<[email protected]> wrote
> Happy Veteran's Day.
>
> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>
> MJ
Thank you and back atcha
Korea, '50 - '51
Max
In article
<715c7da9-6e8a-496e-8501-7f32df802d67@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Nahmie <[email protected]> wrote:
> SeaBees 63-73
I knew there was something I liked about you :-)
USN Seabees 1967-71
RVN Class of '69
RNMCB-21 for a couple of years in the late 70's to see if I still liked
it.
Joe
aka 10x
In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Steve Turner wrote:
>
> > No kiddin! Nah, Swing's exaggerating - they're not at EVERY
> > intersection... It does seem to have been on the rise in recent years
> > though, but the way some of these people "put on a show" it wouldn't
> > surprise me (at the risk of sounding insensitive to all my liberal
> > buddies) if a fair number of them aren't just trying to milk the "Keep
> > Austin Weird" crap for all it's worth.
>
> LOL ... Waddaya mean "trying"? I invite you to the parade of characters
> at the HEB on the corner of Burnett and 2222 when they open each
> morning, where you're liable to see the Benny & Joon doppleganger
> sitting on the floor in the middle of the meat aisle licking milk duds
> out of his back pocket like a pit bull licking his balls ... Austin _is_
> weird. :)
Is that how PBS came up with name Austin City Limits?
Han wrote:
> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> If life were fair, you'd be allowed to cap a liberal every Veteran's
>> Day.
>
> I'm a liberal (fiscally conservative) who thanks Allied WWII soldiers every
> day for their efforts. I have the greatest admiration for those who serve
> and those who served. However, I heartily disapprove of gung-ho generals
> and politicians, especially the ones who deceive the public.
As a former Army officer with that coveted "combat command" so necessary
for advancement, I can tell you with _absolute_ certainty that anyone
who attains the rank of General IS a politician.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Nov 14, 12:08=A0am, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> Han wrote:
>
> ...
>
> =A0 In this case, the guy was on a friggin' Army base. =A0You don't think=
he
> could have wrangled access to weapons on base if he couldn't have gotten
> them off-base? =A0
You're probably right but I wish it weren't so. There isn't any
reason
why an Army psychiatrist should be carrying arms on a stateside base,
and the Army should keep them out of the hands of people to whom
they are not officially issued.
> McVeigh didn't use weapons other than readily available
> diesel and agricultural fertilizer. =A0
Before McVeigh the worse peacetime American mass murderer
used a couple of gallons of gasoline to kill about 80 people.
Or, as Archie Bunker once said, "would you feel any better if
those people had their brains beat out by baseball bats instead?"
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On Nov 11, 9:50=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Happy Veteran's Day.
>
> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>
> MJ
And to you and all the rest who served.
USN 55-59, USNR SeaBees 63-73
Norm
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:15:09 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> Happy Veteran's Day.
>>
>> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>>
>> MJ
>
>Back atacha!
>
>RVN - 69 - 70
Classified 4H, Home 72-75. Missed it by || much.
Many thanks to all of you who have served and now serve.
We love ya.
If life were fair, you'd be allowed to cap a liberal every Veteran's
Day.
----------------------------------------------------
Thesaurus: Ancient reptile with excellent vocabulary
====================================================
[email protected] wrote:
> Happy Veteran's Day.
>
> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>
> MJ
:http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/remembranceday/article/723701--song-commemorates-highway-of-heroes
Not a vet, but just a nice view of how other people cover this day.
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On Nov 18, 6:37=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
>
> > and the Army should keep them out of the hands of people to whom
> > they are not officially issued.
>
> LOL! =A0Never served in the Army or Marine Corps, eh?
>
> It is their job to be "armed" and each member is "issued" a weapon
> appropriate to their job.
>
What weapon is appropriately issued to a psychiatrist doing his job
on a stateside base?
When you consider the answer, you will also know why he used his
own.
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Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> said:
>On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:27:21 -0500, the infamous Greg
>G.<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>FrozenNorth said:
>>
>>>:http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/remembranceday/article/723701--song-commemorates-highway-of-heroes
>>>
>>>Not a vet, but just a nice view of how other people cover this day.
>>
>>"Canadians gather along the 172-kilometre stretch of Highway 401
>>between Trenton and Toronto every time a convoy carrying the body of a
>>dead soldier travels that final homecoming route."
>>
>>Now that's reverence!
>>
>>We in the US get blackouts. :-\
>
>Hell, Greg. Don't drink so much and you won't black out.
Very funny, Larry.
It was a poke at chickenhawk Cheney/Rummy's media blackout of
returning veteran's caskets - that pissed me off.
Actually, have never blacked out, it's a control thing. I partake on
occasion, but I don't drink _that_ much - it's not a lifestyle or
anything. Always had to worry about getting home in one piece, and
what people will do to you if you pass out in public.
>--LJ, blackout-free for 24 years 4 months now.
Congratulations.
Greg G.
FrozenNorth said:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> Happy Veteran's Day.
