On Nov 29, 5:32=A0pm, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> jtpr wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Yeah, I know what you mean. =A0After more examination they have several
> > 6" models, all around the same price. =A0None of the specs seem all tha=
t
> > much different. =A0I'll have to look closer to see what is best. =A0Thi=
s
> > is really the top of my budget, so it is one of these or something
> > used.
>
> I always look first at two things -- weight (more is better) and motor
> spec's (same thing). =A0Unfortunately w/ the latter, one is at mercy of
> whatever they're putting on them; they're all Chinese any more and that,
> in my mind, is the most crapshoot part of the whole deal w/ Griz of what
> one's going to actually get.
>
> > My brother in law has several Grizzly machines and swears by them.
> > What is it about them that the "group" doesn't like?
>
> In general, afaik the Griz has always gotten good marks for service and
> support and generally good value. =A0Word lately seems to be that perhaps
> the Shop Fox folk are up there w/ 'em as well.
>
> I've never owned one; have seen a few but none are recent so don't take
> too seriously (other than the first observation I believe is real)...
>
> --
Yeah, I know what you mean. But this "Chinese" thing seems to be
prevalent in all machinery. One has to wonder though, is this
necessarily a bad thing or is it becoming the Japanese car of the
1980's? At that time they were crap, then they became far superior to
anything we make. I mean, is there anything that is completely made
in this country that is even close to affordable and if there is, does
that necessarily represent quality?
I guess it is all academic as there is no way I can justify, on my
budget and my level of woodworking, spending more then $500 for a
jointer. So for that the best I can find new seems to be the
Grizzly. I'm sure the Rigid performs close, but it has no mobility or
dust collection. Other then that, there isn't much out there unless I
go used. Which, mind you, I'm not against but they are hard to find
locally (NH).
Now, if somebody in the S. Maine, Northeastern MA, or coastal NH area
has been itching to upgrade that 6" jointer for something bigger, let
me know...;+}
-Jim.
[email protected], wrote the following at or about 11/29/2010 3:15 PM:
> On Nov 29, 11:04 am, jtpr<[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
>> one?
>>
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar...
>>
>> I don't know what the difference is in the "Polar Bear Series", they
>> claim nothing.
When they tell you that, tell them that you'll take the Grizzly at the
same price. After all, "there's no difference!" <g>
"jtpr" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> My brother in law has several Grizzly machines and swears by them.
> What is it about them that the "group" doesn't like?
I have owned and bought a lot of grizzly stuff over the years. I often help
other people go to the showroom up the highway and make their purchases.
Their quality used to be low on their low end machines. It is a lot better
now. And the prices have always been good. A lot of businesses buy
Grizzly. Because of price and they make some bigger machines too. It is
always nice when you have the choice of several tools when you buy
something. And in some areas, they have a very wide selection.
In my own experience, years ago, I had to both assemble and tweak several
machines. Especially a table saw. But for the price, it was worth it. And
some of the specs are good for metal as well. I used to do a lot of drill
press work for both wood and metal. Grizzly, years ago, had drill presses
that would allow me to do the metal work for about half of what anybody else
was offering at that time.
There is more competition now. But it is hard to fault their extensive
selection. Or their bang for the buck appeal. I really think that a lot
of the bias against them originated from a time when everybody bought their
tools locally. Buying tools on the internet is much more common these days.
I have seen their tools in over 30 different commercial shops. and a few
home shops as well. A lot of those guys ended up buying a little bigger
machine than they originally thought they would because Grizzly had
attractive pricing and the selection to match.
No, I don't own any of grizzly or work for them. They are privately owned.
jtpr wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Yeah, I know what you mean. After more examination they have
> > several
> > 6" models, all around the same price.
<snip>
As others have said, it's a pretty basic tool, sold by the pound.
As long as the castings are solid and have been machined correctly,
you are in good shape.
A motor craps out, it is replaceable.
You want to buy the widest unit with the longest bed you can afford.
To that end, might want to look at this one from Grizzly.
T23046 6" x 55" Jointer.
