
> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>
> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> prevent bowing?
>
> Puckdropper
>
Home made is best. You will get what you need, hold more, and it will
cost less.
I used 2x4 uprights, w/ 2x8s. The 2x8s are cut at an angle for supports.
You could also do 2x4 supports with ply doubler or tripplers.
You then get to layout your own system.
I ran the 2x4 uprights from floor to floor joist above. They are tied in
with carriage bolts to the joists, and held away from the wall a few
inches, and a little foot on the bottom holds the spacing from the wall.
This allows air, or small panels to go behind it.
Mine are 16" on center.
--
Jeff
On 9/27/2016 6:43 AM, Sonny wrote:
> Hah! I'm wondering if Puck is, also, asking about something he's not admitting to, that he's as guilty, as some of us (hoarders!), that we tend to keep all sorts of "scrap" and it starts to overwhelm our storage/work areas.
>
> Some of my various storage systems are.... disorganized. Lots of smaller (length) stuff is best described as just heaped in areas, some horizontal, some vertical. I'm not qualified to recommend a racking system.... *unless, maybe, you want a system that racks.
>
> Some of you guys sure have a clean shop. Is that normal?
>
> That sheet good rack does look good, though. For my scenario, I'd be tempted to put heavy duty casters on it, to move it out or out of the way, when needed. I have an area in the shop's garage (lots of sheet goods) that could use a wheeled cart. Maybe, center casters lower, than on the ends, to turn on a dime?
Yep, as you see below, you're right about pack rat creep.
Thought about casters when designing/building it, but my shop is so
small there is no place to move it to:
https://goo.gl/photos/czP1sb2qAHAD9UCv9
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On 9/26/2016 11:44 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>>
>> I use these that I from from Griz about 10 years ago. IIRC Woodcraft
>> sells this stile too. Very HD.
>>
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2535?
>> utm_campaign=zPage
>
> Those look very much like the ones Menards sells. They feel heavy duty,
> and if installed properly should hold quite a bit. They're the ones I'm
> leaning towards.
>
> Puckdropper
>
To tell you the truth I feared that I would over load the wall itself
with this system, so I also mounted a 2x4 vertically at the bottoms of
the standards/rails to carry the straight down force along with 5/16"
Spax lag screws. I can do pull ups between two of the brackets.
On 10/1/2016 10:26 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 10/01/2016 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
> ...
>
>> How often do you need for a board that to be over 8' or 9' long? You can
>> cut them down to that length now. ;~)
> ...
>
> And grain pattern-matching for a specific project out of them has just
> gone down the drain... :( After that, you're limited to what those
> lengths allow which may or may not, actually make the best
> presentation/use of the material.
Well there is that. ;~) Unless you cut out the grain patterns now.
On 9/26/2016 4:32 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> finding what I'm looking for.
>
> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>
> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> prevent bowing?
>
> Puckdropper
>
A word about storage shelves for scraps and whole boards.
I have 5 rows of shelves, with a 9' ceiling, and through the years have
learned to leave the bottom shelf empty to receive new project wood.
I have learned to put the scrap pieces on the top shelf and large heavy
boards on the lower shelves. This does not sound right but it is much
easier to place and remove scrap pieces when you are standing on a
ladder than it is to do the same with long heavy boards.
Resist the temptation to place or store anything other than wood on your
wood rack.
On 10/1/2016 8:59 AM, Brewster wrote:
> On 9/27/16 4:43 AM, Dr. Deb wrote:
>
>>
>> I started off storing horizontally but eventually went to vertical
>> storage, simply because it
>
> gave me better access to the wood and more storage per square foot.
>>
>
> I wish I could go vertical (9.5 foot ceilings), but 90% of my boards are
> 10', 12' and 16'.
How often do you need for a board that to be over 8' or 9' long? You
can cut them down to that length now. ;~)
> I made a rack system outside, behind the shop, long enough to hold the
> 16's. Two tiers, 4' deep with 3"x1/4" "C" channel cross supports on 4'
> centers. The outside is covered with corrugated roofing takeoffs from
> reroofing the shop. Being on the south side, it gets quite warm (solar
> kiln?), but holds an a$$ load of wood (several 1000 bf). The cross
> supports are bolted to 2"x2" vertical steel supports on each end, sunk
> into concrete piers.
>
> Problems are that the board I want is always on the bottom and the
> squirrels are impossible. The 4' spacing has never been a problem with
> warping, etc. The vertical supports mean I only have access from the end
> so I label each board with species and length. Lots of improvements
> could be made, but at least it is no longer stacked up on the shop floor
> 8^).