>>
>> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>>
>> MJ
>
>:http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/remembranceday/article/723701--song-commemorates-highway-of-heroes
>
>Not a vet, but just a nice view of how other people cover this day.
"Canadians gather along the 172-kilometre stretch of Highway 401
between Trenton and Toronto every time a convoy carrying the body of a
dead soldier travels that final homecoming route."
Now that's reverence!
We in the US get blackouts. :-\
Well wishes to those who serve.
Greg G.
Lew Hodgett said:
>"Swingman" wrote:
>
>> chicks - now stringy haired, toothless and wrinkled with age, still
>> braless under t-shirts and halter tops though their tits hang like
>> razor strops
>
>Basic law of reality:
>
>The length of the hair should be inversely proportional to the length
>of the tit.
Eww.. you two. Those are both visions now stuck in my head I could
have gone forever without. I must have visited the wrong part of
Austin, 'cause I didn't see nothin' like that in '98.
Greg G.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well if your life is so perfect then why do you want to change the laws?
>
Geez guys give it a rest! If not, just let me have another beer or two and
can out piss both of you!
And, just to keep this a bit less OT than it already is, My dad was a WWII
vet in the Regina Rifles, who were liberators of a good chunk of Holland, I
was a peace time member of the Regina Rifles and my son is now a master
corporal in the Royal Regina Rifles and is on active service.
Thanks to all vets where ever they served, 'cause anyone with a brain knows
that freedom is not free.
[email protected] wrote:
> Happy Veteran's Day.
>
> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>
> MJ
Back atacha!
RVN - 69 - 70
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Steve Turner wrote:
> No kiddin! Nah, Swing's exaggerating - they're not at EVERY
> intersection... It does seem to have been on the rise in recent years
> though, but the way some of these people "put on a show" it wouldn't
> surprise me (at the risk of sounding insensitive to all my liberal
> buddies) if a fair number of them aren't just trying to milk the "Keep
> Austin Weird" crap for all it's worth.
LOL ... Waddaya mean "trying"? I invite you to the parade of characters
at the HEB on the corner of Burnett and 2222 when they open each
morning, where you're liable to see the Benny & Joon doppleganger
sitting on the floor in the middle of the meat aisle licking milk duds
out of his back pocket like a pit bull licking his balls ... Austin _is_
weird. :)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
> On Nov 18, 6:37 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
>>
>>> and the Army should keep them out of the hands of people to whom
>>> they are not officially issued.
>> LOL! Never served in the Army or Marine Corps, eh?
>>
>> It is their job to be "armed" and each member is "issued" a weapon
>> appropriate to their job.
>>
>
> What weapon is appropriately issued to a psychiatrist doing his job
> on a stateside base?
I answered that question, but you conveniently left it out of your
quotes ... as an Officer, TOE calls for him to be issued a pistol.
> When you consider the answer, you will also know why he used his
> own.
He used his own because he was a terrorist and cared naught for neither
training nor discipline ... something else you snipped.
You didn't answer my question, but your initial statement made it
obvious, you have not served.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:028d512d-c222-40b9-9776-fb26f9c3678a@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com.
>> ..
>>> Happy Veteran's Day.
>>>
>>> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>>>
>>> MJ
>>
>>
>> My thanks also to all those who served, from all nations.
>>
>> My number came up when i was 18 in the very last draft, - they
>> wouldn't take me, - because of the same ailment that has now
>> temporarily sidelined me. I then tried as a volunteer with an offer to
>> acknowledge and absolve the military from responsibility for my
>> existing condition. No dice. Bastards.
>>
>> WW2. My mother and father both instilled in us just how much this
>> country owes the US for the final outcome of that war. We were
>> constantly reminded over the years to make sure we understood and
>> appreciated what it meant. I have continued that tradition.
>> But for the US, we would almost certainly be speaking Japanese.
>>
>> "Lest we forget."
>>
>>
>> diggerop
>
> Amen to that.
>
> I grew up in Wageningen, Netherlands, where the Germans finally
> surrendered on May 5, 1945. In 1950 there was a parade through town of
> Allies, and a taptoe (spelling?) at night, where the Marine silenbt drill
> team impressed me (5 years old) tremendously.
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid
That would certainly live with you forever.
This link gives the current usage and says it originated from the Old Dutch
doe den tap toe .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_tattoo
diggerop
Han wrote:
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Han wrote:
>>> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> Han wrote:
>>>>> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If life were fair, you'd be allowed to cap a liberal every
>>>>>> Veteran's Day.
>>>>> I'm a liberal (fiscally conservative) who thanks Allied WWII
>>>>> soldiers every day for their efforts. I have the greatest
>>>>> admiration for those who serve and those who served. However, I
>>>>> heartily disapprove of gung-ho generals and politicians, especially
>>>>> the ones who deceive the public.
>>>> As a former Army officer with that coveted "combat command" so
>>>> necessary for advancement, I can tell you with _absolute_ certainty
>>>> that anyone who attains the rank of General IS a politician.
>>> I believe you. In defense of said individual, it may be necessary
>>> for a leader to convince "his" people that his way is best, and that
>>> they better do it /NOW!/.