Don't have a clue if it is a good unit, it just has the longest bed
for a 6" machine.
Have fun.
Lew
jtpr, wrote the following at or about 11/29/2010 3:33 PM:
>>
>> When they tell you that, tell them that you'll take the Grizzly at the
>> same price. After all, "there's no difference!"<g>
>
> Yeah, I know what you mean. After more examination they have several
> 6" models, all around the same price. None of the specs seem all that
> much different. I'll have to look closer to see what is best. This
> is really the top of my budget, so it is one of these or something
> used.
Used is not all bad. Given my 'druthers, I'd just as soon pick up a
nice used name brand machine that's 20-30 years old for which you can
still obtain parts. Firstly, it's likely to be better constructed than
the current stuff and unless abused, that generally means it's got a
great life still ahead of it.
About twenty-seven years ago I was looking to get a bandsaw. I wound up
picking up a well-used but not abused 14" Delta. Traced the lineage on
it through Delta and found out it was six months older than I am and I'm
crowding 65. Cleaned it up, put new tires and guides on it and away I
went. It's still running like a top and from everything I've seen and
heard, it's still a damn sight better than the current Delta stuff or
even that which was current in the early 80's.
You can see the difference when you start pricing used, vintage
equipment. Look at a Unisaw that's 20-30 years old and see what they're
going for vs. the new stuff. There's a reason they hold their value and
are in such demand.
> My brother in law has several Grizzly machines and swears by them.
> What is it about them that the "group" doesn't like?
Can't answer that as I don't have any Grizzly equipment in my shop. All
my stationary stuff is vintage Delta, Jet, and Craftsman.
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:44:16 -0600, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/29/2010 11:04 AM, jtpr wrote:
>> I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
>> one?
>>
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar-Bear-Series/G0452P
>>
>> I don't know what the difference is in the "Polar Bear Series", they
>> claim nothing.
>>
>> -Jim
>
>Except for aesthetic things like the power switch and the base, that jointer is
>virtually identical to the 6" Delta "Professional" model. A new Delta (with a
And both are probably made in the same place, the Chinese Noodle and
Machine Tool Factory. Way to go, Delter!
>As far as the "Polar Bear" series goes, my conclusion is that any differences
>are completely aesthetic and negligible. I'm guessing that it's probably
>something as simple as Grizzly discovering they could save a bucketload of
>money by using white pigment in their powder coating instead of green (just
>imagine how much of that snot they go through!) and using magic marketing to
>sell us on the idea. I don't give a damn what color it is (well, maybe not
>PINK), as long as it works.
There's a subtle difference in weight, so I'm not sure what they left
out or did differrently.
--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> [email protected], wrote the following at or about 11/29/2010 3:15 PM:
> > On Nov 29, 11:04 am, jtpr<[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
> >> one?
> >>
> >> http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar...
> >>
> >> I don't know what the difference is in the "Polar Bear Series", they
> >> claim nothing.
>
>
> When they tell you that, tell them that you'll take the Grizzly at the
> same price. After all, "there's no difference!" <g>
The difference is that the Polar Bear Series is painted white.
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:04:06 -0800 (PST), jtpr <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
>one?
>
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar-Bear-Series/G0452P
>
>I don't know what the difference is in the "Polar Bear Series", they
>claim nothing.
>
>-Jim
I have an 8" Grizzly jointer. Works just fine. If I were buying today,
I'd probably get one with the carbide insert heads. Adds to the cost,
but I think it would be much more convenient in the long run.
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:04:06 -0800 (PST), jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
>one?
>
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar-Bear-Series/G0452P
>
>I don't know what the difference is in the "Polar Bear Series", they
>claim nothing.
>
>-Jim
Against the advice of this group, I purchased a Grizzly jointer about 9 years
ago. I have been very happy with it and it's performance.
Mine had some kind of handle on the top of the fence, near where the switch is
on the model you linked to. I don't know what the handle was for, and removed
it because it was in the way (at least for me). I don't know if the power
switch would be in the way when jointing tall stock.
