Pp

Puckdropper

14/06/2012 1:33 AM

Fire Building

tiredofspam says it's too quiet, so how about an on-topic post?

Over the last couple of years, I've been learning how to build fires.
Shop scraps are very often a large part of these fires, as they can be
great for not only kindling but as the main part of the fire. So, as a
guide, or perhaps a warning, here's what I've noticed using various shop
scraps to build fires.

For the main part of the fire, it's hard to beat the bits cut off from
logs that have been made in to lumber. They're usually small enough to
burn easily, and it's easy to get a lot of them when you're milling up
small pieces of wood-be firewood into usable lumber. Sometimes the logs
I work with yield only about 50% usable lumber, so there's quite a lot of
fire-fodder there.

As kindling, I look for material that has come off my tools. If you want
to build a fire from a few embers, plane shavings are excellent. They
burn fast and because of their shape and thickness usually have a lot of
air between them. Because they do burn so quickly, though, a mountain of
them can be reduced to almost nothing in less than 5 minutes.

From the power tools, jointer shavings seem to work best. They tend to
be long, thin and fairly uniform, which allows air to move around ok. To
start a fire, you only need a gallon-sized bucket worth (which is also
their drawback--they're hard to get rid of). They have a tendency to
burn on the top, but not so much underneath. For flame, the charred
parts consistently need to be blown off.

Planer shavings work ok as well, but tend to scrunch together and not
burn cleanly. A fire of planer shavings needs constant attending to keep
burning hot.

Both jointer and planer shavings can be useful in starting a fire,
however. They ignite quickly and do burn hot, which is great for
catching smaller pieces on fire.

In between the main part of the fire and the kindling are the various
wood scraps. They're too small to be part of the main fire (a 5-gallon
bucket of them will burn in just a few minutes), but too large to be used
as kindling. Often, these pieces are useful as something for the
kindling to catch.

Sawdust is terrible for building a fire, but can add some entertainment
and excitement once the fire is built. Toss a handful on and watch the
show. Repeat as often as the dust holds out.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.


This topic has 35 replies

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 3:52 PM

Leon wrote:

>
> Having built fires in the fireplace for 30 years, the fastest way to
> start the fire is to use small shot scraps under the logs and douse
> with charcoal starter fluid. 1 match later you are done.
>
>

Oh bullshit! Real men use a quart of gasoline in a mason jar. Pour it on
and light it with a match....

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

13/06/2012 7:12 PM

"Puckdropper" wrote:

> Over the last couple of years, I've been learning how to build
> fires.
> Shop scraps are very often a large part of these fires, as they can
> be
> great for not only kindling but as the main part of the fire.
<snip>
-----------------------------------
You are obviously not concerned with air pollution problems or
potential fire hazards from hot sparks coming from hot embers.

Lew


Du

Dave

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 13/06/2012 7:12 PM

16/06/2012 3:27 AM

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:31:05 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>This year, I think I'll wait until about 5am and take a snare drum over
>to each house and play rimshots every 4 seconds until they come out to
>ask me if I'm crazy.

You will be crazy when you end up with a bullet in the butt.

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 13/06/2012 7:12 PM

16/06/2012 10:52 AM

On 6/16/12 2:27 AM, Dave wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:31:05 -0500, -MIKE-<[email protected]>
>> This year, I think I'll wait until about 5am and take a snare drum over
>> to each house and play rimshots every 4 seconds until they come out to
>> ask me if I'm crazy.
>
> You will be crazy when you end up with a bullet in the butt.

Got that right. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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http://mikedrums.com
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LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

13/06/2012 8:02 PM


"RonB" wrote:
> I'm guessing Lew doesn't have a wood stove or fireplace.
------------------------------
In Southern California?

Even natural gas fireplaces are frowned upon.

About now my guess is the folks in New Mexico and Colorado have a
different point of view about open burning than they did 6 months ago.

Sparks coming up a chimney can have some major results.

Even rotary lawn mowers have been known to start major fires if things
are dry enough.