>> Haven't been in the military, eh?
>
> No. Didn't seem my favorite occupation. In fact, the choice in 1969
> between compulsory military service in Holland and the chance for PhD
> training in Boston was easy to make, and spouse agreed. Still does. And
> we're still liberal, only a tad less than then. Moreover, we're now US
> citizens.
I was drafted in my senior year of college (I'd spent too much time
globe trotting and 'aged out' of my 2S deferment), or, considering the
absolute certainty of my eventual destination, I would most likely have
passed myself. <g>
>> A military "leaders" orders are obeyed, no "convincing" necessary.
>>
>> Article 90 UCMJ.
>
> That's them rules, I believe.
>
>> Nonetheless, a certain degree of trust in the "leader" makes it work a
>> damn sight more effectively. :)
>
> Ahhh! Now the lights went on! I agree!
The politics of advancement in the US military above the rank of full
Colonel is brutal to the point that cunning and political skill are much
more important than leadership ... a deplorable subversion of the
entirety of the concepts of "spirit and honor" that go before.
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Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:40:46 +0800, the infamous "diggerop"
> <toobusy@themoment> scrawled the following:
>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:028d512d-c222-40b9-9776-fb26f9c3678a@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> Happy Veteran's Day.
>>>
>>> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>>>
>>> MJ
>>
>>
>>My thanks also to all those who served, from all nations.
>>
>>My number came up when i was 18 in the very last draft, - they wouldn't
>>take me, - because of the same ailment that has now temporarily sidelined
>>me. I then tried as a volunteer with an offer to acknowledge and absolve
>>the military from responsibility for my existing condition. No dice.
>>Bastards.
>>
>>WW2. My mother and father both instilled in us just how much this country
>>owes the US for the final outcome of that war. We were constantly reminded
>>over the years to make sure we understood and appreciated what it meant. I
>>have continued that tradition.
>>But for the US, we would almost certainly be speaking Japanese.
>>
>>"Lest we forget."
>
... and the Aussies have been one of the stalwarts in the war on terror.
One of your own artists tributes to your troops:
<http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/10/beccy_cole_post.html>
> Yes, things could be worse. You could be speaking Strine. Oh, wait a
> minute...
>
>
> --
> You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
> OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
> the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine
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Larry Jaques wrote:
> You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
> OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
> the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxi
Try Austin, TX 2009, where hippies from the 60's abound. The males -
rail thin, with scraggly grey beards, watery eyes, and half bald 'hippie
hairdo' ponytails, still wearing tie dye and jesus sandals; the hippy
chicks - now stringy haired, toothless and wrinkled with age, still
braless under t-shirts and halter tops though their tits hang like razor
strops - many drug addled and homeless, panhandle from traffic islands
at every intersection.
It's already SCARY!
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Han wrote:
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Han wrote:
>>> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> If life were fair, you'd be allowed to cap a liberal every Veteran's
>>>> Day.
>>> I'm a liberal (fiscally conservative) who thanks Allied WWII soldiers
>>> every day for their efforts. I have the greatest admiration for
>>> those who serve and those who served. However, I heartily disapprove
>>> of gung-ho generals and politicians, especially the ones who deceive
>>> the public.
>> As a former Army officer with that coveted "combat command" so
>> necessary for advancement, I can tell you with _absolute_ certainty
>> that anyone who attains the rank of General IS a politician.
>
> I believe you. In defense of said individual, it may be necessary for a
> leader to convince "his" people that his way is best, and that they better
> do it /NOW!/.
Haven't been in the military, eh?
A military "leaders" orders are obeyed, no "convincing" necessary.
Article 90 UCMJ.
Nonetheless, a certain degree of trust in the "leader" makes it work a
damn sight more effectively. :)
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Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> If life were fair, you'd be allowed to cap a liberal every Veteran's
> Day.
I'm a liberal (fiscally conservative) who thanks Allied WWII soldiers every
day for their efforts. I have the greatest admiration for those who serve
and those who served. However, I heartily disapprove of gung-ho generals
and politicians, especially the ones who deceive the public.
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Han
email address is invalid
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Han wrote:
>> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> If life were fair, you'd be allowed to cap a liberal every Veteran's
>>> Day.
>>
>> I'm a liberal (fiscally conservative) who thanks Allied WWII soldiers
>> every day for their efforts. I have the greatest admiration for
>> those who serve and those who served. However, I heartily disapprove
>> of gung-ho generals and politicians, especially the ones who deceive
>> the public.
>
> As a former Army officer with that coveted "combat command" so
> necessary for advancement, I can tell you with _absolute_ certainty
> that anyone who attains the rank of General IS a politician.
I believe you. In defense of said individual, it may be necessary for a
leader to convince "his" people that his way is best, and that they better
do it /NOW!/.
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Han
email address is invalid
"diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:028d512d-c222-40b9-9776-fb26f9c3678a@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com.
> ..
>> Happy Veteran's Day.