>
> Next would be a shed, probably 12' high, where the 'shorter' stuff could
> be vertical (the only way to do it right!)
>
> -BR
>
On 10/2/2016 7:52 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 10/01/2016 8:21 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> ...
>
>> I would not leave my wood outside, there's too many chances that the
>> bugs will set up a home, or the outside moisture becomes an issue.
> ...
>
> You'd be surprised perhaps at how many professional woodworkers have
> extensive outside sheds similar to that described here, then, perhaps.
> Over the years pictures in Find Woodworking of various contributors'
> shops have shown many such lowly storage facilities with tremendous
> accumulations...
I'm aware of that.
I said it was my opinion.
An overhang around here won't prevent wet wood.
I get blasted by heavy winds.
Also I have had many bugs in wood sitting outside.
So my opinion is to avoid it.
BTW just because you see it in a Fine Woodworking or any magazine, does
not make it right. There are a lot of talented wood workers out there
who build beautiful stuff, but there methods might not always be the
best. Then there are total hacks who get time, who do not have methods
or ability. Then there are the guys who can't build for shit, and have
good methods.. So just because you saw it in fine ww, doesn't mean a thing.
--
Jeff
On 10/1/2016 7:22 PM, Leon wrote:
> On a side note, the pantry cabinet I built for our home about 5 years
> ago has 22 small drawers and are mated in pairs. The grain is matched
> for the pairs. At eye level a pair of those drawers have grain that
> looks like the Liberty bell. No one notices that.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6485170653/in/dateposted-public/
Took me a couple of seconds to find it, but that is because the crack in
the center seems a bit out of scale.
On 9/26/2016 8:18 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On 26 Sep 2016 09:32:52 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
>> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
>> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
>> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
>> finding what I'm looking for.
>>
>> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>>
>> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
>> prevent bowing?
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
>
> This product is quite robust - but a bit ugly.
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?cat=3,43648&p=32145
>
> Look around for better prices - or check the Re-Store / used outlets.
> Check their " Instr" link for some install advice - good to
> consider, regardless of the product that you buy.
> John T.
>
I use that system too and in probably 15-16 years it has worked out fine.
It is outrageously strong and the surface treatment seems to resist
corrosion perfectly. Mine is anchored into a concrete-block basement wall.
I guess that beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I am always happy
with a product that does exactly what it claims it will do.
On 9/26/2016 4:32 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> finding what I'm looking for.
>
> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>
> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> prevent bowing?
>
> Puckdropper
>
I use these that I from from Griz about 10 years ago. IIRC Woodcraft
sells this stile too. Very HD.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2535?utm_campaign=zPage
On 10/1/2016 11:51 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 10/01/2016 11:13 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 10/1/2016 10:26 AM, dpb wrote:
>>> On 10/01/2016 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> How often do you need for a board that to be over 8' or 9' long? You
>>>> can
>>>> cut them down to that length now. ;~)
>>> ...
>>>
>>> And grain pattern-matching for a specific project out of them has just
>>> gone down the drain... :( After that, you're limited to what those
>>> lengths allow which may or may not, actually make the best
>>> presentation/use of the material.
>>
>>
>> Well there is that. ;~) Unless you cut out the grain patterns now.
>
> And you propose to know where the center of the drawer is going to be in
> that sideboard commission you've yet to receive exactly how, now???
Great points and I used to save pieces for that very fact. But the
majority of the work I do depends more on the design vs. particular
grain in the wood. I had the dilemma that the OP is talking about. I
finally made the decision to not collect the odd pieces for what might
or might not happen in the future. FWIW I still have 90% of those
special boards because no project has been worthy. LOL
Anyway I no longer look for pieces to keep for a possible future project
and simply buy as needed these days and if I need a nice piece I cull
through my suppliers pile.
On a side note, the pantry cabinet I built for our home about 5 years
ago has 22 small drawers and are mated in pairs. The grain is matched
for the pairs. At eye level a pair of those drawers have grain that
looks like the Liberty bell. No one notices that.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6485170653/in/dateposted-public/
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 9/26/2016 4:32 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
>> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
>> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
>> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
>> finding what I'm looking for.
>>
>> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>>
>> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
>> prevent bowing?
>>
>> Puckdropper
>>
>
>
>I use these that I from from Griz about 10 years ago. IIRC Woodcraft
>sells this stile too. Very HD.
