I am putting up 1" foam board on the cellar walls and have a question
about "Liquid Nails" type products. The substrate is brick, our
basement wall is field stone to the ground level and 24" of brick
above that to the sill plate.
Years back (1976) I insulated a building by gluing foam board to the
concrete block using an adhesive that called for putting globs of glue
on the foam board, pressing the board to the wall, pulling back and
waiting about 10 minutes. Then when the board was pressed back onto
the wall it was THERE to stay. Great stuff!
I can't find that adhesive now. All the brands that H.D. and Lowes
carry (and several of the local lumber yards) carry are the type that
want you to press the board to the wall and brace or nail in place
until the adhesive cures. Nailing is not an option on the brick wall
and bracing is very awkward.
Any thought on where, or even if, that old type of contact adhesive is
available? Or is every thing so "safe" now that it is gone for good.
Thanks,
Errol Groff
Instructor, Machine Tool Department
H.H. Ellis Technical High School
Danielson, CT
http://neme-s.org/
New England Model Engineering Society
On Feb 15, 4:55=A0pm, Joe <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 15, 2:52=A0pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >snip<
> > There was a TV add for one of the construction adhesives where they guy=
put
> > the wood on a ceiling, hold it about 10 seconds and it is set. =A0Anyon=
e
> > remember? =A0The neighbor was banging away and this guy comes over and =
glues
> > his hammer to the ceiling. =A0Cute ad, but the brand escapes me.
>
> Might have been Permatex Super something. The hammer demo was
> possible, but a little extreme in reality. I've used a bunch on
> projects for some months, and it does work fairly fast. The other
> Permatex version is more of a regular construction adhesive and a
> little cheaper. Most of the box stores should have it. HTH
>
> Joe
Oops! Looked at the red tubes of adhesive at the project and they all
are LocTite. My error.
Whatever, pretty good stuff.
Joe
On Feb 15, 2:52=A0pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>snip<
> There was a TV add for one of the construction adhesives where they guy p=
ut
> the wood on a ceiling, hold it about 10 seconds and it is set. =A0Anyone
> remember? =A0The neighbor was banging away and this guy comes over and gl=
ues
> his hammer to the ceiling. =A0Cute ad, but the brand escapes me.
Might have been Permatex Super something. The hammer demo was
possible, but a little extreme in reality. I've used a bunch on
projects for some months, and it does work fairly fast. The other
Permatex version is more of a regular construction adhesive and a
little cheaper. Most of the box stores should have it. HTH
Joe
Errol Groff wrote:
> I am putting up 1" foam board on the cellar walls and have a question
> about "Liquid Nails" type products. The substrate is brick, our
> basement wall is field stone to the ground level and 24" of brick
> above that to the sill plate.
>
> Years back (1976) I insulated a building by gluing foam board to the
> concrete block using an adhesive that called for putting globs of glue
> on the foam board, pressing the board to the wall, pulling back and
> waiting about 10 minutes. Then when the board was pressed back onto
> the wall it was THERE to stay. Great stuff!
>
> I can't find that adhesive now. All the brands that H.D. and Lowes
> carry (and several of the local lumber yards) carry are the type that
> want you to press the board to the wall and brace or nail in place
> until the adhesive cures. Nailing is not an option on the brick wall
> and bracing is very awkward.
>
> Any thought on where, or even if, that old type of contact adhesive is
> available? Or is every thing so "safe" now that it is gone for good.
>
Use two adhesives: One, like contact cement, that's very aggressive and
another, like Liquid Nails, that takes a bit to set but is otherwise
permanent.
The key word was attic. They get really hot and will melt
most glue.
Martin
[email protected] wrote:
> be wary of the adhesive the big boxes sell for the foambaord... I used
> it in an attic, and the foamboard fell off after 6 months.... nail it
> up if you have to (furring strips
>
>
> shelly
Yeah, it's me again. You really should google (in quotes) "owens corning
basement insulation system". The furring strips embedded in the channels
hold the insulation in place and you really don't need adheisve. This is
what I used..
Dow "Wallmate" is a similar product.
"Errol Groff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I am putting up 1" foam board on the cellar walls and have a question
> about "Liquid Nails" type products. The substrate is brick, our
> basement wall is field stone to the ground level and 24" of brick
> above that to the sill plate.
