I admit to being a bit of a slave to new tools. I like new tools. I actually
look for excuses to buy new tools. Now I've been reading about how great
these new impact drivers are, and I'm sure I'm not the only one curious. A
few questions for those in the know:
I can easily see one of these in my hand when I'm reaching over my head
trying to drive a long screw, hanging a cabinet. But how about the casework
itself ? I was reading on Woodweb, that several shops have gone exclusive
for them - they use them for assembly and every other aspect around the
shop.
Can you drill with them ? I mean pilots, c-sink etc ? Do they spin fast
enough ?
Is it really a one tool do all ?
What's the down side ?
Preferred brand (and battery type) ? I was just looking around my garage and
I see my 15.6 Panasonic batteries and charger, my Dewalt 18 XRP, batteries
and charger, my makita batteries and charger - how many different batteries
and chargers can a man stand without going insane ?
jim in fl
(maybe I should forget this and just go get a Domino)
Jim Bailey wrote:
> I admit to being a bit of a slave to new tools. I like new tools. I actually
> look for excuses to buy new tools. Now I've been reading about how great
> these new impact drivers are, and I'm sure I'm not the only one curious. A
> few questions for those in the know:
<snip>
> What's the down side ?
Except for the new (and $$$$) Makita, you can't specify a torque
setting, so all control of drive depth is up to the user.
They start spinning fairly fast, then kick over to impact mode when
there is enough resistance. You can't start a screw at a nice slow speed.
When they're in impact mode they're pretty loud.
Chris
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:05:25 -0400, Jim Bailey wrote:
> I admit to being a bit of a slave to new tools. I like new tools. I actually
> look for excuses to buy new tools. Now I've been reading about how great
> these new impact drivers are, and I'm sure I'm not the only one curious. A
> few questions for those in the know:
>
> I can easily see one of these in my hand when I'm reaching over my head
> trying to drive a long screw, hanging a cabinet. But how about the casework
> itself ? I was reading on Woodweb, that several shops have gone exclusive
> for them - they use them for assembly and every other aspect around the
> shop.
>
> Can you drill with them ? I mean pilots, c-sink etc ? Do they spin fast
> enough ?
>
> Is it really a one tool do all ?
>
> What's the down side ?
>
> Preferred brand (and battery type) ? I was just looking around my garage and
> I see my 15.6 Panasonic batteries and charger, my Dewalt 18 XRP, batteries
> and charger, my makita batteries and charger - how many different batteries
> and chargers can a man stand without going insane ?
>
> jim in fl
> (maybe I should forget this and just go get a Domino)
I've had mine for several years. It is great. I've used it to hang
cabinets and to build cabinets. Takes a few screws to get the feel of it,
but I don't have any issue with over-driving screws. I've got the Makita
and also a Makita drill. Same voltage, same charger, almost the same
battery (2.0 AH vs 2.4 AH) so they are inter-changeable.
Don't know about other brands.
A few cautions:
They are loud, wear hearing protection.
I've broken both screws and drivers, so buy good quality on both.
They can drill, and switch to impact once the torque goes up.
They do a poor job of drilling, so I just have a drill with counter sink
handy.
D. G. Adams
"charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is going to come as a shock to some - I picked up
> a Ryobi 18V impact driver, two batteries and a charger
> - on sale at the local Borg. Total was around $150, the
> pound - inches rating was up there with Bosch and Makita
> which go for $100 to $150 more. The Borg was sneaky
> though - the driver without a battery or charger - was
> around $80. Couldn't use the tool without the additional
> outlay of $70 for the batteries and charger. "Oh, if
> you already own one or more Ryobi you don't need more
> batteries and another charger."
>
> This thing doesn't have a three or four jaw chuck but
> rather a built in quick release thing that takes the
> notched 6 sided base bits and drills - so you can't use
> a simple twist drill bit or anyting with a round shank.
> Don't now about the set up with other impact drivers.
>
> The one I have has variable speed, and unlike my Panasonic
> cordless drills, has good torque at low rpms so starting
> screws or lag bolts is no problem. The variable speed
> control is pretty good - a range of speeds you can control
> without thinking about it. The high end of the rpm range
> works fine for drilling and counter sinking.