>
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Wood-Rack-Shelf-Bracket-Pair-/H2535?utm_campaign=zPage
When I built my shed (12'x10'), I doubled-up four of the studs along
one side, notching the inner face of each pair of studs sufficent to slide
a length of two-by-four horizontally between the the two studs for each
of the four locations across the length of the shed, and three locations
vertically (for three shelves). The center shelf currently has seven
8/4 x 8" x 120" Rgh Cherry on the outer half and twelve 4/4 x 6-7 x 96-132"
S2S Red Oak on the inner half. The lower shelf is mainly white oak, and the
top shelf is some mahogany and a 25 b.f. of dalbergia nigra (pre-CITES).
On Saturday, October 1, 2016 at 7:22:54 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> On 10/1/2016 11:51 AM, dpb wrote:
> > On 10/01/2016 11:13 AM, Leon wrote:
> >> On 10/1/2016 10:26 AM, dpb wrote:
> >>> On 10/01/2016 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>>> How often do you need for a board that to be over 8' or 9' long? You
> >>>> can
> >>>> cut them down to that length now. ;~)
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> And grain pattern-matching for a specific project out of them has just
> >>> gone down the drain... :( After that, you're limited to what those
> >>> lengths allow which may or may not, actually make the best
> >>> presentation/use of the material.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well there is that. ;~) Unless you cut out the grain patterns now.
> >
> > And you propose to know where the center of the drawer is going to be in
> > that sideboard commission you've yet to receive exactly how, now???
>
>
> Great points and I used to save pieces for that very fact. But the
> majority of the work I do depends more on the design vs. particular
> grain in the wood. I had the dilemma that the OP is talking about. I
> finally made the decision to not collect the odd pieces for what might
> or might not happen in the future. FWIW I still have 90% of those
> special boards because no project has been worthy. LOL
> Anyway I no longer look for pieces to keep for a possible future project
> and simply buy as needed these days and if I need a nice piece I cull
> through my suppliers pile.
>
> On a side note, the pantry cabinet I built for our home about 5 years
> ago has 22 small drawers and are mated in pairs. The grain is matched
> for the pairs. At eye level a pair of those drawers have grain that
> looks like the Liberty bell. No one notices that.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6485170653/in/dateposted-public/
I see a cloud in that Liberty Bell.
On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-4, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
> > I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> > to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> > options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
> > best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> > finding what I'm looking for.
> >
> > What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
> >
> > If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> > prevent bowing?
> >
> > Puckdropper
>
> I use a surplus pallet rack I got for free that looks a lot like
> this, minus the wire shelves:
> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7f44ziTE_N4/maxresdefault.jpg
>
> Mine is all green,
A Festool wood storage rack! Who knew?
> 6 shelf beams (3 shelves). It measures OD
> 98"W X 30"D X 90"H, had to take 30" off the orig height so it would
> stand up in the shop.
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> I've been thinking about wheels as well. It could then fit tight against
> the wall and then move out to the aisle when I need a piece. I think
> locking casters would be a necessity.
>
> Puckdropper
https://youtu.be/NSUwyMdPAEg?t=952
https://youtu.be/nZtIEFa3Ofk?t=338
On Saturday, October 1, 2016 at 6:22:54 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On a side note, the pantry cabinet I built for our home about 5 years
> ago has 22 small drawers and are mated in pairs. The grain is matched
> for the pairs. At eye level a pair of those drawers have grain that
> looks like the Liberty bell. No one notices that.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6485170653/in/dateposted-public/
Well, you should have strived for the Lone Star look....
Or the Long Horn look. Turn the drawers upside down and you'll see the Long Horn's head.
Sonny
On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 11:49:10 AM UTC-4, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
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> > to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving=20
> > options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me=
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> > best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actuall=
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> > finding what I'm looking for.
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> > What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
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> > If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be=
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> > prevent bowing?
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> > Puckdropper
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> Wandel's cantilevered shelves are strong and economical.
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> https://woodgears.ca/shelves/index.html
> https://woodgears.ca/shelves/garage.html
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> http://woodgears.ca/shelves/high.html
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DjhnVvcLsp-8
I did something similar in my garage for storing Soap Box Derby cars.
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the 3' deep shelves back to the studs. I then screwed short pieces of=20
horizontal 2x4's to the insides of the diagonals (perpendicular to the=20
wall) and added a ~18" deep shelf under each 3' shelf.