When I moved about 8 years ago, the jointer had a fender bender with a Dodge
truck. The jointer won. :-)
__________________
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New Eagle, PA
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On Nov 29, 6:51=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0jtpr wrote:
>
> > ...
>
> > > Yeah, I know what you mean. After more examination they have
> > > several
> > > 6" models, all around the same price.
>
> <snip>
>
> As others have said, it's a pretty basic tool, sold by the pound.
>
> As long as the castings are solid and have been machined correctly,
> you are in good shape.
>
> A motor craps out, it is replaceable.
>
> You want to buy the widest unit with the longest bed you can afford.
>
> To that end, might want to look at this one from Grizzly.
>
> T23046 6" x 55" Jointer.
>
> Don't have a clue if it is a good unit, it just has the longest bed
> for a 6" machine.
>
> Have fun.
>
> Lew
Yeah, I looked at that one. What is a "Parallelogram Bed"? I assume
it's better because they emphasize it, but why?
-Jim
On Nov 29, 11:04=A0am, jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
> one?
>
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar...
>
> I don't know what the difference is in the "Polar Bear Series", they
> claim nothing.
>
> -Jim
I've had an 8 inch non-polar bear griz jointer for about six years
now. Like it a lot.
The only flaw I can see in that one is that it's too short.
On Nov 29, 4:23=A0pm, Unquestionably Confused <[email protected]>
wrote:
> [email protected], wrote the following at or about 11/29/2010 3:15 PM:
>
> > On Nov 29, 11:04 am, jtpr<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
> >> one?
>
> >>http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar..=
.
>
> >> I don't know what the difference is in the "Polar Bear Series", they
> >> claim nothing.
>
> When they tell you that, tell them that you'll take the Grizzly at the
> same price. =A0After all, "there's no difference!" <g>
Yeah, I know what you mean. After more examination they have several
6" models, all around the same price. None of the specs seem all that
much different. I'll have to look closer to see what is best. This
is really the top of my budget, so it is one of these or something
used.
My brother in law has several Grizzly machines and swears by them.
What is it about them that the "group" doesn't like?
jtpr wrote:
...
> Yeah, I know what you mean. After more examination they have several
> 6" models, all around the same price. None of the specs seem all that
> much different. I'll have to look closer to see what is best. This
> is really the top of my budget, so it is one of these or something
> used.
I always look first at two things -- weight (more is better) and motor
spec's (same thing). Unfortunately w/ the latter, one is at mercy of
whatever they're putting on them; they're all Chinese any more and that,
in my mind, is the most crapshoot part of the whole deal w/ Griz of what
one's going to actually get.
> My brother in law has several Grizzly machines and swears by them.
> What is it about them that the "group" doesn't like?
In general, afaik the Griz has always gotten good marks for service and
support and generally good value. Word lately seems to be that perhaps
the Shop Fox folk are up there w/ 'em as well.
I've never owned one; have seen a few but none are recent so don't take
too seriously (other than the first observation I believe is real)...
--
On 11/29/2010 11:04 AM, jtpr wrote:
> I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
> one?
>
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar-Bear-Series/G0452P
>
> I don't know what the difference is in the "Polar Bear Series", they
> claim nothing.
>
> -Jim
Except for aesthetic things like the power switch and the base, that jointer is
virtually identical to the 6" Delta "Professional" model. A new Delta (with a
separate mobile base, a feature that is built into the Grizzly) will cost you
almost $200 more. I have the Delta 37-196 (current model number is 37-275)
which I bought 8 or 10 years ago for about the same price you can get that
Grizzly delivered to your door. It's a perfectly good machine, but if I had to
do it again I would get an 8" model instead. If you think the 6" version would
work for you I say go for it; that's a great price. I have several Grizzly
machines and haven't had a single problem with any of them.
As far as the "Polar Bear" series goes, my conclusion is that any differences
are completely aesthetic and negligible. I'm guessing that it's probably
something as simple as Grizzly discovering they could save a bucketload of
money by using white pigment in their powder coating instead of green (just
imagine how much of that snot they go through!) and using magic marketing to
sell us on the idea. I don't give a damn what color it is (well, maybe not
PINK), as long as it works.