>
> The LED could be handy when working inside a piece of
> furniture - say install drawer guides - but is only on when
> the driver is running - which is too late. Would be nice
> if it came on and, if you kept squeezing the trigger, would
> begin driving.
>
> As noted by another poster, this thing is louder than
> the Panasonic, but not loud enough to require hearing
> protection - if you've already lost 20 - 25% of your
> hearing ; ) .
>
> charliel b
My kitchen installer used the Ryobi impact driver and works pretty good. The
problem I have with Ryobi is the batteries only last about two years and
doesn't hold the charge as long as it should, perhaps that's why its
$100-150 less that the more expensive brands.
This is going to come as a shock to some - I picked up
a Ryobi 18V impact driver, two batteries and a charger
- on sale at the local Borg. Total was around $150, the
pound - inches rating was up there with Bosch and Makita
which go for $100 to $150 more. The Borg was sneaky
though - the driver without a battery or charger - was
around $80. Couldn't use the tool without the additional
outlay of $70 for the batteries and charger. "Oh, if
you already own one or more Ryobi you don't need more
batteries and another charger."
This thing doesn't have a three or four jaw chuck but
rather a built in quick release thing that takes the
notched 6 sided base bits and drills - so you can't use
a simple twist drill bit or anyting with a round shank.
Don't now about the set up with other impact drivers.
The one I have has variable speed, and unlike my Panasonic
cordless drills, has good torque at low rpms so starting
screws or lag bolts is no problem. The variable speed
control is pretty good - a range of speeds you can control
without thinking about it. The high end of the rpm range
works fine for drilling and counter sinking.
The LED could be handy when working inside a piece of
furniture - say install drawer guides - but is only on when
the driver is running - which is too late. Would be nice
if it came on and, if you kept squeezing the trigger, would
begin driving.
As noted by another poster, this thing is louder than
the Panasonic, but not loud enough to require hearing
protection - if you've already lost 20 - 25% of your
hearing ; ) .
charliel b
"Jim Bailey" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I admit to being a bit of a slave to new tools. I like new tools. I
> actually look for excuses to buy new tools. Now I've been reading
> about how great these new impact drivers are, and I'm sure I'm not the
> only one curious. A few questions for those in the know:
>
> I can easily see one of these in my hand when I'm reaching over my
> head trying to drive a long screw, hanging a cabinet. But how about
> the casework itself ? I was reading on Woodweb, that several shops
> have gone exclusive for them - they use them for assembly and every
> other aspect around the shop.
>
> Can you drill with them ? I mean pilots, c-sink etc ? Do they spin
> fast enough ?
>
> Is it really a one tool do all ?
>
> What's the down side ?
>
> Preferred brand (and battery type) ? I was just looking around my
> garage and I see my 15.6 Panasonic batteries and charger, my Dewalt 18
> XRP, batteries and charger, my makita batteries and charger - how many
> different batteries and chargers can a man stand without going insane
> ?
>
> jim in fl
> (maybe I should forget this and just go get a Domino)
>
>
>
I bought a Bosch driver a couple of summers ago, and think the world of
it. It's lighter, quicker, shorter front to back, and does its thing
really well.
It does not replace a good drill/driver for drilling. And my Bosch is
not what you'd call subtle. It can bury a McFeeley's screw 1/4" deep in
cabinet grade maple plywood, if I'm not careful.
But well worth the money, and the extra battery charger, and all.
By the way, you can own a Domino AND an impact driver. It's only money.
Patriarch
Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jim Bailey wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> What's the down side ?
>
> Except for the new (and $$$$) Makita, you can't specify a torque
> setting,
You can with my Panasonic impact driver (also expensive). It includes
a digital clutch, three impact settings, and has another setting "snug
up" that turns the screw between one quarter and three quarters turns
more.
> They start spinning fairly fast, then kick over to impact mode when
> there is enough resistance. You can't start a screw at a nice slow
> speed.
Mine starts slowly, unlike the Panasonic drill that starts a little
fast.
> When they're in impact mode they're pretty loud.
The Panasonic is loud in impact mode too. The tool seems loose, but
I'm sure it's designed that way.
>
> Chris