Lew


Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 3:08 AM

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4fd94877$0$2563
[email protected]:

> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>
>> Over the last couple of years, I've been learning how to build
>> fires.
>> Shop scraps are very often a large part of these fires, as they can
>> be
>> great for not only kindling but as the main part of the fire.
> <snip>
> -----------------------------------
> You are obviously not concerned with air pollution problems or
> potential fire hazards from hot sparks coming from hot embers.
>
> Lew
>
>
>

No air pollution problems here, but we do try to minimize the amount of
smoke by building a hot fire. I suspect a hot fire also burns a lot of
the bad stuff before it gets into the air.

Hot sparks doing bad things is a concern, but their potential is
minimized by building fires on days with low wind and sufficently damp
ground. (It doesn't have to be soggy, just enough that the grass is
happy.)

We usually don't burn just to burn, we usually cook supper over the fire.
Hot dogs only taste good one way: Fire cooked. Had some skewered steak,
corn, and skewered French Toast (that was interesting, but not really
successful) tonight. There's still plenty of heat left over for
marshmallows or popcorn.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

DW

Doug Winterburn

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

13/06/2012 9:09 PM

On 06/13/2012 08:02 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "RonB" wrote:
>> I'm guessing Lew doesn't have a wood stove or fireplace.
> ------------------------------
> In Southern California?
>
> Even natural gas fireplaces are frowned upon.
>
> About now my guess is the folks in New Mexico and Colorado have a
> different point of view about open burning than they did 6 months ago.
>
> Sparks coming up a chimney can have some major results.
>
> Even rotary lawn mowers have been known to start major fires if things
> are dry enough.
>
> Lew
>
>
>

Since the current Colorado and New Mexico fires were stated by
lightning, why would any points of view on "open burning" be any
different now vs six months ago?


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

13/06/2012 9:47 PM


"Doug Winterburn" wrote:
>
> Since the current Colorado and New Mexico fires were stated by
> lightning, why would any points of view on "open burning" be any
> different now vs six months ago?
----------------------------
Think about it.

Lew


LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 11:08 AM



"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Fires have been a key component in the ecosystem for millions of years and
> many plants and trees depend upon the heat from fires to thrive. Man wants
> to move into the countryside and live, he damn well better be prepared to
> put up with ALL the consequences of his stupidity.
>
Not to worry. The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia will pass a law banning
all fires. Then everything will be all better.


Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

15/06/2012 4:20 AM

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 6/14/2012 1:46 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> I often use Walnut scrap, it burns like nothing else. Nice hot fire.
>> The shavings are great fire starters... Dangerous???
>
> I am not talking shavings, I am talking dried solid hard wood scraps
> and nothing but.
>

Material like that will burn quite hot and quite quickly. It produces
big flames and a lot of light (a side effect) as it burns. Feeding it
over time into the fire is a good way to burn it, especially in the early
stages of the fire when the main logs haven't lit yet.

Indoor fire places aren't good places to get rid of lots of shop scraps.
Outdoor fire pits (not the little patio jobs) are better for something
like that, especially if it's safe for the flames to rise several feet
over the top of the logs.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

15/06/2012 4:07 PM

Looks like the governor of Colorado has isssued an executive order
prohibiting open burning and fireworks.

Lew


Rr

RonB

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 3:16 PM

On Jun 14, 2:52=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>
> > Having built fires in the fireplace for 30 years, the fastest way to
> > start the fire is to use small shot scraps under the logs and douse
> > with charcoal starter fluid. =A01 match later you are done.
>
> Oh bullshit! =A0Real men use a quart of gasoline in a mason jar. =A0Pour =
it on
> and light it with a match....
>
> --

No, No. Real men fill a dish detergent bottle with gasoline and
squirt it on the fire trying to see how far up the stream they can
maintain a flame without it getting into the plastic bottle!!!

RonB

Ll

Leon

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

15/06/2012 6:58 AM

On 6/14/2012 11:20 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 6/14/2012 1:46 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>> I often use Walnut scrap, it burns like nothing else. Nice hot fire.
>>> The shavings are great fire starters... Dangerous???
>>
>> I am not talking shavings, I am talking dried solid hard wood scraps
>> and nothing but.
>>
>
> Material like that will burn quite hot and quite quickly. It produces
> big flames and a lot of light (a side effect) as it burns. Feeding it
> over time into the fire is a good way to burn it, especially in the early
> stages of the fire when the main logs haven't lit yet.

Exactly, I used it mostly 5~7 pieces at a time for helping to start the
fire.



> Indoor fire places aren't good places to get rid of lots of shop scraps.
> Outdoor fire pits (not the little patio jobs) are better for something
> like that, especially if it's safe for the flames to rise several feet
> over the top of the logs.

Exactly, the flames will to way up the chimney in an indoors fireplace.


>
> Puckdropper

tn

tiredofspam

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

15/06/2012 8:14 AM



On 6/14/2012 11:50 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/14/2012 1:46 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> I often use Walnut scrap, it burns like nothing else. Nice hot fire.
>> The shavings are great fire starters... Dangerous???
>
> I am not talking shavings, I am talking dried solid hard wood scraps and
> nothing but.
>
Same here Leon, ____I use my walnut offcuts____... The shavings are just
great starters... Walnut is a beautiful burning wood. I think from the
oils inside. It just glows man.... Clean and hot..



>
>
>
>>
>> Leon, are you joining Lew in the Oh My God territory ???
>>
>> On 6/14/2012 2:26 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 6/13/2012 8:33 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>>> tiredofspam says it's too quiet, so how about an on-topic post?
>>>>
>>>> Over the last couple of years, I've been learning how to build fires.
>>>> Shop scraps are very often a large part of these fires, as they can be
>>>> great for not only kindling but as the main part of the fire. So, as a
>>>> guide, or perhaps a warning, here's what I've noticed using various
>>>> shop
>>>> scraps to build fires.
>>>
>>> Having built fires in the fireplace for 30 years, the fastest way to
>>> start the fire is to use small shot scraps under the logs and douse with
>>> charcoal starter fluid. 1 match later you are done.
>>>
>>>
>>> Using strictly shop scraps, in particular hard wood scraps which are
>>> even more dry than normal fire wood, can lead to a very hot and fast
>>> burning fire. I would say that situation could get dangerous quick.
>>> DAMHIKT
>

Ll

Leon

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 1:26 PM

On 6/13/2012 8:33 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> tiredofspam says it's too quiet, so how about an on-topic post?
>
> Over the last couple of years, I've been learning how to build fires.
> Shop scraps are very often a large part of these fires, as they can be
> great for not only kindling but as the main part of the fire. So, as a
> guide, or perhaps a warning, here's what I've noticed using various shop
> scraps to build fires.

Having built fires in the fireplace for 30 years, the fastest way to
start the fire is to use small shot scraps under the logs and douse with
charcoal starter fluid. 1 match later you are done.


Using strictly shop scraps, in particular hard wood scraps which are
even more dry than normal fire wood, can lead to a very hot and fast
burning fire. I would say that situation could get dangerous quick.
DAMHIKT

tn

tiredofspam

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 2:46 PM

I often use Walnut scrap, it burns like nothing else. Nice hot fire.
The shavings are great fire starters... Dangerous???

Leon, are you joining Lew in the Oh My God territory ???

On 6/14/2012 2:26 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/13/2012 8:33 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> tiredofspam says it's too quiet, so how about an on-topic post?
>>
>> Over the last couple of years, I've been learning how to build fires.
>> Shop scraps are very often a large part of these fires, as they can be
>> great for not only kindling but as the main part of the fire. So, as a
>> guide, or perhaps a warning, here's what I've noticed using various shop
>> scraps to build fires.
>
> Having built fires in the fireplace for 30 years, the fastest way to
> start the fire is to use small shot scraps under the logs and douse with
> charcoal starter fluid. 1 match later you are done.
>
>
> Using strictly shop scraps, in particular hard wood scraps which are
> even more dry than normal fire wood, can lead to a very hot and fast
> burning fire. I would say that situation could get dangerous quick. DAMHIKT

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 2:03 PM

On 6/14/2012 1:46 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> I often use Walnut scrap, it burns like nothing else. Nice hot fire.
> The shavings are great fire starters... Dangerous???
>
> Leon, are you joining Lew in the Oh My God territory ???

You guys count your blessings .... when I lived in England some 50 years
ago I had to start a coal fire from scratch every night after work, then
carry what was left to the upstairs bedroom for the remainder of the night.

AFAIK, a coonass and coal had never before met, but we are resourceful
... when I left after a long cold winter and summer there was a
considerable portion of my landlady's fence pickets somehow gone missing.

--
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

Ll

Leon

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 10:50 PM

On 6/14/2012 1:46 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> I often use Walnut scrap, it burns like nothing else. Nice hot fire.
> The shavings are great fire starters... Dangerous???

I am not talking shavings, I am talking dried solid hard wood scraps and
nothing but.





>
> Leon, are you joining Lew in the Oh My God territory ???
>
> On 6/14/2012 2:26 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/13/2012 8:33 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>> tiredofspam says it's too quiet, so how about an on-topic post?
>>>
>>> Over the last couple of years, I've been learning how to build fires.
>>> Shop scraps are very often a large part of these fires, as they can be
>>> great for not only kindling but as the main part of the fire. So, as a
>>> guide, or perhaps a warning, here's what I've noticed using various shop
>>> scraps to build fires.
>>
>> Having built fires in the fireplace for 30 years, the fastest way to
>> start the fire is to use small shot scraps under the logs and douse with
>> charcoal starter fluid. 1 match later you are done.
>>
>>
>> Using strictly shop scraps, in particular hard wood scraps which are
>> even more dry than normal fire wood, can lead to a very hot and fast
>> burning fire. I would say that situation could get dangerous quick.
>> DAMHIKT

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 8:38 AM

On 6/13/2012 10:02 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "RonB" wrote:
>> I'm guessing Lew doesn't have a wood stove or fireplace.
> ------------------------------
> In Southern California?
>
> Even natural gas fireplaces are frowned upon.
>
> About now my guess is the folks in New Mexico and Colorado have a
> different point of view about open burning than they did 6 months ago.
>
> Sparks coming up a chimney can have some major results.
>
> Even rotary lawn mowers have been known to start major fires if things
> are dry enough.

Fires have been a key component in the ecosystem for millions of years
and many plants and trees depend upon the heat from fires to thrive. Man
wants to move into the countryside and live, he damn well better be
prepared to put up with ALL the consequences of his stupidity.


--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

Hn

Han

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 3:55 PM

Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 6/13/2012 10:02 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "RonB" wrote:
>>> I'm guessing Lew doesn't have a wood stove or fireplace.
>> ------------------------------
>> In Southern California?
>>
>> Even natural gas fireplaces are frowned upon.
>>
>> About now my guess is the folks in New Mexico and Colorado have a
>> different point of view about open burning than they did 6 months
>> ago.
>>
>> Sparks coming up a chimney can have some major results.
>>
>> Even rotary lawn mowers have been known to start major fires if
>> things are dry enough.
>
> Fires have been a key component in the ecosystem for millions of years
> and many plants and trees depend upon the heat from fires to thrive.
> Man wants to move into the countryside and live, he damn well better
> be prepared to put up with ALL the consequences of his stupidity.

Are you familiar with the socalled "pine barrens" around here? Long
Island and southern coastal NJ. The pines don't spread their seeds until
the cones are heated by fire. They burn like torches, but can live on
after. Too bad for the homes built in, or too near, those areas. Oh,
yeah, the same people want to insure their homes, built too near the sea,
an/or want the Army Corps of WEngineers to build up the beaches after
erosion by storms.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Rr

RonB

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

13/06/2012 8:20 PM

On Jun 13, 10:08=A0pm, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4fd94877$0$2563
> [email protected]:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Puckdropper" wrote:
>
> >> Over the last couple of years, I've been learning how to build
> >> fires.
> >> Shop scraps are very often a large part of these fires, as they can
> >> be
> >> great for not only kindling but as the main part of the fire.
> > <snip>
> > -----------------------------------
> > You are obviously not concerned with air pollution problems or
> > potential fire hazards from hot sparks coming from hot embers.
>
> > Lew
>
> No air pollution problems here, but we do try to minimize the amount of
> smoke by building a hot fire. =A0I suspect a hot fire also burns a lot of
> the bad stuff before it gets into the air.
>
> Hot sparks doing bad things is a concern, but their potential is
> minimized by building fires on days with low wind and sufficently damp
> ground. =A0(It doesn't have to be soggy, just enough that the grass is
> happy.)
>
> We usually don't burn just to burn, we usually cook supper over the fire.
> Hot dogs only taste good one way: Fire cooked. =A0Had some skewered steak=
,
> corn, and skewered French Toast (that was interesting, but not really
> successful) tonight. =A0There's still plenty of heat left over for
> marshmallows or popcorn.
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

We have a Buck Buckmaster wood stove insert. Looks like a fireplace
but it uses a catalytic combuster to run hotter and burn some of the
normal wood fire waste gasses. The best way to tell if it is working
well is to look at the top of the chimney while the fire is burning.
About all that is visible is a light steam-like smoke. The Buckmaster
is one of a handful of wood burners that are EPA approved. We had a
guy clean the chimney this year after its third year of use. He
cleaned it but said it could have gone another year or so because the
combuster took most of the creosote and other impurities out of the
equation.

RonB

Rr

RonB

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

15/06/2012 4:56 AM

On Jun 14, 10:23=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> RonB wrote:
> > On Jun 14, 2:52 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> Leon wrote:
>
> >>> Having built fires in the fireplace for 30 years, the fastest way to
> >>> start the fire is to use small shot scraps under the logs and douse
> >>> with charcoal starter fluid. 1 match later you are done.
>
> >> Oh bullshit! Real men use a quart of gasoline in a mason jar. Pour
> >> it on and light it with a match....
>
> >> --
>
> > No, No. =A0Real men fill a dish detergent bottle with gasoline and
> > squirt it on the fire trying to see how far up the stream they can
> > maintain a flame without it getting into the plastic bottle!!!
>
> > RonB
>
> I stand corrected sir. =A0You are correct. =A0But... I always thought tha=
t the
> distance that a guy could stand away from the fire using this technique w=
as
> just a little wimpy... =A0I do like the idea of the fire up the stream th=
ough.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]

I had a friend who liked to do this with if parent's trash fires when
he was a teenager. It caught up with him and he received some very
serious burns. He picked up the name "squirt" which stayed with him
much of the rest of his life. He died of cancer a few years ago but
always kept a sense humor over that incident.

RonB

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 11:23 PM

RonB wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2:52 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>
>>> Having built fires in the fireplace for 30 years, the fastest way to
>>> start the fire is to use small shot scraps under the logs and douse
>>> with charcoal starter fluid. 1 match later you are done.
>>
>> Oh bullshit! Real men use a quart of gasoline in a mason jar. Pour
>> it on and light it with a match....
>>
>> --
>
> No, No. Real men fill a dish detergent bottle with gasoline and
> squirt it on the fire trying to see how far up the stream they can
> maintain a flame without it getting into the plastic bottle!!!
>
> RonB

I stand corrected sir. You are correct. But... I always thought that the
distance that a guy could stand away from the fire using this technique was
just a little wimpy... I do like the idea of the fire up the stream though.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Rr

RonB

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

13/06/2012 7:21 PM

On Jun 13, 9:12=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Puckdropper" wrote:
> > Over the last couple of years, I've been learning how to build
> > fires.
> > Shop scraps are very often a large part of these fires, as they can
> > be
> > great for not only kindling but as the main part of the fire.
>
> <snip>
> -----------------------------------
> You are obviously not concerned with air pollution problems or
> potential fire hazards from hot sparks coming from hot embers.
>
> Lew

I keep shop scraps in a barrel for kindling too. the dried wood
starts easy and burns well. We have also found that our paper
shredder provides a very good starter under the kindling. Starts
quickly and smoulders for a while.

I'm guessing Lew doesn't have a wood stove or fireplace.

RonB

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 7:30 AM

Steve Turner wrote:
> On 6/13/2012 8:33 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> As kindling, I look for material that has come off my tools. If you
>> want to build a fire from a few embers, plane shavings are
>> excellent. They burn fast and because of their shape and thickness
>> usually have a lot of air between them. Because they do burn so
>> quickly, though, a mountain of them can be reduced to almost nothing
>> in less than 5 minutes.
>
> I always save the shavings from my hand planes in a bucket and use
> them to start the fires in my Weber grill. I pile small thin cutoffs
> on top of those, and so on with cutoffs that gradually increase in
> size, and I'm off to the races. Works every time.

Yeahbut don't you realize you are at risk for starting a wildfire in
Colorado or Arizona by doing that? How inconsiderate...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Rr

RonB

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 7:58 AM

On Jun 14, 8:38=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/13/2012 10:02 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> > "RonB" wrote:
> >> I'm guessing Lew doesn't have a wood stove or fireplace.
> > ------------------------------
> > In Southern California?
>
> > Even natural gas fireplaces are frowned upon.
>
> > About now my guess is the folks in New Mexico and Colorado have a
> > different point of view about open burning than they did 6 months ago.
>
> > Sparks coming up a chimney can have some major results.
>
> > Even rotary lawn mowers have been known to start major fires if things
> > are dry enough.
>
> Fires have been a key component in the ecosystem for millions of years
> and many plants and trees depend upon the heat from fires to thrive. Man
> wants to move into the countryside and live, he damn well better be
> prepared to put up with ALL the consequences of his stupidity.
>
Exactly but the tree huggers don't want to hear that because many of
them have built homes in the middle of the ecosystem. In the 80's the
news services were talking about the "destruction" of Yellowstone and
the huggers were wanting all kinds of things done to prevent future
fires (???). The Yellowstone fires provided a much-needed natural
defense against the beetles that were actually destroying
Yellowstone's forests at the time.

These huggers are closely related to:

- People who build homes and neighborhoods under airport flight
patterns and then raise hell about noise.
- Californians who build homes on hillsides and want the government to
do something about mudslides
- People who build homes on the edge of freeways and then complain
about traffic noise.
- Homeowners who build in tightly regulated neighborhoods and then get
mad because the HOA won't let them use the shingles they like.

RonB

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Steve Turner

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

13/06/2012 11:13 PM

On 6/13/2012 9:12 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>
>> Over the last couple of years, I've been learning how to build
>> fires.
>> Shop scraps are very often a large part of these fires, as they can
>> be
>> great for not only kindling but as the main part of the fire.
> <snip>
> -----------------------------------
> You are obviously not concerned with air pollution problems or
> potential fire hazards from hot sparks coming from hot embers.
>
> Lew

Leave it to a Californicator liberal to immediately take a perfectly fun topic
off into the weeds with a hand wringing guilt trip. Why don't we just rename
the topic to "Fire building should be outlawed" and let the flame throwing begin?

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in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

13/06/2012 11:16 PM

On 6/13/2012 8:33 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> As kindling, I look for material that has come off my tools. If you want
> to build a fire from a few embers, plane shavings are excellent. They
> burn fast and because of their shape and thickness usually have a lot of
> air between them. Because they do burn so quickly, though, a mountain of
> them can be reduced to almost nothing in less than 5 minutes.

I always save the shavings from my hand planes in a bucket and use them to
start the fires in my Weber grill. I pile small thin cutoffs on top of those,
and so on with cutoffs that gradually increase in size, and I'm off to the
races. Works every time.

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in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 8:17 AM

On 6/13/2012 8:33 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
ndling to catch.
>
> Sawdust is terrible for building a fire, but can add some entertainment
> and excitement once the fire is built. Toss a handful on and watch the
> show. Repeat as often as the dust holds out.
>
> Puckdropper

I recall when I was in school the man from the state bureau of mines
used to come around and give us a lecture on explosions from normal
everyday things, including saw dust. He had a glass tunnel set up.
He would set a small flame in the end of it just in front of a
container he would fill with some kind of dust, then use a tire
pump to blow the dust into the flame and the whole thing would
explode. Very entertaining. But it was surprising what all could
cause an explosion.

Bill

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Steve Turner

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

14/06/2012 8:58 AM

On 6/14/2012 6:30 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 6/13/2012 8:33 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>> As kindling, I look for material that has come off my tools. If you
>>> want to build a fire from a few embers, plane shavings are
>>> excellent. They burn fast and because of their shape and thickness
>>> usually have a lot of air between them. Because they do burn so
>>> quickly, though, a mountain of them can be reduced to almost nothing
>>> in less than 5 minutes.
>>
>> I always save the shavings from my hand planes in a bucket and use
>> them to start the fires in my Weber grill. I pile small thin cutoffs
>> on top of those, and so on with cutoffs that gradually increase in
>> size, and I'm off to the races. Works every time.
>
> Yeahbut don't you realize you are at risk for starting a wildfire in
> Colorado or Arizona by doing that? How inconsiderate...

That's me. :-)

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in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

15/06/2012 7:01 PM

On 6/15/12 6:07 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Looks like the governor of Colorado has isssued an executive order
> prohibiting open burning and fireworks.
>
> Lew
>

I don't know about open burning, but good for him on the fireworks.
People around here think the 4th of July is a month long holiday. I
don't mind fireworks on July 4th. But they get more than a little
annoying at 2 am on July 5th.... and 6th... and June 25th.


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-MIKE-

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

15/06/2012 8:31 PM

On 6/15/12 8:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 6/15/2012 7:01 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 6/15/12 6:07 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> Looks like the governor of Colorado has isssued an executive order
>>> prohibiting open burning and fireworks.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>>
>>
>> I don't know about open burning, but good for him on the fireworks.
>> People around here think the 4th of July is a month long holiday. I
>> don't mind fireworks on July 4th. But they get more than a little
>> annoying at 2 am on July 5th.... and 6th... and June 25th.
>
> You kids get off my lawn!! LOL ... getting older, eh Mike? :)
>

Yes and no. :-) I'm talking 1, 2, 3 in the morning. Like the dogs.
This year, I think I'll wait until about 5am and take a snare drum over
to each house and play rimshots every 4 seconds until they come out to
ask me if I'm crazy.


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-MIKE-

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

16/06/2012 10:53 AM

On 6/16/12 7:52 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 6/15/2012 8:31 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 6/15/12 8:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 6/15/2012 7:01 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 6/15/12 6:07 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>>> Looks like the governor of Colorado has isssued an executive order
>>>>> prohibiting open burning and fireworks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lew
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about open burning, but good for him on the fireworks.
>>>> People around here think the 4th of July is a month long holiday. I
>>>> don't mind fireworks on July 4th. But they get more than a little
>>>> annoying at 2 am on July 5th.... and 6th... and June 25th.
>>>
>>> You kids get off my lawn!! LOL ... getting older, eh Mike? :)
>>>
>>
>> Yes and no. :-) I'm talking 1, 2, 3 in the morning. Like the dogs.
>> This year, I think I'll wait until about 5am and take a snare drum over
>> to each house and play rimshots every 4 seconds until they come out to
>> ask me if I'm crazy.
>
> Oh no! <Gasp> the drummer's first line of defense, the "rim shot"!
>
> (let me know before you deploy the drummer's "nuclear option":
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ... the cowbell ... I'll move even further South). ;)
>

I got a fevah!....."


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Swingman

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

16/06/2012 7:52 AM

On 6/15/2012 8:31 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/15/12 8:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 6/15/2012 7:01 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 6/15/12 6:07 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>> Looks like the governor of Colorado has isssued an executive order
>>>> prohibiting open burning and fireworks.
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about open burning, but good for him on the fireworks.
>>> People around here think the 4th of July is a month long holiday. I
>>> don't mind fireworks on July 4th. But they get more than a little
>>> annoying at 2 am on July 5th.... and 6th... and June 25th.
>>
>> You kids get off my lawn!! LOL ... getting older, eh Mike? :)
>>
>
> Yes and no. :-) I'm talking 1, 2, 3 in the morning. Like the dogs.
> This year, I think I'll wait until about 5am and take a snare drum over
> to each house and play rimshots every 4 seconds until they come out to
> ask me if I'm crazy.

Oh no! <Gasp> the drummer's first line of defense, the "rim shot"!

(let me know before you deploy the drummer's "nuclear option":


















... the cowbell ... I'll move even further South). ;)

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Swingman

in reply to Puckdropper on 14/06/2012 1:33 AM

15/06/2012 8:17 PM

On 6/15/2012 7:01 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/15/12 6:07 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Looks like the governor of Colorado has isssued an executive order
>> prohibiting open burning and fireworks.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>
> I don't know about open burning, but good for him on the fireworks.
> People around here think the 4th of July is a month long holiday. I
> don't mind fireworks on July 4th. But they get more than a little
> annoying at 2 am on July 5th.... and 6th... and June 25th.

You kids get off my lawn!! LOL ... getting older, eh Mike? :)

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