>>
>> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>>
>> MJ
>
>
> My thanks also to all those who served, from all nations.
>
> My number came up when i was 18 in the very last draft, - they
> wouldn't take me, - because of the same ailment that has now
> temporarily sidelined me. I then tried as a volunteer with an offer to
> acknowledge and absolve the military from responsibility for my
> existing condition. No dice. Bastards.
>
> WW2. My mother and father both instilled in us just how much this
> country owes the US for the final outcome of that war. We were
> constantly reminded over the years to make sure we understood and
> appreciated what it meant. I have continued that tradition.
> But for the US, we would almost certainly be speaking Japanese.
>
> "Lest we forget."
>
>
> diggerop
Amen to that.
I grew up in Wageningen, Netherlands, where the Germans finally
surrendered on May 5, 1945. In 1950 there was a parade through town of
Allies, and a taptoe (spelling?) at night, where the Marine silenbt drill
team impressed me (5 years old) tremendously.
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email address is invalid
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Han wrote:
>> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Han wrote:
>>>> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> If life were fair, you'd be allowed to cap a liberal every
>>>>> Veteran's Day.
>>>> I'm a liberal (fiscally conservative) who thanks Allied WWII
>>>> soldiers every day for their efforts. I have the greatest
>>>> admiration for those who serve and those who served. However, I
>>>> heartily disapprove of gung-ho generals and politicians, especially
>>>> the ones who deceive the public.
>>> As a former Army officer with that coveted "combat command" so
>>> necessary for advancement, I can tell you with _absolute_ certainty
>>> that anyone who attains the rank of General IS a politician.
>>
>> I believe you. In defense of said individual, it may be necessary
>> for a leader to convince "his" people that his way is best, and that
>> they better do it /NOW!/.
>
> Haven't been in the military, eh?
No. Didn't seem my favorite occupation. In fact, the choice in 1969
between compulsory military service in Holland and the chance for PhD
training in Boston was easy to make, and spouse agreed. Still does. And
we're still liberal, only a tad less than then. Moreover, we're now US
citizens.
> A military "leaders" orders are obeyed, no "convincing" necessary.
>
> Article 90 UCMJ.
That's them rules, I believe.
> Nonetheless, a certain degree of trust in the "leader" makes it work a
> damn sight more effectively. :)
Ahhh! Now the lights went on! I agree!
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email address is invalid
"diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>> m. ..
>>>> Happy Veteran's Day.
>>>>
>>>> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>>>>
>>>> MJ
>>>
>>>
>>> My thanks also to all those who served, from all nations.
>>>
>>> My number came up when i was 18 in the very last draft, - they
>>> wouldn't take me, - because of the same ailment that has now
>>> temporarily sidelined me. I then tried as a volunteer with an offer
>>> to acknowledge and absolve the military from responsibility for my
>>> existing condition. No dice. Bastards.
>>>
>>> WW2. My mother and father both instilled in us just how much this
>>> country owes the US for the final outcome of that war. We were
>>> constantly reminded over the years to make sure we understood and
>>> appreciated what it meant. I have continued that tradition.
>>> But for the US, we would almost certainly be speaking Japanese.
>>>
>>> "Lest we forget."
>>>
>>>
>>> diggerop
>>
>> Amen to that.
>>
>> I grew up in Wageningen, Netherlands, where the Germans finally
>> surrendered on May 5, 1945. In 1950 there was a parade through town
>> of Allies, and a taptoe (spelling?) at night, where the Marine
>> silenbt drill team impressed me (5 years old) tremendously.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards
>> Han
>> email address is invalid
>
> That would certainly live with you forever.
>
> This link gives the current usage and says it originated from the Old
> Dutch doe den tap toe .
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_tattoo
>
> diggerop
Thanks for the explanation. Never knew that.
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Han
email address is invalid
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:26:43 -0600, the infamous Swingman
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>Han wrote:
>>>> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> If life were fair, you'd be allowed to cap a liberal every
>>>>> Veteran's Day.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a liberal (fiscally conservative) who thanks Allied WWII
>>>> soldiers every
>>>> day for their efforts. I have the greatest admiration for those
>>>> who serve
>>>> and those who served. However, I heartily disapprove of gung-ho
>>>> generals and politicians, especially the ones who deceive the
>>>> public.
>>>
>>>As a former Army officer with that coveted "combat command" so
>>>necessary for advancement, I can tell you with _absolute_ certainty
>>>that anyone who attains the rank of General IS a politician.
>>
>> And that fact is one of the problems with our military, oui?
>
> Certainly seems to be the case. Particularly when you get the kind
> of
> nonsense we heard this week where one of them was lamenting that the
> greatest tragedy that could come out of the Ft Hood massacre would be
> for the Army to "lose its diversity". Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Over.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a woman of Somai descent who became a Dutch member of
parliament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali) wrote a book
with the title "Infidel" that is at times a bit tedious, but generally
very enlightening, especially about the conflicts that second generation
immigrants from poor islamic countries experience.
Get the book from your library!