I had 4 sets of these (2 up, 2 across) on the side wall of my garage.
I could put a Derby car on each upper shelf and boxes of wheels, helmets
and other Derby supplies on the lower shelves. It made it easy to keep the
gear associated with each car right with each car.
These days the 3 remaining sets hold all sorts of miscellaneous garage=20
stuff. I have no clue where all that stuff was stored when the garage
was full of Derby cars. I certainly don't have any free space now that=20
the cars are gone. ;-)
On 9/26/2016 11:49 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> I like that sheet goods rack. Looks like it'll be easy to flip through
> pieces to find what I'm looking for. It looks like it could be built in
> an evening, the hardest part would literally be cutting the plywood for
> the base.
Be my guest.
I have the SketchUp file if it would help. Be glad to email it to you.
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On 26 Sep 2016 09:32:52 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
>to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
>options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
>best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
>finding what I'm looking for.
>
>What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>
>If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
>prevent bowing?
>
>Puckdropper
This product is quite robust - but a bit ugly.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?cat=3,43648&p=32145
Look around for better prices - or check the Re-Store / used outlets.
Check their " Instr" link for some install advice - good to
consider, regardless of the product that you buy.
John T.
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> finding what I'm looking for.
>
> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>
> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> prevent bowing?
>
> Puckdropper
I use a surplus pallet rack I got for free that looks a lot like
this, minus the wire shelves:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7f44ziTE_N4/maxresdefault.jpg
Mine is all green, 6 shelf beams (3 shelves). It measures OD
98"W X 30"D X 90"H, had to take 30" off the orig height so it would
stand up in the shop.
"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd
> like
> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me
> the
> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> finding what I'm looking for.
>
> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>
> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> prevent bowing?
I made my own...
My problem was that the lumber rack was to be on a concrete block
wall which would have required a lot of PITA drilling if I depended on the
CB wall for support. I didn't. Instead...
1. 5 - 2x4 uprights, floor to ceiling length
2. Uprights hooked together on edge at 24" interval by two pieces of 3/4"
ply about 5-6 inches wide set into the uprights at about 18-24" from top and
bottom of uprights.
3. Hooked together uprights were attached to wall with screws into the
furring strips under the drywall.
4. Arms are 21" 2x4s lapped on each side with pieces of 3/4" ply; the ply
pieces are longer than the 2x4 so the ply fully overlaps the uprights and
are attached to them with 2 - 1/4" bolts. Each upright has four arms.
Now, that isn't going to hold up much weight before the screws pull out of
the furring strips so...
5. I made a plinth of PT 2x4s that is butted against the uprights and
Tapconed to the floor. It has a piece of 1/4 ply on top so that sawdust
doesn't accumulate inside.
That helps hold the rack up but not all that much. What really holds it
up is...
6. A 2x4 across the front of the uprights at the ceiling and lagged to each
truss.
The top set of arms was positioned so that long pieces lumber could extend
over the top of a door. They can extend to the other side too. I could get
16' lengths on the arms but there would be a 4' overhang on each end...too
much except to get something out of the way temporarily.
At the moment I have about 1500 pounds of lumber on it, steady as a rock. I
had 200 bf of mahogany on one shelf.
On 09/26/2016 4:32 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> to use. ...
>
> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
...
In the old barn there are 6" columns 8ft on center with one side of the
driveway where old milking stalls stood having a double row only about
6ft apart. I had some old 1" shaft material so I drilled thru the
columns and inserted shaft sections extending about 2ft. That leaves
enough room to walk along. I then filled in w/ single 2X6 tied to the
mow floor joists overhead and added the intermediate sag support...
But, not everybody has a WWI-era 40x70 (roughly) barn to repurpose,
either... :) The real kicker for it as the shop is the bottom floor
height is only 7ft; there's 30ft headroom to the center beam in the mow
but that would mean arranging for getting everything up there which I'd
love to do but haven't tackled...
Puckdropper wrote:
>
> No, no, it's just that I like a nice rack... Especially one that's the
> right size for the available space.
>
> Puckdropper
>
Who doesn't like a nice rack?
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"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
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> It's not the scraps that are causing the problem, it's that I've got
> layers upon layers of various sheet goods piled against a wall.
> Reasonably sized boards are piled against another wall. It makes it hard
> to get to what I need, or even to keep in mind what I have in inventory.
> Much of my scrap problem went away with the fire pit.
>
> I've been thinking about wheels as well. It could then fit tight against
> the wall and then move out to the aisle when I need a piece. I think
> locking casters would be a necessity.
