CW wrote:
> Didn't you know? The asbestos Nazis have determined that just looking at it
> will kill you and your children.
>
Absolutely right. Frightening stuff.
I remember driving up through Vermont's Northeast Kingdom to Quebec
city years ago and seeing those huge open pit asbestos mines. Can't
remember if they were in Vermont or Quebec, but I think Quebec.
Thetford Mines, maybe? I do hope that Canada has covered them with
fiberglass, or set up a negative pressure tent over them. Or at least
posted armed guards. What will happen if the wind blows our way? Or a
terrorist grabs up a handful (at severe personal risk, of course),
smuggles it across the border, and releases it in Washington? Too
terrible to even think about.
John Martin
Leon wrote:
Plus the new freon is supposidly more
> directly harmful to humans than the old. That's probably why the new safer
> freon must still be captured and not let back into the atmosphere when a
> mechanic works on an AC system.
>
It has to be recovered because the EPA was getting pissed that people
were not recovering all refrigerants, only R12.
The 134A you buy for refrigeration is the same chemical that is in the
cans of compressed air for cleaning computers and such.
Nate
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:48:11 GMT, the opaque "Leon"
<[email protected]> clearly wrote:
>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Didn't you know? The asbestos Nazis have determined that just looking at
>> it
>> will kill you and your children.
>
>I am beginning to think that asbestos is only a real danger to those
>removing it.
Given that more than 90% of the asbestos in the world is the entirely
less dangerous type, even -that- can't be altogether true. (Just don't
breathe any organic/inorganic dust daily for decades, please.)
Great mythical fears of our time: Asbestos, Global Warming, DDT,
Overpopulation, Freon, Silicone Breast Implants, Nuclear Power,
Guns, ad nauseum...
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:43:01 -0500, Duane Bozarth <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>>
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:LkCye.33953$Cm6.20924@trndny02...
>> >
>> > "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> I am beginning to think that asbestos is only a real danger to those
>> >> removing it.
>> >
>> > To prevent it from spreading, wipe it down with acetone
>> >
>> Does that melt the fibers back together?
>
> No, but it seals in the PCBs...
I've always heard that a spray-bottle with dioxins in it was best for
that.
Leon wrote:
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:LkCye.33953$Cm6.20924@trndny02...
> >
> > "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>
> >> I am beginning to think that asbestos is only a real danger to those
> >> removing it.
> >
> > To prevent it from spreading, wipe it down with acetone
> >
> Does that melt the fibers back together?
No, but it seals in the PCBs...
On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 19:30:32 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:07:27 -0400, "Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I like the idea of a slate type surface better than the paint..
>
>Painted plywood is easier to chalk on than real slate.
I chalked on real slate for decades with no problem, so I don't know
where you get "easier" from. plywood is easier to cut and weigh a lot
less. The only disadvantage to slate is weight and cutting to size,
but even that's nothing to worry about in small doses.
Big advantage: When the kids are grown, use it as a sharpening stone.
You can cut it up and make boxes and sell it as oilstones, and more
than pay for slate and labour.
Possible source: Boards of education scrap schools, and you might be
able to scrounge a huge piece like I did.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:LkCye.33953$Cm6.20924@trndny02...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> I am beginning to think that asbestos is only a real danger to those
>> removing it.
>
> To prevent it from spreading, wipe it down with acetone
>
Does that melt the fibers back together?
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 03:36:58 GMT, Leon <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Shush. You don't want to say that to loud. There is an entire industry
>> who's
>> living depends on keeping people scared. Wouldn't want to let the secret
>> out.
>
>
> I hear you, like the Dupont Freon thing. Thanks to Dupont we now have a
> Freon that is more directly harmful to humans vs. from the scare of
> depleting the ozone layer which was in worse shape in the 1920's. Shall we
> talk about the mold industry now. LOL.
>
Am I the only one who noticed that Freon was "banned" (though it's still
easily available in the Third World) just as soon as DuPont's patent
protection ran out?
Funny that, no?
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Didn't you know? The asbestos Nazis have determined that just looking at
> it
> will kill you and your children.
I am beginning to think that asbestos is only a real danger to those
removing it.
Didn't you know? The asbestos Nazis have determined that just looking at it
will kill you and your children.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > Careful its not painted asbestos board, we're still removing those.....
> >
>
> Why? It is perfectly safe and won't burn. Just use caution and proper
gear
> if you are cutting it.
>
>
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I am beginning to think that asbestos is only a real danger to those
> removing it.
To prevent it from spreading, wipe it down with acetone
Badger wrote:
>
> As I've seen the end result of asbestos exposure first hand I can say
> its a terrible way to die....
Same here.
My FIL installed asbestos in the late 50's to the 70's. Many of his
friends and co-workers slowly died, the rest have weird coughs. The
government is still tracking the results of exposure with yearly chest
scans, and continual data gathering.
If it's undisturbed, the hazards are minimal. Working with it, or
exposure to loose, damaged material is a whole 'nuther ballgame.
Barry
Badger <[email protected]> writes:
>CW wrote:
>> Shush. You don't want to say that to loud. There is an entire industry who's
>> living depends on keeping people scared. Wouldn't want to let the secret
>> out.