Hasan fits in this category perfectly. Someone, somehow should have
caught this, but didn't. Neither was Timothy McVeigh caught in time, so
this type of asocial behavior is a real problem, especially with the
easy availability of weapons etc in the US.
Just my opinion, YMMV!!!
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Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Let's drop the "easy availability of weapons in the US" aspect of
> this
> that the state-run media, Mayor Daley, and other gun grabbers have
> been trying here.
>
> In this case, the guy was on a friggin' Army base. You don't think
> he
> could have wrangled access to weapons on base if he couldn't have
> gotten them off-base? McVeigh didn't use weapons other than readily
> available diesel and agricultural fertilizer. The anti-gun crowd is
> just exploiting this and it merely helps divert attention from the
> real problems here of PC in the military.
>
But apparently it wasn't an military gun or guns he used but a gun of
rather great capabilities (magazine contents) he procured in a place that
didn't ask many questions.
I agree that if someone is off-kilter enough to want a massacre he would
have found a way, but in this case it was too easy to get the weapon(s).
So my argument IS germane.
Do you know why al those soldiers in the readiness center were unarmed?
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Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> You miss the point, the fact was he was simply using an available tool
> Had they not been available that way, he would have obtained the
> appropriate tools some other way. Case in point -- the jihadis who chose
> to use vehicles to run down their victims.
I miss the point?
I can't change the mind of a determined though misguided man. Maybe you
can, or someone else. (Someone SHOULD have done something with major
Hasan). Available tools are what I am worried about. What if he had had
access to something like what Timothy McVeigh concocted?
Taking away the means should (IMNSHO) be one of our aims. Isn't that what
our efforts regarding Iran are about?
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Han wrote:
>> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> You miss the point, the fact was he was simply using an available
>>> tool Had they not been available that way, he would have obtained
>>> the appropriate tools some other way. Case in point -- the jihadis
>>> who chose to use vehicles to run down their victims.
>>
>> I miss the point?
>>
>> I can't change the mind of a determined though misguided man. Maybe
>> you can, or someone else. (Someone SHOULD have done something with
>> major Hasan). Available tools are what I am worried about.
>
> So you're going to disarm the Army lest a soldier go on a rampage?
I didn't say anything about disarming soldiers. In fact if some soldiers
(or MPs) with weapons had been present, the carnage would likely have
been less.
>> What if
>> he had had access to something like what Timothy McVeigh concocted?
>
> You mean fertilizer and diesel fuel?
Yes, but I don't think Hasan had the brains or materials.
>> Taking away the means should (IMNSHO) be one of our aims.
>
> Where there's a will there's a way. 9/11 could have been prevented by
> confiscating all the airliners. Think it would have worked?
No, but separating cabin and cockpit as is done now, after the fact,
would have been good a LOOOONG time ago.
>> Isn't that what our efforts regarding Iran are about?
>
> The infrastructure to make nuclear weapons is quite substantial. Not
> so for fertilizer bombs.
Thank God, as the saying goes.
> Sorry, Han, but if you want safety above all then move to some other
> country.
I live very nicely in a small town (07410) near NY City. Here people
reprimand neighbors' children if they misbehave. It really is nice to
live here. No need to go elsewhere.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"Doug Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Well if your life is so perfect then why do you want to change the
>> laws?
>>
>
> Geez guys give it a rest! If not, just let me have another beer or
> two and can out piss both of you!
>
> And, just to keep this a bit less OT than it already is, My dad was a
> WWII vet in the Regina Rifles, who were liberators of a good chunk of
> Holland, I was a peace time member of the Regina Rifles and my son is
> now a master corporal in the Royal Regina Rifles and is on active
> service.
>
> Thanks to all vets where ever they served, 'cause anyone with a brain
> knows that freedom is not free.
I grew up in Wageningen, where the Germans capitulated in 1945. My high
school was on the General Foulkesweg (road). (The Canandian general in
command for the surrender).
A few years ago, biking in the east of Holland paid homage to a monument
of the Queens Own Rifles of Canada near Doesburg.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:54:38 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Swingman" wrote:
>
>> chicks - now stringy haired, toothless and wrinkled with age, still
>> braless under t-shirts and halter tops though their tits hang like
>> razor strops
>
>Basic law of reality:
>
>The length of the hair should be inversely proportional to the length
>of the tit.
I'd be a lot happier if the proportion was at least equal. It might
hide some of the waist-length titties from view, knowwhatImean,Vern?
--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine
Han wrote:
> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Let's drop the "easy availability of weapons in the US" aspect of
>> this
>> that the state-run media, Mayor Daley, and other gun grabbers have
>> been trying here.
>>
>> In this case, the guy was on a friggin' Army base. You don't think
>> he
>> could have wrangled access to weapons on base if he couldn't have
>> gotten them off-base? McVeigh didn't use weapons other than readily
>> available diesel and agricultural fertilizer. The anti-gun crowd is
>> just exploiting this and it merely helps divert attention from the
>> real problems here of PC in the military.
>>
>
> But apparently it wasn't an military gun or guns he used but a gun of
> rather great capabilities (magazine contents) he procured in a place that
> didn't ask many questions.