If you have the space, a separate container for sheet goods is worth while.
Mine is against one wall, perpendicular to the lumber rack. It has casters
so I can rotate it out for access if need be.
Both are handy; however, I felt a third need...someplace to put milled
pieces before assembly. In the past, they were all over everywhere; now
they reside on a wheeled rack which is about 60" tall, 48" wide and 20"+-
deep. Works for me :)
On 9/27/16 4:43 AM, Dr. Deb wrote:
>
> I started off storing horizontally but eventually went to vertical storage, simply because it
gave me better access to the wood and more storage per square foot.
>
I wish I could go vertical (9.5 foot ceilings), but 90% of my boards are
10', 12' and 16'.
I made a rack system outside, behind the shop, long enough to hold the
16's. Two tiers, 4' deep with 3"x1/4" "C" channel cross supports on 4'
centers. The outside is covered with corrugated roofing takeoffs from
reroofing the shop. Being on the south side, it gets quite warm (solar
kiln?), but holds an a$$ load of wood (several 1000 bf). The cross
supports are bolted to 2"x2" vertical steel supports on each end, sunk
into concrete piers.
Problems are that the board I want is always on the bottom and the
squirrels are impossible. The 4' spacing has never been a problem with
warping, etc. The vertical supports mean I only have access from the end
so I label each board with species and length. Lots of improvements
could be made, but at least it is no longer stacked up on the shop floor
8^).
Next would be a shed, probably 12' high, where the 'shorter' stuff could
be vertical (the only way to do it right!)
-BR
On 10/01/2016 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
...
> How often do you need for a board that to be over 8' or 9' long? You can
> cut them down to that length now. ;~)
...
And grain pattern-matching for a specific project out of them has just
gone down the drain... :( After that, you're limited to what those
lengths allow which may or may not, actually make the best
presentation/use of the material.
On 10/01/2016 11:13 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 10/1/2016 10:26 AM, dpb wrote:
>> On 10/01/2016 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> How often do you need for a board that to be over 8' or 9' long? You can
>>> cut them down to that length now. ;~)
>> ...
>>
>> And grain pattern-matching for a specific project out of them has just
>> gone down the drain... :( After that, you're limited to what those
>> lengths allow which may or may not, actually make the best
>> presentation/use of the material.
>
>
> Well there is that. ;~) Unless you cut out the grain patterns now.
And you propose to know where the center of the drawer is going to be in
that sideboard commission you've yet to receive exactly how, now???
On 10/01/2016 8:21 PM, woodchucker wrote:
...
> I would not leave my wood outside, there's too many chances that the
> bugs will set up a home, or the outside moisture becomes an issue.
...
You'd be surprised perhaps at how many professional woodworkers have
extensive outside sheds similar to that described here, then, perhaps.
Over the years pictures in Find Woodworking of various contributors'
shops have shown many such lowly storage facilities with tremendous
accumulations...
On 10/1/16 7:21 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 10/1/2016 9:59 AM, Brewster wrote:
>> On 9/27/16 4:43 AM, Dr. Deb wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I started off storing horizontally but eventually went to vertical
>>> storage, simply because it
>>
>> gave me better access to the wood and more storage per square foot.
>>>
>>
>> I wish I could go vertical (9.5 foot ceilings), but 90% of my boards are
>> 10', 12' and 16'.
>> I made a rack system outside, behind the shop, long enough to hold the
>> 16's. Two tiers, 4' deep with 3"x1/4" "C" channel cross supports on 4'
>> centers. The outside is covered with corrugated roofing takeoffs from
>> reroofing the shop. Being on the south side, it gets quite warm (solar
>> kiln?), but holds an a$$ load of wood (several 1000 bf). The cross
>> supports are bolted to 2"x2" vertical steel supports on each end, sunk
>> into concrete piers.
>>
>> Problems are that the board I want is always on the bottom and the
>> squirrels are impossible. The 4' spacing has never been a problem with
>> warping, etc. The vertical supports mean I only have access from the end
>> so I label each board with species and length. Lots of improvements
>> could be made, but at least it is no longer stacked up on the shop floor
>> 8^).
>>
>> Next would be a shed, probably 12' high, where the 'shorter' stuff could
>> be vertical (the only way to do it right!)
>>
>> -BR
>>
>
> I wish I had 9.5 foot cielings, I would do vertical storage.
>
> I would not leave my wood outside, there's too many chances that the
> bugs will set up a home, or the outside moisture becomes an issue.
>
> It's fine for construction grade lumber, but for lumber to be used for
> furniture, it's asking for trouble. You would have to acclimate it
> quite a bit longer than an indoor location. I realize many have garage
> shops, and the same moisture exists both outdoors and in the garage, but
> I would rather store it in doors.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
Points well taken!
I'm in the SW, anything over 10% humidity is sweltering 8^). Inside,
outside, the RH is always the same here.
As for bugs, the only problems are the black widows setting up home
(wish they would kill that damn squirrel)!
-BR
On 10/2/16 5:52 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 10/01/2016 8:21 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> ...
>
>> I would not leave my wood outside, there's too many chances that the
>> bugs will set up a home, or the outside moisture becomes an issue.
> ...
>
> You'd be surprised perhaps at how many professional woodworkers have
> extensive outside sheds similar to that described here, then, perhaps.
> Over the years pictures in Find Woodworking of various contributors'
> shops have shown many such lowly storage facilities with tremendous
> accumulations...
I remember David Marks' "barn-o-slabs" he showed on an episode of "Wood
Works". Around here, just keep the (rare) rain off and all is well. I do
allow for the standard settling time after initial milling.
-BR
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> finding what I'm looking for.
>
> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>
> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> prevent bowing?
>
> Puckdropper
Wandel's cantilevered shelves are strong and economical.
https://woodgears.ca/shelves/index.html
https://woodgears.ca/shelves/garage.html
http://woodgears.ca/shelves/high.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhnVvcLsp-8
On 9/26/2016 4:32 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> I've been looking at wood storage options. I have some wall space I'd like
> to use. There are some commercial racks available and some shelving
> options I've been looking at. I'm trying to figure out what'll give me the
> best bang for the buck, with a good mix of storage capacity and actually
> finding what I'm looking for.
>
> What do you guys use? Do you have any favorites?
>
> If I store boards flat on shelves, how close do the supports need to be to
> prevent bowing?
I used the wall lumber storage system from Rockler, and designed and
built a sheet goods rack to go underneath.
I don't see the racks I used on Rockler's website and it looks like
they've cheapened their offering (and raised the price), and distance
between standards they show on their website is ridiculous.
In any event, here's mine, although I'd be tempted to build them myself
today.
Wall Storage:
https://goo.gl/photos/BFCFieF6UodE7Q4c9
Sheet goods:
Dimensions:
https://goo.gl/photos/MovXFYg912iNjk6k8
As Built:
https://goo.gl/photos/985tx96GAFJai1ky6
Been using it for about five years now and I'm basically happy with it
for the size of the shop ... but it is a desperation measure due to shop
size.
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On 10/1/2016 9:59 AM, Brewster wrote:
> On 9/27/16 4:43 AM, Dr. Deb wrote:
>
>>
>> I started off storing horizontally but eventually went to vertical
>> storage, simply because it
>
> gave me better access to the wood and more storage per square foot.
>>
>
> I wish I could go vertical (9.5 foot ceilings), but 90% of my boards are
> 10', 12' and 16'.
> I made a rack system outside, behind the shop, long enough to hold the
> 16's. Two tiers, 4' deep with 3"x1/4" "C" channel cross supports on 4'
> centers. The outside is covered with corrugated roofing takeoffs from
> reroofing the shop. Being on the south side, it gets quite warm (solar
> kiln?), but holds an a$$ load of wood (several 1000 bf). The cross
> supports are bolted to 2"x2" vertical steel supports on each end, sunk
> into concrete piers.
>
> Problems are that the board I want is always on the bottom and the
> squirrels are impossible. The 4' spacing has never been a problem with
> warping, etc. The vertical supports mean I only have access from the end
> so I label each board with species and length. Lots of improvements
> could be made, but at least it is no longer stacked up on the shop floor
> 8^).
>
> Next would be a shed, probably 12' high, where the 'shorter' stuff could
> be vertical (the only way to do it right!)
>
> -BR
>
I wish I had 9.5 foot cielings, I would do vertical storage.
I would not leave my wood outside, there's too many chances that the
bugs will set up a home, or the outside moisture becomes an issue.
It's fine for construction grade lumber, but for lumber to be used for
furniture, it's asking for trouble. You would have to acclimate it
quite a bit longer than an indoor location. I realize many have garage
shops, and the same moisture exists both outdoors and in the garage, but
I would rather store it in doors.
Just my opinion.
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