On Sat, 09 May 2015 17:22:51 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>This could seriously be handy for a do it yourselfer.
>
>http://youtu.be/GFnYRUyBQg4
Actually, could be handy for a lot of people at $370. In my last house
I had no room for serious tools and that would have been perfect for a
few small jobs.
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 May 2015 18:16:32 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> No, you missed my point. If you are changing a tire on a dark road,
>>> you sometimes need two hands. Unless you stick the flashlight in your
>>> mouth or up your ass, there is no way to hold it and aim it exactly
>>> where needed. A regular flashlight has to be propped up on a rock or
>>> some sort of makeshift holder. This is the holder.
>>>
>>> As you point out at 0:48, --- versatility
>>
>> True - but that is a bit of overkill simply to light up a work area like
>> that. Lots of other ways can accomplish the same thing that do not pretend
>> to justify a product like this. Not buying the argument to support this
>> one.
>
> Sure, there are many ways. I have a few LED lanterns, for instance,
> great when the power goes out. It all depends on what you have where
> you are when needed. It is just one of many possibilities.
With the light pointed down and a filter over the light it could be used as
a dark room enlarger. What? :-)
In article <[email protected]>, Leon
<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> This could seriously be handy for a do it yourselfer.
>
> http://youtu.be/GFnYRUyBQg4
No longer in production...
Their website hasn't been updated since 2009, and a lot of "page not
found" messages when you poke around.
There is one listed on eBay, but it's about twice the price listed on
website.
Joe
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 09 May 2015 17:22:51 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> This could seriously be handy for a do it yourselfer.
>>
>> http://youtu.be/GFnYRUyBQg4
>
> Actually, could be handy for a lot of people at $370. In my last house
> I had no room for serious tools and that would have been perfect for a
> few small jobs.
That was my thinking. A butt saver at times.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> Took a 30 minute round trip to the shop for a ten second cut on the
>> table saw in order to be completely done with the job
>>
>> That cheesy Swiss Army tool would have come in handy.
>
> Yeahbut, so would a clamped cut with a circular saw.
If you but power tools from Harbor a Freight you can't fault this tool. :-)
Gordon Shumway <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 09 May 2015 17:22:51 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> This could seriously be handy for a do it yourselfer.
>>
>> http://youtu.be/GFnYRUyBQg4
>
> Would you be that interested in it if it wasn't green? ;-)
Probably not. LOL
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/10/2015 6:42 PM, tdacon wrote:
>>
>
>
>> And here's the higher-end CelPro line.
>>
>> http://cel-uk.com/celwork/celpro.html
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>
> Yeah, but that is European and all metric. It is hard to find metric
> lumber to cut over here.
Nowhere you know what we Festool owners have to go through. It's pretty
much Baltic birch plywood or nothing. :-)
On 5/11/2015 8:02 AM, Sonny wrote:
> On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 5:50:12 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> I don't think that was meant to be a hard use industrial grade tool. But you know, with the right warranty on that setup I could sure see it as being handy.
>
> Agreed. It would seem to have a place, in some/many small tasks.
>
>> I could see using the table saw option to cut long shims, rip trim, and make fillers.
>
> For someone without too much experience, I wonder if the saw base (storage box) is not heavy enough to keep the whole from moving, while sawing. You wouldn't want the unit to move while cutting. I suppose, I'd be strictly for small/short boards. I've never used a benchtop saw, so I'm not absolutely sure about that kind of stability, but I'd want the base stabilized, rather than just resting on the work table, which seems to be the case in the video.
Saturday morning, was installing shelves in a kitchen and a door hinge
was in the way at the height where the client wanted a shelf to go.
Obvious solution was to rip 3/8" off the back of shelf.
Since I was installing shelves and nothing else, I did not have the
usual toolbox in the truck with what was needed to rip a 15" wide shelf.
Took a 30 minute round trip to the shop for a ten second cut on the
table saw in order to be completely done with the job
That cheesy Swiss Army tool would have come in handy.
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On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 11:02:28 AM UTC-4, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message=20
> news:[email protected]...
>=20
> >This could seriously be handy for a do it yourselfer.