>
> I agree that if someone is off-kilter enough to want a massacre he would
> have found a way, but in this case it was too easy to get the weapon(s).
> So my argument IS germane.
>
You miss the point, the fact was he was simply using an available tool
Had they not been available that way, he would have obtained the
appropriate tools some other way. Case in point -- the jihadis who chose
to use vehicles to run down their victims.
> Do you know why al those soldiers in the readiness center were unarmed?
>
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
Lew Hodgett said:
>"Greg G." wrote:
>
>> We in the US get blackouts. :-\
>
>Is that why Obama went to Dover in the middle of the night?
Everybody's a freaking comedian today.
It was a reference to media blackouts by the previous admin.
As for Obama, likely publicity but at least a modicum of respect for
those losses.
Greg G.
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:40:46 +0800, the infamous "diggerop"
<toobusy@themoment> scrawled the following:
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:028d512d-c222-40b9-9776-fb26f9c3678a@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> Happy Veteran's Day.
>>
>> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>>
>> MJ
>
>
>My thanks also to all those who served, from all nations.
>
>My number came up when i was 18 in the very last draft, - they wouldn't take
>me, - because of the same ailment that has now temporarily sidelined me. I
>then tried as a volunteer with an offer to acknowledge and absolve the
>military from responsibility for my existing condition. No dice.
>Bastards.
>
>WW2. My mother and father both instilled in us just how much this country
>owes the US for the final outcome of that war. We were constantly reminded
>over the years to make sure we understood and appreciated what it meant. I
>have continued that tradition.
>But for the US, we would almost certainly be speaking Japanese.
>
>"Lest we forget."
Yes, things could be worse. You could be speaking Strine. Oh, wait a
minute...
--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:15:02 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
>> OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
>> the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxi
>
>Try Austin, TX 2009, where hippies from the 60's abound. The males -
>rail thin, with scraggly grey beards, watery eyes, and half bald 'hippie
>hairdo' ponytails, still wearing tie dye and jesus sandals; the hippy
>chicks - now stringy haired, toothless and wrinkled with age, still
>braless under t-shirts and halter tops though their tits hang like razor
>strops - many drug addled and homeless, panhandle from traffic islands
>at every intersection.
>
>It's already SCARY!
I understand it's worse up in Harleyville during the Sturgis rally.
http://fwd4.me/4H7 I couldn't find the worst one, but I have it on my
machine.
--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:028d512d-c222-40b9-9776-fb26f9c3678a@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Happy Veteran's Day.
>
> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>
> MJ
My thanks also to all those who served, from all nations.
My number came up when i was 18 in the very last draft, - they wouldn't take
me, - because of the same ailment that has now temporarily sidelined me. I
then tried as a volunteer with an offer to acknowledge and absolve the
military from responsibility for my existing condition. No dice.
Bastards.
WW2. My mother and father both instilled in us just how much this country
owes the US for the final outcome of that war. We were constantly reminded
over the years to make sure we understood and appreciated what it meant. I
have continued that tradition.
But for the US, we would almost certainly be speaking Japanese.
"Lest we forget."
diggerop
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
> and the Army should keep them out of the hands of people to whom
> they are not officially issued.
LOL! Never served in the Army or Marine Corps, eh?
It is their job to be "armed" and each member is "issued" a weapon
appropriate to their job.
Historically an officer is issued a pistol, although in this case it
appears that this terrorist used his own.
On a base, and although access to both is regulated, what is regulated
more tightly than the weapons themselves (which must be practiced with
and maintained on a regular basis), is "ammunition".
In combat zones, when everyone is armed with both weapons and
ammunition, the rule of "an armed society is a polite society" is
amazingly observable.
And it works because of two basic concepts: "training" and "discipline".
Terrorists are short on both ... as we just observed again at Ft Hood.
--
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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
[email protected] wrote:
> Happy Veteran's Day.
>
> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>
> MJ
Yes Happy Veteran's Day to all who served! It is greatly appreciated!
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Address http://rentmyhusband.biz/
[email protected] wrote:
> Happy Veteran's Day.
>
> Vietnam - 67 - 68
And to all who serve now.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Greg G. wrote:
> Lew Hodgett said:
>
>> "Swingman" wrote:
>>
>>> chicks - now stringy haired, toothless and wrinkled with age, still
>>> braless under t-shirts and halter tops though their tits hang like
>>> razor strops
>> Basic law of reality:
>>
>> The length of the hair should be inversely proportional to the length
>> of the tit.
>
> Eww.. you two. Those are both visions now stuck in my head I could
> have gone forever without. I must have visited the wrong part of
> Austin, 'cause I didn't see nothin' like that in '98.
No kiddin! Nah, Swing's exaggerating - they're not at EVERY
intersection... It does seem to have been on the rise in recent years
though, but the way some of these people "put on a show" it wouldn't
surprise me (at the risk of sounding insensitive to all my liberal
buddies) if a fair number of them aren't just trying to milk the "Keep
Austin Weird" crap for all it's worth.