>>
>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>I am beginning to think that asbestos is only a real danger to those
>>>removing it.
>
>As I've seen the end result of asbestos exposure first hand I can say
>its a terrible way to die....
So is getting crushed in a car accident, which is _far_ _far_ more likely
than mesothelioma or asbestosis, especially in the general population.
One viewpoint:
<http://cis.nci.nih.gov/fact/3_21.htm>
Another viewpoint:
<http://www.jamesphogan.com/bb/content/111202.shtml>
"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Careful its not painted asbestos board, we're still removing those.....
>
Why? It is perfectly safe and won't burn. Just use caution and proper gear
if you are cutting it.
CW wrote:
> Shush. You don't want to say that to loud. There is an entire industry who's
> living depends on keeping people scared. Wouldn't want to let the secret
> out.
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>I am beginning to think that asbestos is only a real danger to those
>>removing it.
As I've seen the end result of asbestos exposure first hand I can say
its a terrible way to die....
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Great mythical fears of our time: Asbestos, Global Warming, DDT,
> Overpopulation, Freon, Silicone Breast Implants, Nuclear Power,
> Guns, ad nauseum...
Exactly, about 18 years ago I was reading about the Freon fiasco on an
"uncirculated to the public" automotive trades magazine. Basically it was
mentioned that the Swill scientists had discovered back in the 1920's that
the ozone layer was in fact in worse shape than it is now, 1987 ish. Dupont
was pushing legislation to ban the old R-12 because it depleating the ozone
layer. Seems as though the real truth is that Dupont's patentent to
manufacture the Freon was getting ready to run out and they had this brand
new pattent on the new freon. Plus the new freon is supposidly more
directly harmful to humans than the old. That's probably why the new safer
freon must still be captured and not let back into the atmosphere when a
mechanic works on an AC system.
>
>
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Especially in the presence of lead and/or volatile hydrocarbons.
dadiOH
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CW wrote:
> Didn't you know? The asbestos Nazis have determined that just looking
> at it will kill you and your children.
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Careful its not painted asbestos board, we're still removing
>>> those.....
>>>
>>
>> Why? It is perfectly safe and won't burn. Just use caution and
>> proper gear if you are cutting it.
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> If it's undisturbed, the hazards are minimal. Working with it, or
> exposure to loose, damaged material is a whole 'nuther ballgame.
>
> Barry
Undisturbed or coated with something protective, even paint. Dust is the
hazard.
People sometimes panic because asbestos is in the room. That is not going
to present a problem in tiles, siding, insulation, as long as you just leave
it alone. A little common sense goes a long way. The only sad part is
that it took a long time to find what the real hazard was and a long time to
change practices.
> "Charles Krug" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Am I the only one who noticed that Freon was "banned" (though it's still
>> easily available in the Third World) just as soon as DuPont's patent
>> protection ran out?
Actually Freon was not banned. R-12 is banned.
Shush. You don't want to say that to loud. There is an entire industry who's
living depends on keeping people scared. Wouldn't want to let the secret
out.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Didn't you know? The asbestos Nazis have determined that just looking at
> > it
> > will kill you and your children.
>
> I am beginning to think that asbestos is only a real danger to those
> removing it.
>
>
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Shush. You don't want to say that to loud. There is an entire industry
> who's
> living depends on keeping people scared. Wouldn't want to let the secret
> out.
I hear you, like the Dupont Freon thing. Thanks to Dupont we now have a
Freon that is more directly harmful to humans vs. from the scare of
depleting the ozone layer which was in worse shape in the 1920's. Shall we
talk about the mold industry now. LOL.
On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:07:27 -0400, "Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I like the idea of a slate type surface better than the paint..
Painted plywood is easier to chalk on than real slate.
"Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am looking to buy, preferable a real slate or maybe EZ Slate chalkboard
>material so I can incorporate it into a project for my child. Any ideas?
>Thanks.
Actually you can use any material and buy the chalk board paint to create a
chalk board.
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 03:44:15 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>it was mentioned that the Swill scientists had discovered back in the 1920's that
>the ozone layer was in fact in worse shape than it is now,
Rubbish. Until 1957 and the International Geophysical Year, we had
almost no knowledge of the upper atmosphere, the ozone layer, and
particularly its behaviour near the poles. One of the problems with
studying upper atmosphere behaviour is that we just don't have good data
in reasonable volume until the 1980s - there was no way to get
instrumentation in position to measure it, certainly not on a regular
basis.
It's odd that much of what we know about the upper atmosphere is
courtesy of NASA's second-hand U2-R, a relic of the Cold War, and also
that plate-tectonics and continental drift was only convincingly
demonstrated thanks to oceanic mapping efforts intended to hunt ICBM
submarines.
"Charles Krug" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Am I the only one who noticed that Freon was "banned" (though it's still
> easily available in the Third World) just as soon as DuPont's patent
> protection ran out?
No, I knew about that about 18 years ago.
> Funny that, no?
>
I like the idea of a slate type surface better than the paint..
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Stacey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I am looking to buy, preferable a real slate or maybe EZ Slate chalkboard
>>material so I can incorporate it into a project for my child. Any ideas?
>>Thanks.
>
> Actually you can use any material and buy the chalk board paint to create
> a chalk board.
>