>=20
> >http://youtu.be/GFnYRUyBQg4
>=20
>=20
> This strikes me as the kind of thing you'd give to a teenager so he/she=
=20
> could make things... same experiential learning bucket as Erector Sets an=
d=20
> Chemistry kits... I had access to a Shopsmith for that purpose when I wa=
s a=20
> kid. In regards to both, they have no place in my shop today.
>=20
> John
The key to giving this type of set-up to a beginner is to ensure (and hopef=
ully to even show them) that for all of its versatility, it should not be c=
onsidered a *real* tablesaw, drill press, scroll saw, etc. While the commo=
n saying is that a craftsman never blames his tools, we have to take that w=
ith a grain of salt.
When my daughter moved out, I wanted to get her some basic tools so she cou=
ld tighten a screw, hammer a nail or bend a bracket if need be. Even though=
she is not really a girly-girl, I looked at some of the "pink tool kits" t=
hey make for women. All I was trying to do was soften the "industrial look"=
of the tool kit I was getting her. What I found was that the quality of th=
ose pink tool kits is extremely poor and not something that you want to use=
to teach a beginner basic repair skills.
For example, if my daughter was trying to fix something and the pliers bent=
or the screwdriver tip rounded over, what will she likely take away from t=
he experience? "I can't do this. I hate fixing things." Since she has nothi=
ng to compare the quality of the tools to, she can only assume it was her f=
ault. While I didn't buy her a set of Festool pliers, I also stayed away fr=
om those crappy 150 piece "everything a homeowner needs" bundles. I hand-pi=
cked some decent quality tools and built her a kit that could handle the ty=
pes of repair jobs she might have to deal with. Now when she runs into some=
thing that her tools can't handle, she in generally aware that she really c=
an blame the tools, not herself.
The same goes for the all-in-one kit we're discussing here. Without anythin=
g to compare the kit to (plus the fact that Dad/Grandpa/Uncle Bob gave it t=
o the teenager) there's the chance the beginner will think that that is wha=
t a "real" tool is like, while the more experienced of us know that it is n=
ot.
On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 5:50:12 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> I don't think that was meant to be a hard use industrial grade tool. But=
you know, with the right warranty on that setup I could sure see it as bei=
ng handy. =20
Agreed. It would seem to have a place, in some/many small tasks.
> I could see using the table saw option to cut long shims, rip trim, and m=
ake fillers.=20
For someone without too much experience, I wonder if the saw base (storage =
box) is not heavy enough to keep the whole from moving, while sawing. You=
wouldn't want the unit to move while cutting. I suppose, I'd be strictly=
for small/short boards. I've never used a benchtop saw, so I'm not abso=
lutely sure about that kind of stability, but I'd want the base stabilized,=
rather than just resting on the work table, which seems to be the case in =
the video.
Sonny
I don't think that was meant to be a hard use industrial grade tool. But y=
ou know, with the right warranty on that setup I could sure see it as being=
handy. Go do the punch out list on your latest job? Everything in the ba=
g.
And even better, speaking as a guy that has had his work truck broken into =
8 times, I like the idea of being able to put that many tools in the trunk =
of a car or in the half cab of the truck with a blanket over the box to hid=
e the tools.
I thought it was clever to have it all in one including your driver bits an=
d drill bits. Like the idea of being in a house under the cabinets and hav=
ing a light I could keep off the counters or on the floor that I could dire=
ct to a work/repair area.
I have found that I don't seem to use my tools nearly as hard as the weeken=
d or "serious woodworker" guys do so that set looked pretty handy. I could=
see using the table saw option to cut long shims, rip trim, and make fille=
rs. I could see the drill press used to set a Euro hinge or two (not produ=
ction) on a replacement door. I while I had the case open to get out the d=
rill, it would be pretty neat to get out the light and mount it next to a d=
oor lock that had hard to fit parts. I thought the jig saw would be great =
to set a a new or replacement cabinet in a bathroom that had to have pipes =
marked and cut out of the back of a cabinet. For a medium duty work day, t=
hat set should fill the bill for someone, especially a professional that kn=
ew how far he could push tools like that.
Mostly, I like it because you have all that stuff in one place and can simp=
ly take it in the house or garage when you return from a job, or if traveli=
ng and working, take all your major tools into your hotel room in one mediu=
m sized tote.
Not sure I would obsess about the flashlight... didn't understand that.
Robert
On 5/10/2015 6:26 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
[snip]
>
> I'm not saying I was right (yes I am) but that is often the fate of tools that try to be all things to all people. Using one battery for a multitude of tools is one thing, trying to be a battery operated Shopsmith is very different.
>
> BTW...What's the deal with the "flashlight on the pole" set-up? That seems like a lot of work just to get a flashlight to point where you want to. A direct replacement for this, it's not. ;-)
>
That's the problem with so multi-purpose "whatevers"... They are so
impressed with their ability to be all things to all men they get just
plain silly.
Just imagine selling SWMBO on the Power8 for your home: "Look dear, if
I just put this 1½" spade bit in the drill, mount it in its drill press
configuration, you can take a short cup or glass and use it as a
stationary mixer!"
or
"If I just heat up the end of this sabre saw blade, bend it over at 90
degrees and use it in the sabre saw, look what a great muddler it
becomes for those Old Fashioneds that you love to drink. Really mashes
the fruit well, doesn't it?"
Still, as others have pointed out, the "shop in a box" concept will be
just the thing for some. Say, the apartment/condo dweller who's not
totally clueless and wants to do some minor jobs.
On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 1:41:56 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/11/2015 8:02 AM, Sonny wrote:
> > On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 5:50:12 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> >> I don't think that was meant to be a hard use industrial grade tool. =
But you know, with the right warranty on that setup I could sure see it as =
being handy.
> >
> > Agreed. It would seem to have a place, in some/many small tasks.
> >
> >> I could see using the table saw option to cut long shims, rip trim, an=
d make fillers.
> >
> > For someone without too much experience, I wonder if the saw base (stor=
age box) is not heavy enough to keep the whole from moving, while sawing. =
You wouldn't want the unit to move while cutting. I suppose, I'd be stri=
ctly for small/short boards. I've never used a benchtop saw, so I'm not =
absolutely sure about that kind of stability, but I'd want the base stabili=
zed, rather than just resting on the work table, which seems to be the case=
in the video.
>=20
> Saturday morning, was installing shelves in a kitchen and a door hinge=20
> was in the way at the height where the client wanted a shelf to go.
>=20
> Obvious solution was to rip 3/8" off the back of shelf.
>=20
> Since I was installing shelves and nothing else, I did not have the=20
> usual toolbox in the truck with what was needed to rip a 15" wide shelf.
>=20
> Took a 30 minute round trip to the shop for a ten second cut on the=20
> table saw in order to be completely done with the job
>=20
> That cheesy Swiss Army tool would have come in handy.
>=20
...and then you could have used the flashlight on the pole to light up the =
inside of the cabinet. ;-)
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>>
>>> Try:
>>>
>>> https://cel-usa.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like $499.00 gets it done with LI battery.
-------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>> Make that $499.99.
-------------------------------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
3rd time is charm, $499.95 will do it.
----------------------------------------------------------
"Swingman" wrote:
> Actually, there have been times when I would have paid, and/or saved
> that much in time and travel, to have had the capability to do just
> one of the tasks this cheesy Swiss Army tool would do, despite the
> precision, or robustness, or lack thereof of the product.
>
> Would be nice to be gifted one, just to have in the back of the
> truck, in that awful event...
-----------------------------------------------------------
Same with a cruising sailor who has to account for every cubic inch of
interior space.
Covers a lot of ground, especially when there are no hardware stores
at sea.
Looks they have a 24 VDC product line which offers a cordless
device to complete with the Fein multi device.
Great for people who want to lay a new floor.
Lew
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:h_-dnV0YTuhKVM3InZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
>
> Yeah, but that is European and all metric. It is hard to find metric
> lumber to cut over here.
That's because they haven't begun growing those infernal metric trees yet.
If they do, I hope they change over at once because this dueling system
thing is annoying!
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> That is not a very good suggestion. If you use up the battery doing
> puppet shows you won't be able to use the table saw while the power is
> off.
>
> Granted, with no power you would be using the table saw in the dark,
> but that's an entirely different issue.
That might be a good time to change the tires on your bandsaw. Then it
might be worth setting the light up on the stand. :-)
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On Sun, 10 May 2015 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>BTW...What's the deal with the "flashlight on the pole" set-up? That seems like a lot of work just to get a flashlight to point where you want to. A direct replacement for this, it's not. ;-)
>
>http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/5d/5dff1e5c-1ac0-4c1b-88d6-921168643b01_400.jpg
>
Not, it is better in the right circumstances. Chances are you'd not
have the kit in the trunk, but did you ever change a tire in the dark
on a country road with no one to hold a flashlight? Where would you
plug in your lights?
How about a camping trip? On a boat?
Swingman wrote:
>> Took a 30 minute round trip to the shop for a ten second cut on the
>> table saw in order to be completely done with the job
>>
>> That cheesy Swiss Army tool would have come in handy.
---------------------------------------------
Since it uses the Festool colors, cheesy may place a whole new
perspective on things.
Lew
On Tue, 12 May 2015 07:55:17 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Took a 30 minute round trip to the shop for a ten second cut on the
>>> table saw in order to be completely done with the job
>>>
>>> That cheesy Swiss Army tool would have come in handy.
>>
>> Yeahbut, so would a clamped cut with a circular saw.
>
>
>If you but power tools from Harbor a Freight you can't fault this tool. :-)
Just stain it to look like pine and no one will know. You can even
buy knot decals.
On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 11:00:26 AM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 5/13/2015 12:05 AM, Leon wrote:
> > Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 10 May 2015 18:16:32 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >> Sure, there are many ways. I have a few LED lanterns, for instance,
> >> great when the power goes out. It all depends on what you have where
> >> you are when needed. It is just one of many possibilities.
> >
> > With the light pointed down and a filter over the light it could be used as
> > a dark room enlarger. What? :-)
>
>
> Next extended power outage when the kids get bored, you can set it up
> and give them a shadow puppet show!
That is not a very good suggestion. If you use up the battery doing puppet shows you won't be able to use the table saw while the power is off.
Granted, with no power you would be using the table saw in the dark, but that's an entirely different issue.
On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 5:10:40 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 10 May 2015 10:20:11 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> >>=20
> >> Not, it is better in the right circumstances. Chances are you'd not
> >> have the kit in the trunk, but did you ever change a tire in the dark
> >> on a country road with no one to hold a flashlight? Where would you
> >> plug in your lights? =20
> >>=20
> >> How about a camping trip? On a boat?
> >
> >Perhaps you missed my point. Each of the attachments can be mounted on t=
he "base" so it can imitate a stationary tool: A drill press, a scroll saw,=
a table saw and yes, a work light on a pole.=20
> >
> >At 0:48 he attaches the flashlight to the battery, stands it up on the w=
orkbench and alters the angle to show it's versatility.
>=20
>=20
> No, you missed my point. If you are changing a tire on a dark road,
> you sometimes need two hands. Unless you stick the flashlight in your
> mouth or up your ass, there is no way to hold it and aim it exactly
> where needed. A regular flashlight has to be propped up on a rock or
> some sort of makeshift holder. This is the holder. =20
>=20
> As you point out at 0:48, --- versatility
At 0:48 the flashlight is used with the battery base which stands up on it'=
s own and then allows the head to be angled at various positions. Tell me w=
hy anyone would choose to set up the kit's base and pole instead of just us=
ing the battery base flashlight while changing the tire?
Are you saying that you couldn't find a way to position the battery base fl=
ashlight to aim the light where you need it? I have more faith in you than =
that. If you can position one of the lanterns you mentioned in another post=
, I'm sure that you don't need the kit base and pole to aim the flashlight =
at that flat.
BTW...if you put the flashlight up your ass I believe it would be pointed i=
n the wrong direction.
On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/10/2015 6:42 PM, tdacon wrote:
> >
>
>
> > And here's the higher-end CelPro line.
> >
> > http://cel-uk.com/celwork/celpro.html
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, but that is European and all metric. It is hard to find metric
> lumber to cut over here.
I have an imperial flashlight and a metric flashlight so I can change tires in any country. ;-)
On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 6:52:33 AM UTC-4, Just Another Joe wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Leon
> <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
> > This could seriously be handy for a do it yourselfer.
> >
> > http://youtu.be/GFnYRUyBQg4
>
> No longer in production...
>
> Their website hasn't been updated since 2009, and a lot of "page not
> found" messages when you poke around.
>
> There is one listed on eBay, but it's about twice the price listed on
> website.
>
> Joe
I'm not saying I was right (yes I am) but that is often the fate of tools that try to be all things to all people. Using one battery for a multitude of tools is one thing, trying to be a battery operated Shopsmith is very different.
BTW...What's the deal with the "flashlight on the pole" set-up? That seems like a lot of work just to get a flashlight to point where you want to. A direct replacement for this, it's not. ;-)
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/5d/5dff1e5c-1ac0-4c1b-88d6-921168643b01_400.jpg
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> writes:
>On Sun, 10 May 2015 10:20:11 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>> Not, it is better in the right circumstances. Chances are you'd not
>>> have the kit in the trunk, but did you ever change a tire in the dark
>>> on a country road with no one to hold a flashlight? Where would you
>>> plug in your lights?
>>>
>>> How about a camping trip? On a boat?
>>
>>Perhaps you missed my point. Each of the attachments can be mounted on the "base" so it can imitate a stationary tool: A drill press, a scroll saw, a table saw and yes, a work light on a pole.
>>
>>At 0:48 he attaches the flashlight to the battery, stands it up on the workbench and alters the angle to show it's versatility.
>
>
>No, you missed my point. If you are changing a tire on a dark road,
>you sometimes need two hands.
That's why I keep one of those headlamps in the glove box.
On 5/9/2015 10:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> My concern is that most all-in-one tools tend to have one thing in common:
>
> It's great that they can do all things, but they rarely do any one of those things great.
>
I think that would go with out saying. BUT if you are a person that is
responsible for minor items that need to be fixed, this may be just the
ticket to turn to, when in a bind.
On 5/10/2015 5:16 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>
>> No, you missed my point. If you are changing a tire on a dark road,
>> you sometimes need two hands. Unless you stick the flashlight in your
>> mouth or up your ass, there is no way to hold it and aim it exactly
>> where needed. A regular flashlight has to be propped up on a rock or
>> some sort of makeshift holder. This is the holder.
>>
>> As you point out at 0:48, --- versatility
>
> True - but that is a bit of overkill simply to light up a work area like
> that. Lots of other ways can accomplish the same thing that do not pretend
> to justify a product like this. Not buying the argument to support this
> one.
>
May not be overkill to some if the tool is already in the vehicle.
Might as well use it.
On 5/10/2015 7:17 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "jloomis" wrote:
>
>> Good point....
>> It is a great idea, and maybe good for some hobby person?
>> john
> ------------------------------------------
> As long as you are willing to accept the same kind of PITA
> limitations you face with a ShopSmith, it can be a good deal.
>
> Lew
>
>
I was wondering why the animal rights group may have had an issue with
it. LOL
"Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>On Mon, 11 May 2015 11:03:21 -0400
>"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> This strikes me as the kind of thing you'd give to a teenager so
>> he/she could make things... same experiential learning bucket as
>> Erector Sets and Chemistry kits... I had access to a Shopsmith for
>> that purpose when I was a kid. In regards to both, they have no place
>> in my shop today.
>agree
>the target demographic is specific but i think the price misses the
>target demographic
>a small scale model maker might like to have one handy but $500
>is a lot of money for a teenager or the parent of a teenager
>the table saw demo was cringe worthy
In constant dollars (i.e., adjusted for inflation) the price is probably
pretty close to what the big Erector Sets and Chemistry Kits cost when I was
a kid...
On 5/11/2015 4:21 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> Took a 30 minute round trip to the shop for a ten second cut on the
>> table saw in order to be completely done with the job
>>
>> That cheesy Swiss Army tool would have come in handy.
>
> Yeahbut, so would a clamped cut with a circular saw.
>
Jack up right rear tire. Start truck and put in gear. Run the board
against the tire tread until you reach the desired dimension.
For thicker than 1" it is best to use snow tires for faster wood removal.
On 5/15/2015 1:25 AM, OFWW wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2015 08:23:51 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 5/9/2015 10:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> My concern is that most all-in-one tools tend to have one thing in common:
>>>
>>> It's great that they can do all things, but they rarely do any one of those things great.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think that would go with out saying. BUT if you are a person that is
>> responsible for minor items that need to be fixed, this may be just the
>> ticket to turn to, when in a bind.
>
> Like a handyman maintenance person for apt buildings, etc.
>
Exactly, before calling in the big guns for simple and minor repairs.
On 5/10/2015 5:10 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>
>> Try:
>>
>> https://cel-usa.com/
>>
>>
>> Looks like $499.00 gets it done with LI battery.
> -------------------------------------
> Make that $499.99.
Actually, there have been times when I would have paid, and/or saved
that much in time and travel, to have had the capability to do just one
of the tasks this cheesy Swiss Army tool would do, despite the
precision, or robustness, or lack thereof of the product.
Would be nice to be gifted one, just to have in the back of the truck,
in that awful event...
:)
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"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That's why I keep one of those headlamps in the glove box.
>
I've had the little Ryobi 4W in my truck for six or seven years.
Excellent, compact light.
Dave in SoTex
On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 7:54:03 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 10 May 2015 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> >BTW...What's the deal with the "flashlight on the pole" set-up? That see=
ms like a lot of work just to get a flashlight to point where you want to. =
A direct replacement for this, it's not. ;-)
> >
> >http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/5d/5dff1e5c-1ac0-4c1b=
-88d6-921168643b01_400.jpg
> >
>=20
> Not, it is better in the right circumstances. Chances are you'd not
> have the kit in the trunk, but did you ever change a tire in the dark
> on a country road with no one to hold a flashlight? Where would you
> plug in your lights? =20
>=20
> How about a camping trip? On a boat?
Perhaps you missed my point. Each of the attachments can be mounted on the =
"base" so it can imitate a stationary tool: A drill press, a scroll saw, a =
table saw and yes, a work light on a pole.=20
At 0:48 he attaches the flashlight to the battery, stands it up on the work=
bench and alters the angle to show it's versatility.
At 4:48 he attaches the flashlight to the pole on the kit and alters the an=
gle to show it's versatility. (Sound familiar?)
Even if I *did* have the kit with me when I got a flat tire or was camping =
or was on my boat, why would I attach the flashlight head to the pole on th=
e kit? Why wouldn't I just use the flashlight head and battery pack? It wou=
ld certainly be much more convenient to carry the smaller combination to th=
e trunk to find the tools or to find the bathroom while camping than to car=
ry the whole kit.
At 2:40 of this video, the lady uses the "portable light table" to illumina=
te her plumbing job. Why would she use the table when she could simply stan=
d the flashlight up and accomplish the same task and with much more portabi=
lity?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFPvUn1bswxU
I suppose that maybe, just maybe, if I had the kit already set up for some =
other purpose and suddenly needed a pole mounted work light for some down l=
ighting on the table itself, I might attach the flashlight head to the pole=
. Other than that, I just don't see a situation where that particular featu=
re is useful.
On Sun, 10 May 2015 18:16:32 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>
>> No, you missed my point. If you are changing a tire on a dark road,
>> you sometimes need two hands. Unless you stick the flashlight in your
>> mouth or up your ass, there is no way to hold it and aim it exactly
>> where needed. A regular flashlight has to be propped up on a rock or
>> some sort of makeshift holder. This is the holder.
>>
>> As you point out at 0:48, --- versatility
>
>True - but that is a bit of overkill simply to light up a work area like
>that. Lots of other ways can accomplish the same thing that do not pretend
>to justify a product like this. Not buying the argument to support this
>one.
Sure, there are many ways. I have a few LED lanterns, for instance,
great when the power goes out. It all depends on what you have where
you are when needed. It is just one of many possibilities.
On 5/13/2015 12:05 AM, Leon wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 May 2015 18:16:32 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
>> Sure, there are many ways. I have a few LED lanterns, for instance,
>> great when the power goes out. It all depends on what you have where
>> you are when needed. It is just one of many possibilities.
>
> With the light pointed down and a filter over the light it could be used as
> a dark room enlarger. What? :-)
Next extended power outage when the kids get bored, you can set it up
and give them a shadow puppet show!
On 5/10/2015 9:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Are you saying that you couldn't find a way to position the battery base flashlight to aim the light where you need it? I have more faith in you than that. If you can position one of the lanterns you mentioned in another post, I'm sure that you don't need the kit base and pole to aim the flashlight at that flat.
>
I'm saying it is possible. There are many potential situations changing
tires on a car, truck, tractor, whatever where it may be handy.
> BTW...if you put the flashlight up your ass I believe it would be pointed in the wrong direction.
>
If you insert it correctly, you head gives off a nice warm glow.
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>This could seriously be handy for a do it yourselfer.
>http://youtu.be/GFnYRUyBQg4
This strikes me as the kind of thing you'd give to a teenager so he/she
could make things... same experiential learning bucket as Erector Sets and
Chemistry kits... I had access to a Shopsmith for that purpose when I was a
kid. In regards to both, they have no place in my shop today.
John
Leon wrote:
> This could seriously be handy for a do it yourselfer.
>
> http://youtu.be/GFnYRUyBQg4
Oh - you only like it because it has green on it...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> No, you missed my point. If you are changing a tire on a dark road,
> you sometimes need two hands. Unless you stick the flashlight in your
> mouth or up your ass, there is no way to hold it and aim it exactly
> where needed. A regular flashlight has to be propped up on a rock or
> some sort of makeshift holder. This is the holder.
>
> As you point out at 0:48, --- versatility
True - but that is a bit of overkill simply to light up a work area like
that. Lots of other ways can accomplish the same thing that do not pretend
to justify a product like this. Not buying the argument to support this
one.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"Just Another Joe" wrote:
> No longer in production...
---------------------------------------
Try:
https://cel-usa.com/
And here's the higher-end CelPro line.
http://cel-uk.com/celwork/celpro.html
Tom
Good point....
It is a great idea, and maybe good for some hobby person?
john
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
My concern is that most all-in-one tools tend to have one thing in common:
It's great that they can do all things, but they rarely do any one of those
things great.
On 5/10/2015 1:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 7:54:03 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 May 2015 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> BTW...What's the deal with the "flashlight on the pole" set-up? That seems like a lot of work just to get a flashlight to point where you want to. A direct replacement for this, it's not. ;-)
>>>
>>> http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/5d/5dff1e5c-1ac0-4c1b-88d6-921168643b01_400.jpg
>>>
>>
>> Not, it is better in the right circumstances. Chances are you'd not
>> have the kit in the trunk, but did you ever change a tire in the dark
>> on a country road with no one to hold a flashlight? Where would you
>> plug in your lights?
>>
>> How about a camping trip? On a boat?
>
> Perhaps you missed my point. Each of the attachments can be mounted on the "base" so it can imitate a stationary tool: A drill press, a scroll saw, a table saw and yes, a work light on a pole.
>
> At 0:48 he attaches the flashlight to the battery, stands it up on the workbench and alters the angle to show it's versatility.
>
> At 4:48 he attaches the flashlight to the pole on the kit and alters the angle to show it's versatility. (Sound familiar?)
>
> Even if I *did* have the kit with me when I got a flat tire or was camping or was on my boat, why would I attach the flashlight head to the pole on the kit? Why wouldn't I just use the flashlight head and battery pack? It would certainly be much more convenient to carry the smaller combination to the trunk to find the tools or to find the bathroom while camping than to carry the whole kit.
>
> At 2:40 of this video, the lady uses the "portable light table" to illuminate her plumbing job. Why would she use the table when she could simply stand the flashlight up and accomplish the same task and with much more portability?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPvUn1bswxU
>
> I suppose that maybe, just maybe, if I had the kit already set up for some other purpose and suddenly needed a pole mounted work light for some down lighting on the table itself, I might attach the flashlight head to the pole. Other than that, I just don't see a situation where that particular feature is useful.
>
LOL...I love those ads/infomercials that exaggerate the problems to
which their product will solve.
On Mon, 11 May 2015 11:03:21 -0400
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> This strikes me as the kind of thing you'd give to a teenager so
> he/she could make things... same experiential learning bucket as
> Erector Sets and Chemistry kits... I had access to a Shopsmith for
> that purpose when I was a kid. In regards to both, they have no place
> in my shop today.
agree
the target demographic is specific but i think the price misses the
target demographic
a small scale model maker might like to have one handy but $500
is a lot of money for a teenager or the parent of a teenager
the table saw demo was cringe worthy
On Mon, 11 May 2015 06:02:23 -0700, Sonny wrote:
> For someone without too much experience, I wonder if the saw base
> (storage box) is not heavy enough to keep the whole from moving, while
> sawing.
> You wouldn't want the unit to move while cutting. I suppose, I'd be
> strictly for small/short boards. I've never used a benchtop saw, so
> I'm not absolutely sure about that kind of stability, but I'd want the
> base stabilized, rather than just resting on the work table, which seems
> to be the case in the video.
I suspect that some of that shelf matting they sell for RVs to keep the
dishes from moving around would do the trick if the box has a reasonable
amount of weight.
Swingman wrote:
>
> Took a 30 minute round trip to the shop for a ten second cut on the
> table saw in order to be completely done with the job
>
> That cheesy Swiss Army tool would have come in handy.
Yeahbut, so would a clamped cut with a circular saw.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 1:41:56 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
>> Took a 30 minute round trip to the shop for a ten second cut on the
>> table saw in order to be completely done with the job
>>
>> That cheesy Swiss Army tool would have come in handy.
>>
>
> ...and then you could have used the flashlight on the pole to light
> up the inside of the cabinet. ;-)
Or - to light up the truck tire to change it on the side of the road on the
way home...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Mon, 11 May 2015 22:50:46 -0400
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> In constant dollars (i.e., adjusted for inflation) the price is
> probably pretty close to what the big Erector Sets and Chemistry Kits
> cost when I was a kid...
they were expensive too but this gadget would probably be cheap
compared adjusting an erector set price for inflation
but $500 is still a lot of money and they could get rid of the
flashlight to shave off some $
On Wed, 13 May 2015 10:07:37 -0700
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
this graphic
https://i.imgur.com/nBN0mbS.jpg
would support the contention that thiss gadget is cheaper most likely
than an erector or chemistry set
but i don't recall the prices on either of those sets
$100-150 is my guess
DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 11:00:26 AM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>> On 5/13/2015 12:05 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 10 May 2015 18:16:32 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> Sure, there are many ways. I have a few LED lanterns, for instance,
>>>> great when the power goes out. It all depends on what you have where
>>>> you are when needed. It is just one of many possibilities.
>>> With the light pointed down and a filter over the light it could be used as
>>> a dark room enlarger. What? :-)
>>
>> Next extended power outage when the kids get bored, you can set it up
>> and give them a shadow puppet show!
> That is not a very good suggestion. If you use up the battery doing puppet shows you won't be able to use the table saw while the power is off.
>
> Granted, with no power you would be using the table saw in the dark, but that's an entirely different issue.
Nobody said it, but I think it's an inherent "problem" with the tool.
It's dangerous, while looking like a Suzy-bake oven.
On Sun, 10 May 2015 10:20:11 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Not, it is better in the right circumstances. Chances are you'd not
>> have the kit in the trunk, but did you ever change a tire in the dark
>> on a country road with no one to hold a flashlight? Where would you
>> plug in your lights?
>>
>> How about a camping trip? On a boat?
>
>Perhaps you missed my point. Each of the attachments can be mounted on the "base" so it can imitate a stationary tool: A drill press, a scroll saw, a table saw and yes, a work light on a pole.
>
>At 0:48 he attaches the flashlight to the battery, stands it up on the workbench and alters the angle to show it's versatility.
No, you missed my point. If you are changing a tire on a dark road,
you sometimes need two hands. Unless you stick the flashlight in your
mouth or up your ass, there is no way to hold it and aim it exactly
where needed. A regular flashlight has to be propped up on a rock or
some sort of makeshift holder. This is the holder.
As you point out at 0:48, --- versatility
On Mon, 11 May 2015 08:23:51 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 5/9/2015 10:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> My concern is that most all-in-one tools tend to have one thing in common:
>>
>> It's great that they can do all things, but they rarely do any one of those things great.
>>
>
>
>I think that would go with out saying. BUT if you are a person that is
>responsible for minor items that need to be fixed, this may be just the
>ticket to turn to, when in a bind.
Like a handyman maintenance person for apt buildings, etc.
On 5/11/2015 10:35 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/10/2015 6:42 PM, tdacon wrote:
>>
>
>
>> And here's the higher-end CelPro line.
>>
>> http://cel-uk.com/celwork/celpro.html
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>
> Yeah, but that is European and all metric. It is hard to find metric
> lumber to cut over here.
You should be ashamed of yourself, Ed! It was pretty damn funny however!