--
Repeat after me:
"I am we Todd it. I am sofa king we Todd it."
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
Han wrote:
> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> You miss the point, the fact was he was simply using an available
>> tool Had they not been available that way, he would have obtained the
>> appropriate tools some other way. Case in point -- the jihadis who
>> chose to use vehicles to run down their victims.
>
> I miss the point?
>
> I can't change the mind of a determined though misguided man. Maybe
> you can, or someone else. (Someone SHOULD have done something with
> major Hasan). Available tools are what I am worried about.
So you're going to disarm the Army lest a soldier go on a rampage?
> What if
> he had had access to something like what Timothy McVeigh concocted?
You mean fertilizer and diesel fuel?
> Taking away the means should (IMNSHO) be one of our aims.
Where there's a will there's a way. 9/11 could have been prevented by
confiscating all the airliners. Think it would have worked?
> Isn't that
> what our efforts regarding Iran are about?
The infrastructure to make nuclear weapons is quite substantial. Not so for
fertilizer bombs.
Sorry, Han, but if you want safety above all then move to some other
country.
Han wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Han wrote:
>>> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> You miss the point, the fact was he was simply using an available
>>>> tool Had they not been available that way, he would have obtained
>>>> the appropriate tools some other way. Case in point -- the jihadis
>>>> who chose to use vehicles to run down their victims.
>>>
>>> I miss the point?
>>>
>>> I can't change the mind of a determined though misguided man. Maybe
>>> you can, or someone else. (Someone SHOULD have done something with
>>> major Hasan). Available tools are what I am worried about.
>>
>> So you're going to disarm the Army lest a soldier go on a rampage?
>
> I didn't say anything about disarming soldiers. In fact if some
> soldiers (or MPs) with weapons had been present, the carnage would
> likely have been less.
So you do favor the paradigm that an armed citizenry will intervene
successfully in criminal actions.
By the way, the lady who shot the guy was a Department of Defense police
officer.
>>> What if
>>> he had had access to something like what Timothy McVeigh concocted?
>>
>> You mean fertilizer and diesel fuel?
>
> Yes, but I don't think Hasan had the brains or materials.
Fertilizer you get at Home Depot. Diesel you get at the gas station.
>>> Taking away the means should (IMNSHO) be one of our aims.
>>
>> Where there's a will there's a way. 9/11 could have been prevented
>> by confiscating all the airliners. Think it would have worked?
>
> No, but separating cabin and cockpit as is done now, after the fact,
> would have been good a LOOOONG time ago.
It's separated the same way now as it was then, with a door. Pilot and
passengers do not have separate entrances to the aircraft.
>>> Isn't that what our efforts regarding Iran are about?
>>
>> The infrastructure to make nuclear weapons is quite substantial. Not
>> so for fertilizer bombs.
>
> Thank God, as the saying goes.
>
>> Sorry, Han, but if you want safety above all then move to some other
>> country.
>
> I live very nicely in a small town (07410) near NY City. Here people
> reprimand neighbors' children if they misbehave. It really is nice to
> live here. No need to go elsewhere.
Well if your life is so perfect then why do you want to change the laws?
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:27:21 -0500, the infamous Greg
G.<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>FrozenNorth said:
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> Happy Veteran's Day.
>>>
>>> Vietnam - 67 - 68
>>>
>>> MJ
>>
>>:http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/remembranceday/article/723701--song-commemorates-highway-of-heroes
>>
>>Not a vet, but just a nice view of how other people cover this day.
>
>"Canadians gather along the 172-kilometre stretch of Highway 401
>between Trenton and Toronto every time a convoy carrying the body of a
>dead soldier travels that final homecoming route."
>
>Now that's reverence!
>
>We in the US get blackouts. :-\
Hell, Greg. Don't drink so much and you won't black out.
--LJ, blackout-free for 24 years 4 months now.
----------------------------------------------------
Thesaurus: Ancient reptile with excellent vocabulary
====================================================
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:13:02 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:26:43 -0600, the infamous Swingman
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>Han wrote:
>>>> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> If life were fair, you'd be allowed to cap a liberal every Veteran's
>>>>> Day.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a liberal (fiscally conservative) who thanks Allied WWII soldiers
>>>> every
>>>> day for their efforts. I have the greatest admiration for those who
>>>> serve
>>>> and those who served. However, I heartily disapprove of gung-ho
>>>> generals and politicians, especially the ones who deceive the public.
>>>
>>>As a former Army officer with that coveted "combat command" so necessary
>>>for advancement, I can tell you with _absolute_ certainty that anyone
>>>who attains the rank of General IS a politician.
>>
>> And that fact is one of the problems with our military, oui?
>
> Certainly seems to be the case. Particularly when you get the kind of
>nonsense we heard this week where one of them was lamenting that the
>greatest tragedy that could come out of the Ft Hood massacre would be for
>the Army to "lose its diversity". Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Over.
Yeah, WTF,O? I think that the Demonrats all _want_ America to fail.