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On 11/29/10 8:44 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 11/29/2010 11:04 AM, jtpr wrote:
>> I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
>> one?
>>
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar-Bear-Series/G0452P
>>
>>
>> I don't know what the difference is in the "Polar Bear Series", they
>> claim nothing.
>>
>> -Jim
>
> Except for aesthetic things like the power switch and the base, that
> jointer is virtually identical to the 6" Delta "Professional" model. A
> new Delta (with a separate mobile base, a feature that is built into the
> Grizzly) will cost you almost $200 more. I have the Delta 37-196
> (current model number is 37-275) which I bought 8 or 10 years ago for
> about the same price you can get that Grizzly delivered to your door.
> It's a perfectly good machine, but if I had to do it again I would get
> an 8" model instead. If you think the 6" version would work for you I
> say go for it; that's a great price. I have several Grizzly machines and
> haven't had a single problem with any of them.
>
> As far as the "Polar Bear" series goes, my conclusion is that any
> differences are completely aesthetic and negligible. I'm guessing that
> it's probably something as simple as Grizzly discovering they could save
> a bucketload of money by using white pigment in their powder coating
> instead of green (just imagine how much of that snot they go through!)
> and using magic marketing to sell us on the idea. I don't give a damn
> what color it is (well, maybe not PINK), as long as it works.
>
I was thinking the same thing about the paint job.
Oh, and that switch? That would be the first thing I would knock off and
move down. With it sticking up like an antenna, I can't roll it under my
lumber shelf.
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On 11/29/2010 8:55 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/29/10 8:44 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 11/29/2010 11:04 AM, jtpr wrote:
>>> I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
>>> one?
>>>
>>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar-Bear-Series/G0452P
>>
>> Except for aesthetic things like the power switch and the base, that
>> jointer is virtually identical to the 6" Delta "Professional" model.
>
> Oh, and that switch? That would be the first thing I would knock off and
> move down. With it sticking up like an antenna, I can't roll it under my
> lumber shelf.
The switch on my Delta is in a similar elevated position, though it's set back
about 6" and not quite so "in your face". I can understand wanting to move it
down (it's been in the way for me too on a few occasions), but in practice the
location is quite handy.
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On 11/29/10 9:05 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> I can understand
> wanting to move it down (it's been in the way for me too on a few
> occasions), but in practice the location is quite handy.
>
Absolutely. If I had a Norm shop, I'd love it.
Right now, I wish each of my tools folded up into a milk crate like a
transformer robot.
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-MIKE-
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jtpr wrote:
...
> Yeah, I looked at that one. What is a "Parallelogram Bed"? I assume
> it's better because they emphasize it, but why?
...
Mounting of the bed using set of linkage (configured as parallelogram to
be able to be raised/lowered and be level) instead of the traditional
dovetail gibbed rails.
Somewhat easier to raise/lower; little less liable for need to adjust
over time owing to wear on gibs. But, for a home shop, the amount of
usage is so unlikely to cause an discernible wear imo it's no real
difference in practical sense.
Length is good, too, as it helps immeasurably w/ longer pieces in how
easily one can keep/get a true joint.
--
"jtpr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:04f15783-0477-4a8b-aed4-e690955e5cf6@m35g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
> one?
>
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar-Bear-Series/G0452P
>
> I don't know what the difference is in the "Polar Bear Series", they
> claim nothing.
>
> -Jim
Only thing that looks good about that, is the stop switch
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:23:32 -0600, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected], wrote the following at or about 11/29/2010 3:15 PM:
>> On Nov 29, 11:04 am, jtpr<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I'm looking at this Grizzly jointer, has anybody seen, used, or bought
>>> one?
>>>
>>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base-Polar...
>>>
>>> I don't know what the difference is in the "Polar Bear Series", they
>>> claim nothing.
>
>
>When they tell you that, tell them that you'll take the Grizzly at the
>same price. After all, "there's no difference!" <g>
One made in China, the other in India perhaps??