>
> Years back (1976) I insulated a building by gluing foam board to the
> concrete block using an adhesive that called for putting globs of glue
> on the foam board, pressing the board to the wall, pulling back and
> waiting about 10 minutes. Then when the board was pressed back onto
> the wall it was THERE to stay. Great stuff!
>
> I can't find that adhesive now. All the brands that H.D. and Lowes
> carry (and several of the local lumber yards) carry are the type that
> want you to press the board to the wall and brace or nail in place
> until the adhesive cures. Nailing is not an option on the brick wall
> and bracing is very awkward.
>
> Any thought on where, or even if, that old type of contact adhesive is
> available? Or is every thing so "safe" now that it is gone for good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Errol Groff
>
> Instructor, Machine Tool Department
> H.H. Ellis Technical High School
> Danielson, CT
>
> http://neme-s.org/
> New England Model Engineering Society
"Errol Groff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I can't find that adhesive now. All the brands that H.D. and Lowes
> carry (and several of the local lumber yards) carry are the type that
> want you to press the board to the wall and brace or nail in place
> until the adhesive cures. Nailing is not an option on the brick wall
> and bracing is very awkward.
>
> Any thought on where, or even if, that old type of contact adhesive is
> available? Or is every thing so "safe" now that it is gone for good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Errol Groff
>
> Instructor, Machine Tool Department
> H.H. Ellis Technical High School
> Danielson, CT
I used a polyurethane adhesive in a caulking gun cartridge that had a short
bracing time and holds very well. I got it at Chase Lumber in Woodstock but
I don't recall the brand. Aubuchon also carries some but the price is about
double what Chase charges.
There was a TV add for one of the construction adhesives where they guy put
the wood on a ceiling, hold it about 10 seconds and it is set. Anyone
remember? The neighbor was banging away and this guy comes over and glues
his hammer to the ceiling. Cute ad, but the brand escapes me.
Also,I assume you know that you can't use the regular Liquid Nails on foam,
as the solvents will burn through the foam. You need to use something rated
for foam.
"Errol Groff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I am putting up 1" foam board on the cellar walls and have a question
> about "Liquid Nails" type products. The substrate is brick, our
> basement wall is field stone to the ground level and 24" of brick
> above that to the sill plate.
>
> Years back (1976) I insulated a building by gluing foam board to the
> concrete block using an adhesive that called for putting globs of glue
> on the foam board, pressing the board to the wall, pulling back and
> waiting about 10 minutes. Then when the board was pressed back onto
> the wall it was THERE to stay. Great stuff!
>
> I can't find that adhesive now. All the brands that H.D. and Lowes
> carry (and several of the local lumber yards) carry are the type that
> want you to press the board to the wall and brace or nail in place
> until the adhesive cures. Nailing is not an option on the brick wall
> and bracing is very awkward.
>
> Any thought on where, or even if, that old type of contact adhesive is
> available? Or is every thing so "safe" now that it is gone for good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Errol Groff
>
> Instructor, Machine Tool Department
> H.H. Ellis Technical High School
> Danielson, CT
>
> http://neme-s.org/
> New England Model Engineering Society
On Feb 15, 3:15=A0pm, Errol Groff <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am putting up 1" foam board on the cellar walls and have a question
> about "Liquid Nails" type products. =A0The substrate is brick, our
> basement wall is field stone to the ground level and 24" of brick
> above that to the sill plate.
>
> Years back (1976) I insulated a building by gluing foam board to the
> concrete block using an adhesive that called for putting globs of glue
> on the foam board, pressing the board to the wall, pulling back and
> waiting about 10 minutes. =A0Then when the board was pressed back onto
> the wall it was THERE to stay. =A0Great stuff!
>
> I can't find that adhesive now. =A0All the brands that H.D. and Lowes
> carry (and several of the local lumber yards) carry are the type that
> want you to press the board to the wall and brace or nail in place
> until the adhesive cures. =A0Nailing is not an option on the brick wall
> and bracing is very awkward.
>
Be careful to read labels. Some of these contain chemicals which
DISSOLVE foam board