My neighbor thinks that a certain guy in D.C. is an Arab sleeper, and
the more I see of him, the more I'm tending to believe her. Why did
he avoid Ft. Hood? (The last of a vast, growing line of questions.)
--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine
Steve Turner said:
>Greg G. wrote:
>> Lew Hodgett said:
>>
>>> "Swingman" wrote:
>>>
>>>> chicks - now stringy haired, toothless and wrinkled with age, still
>>>> braless under t-shirts and halter tops though their tits hang like
>>>> razor strops
>>> Basic law of reality:
>>>
>>> The length of the hair should be inversely proportional to the length
>>> of the tit.
>>
>> Eww.. you two. Those are both visions now stuck in my head I could
>> have gone forever without. I must have visited the wrong part of
>> Austin, 'cause I didn't see nothin' like that in '98.
>
>No kiddin! Nah, Swing's exaggerating - they're not at EVERY
>intersection... It does seem to have been on the rise in recent years
>though, but the way some of these people "put on a show" it wouldn't
>surprise me (at the risk of sounding insensitive to all my liberal
>buddies) if a fair number of them aren't just trying to milk the "Keep
>Austin Weird" crap for all it's worth.
After my walkabout through Texas, Corpus Christi struck me as the
weirdest place. Maybe I didn't go out after dark. Or perhaps after
living in FL, I just didn't notice.
Greg G.
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:26:43 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Han wrote:
>> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> If life were fair, you'd be allowed to cap a liberal every Veteran's
>>> Day.
>>
>> I'm a liberal (fiscally conservative) who thanks Allied WWII soldiers every
>> day for their efforts. I have the greatest admiration for those who serve
>> and those who served. However, I heartily disapprove of gung-ho generals
>> and politicians, especially the ones who deceive the public.
>
>As a former Army officer with that coveted "combat command" so necessary
>for advancement, I can tell you with _absolute_ certainty that anyone
>who attains the rank of General IS a politician.
And that fact is one of the problems with our military, oui?
--
You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxine
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:26:43 -0600, the infamous Swingman
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>Han wrote:
>>> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> If life were fair, you'd be allowed to cap a liberal every Veteran's
>>>> Day.
>>>
>>> I'm a liberal (fiscally conservative) who thanks Allied WWII soldiers
>>> every
>>> day for their efforts. I have the greatest admiration for those who
>>> serve
>>> and those who served. However, I heartily disapprove of gung-ho
>>> generals and politicians, especially the ones who deceive the public.
>>
>>As a former Army officer with that coveted "combat command" so necessary
>>for advancement, I can tell you with _absolute_ certainty that anyone
>>who attains the rank of General IS a politician.
>
> And that fact is one of the problems with our military, oui?
Certainly seems to be the case. Particularly when you get the kind of
nonsense we heard this week where one of them was lamenting that the
greatest tragedy that could come out of the Ft Hood massacre would be for
the Army to "lose its diversity". Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Over.
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
Swingman wrote:
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> You know, in about 40 years, we'll have literally thousands of
>> OLD LADIES running around with TATTOOS, and Rap Music will be
>> the Golden Oldies. Now that's SCARY! --Maxi
>
> Try Austin, TX 2009, where hippies from the 60's abound. The males -
> rail thin, with scraggly grey beards, watery eyes, and half bald 'hippie
> hairdo' ponytails, still wearing tie dye and jesus sandals; the hippy
> chicks - now stringy haired, toothless and wrinkled with age, still
> braless under t-shirts and halter tops though their tits hang like razor
> strops - many drug addled and homeless, panhandle from traffic islands
> at every intersection.
>
Gee, thanks for *those* visuals.
> It's already SCARY!
>
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
Han wrote:
> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
... snip
>>> And that fact is one of the problems with our military, oui?
>>
>> Certainly seems to be the case. Particularly when you get the kind
>> of
>> nonsense we heard this week where one of them was lamenting that the
>> greatest tragedy that could come out of the Ft Hood massacre would be
>> for the Army to "lose its diversity". Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Over.
>
> Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a woman of Somai descent who became a Dutch member of
> parliament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali) wrote a book
> with the title "Infidel" that is at times a bit tedious, but generally
> very enlightening, especially about the conflicts that second generation
> immigrants from poor islamic countries experience.
>
> Get the book from your library!
>
> Hasan fits in this category perfectly. Someone, somehow should have
> caught this, but didn't. Neither was Timothy McVeigh caught in time, so
> this type of asocial behavior is a real problem, especially with the
> easy availability of weapons etc in the US.
>
Let's drop the "easy availability of weapons in the US" aspect of this
that the state-run media, Mayor Daley, and other gun grabbers have been
trying here.
In this case, the guy was on a friggin' Army base. You don't think he
could have wrangled access to weapons on base if he couldn't have gotten
them off-base? McVeigh didn't use weapons other than readily available
diesel and agricultural fertilizer. The anti-gun crowd is just exploiting
this and it merely helps divert attention from the real problems here of PC
in the military.
> Just my opinion, YMMV!!!
>
>
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham