"Houston, we have a problem."

On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>> >On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>> >> Canterbury) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>> >>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>> >>> Texas motorways?
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>> >>>
>> >>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>> >>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>> >> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>> >> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>> >>
>> >
>> >No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>> >Houston.
>> Placarded for over-width???
>> Definitely illegal.
>> Defionitely unsafe
>
>They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>
><https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>
><https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>a PH.D gives the history:
>
>difference between 83's & 84's
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>






FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
the original spinners after 1968; the same thing happened to all
service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
emblem that attached to the center of the cover

According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
Law

On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
Canterbury) wrote:

>Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>Texas motorways?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>
>Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>Do the constables simply look the other way?

I thought it was that 007 bloke who drove a car with those sorts of
spinners, around jolly ol'.

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 20:07:07 -0700, % <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2020-01-06 6:40 p.m., The Right And The Powerful wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 15:59:33 -0700, % <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2020-01-06 3:41 p.m., Hawk wrote:
>>>> On 1/6/2020 4:54 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>> On 1/5/2020 10:17 PM, (Chaz of Canterbury) wrote:
>>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>>>> Texas motorways? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks to me like they're just for show, they wouldn't last an
>>>>> hour in a parking lot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> American cars don't have boots.  They have trunks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But I do keep boots in my trunk.
>>>
>>> my trunk hangs above my boots
>>
>> Okay
>>
>now you wanna see my junk , i knew it

So

On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 08:34:31 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:08:52 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 1/10/2020 7:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> > On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> >> On 1/7/2020 2:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>> >>>>>>> Canterbury) wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>> >>>>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>> >>>>>>>> Texas motorways?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>> >>>>>>>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>> >>>>>>> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>> >>>>>>> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>> >>>>>> Houston.
>> >>>>> Placarded for over-width???
>> >>>>> Definitely illegal.
>> >>>>> Defionitely unsafe
>> >>>>
>> >>>> They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>> >>>> a PH.D gives the history:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> difference between 83's & 84's
>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
>> >>> wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
>> >>> regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
>> >>> efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
>> >>> as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
>> >>> the original spinners after 1968; the same thing happened to all
>> >>> service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
>> >>> the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
>> >>> emblem that attached to the center of the cover
>> >>>
>> >>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
>> >>> Law
>> >>>
>> >> Regardless if the wheels are legal or not, that is not the police
>> >> departments focus.
>> >
>> > True, but minor illegalities can be used as a reason to pull someone over even
>> > if they aren't outright doing something wrong. Commonly called a pretextual
>> > stop. Sometimes all the po-po need is an excuse and anything they find
>> > afterward is in play. (more or less)
>> >
>> > My police friends have told me that they will use things as simple as clear
>> > plexiglass over a license plate as a reason to pull someone over if they
>> > suspect something is amiss. Technically, the plate is "obstructed", so no
>> > one can later claim that they were being harassed or profiled.
>> >
>> I'm a fan of Live PD and see that all the time. License plate light,
>> turn signal and next is a drug bust.
>>
>> In the new recently a car was pulled over for window tint and found a
>> million dollar in weed. Crooks can be incredibly stupid.
>
>I used to have a van with clear plexi over the personalized plates. I got
>pulled over for speeding (67 in a 55) but after the officer realized
>what a nice guy I am he decided to lessen the charge.
>
>Nice guy indicators: My plates say DERBYDAD and I was taking my 9 YO
>daughter and a couple of her friends to their basketball tournament,
>all dressed in their uniforms.
>
>He went back to his car, came back a few minutes later and said "When I
>pulled you over I called it in, so I can't just let you go. I'm giving you
>a ticket for an obstructed licence plate. $15, you can mail it in. Keep it under 65, OK?" Then he looked into the back of the van and said "Good luck,
>girls." :-)

SWMBO and I were driving home in her mustang convertible about
midnight, after a movie. I was going about 60 in a 50 and got pulled
over. Once the cop saw our gray hair, he backed down and gave me a
warning. I'm sure he was looking for kids or drunks. We certainly
didn't fit the profile.

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 17:26:12 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

>"Hawk" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>On 1/6/2020 2:56 PM, Byker wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a "black thing" that White folks wouldn't understand.
>>>
>>
>> ...and never will.
>
>No need: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU

Now, if the chimp can figure out how to load it . . .

On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 9:15:47 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/11/2020 11:34 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> >>> My police friends have told me that they will use things as simple as clear
> >>> plexiglass over a license plate as a reason to pull someone over if they
> >>> suspect something is amiss. Technically, the plate is "obstructed", so no
> >>> one can later claim that they were being harassed or profiled.
> >>>
> >> I'm a fan of Live PD and see that all the time. License plate light,
> >> turn signal and next is a drug bust.
> >>
> >> In the new recently a car was pulled over for window tint and found a
> >> million dollar in weed. Crooks can be incredibly stupid.
> >
> > I used to have a van with clear plexi over the personalized plates. I got
> > pulled over for speeding (67 in a 55) but after the officer realized
> > what a nice guy I am he decided to lessen the charge.
> >
> > Nice guy indicators: My plates say DERBYDAD and I was taking my 9 YO
> > daughter and a couple of her friends to their basketball tournament,
> > all dressed in their uniforms.
> >
> > He went back to his car, came back a few minutes later and said "When I
> > pulled you over I called it in, so I can't just let you go. I'm giving you
> > a ticket for an obstructed licence plate. $15, you can mail it in. Keep it under 65, OK?" Then he looked into the back of the van and said "Good luck,
> > girls." :-)
> >
>
> One of the best stories I've heard, a woman complained a car was
> speeding down her street every day at the same time. She called police
> to complain and they set up to stop him.
>
> Police stopped him and said "I've been waiting for you" and the driver
> replied, "I got here as fast as I could". Got a warning and problem
> solved.

I made a right hand turn from a side street onto a main road. There was a
police car coming up the road, but he was in the left lane and at least a
block away. Seconds later he's right behind me, lights on.

As I'm slowing to pull over, my mind is racing trying to figure out what
I did wrong. I used my blinker, my seat belt was on, I didn't cut him off.
What did I do?

Just as I'm about to stop, he pulls out from behind me, slows as he gets
alongside, waves, laughs, then speeds off.

Turns out it was one of the other Dad's from my daughter's basketball team.
Those DERBYDAD plates made me very recognizable around town. ;-)

On 1/7/2020 11:01 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:32:55 -0500, J. Clarke
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:09:29 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:46:13 -0500, J. Clarke
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 15:59:16 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>>>>>>>>> Canterbury) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>>>>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>>>>>>>> Texas motorways?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>>>>>>>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>>>>>>>>> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>>>>>>>>> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>>>>>>>> Houston.
>>>>>>> Placarded for over-width???
>>>>>>> Definitely illegal.
>>>>>>> Defionitely unsafe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>>>>>> a PH.D gives the history:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> difference between 83's & 84's
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
>>>>> wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
>>>>> regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
>>>>> efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
>>>>> as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
>>>>> the original spinners after 1968;
>>>>
>>>> What GM vehicle ever came with knock-off hubs?
>>>>
>>> The 'Vette, for one. and fake knockoffs were pretty common in the
>>> fifties and sixties
>>>>> the same thing happened to all
>>>>> service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
>>>>> the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
>>>>> emblem that attached to the center of the cover
>>>>>
>>>>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
>>>>> Law
>>>>
>>>> Federal motor vehicle standards govern manufacturers of motor
>>>> vehicles, not end users. You can call the FBI or the NHTSA or the ICC
>>>> or whatever agency you think may have jurisdiction but don't expect
>>>> more than a polite brush-off from them.
>>>
>>> Modifications that go against federal motor vehicle safety standards
>>> ARE illegal - whether it is enforced, selectively enforced, or not
>>> enforced doesn't change that.
>>
>> Cite the statute if you believe that.
>>
>> "Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this
>> title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not
>> manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for
>> introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States,
>> any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after
>> the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under
>> this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies
>> with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under
>> section 30115 of this title."
>>
>> Note the wording there. They're relying on the Commerce Clause for
>> their authority--if you aren't selling it it isn't commerce.
>
> So you think those abortions are not sold?????
>>
>> "This section does not apply to—
>> (1)the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for
>> introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor
>> vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment
>> in good faith other than for resale;"
>>
>> In other words it doesn't apply to the purchaser.
> It's still illegal to sell the crap. Which tends to indicate it is
> illegal to buy and use it, I know you libertarian yanks and rebs like
> to bust every law you can get your minds around - if itisn't
> SPECIFICALLY prohibited it's fair game.
>>

Well, that's only due to the fact that "that which is not prohibited by
law, is permitted."

IOW everything is legal to do until a law is passed to the contrary.

In this case, it would seem that even if those chariot knives or
whatever the f**k the morons placing them on their cars call them, are
illegal equipment on a car being sold by General Motors, the language of
the act, again quoted below, specifically excludes, subsequent sellers.

"This section does not apply to—
>> (1)the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for
>> introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor
>> vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment
>> in good faith other than for resale;"

Further, nothing in the federal law appears to prohibit the use of the
various items only prohibits the manufacturers from including them or
mandates them to be included.

The state laws handle that, if they so choose.

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:08:52 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/10/2020 7:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 1/7/2020 2:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
> >>>>>>> Canterbury) wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
> >>>>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
> >>>>>>>> Texas motorways?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
> >>>>>>>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
> >>>>>>> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
> >>>>>>> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
> >>>>>> Houston.
> >>>>> Placarded for over-width???
> >>>>> Definitely illegal.
> >>>>> Defionitely unsafe
> >>>>
> >>>> They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
> >>>> a PH.D gives the history:
> >>>>
> >>>> difference between 83's & 84's
> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
> >>> wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
> >>> regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
> >>> efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
> >>> as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
> >>> the original spinners after 1968; the same thing happened to all
> >>> service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
> >>> the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
> >>> emblem that attached to the center of the cover
> >>>
> >>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
> >>> Law
> >>>
> >> Regardless if the wheels are legal or not, that is not the police
> >> departments focus.
> >
> > True, but minor illegalities can be used as a reason to pull someone over even
> > if they aren't outright doing something wrong. Commonly called a pretextual
> > stop. Sometimes all the po-po need is an excuse and anything they find
> > afterward is in play. (more or less)
> >
> > My police friends have told me that they will use things as simple as clear
> > plexiglass over a license plate as a reason to pull someone over if they
> > suspect something is amiss. Technically, the plate is "obstructed", so no
> > one can later claim that they were being harassed or profiled.
> >
> I'm a fan of Live PD and see that all the time. License plate light,
> turn signal and next is a drug bust.
>
> In the new recently a car was pulled over for window tint and found a
> million dollar in weed. Crooks can be incredibly stupid.

I used to have a van with clear plexi over the personalized plates. I got
pulled over for speeding (67 in a 55) but after the officer realized
what a nice guy I am he decided to lessen the charge.

Nice guy indicators: My plates say DERBYDAD and I was taking my 9 YO
daughter and a couple of her friends to their basketball tournament,
all dressed in their uniforms.

He went back to his car, came back a few minutes later and said "When I
pulled you over I called it in, so I can't just let you go. I'm giving you
a ticket for an obstructed licence plate. $15, you can mail it in. Keep it under 65, OK?" Then he looked into the back of the van and said "Good luck,
girls." :-)

Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
> >On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> >> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
> >> Canterbury) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
> >>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
> >>> Texas motorways?
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
> >>>
> >>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
> >>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
> >> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
> >> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
> >>
> >
> >No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
> >Houston.
> Placarded for over-width???
> Definitely illegal.
> Defionitely unsafe

They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.

<https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>

<https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
a PH.D gives the history:

difference between 83's & 84's
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>

On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 15:59:16 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> >> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>>> >> Canterbury) wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>> >>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>> >>> Texas motorways?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>> >>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>>> >> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>>> >> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>>> >Houston.
>>> Placarded for over-width???
>>> Definitely illegal.
>>> Defionitely unsafe
>>
>>They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>>
>><https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>>
>><https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>>
>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>>a PH.D gives the history:
>>
>>difference between 83's & 84's
>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
>wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
>regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
>efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
>as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
>the original spinners after 1968;

What GM vehicle ever came with knock-off hubs?

>the same thing happened to all
>service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
>the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
>emblem that attached to the center of the cover
>
> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
>Law

Federal motor vehicle standards govern manufacturers of motor
vehicles, not end users. You can call the FBI or the NHTSA or the ICC
or whatever agency you think may have jurisdiction but don't expect
more than a polite brush-off from them.

On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:32:55 -0500, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:09:29 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:46:13 -0500, J. Clarke
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 15:59:16 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>>> >> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>>>>>> >> Canterbury) wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>>>> >>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>>>> >>> Texas motorways?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>>>> >>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>>>>>> >> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>>>>>> >> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>>>>>> >Houston.
>>>>>> Placarded for over-width???
>>>>>> Definitely illegal.
>>>>>> Defionitely unsafe
>>>>>
>>>>>They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>>>>>
>>>>><https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>>>>>
>>>>><https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>>>>>
>>>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>>>>>a PH.D gives the history:
>>>>>
>>>>>difference between 83's & 84's
>>>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
>>>>wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
>>>>regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
>>>>efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
>>>>as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
>>>>the original spinners after 1968;
>>>
>>>What GM vehicle ever came with knock-off hubs?
>>>
>> The 'Vette, for one. and fake knockoffs were pretty common in the
>>fifties and sixties
>>>>the same thing happened to all
>>>>service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
>>>>the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
>>>>emblem that attached to the center of the cover
>>>>
>>>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
>>>>Law
>>>
>>>Federal motor vehicle standards govern manufacturers of motor
>>>vehicles, not end users. You can call the FBI or the NHTSA or the ICC
>>>or whatever agency you think may have jurisdiction but don't expect
>>>more than a polite brush-off from them.
>>
>> Modifications that go against federal motor vehicle safety standards
>>ARE illegal - whether it is enforced, selectively enforced, or not
>>enforced doesn't change that.
>
>Cite the statute if you believe that.
>
>"Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this
>title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not
>manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for
>introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States,
>any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after
>the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under
>this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies
>with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under
>section 30115 of this title."
>
>Note the wording there. They're relying on the Commerce Clause for
>their authority--if you aren't selling it it isn't commerce.

So you think those abortions are not sold?????
>
>"This section does not apply to—
>(1)the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for
>introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor
>vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment
>in good faith other than for resale;"
>
>In other words it doesn't apply to the purchaser.
It's still illegal to sell the crap. Which tends to indicate it is
illegal to buy and use it, I know you libertarian yanks and rebs like
to bust every law you can get your minds around - if itisn't
SPECIFICALLY prohibited it's fair game.
>

On 1/10/2020 6:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/7/2020 2:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>>>>>>> Canterbury) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>>>>>> Texas motorways?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>>>>>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>>>>>>> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>>>>>>> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>>>>>> Houston.
>>>>> Placarded for over-width???
>>>>> Definitely illegal.
>>>>> Defionitely unsafe
>>>>
>>>> They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>>>>
>>>> <https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>>>> a PH.D gives the history:
>>>>
>>>> difference between 83's & 84's
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
>>> wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
>>> regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
>>> efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
>>> as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
>>> the original spinners after 1968; the same thing happened to all
>>> service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
>>> the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
>>> emblem that attached to the center of the cover
>>>
>>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
>>> Law
>>>
>> Regardless if the wheels are legal or not, that is not the police
>> departments focus.
>
> True, but minor illegalities can be used as a reason to pull someone over even
> if they aren't outright doing something wrong. Commonly called a pretextual
> stop. Sometimes all the po-po need is an excuse and anything they find
> afterward is in play. (more or less)
>
> My police friends have told me that they will use things as simple as clear
> plexiglass over a license plate as a reason to pull someone over if they
> suspect something is amiss. Technically, the plate is "obstructed", so no
> one can later claim that they were being harassed or profiled.
>
But the police, in Houston, are not pulling these vehicles over because
they are going to issue a ticket for the wheels.

Vehicles can be pulled over for most any reason, like driving
erratically, whether you are actually driving erratically or not. This
is happened to me late at night so that the policeman could get a look
inside the bed of my truck. He also said that I had a tail light that
was out, which I did not.

On 1/5/2020 10:17 PM, (Chaz of Canterbury) wrote:
> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
> Texas motorways?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk

Looks to me like they're just for show, they wouldn't last an
hour in a parking lot.
>
> Driving with the boot lid open as well?

American cars don't have boots. They have trunks.

> Do the constables simply look the other way?

On 1/12/2020 2:03 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 12:45:14 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/10/2020 6:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 1/7/2020 2:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>>>>>>>>> Canterbury) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>>>>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>>>>>>>> Texas motorways?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>>>>>>>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>>>>>>>>> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>>>>>>>>> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>>>>>>>> Houston.
>>>>>>> Placarded for over-width???
>>>>>>> Definitely illegal.
>>>>>>> Defionitely unsafe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>>>>>> a PH.D gives the history:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> difference between 83's & 84's
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
>>>>> wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
>>>>> regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
>>>>> efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
>>>>> as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
>>>>> the original spinners after 1968; the same thing happened to all
>>>>> service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
>>>>> the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
>>>>> emblem that attached to the center of the cover
>>>>>
>>>>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
>>>>> Law
>>>>>
>>>> Regardless if the wheels are legal or not, that is not the police
>>>> departments focus.
>>>
>>> True, but minor illegalities can be used as a reason to pull someone over even
>>> if they aren't outright doing something wrong. Commonly called a pretextual
>>> stop. Sometimes all the po-po need is an excuse and anything they find
>>> afterward is in play. (more or less)
>>>
>>> My police friends have told me that they will use things as simple as clear
>>> plexiglass over a license plate as a reason to pull someone over if they
>>> suspect something is amiss. Technically, the plate is "obstructed", so no
>>> one can later claim that they were being harassed or profiled.
>>>
>> But the police, in Houston, are not pulling these vehicles over because
>> they are going to issue a ticket for the wheels.
>>
>
> That was actually my point. ;-)
>
> They use anything that could possibly be illegal as an excuse to look for
> other stuff. If they find nothing, odds are they'll send the driver on his
> way, unless of course the driver is an a-hole.

Two maxims involving contact with police:

1) You cannot always talk your way out of a ticket!

2) You CAN always talk your way into a ticket! ;)

On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
> Canterbury) wrote:
>
>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>> Texas motorways?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>
>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>

No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
Houston.

"Chaz of Canterbury" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell these Ben Hur
> death-chariot wheels are legal on Texas motorways?

It's a "black thing" that White folks wouldn't understand.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>
> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
> Do the constables simply look the other way?

To interfere would be "racist"...

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 1/7/2020 2:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> > On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
> >>>>> Canterbury) wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
> >>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
> >>>>>> Texas motorways?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
> >>>>>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
> >>>>> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
> >>>>> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
> >>>> Houston.
> >>> Placarded for over-width???
> >>> Definitely illegal.
> >>> Defionitely unsafe
> >>
> >> They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
> >>
> >> <https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
> >>
> >> <https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
> >>
> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
> >> a PH.D gives the history:
> >>
> >> difference between 83's & 84's
> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
> > wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
> > regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
> > efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
> > as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
> > the original spinners after 1968; the same thing happened to all
> > service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
> > the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
> > emblem that attached to the center of the cover
> >
> > According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
> > Law
> >
> Regardless if the wheels are legal or not, that is not the police
> departments focus.

True, but minor illegalities can be used as a reason to pull someone over even
if they aren't outright doing something wrong. Commonly called a pretextual
stop. Sometimes all the po-po need is an excuse and anything they find
afterward is in play. (more or less)

My police friends have told me that they will use things as simple as clear
plexiglass over a license plate as a reason to pull someone over if they
suspect something is amiss. Technically, the plate is "obstructed", so no
one can later claim that they were being harassed or profiled.

On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>> >On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>> >> Canterbury) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>> >>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>> >>> Texas motorways?
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>> >>>
>> >>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>> >>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>> >> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>> >> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>> >>
>> >
>> >No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>> >Houston.
>> Placarded for over-width???
>> Definitely illegal.
>> Defionitely unsafe
>
>They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>
><https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>
><https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>a PH.D gives the history:
>
>difference between 83's & 84's
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
Ontario law prohibits :
Any BODY section has exposed sharp edge, is torn or protrudes out in a
manner that could be hazardous to driver,passenger, pedestrian or
cyclist.
Any TRIM protrudes or has exposed sharp edge, or is torn in a manner
that could be hazardous to driver, passenger, pedestrian or cyclist

Any Device or Equipment Attached or Mounted to the Vehicle
has an exposed sharp edge, is torn or protrudes out in a manner that
could be hazardous to the driver, a passenger, pedestrian or cyclist

Any WHEEL wheel / rim has been welded or repaired in a way that does
not meet industry standard

So no, they would NOT be legal in Ontario - the car woulf be removed
from the road and in all likelihood the wheels would be confiscated.

>On 06/01/2020 21:54, Just Wondering wrote:
>> American cars don't have boots.  They have trunks.
>
>and they drive on the pavement.
>
>Tone

The wrong way. And all their light switches are upside down

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

On 1/7/2020 2:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>>>>> Canterbury) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>>>> Texas motorways?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>>>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>>>>> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>>>>> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>>>> Houston.
>>> Placarded for over-width???
>>> Definitely illegal.
>>> Defionitely unsafe
>>
>> They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>>
>> <https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>>
>> <https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>> a PH.D gives the history:
>>
>> difference between 83's & 84's
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
> wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
> regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
> efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
> as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
> the original spinners after 1968; the same thing happened to all
> service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
> the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
> emblem that attached to the center of the cover
>
> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
> Law
>
Regardless if the wheels are legal or not, that is not the police
departments focus.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>> Canterbury) wrote:
>>
>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>> Texas motorways?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>
>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>>
>
>No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>Houston.
Placarded for over-width???
Definitely illegal.
Defionitely unsafe

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 1:15:31 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 08:34:31 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:08:52 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 1/10/2020 7:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> > On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> >> On 1/7/2020 2:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> >> >>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
> >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
> >> >>>>>>> Canterbury) wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
> >> >>>>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
> >> >>>>>>>> Texas motorways?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
> >> >>>>>>>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
> >> >>>>>>> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
> >> >>>>>>> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
> >> >>>>>> Houston.
> >> >>>>> Placarded for over-width???
> >> >>>>> Definitely illegal.
> >> >>>>> Defionitely unsafe
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> <https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> <https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
> >> >>>> a PH.D gives the history:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> difference between 83's & 84's
> >> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
> >> >>> wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
> >> >>> regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
> >> >>> efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
> >> >>> as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
> >> >>> the original spinners after 1968; the same thing happened to all
> >> >>> service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
> >> >>> the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
> >> >>> emblem that attached to the center of the cover
> >> >>>
> >> >>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
> >> >>> Law
> >> >>>
> >> >> Regardless if the wheels are legal or not, that is not the police
> >> >> departments focus.
> >> >
> >> > True, but minor illegalities can be used as a reason to pull someone over even
> >> > if they aren't outright doing something wrong. Commonly called a pretextual
> >> > stop. Sometimes all the po-po need is an excuse and anything they find
> >> > afterward is in play. (more or less)
> >> >
> >> > My police friends have told me that they will use things as simple as clear
> >> > plexiglass over a license plate as a reason to pull someone over if they
> >> > suspect something is amiss. Technically, the plate is "obstructed", so no
> >> > one can later claim that they were being harassed or profiled.
> >> >
> >> I'm a fan of Live PD and see that all the time. License plate light,
> >> turn signal and next is a drug bust.
> >>
> >> In the new recently a car was pulled over for window tint and found a
> >> million dollar in weed. Crooks can be incredibly stupid.
> >
> >I used to have a van with clear plexi over the personalized plates. I got
> >pulled over for speeding (67 in a 55) but after the officer realized
> >what a nice guy I am he decided to lessen the charge.
> >
> >Nice guy indicators: My plates say DERBYDAD and I was taking my 9 YO
> >daughter and a couple of her friends to their basketball tournament,
> >all dressed in their uniforms.
> >
> >He went back to his car, came back a few minutes later and said "When I
> >pulled you over I called it in, so I can't just let you go. I'm giving you
> >a ticket for an obstructed licence plate. $15, you can mail it in. Keep it under 65, OK?" Then he looked into the back of the van and said "Good luck,
> >girls." :-)
>
> SWMBO and I were driving home in her mustang convertible about
> midnight, after a movie. I was going about 60 in a 50 and got pulled
> over. Once the cop saw our gray hair, he backed down and gave me a
> warning. I'm sure he was looking for kids or drunks. We certainly
> didn't fit the profile.

My DERBYDAD plates have saved me more than once.

I was driving on what is typically a deserted 4 lane highway. After mid-night,
doing 75 in a 55. I haven't seen another car for almost an hour. Dodge
conversion van, rear bench in the bed position, my son's Soap Box Derby car
on resting on the bed.

Cop pulls me over, asks me where I'm heading in such a hurry. I point to the
Derby car and say "Going home after working on my son's car all evening." He
smiles and says "Well, that explains the plates. I'm sure you know we give
folks a little leeway out here. Try to keep it under 70. Have a good night."

On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 20:45:26 -0500, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 17:26:12 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
>
>>"Hawk" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>>On 1/6/2020 2:56 PM, Byker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's a "black thing" that White folks wouldn't understand.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ...and never will.
>>
>>No need: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU
>
>Now, if the chimp can figure out how to load it . . .

Okay trimmed the headers it is not going to

uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.sheds,
soc.culture.african.american,alt.checkmate

anymore

On 2020-01-06 3:41 p.m., Hawk wrote:
> On 1/6/2020 4:54 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 1/5/2020 10:17 PM, (Chaz of Canterbury) wrote:
>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>> Texas motorways? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>
>> Looks to me like they're just for show, they wouldn't last an
>> hour in a parking lot.
>>>
>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>
>> American cars don't have boots.  They have trunks.
>>
>
>
> But I do keep boots in my trunk.

my trunk hangs above my boots

On 2020-01-06 6:40 p.m., The Right And The Powerful wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 15:59:33 -0700, % <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2020-01-06 3:41 p.m., Hawk wrote:
>>> On 1/6/2020 4:54 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>> On 1/5/2020 10:17 PM, (Chaz of Canterbury) wrote:
>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>>> Texas motorways? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>>
>>>> Looks to me like they're just for show, they wouldn't last an
>>>> hour in a parking lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>>
>>>> American cars don't have boots.  They have trunks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I do keep boots in my trunk.
>>
>> my trunk hangs above my boots
>
> Okay
>
now you wanna see my junk , i knew it

On 2020-01-06 8:44 p.m., The Right And The Powerful wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 20:07:07 -0700, % <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2020-01-06 6:40 p.m., The Right And The Powerful wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 15:59:33 -0700, % <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2020-01-06 3:41 p.m., Hawk wrote:
>>>>> On 1/6/2020 4:54 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/5/2020 10:17 PM, (Chaz of Canterbury) wrote:
>>>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>>>>> Texas motorways? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks to me like they're just for show, they wouldn't last an
>>>>>> hour in a parking lot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> American cars don't have boots.  They have trunks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But I do keep boots in my trunk.
>>>>
>>>> my trunk hangs above my boots
>>>
>>> Okay
>>>
>> now you wanna see my junk , i knew it
>
> So
>
i know

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On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000 [email protected] put forth the
following notion, which was duly noted and recorded:


>
> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
> Texas motorways?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>
> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
> Do the constables simply look the other way?

Those gentlemens were speaking a dialect I'm not familiar with, but I did
manage to determine that they call them "Swangs"... it's a ghetto thang.

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On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 17:26:12 -0600 Byker put forth the following notion,
which was duly noted and recorded:


>
> "Hawk" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> On 1/6/2020 2:56 PM, Byker wrote:
> >>
> >> It's a "black thing" that White folks wouldn't understand.
> >>
> >
> > ...and never will.
>
> No need: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU

Doze wheeels, dey called "swangs". In Houston every nigga want da swangs,
and ya godda haf a fid wheeel to. If you ain't godda fid wheeel wid
swangs, you ain't sheet, know i'm sayin'?

Here dis white dude explain it jes lika nigga wood:

https://youtu.be/zKJ9l697vow?t=194

An don't nobody call me a racess, cuz i'm jes sayin'...

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On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 12:45:14 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 1/10/2020 6:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 1/7/2020 2:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
> >>>>>>> Canterbury) wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
> >>>>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
> >>>>>>>> Texas motorways?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
> >>>>>>>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
> >>>>>>> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
> >>>>>>> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
> >>>>>> Houston.
> >>>>> Placarded for over-width???
> >>>>> Definitely illegal.
> >>>>> Defionitely unsafe
> >>>>
> >>>> They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
> >>>> a PH.D gives the history:
> >>>>
> >>>> difference between 83's & 84's
> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
> >>> wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
> >>> regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
> >>> efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
> >>> as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
> >>> the original spinners after 1968; the same thing happened to all
> >>> service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
> >>> the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
> >>> emblem that attached to the center of the cover
> >>>
> >>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
> >>> Law
> >>>
> >> Regardless if the wheels are legal or not, that is not the police
> >> departments focus.
> >
> > True, but minor illegalities can be used as a reason to pull someone over even
> > if they aren't outright doing something wrong. Commonly called a pretextual
> > stop. Sometimes all the po-po need is an excuse and anything they find
> > afterward is in play. (more or less)
> >
> > My police friends have told me that they will use things as simple as clear
> > plexiglass over a license plate as a reason to pull someone over if they
> > suspect something is amiss. Technically, the plate is "obstructed", so no
> > one can later claim that they were being harassed or profiled.
> >
> But the police, in Houston, are not pulling these vehicles over because
> they are going to issue a ticket for the wheels.
>

That was actually my point. ;-)

They use anything that could possibly be illegal as an excuse to look for
other stuff. If they find nothing, odds are they'll send the driver on his
way, unless of course the driver is an a-hole.

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 11:17:04 PM UTC-6, Chaz of Canterbury wrote:
> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
> Texas motorways?

You can't install them, as they don't fit correctly, on horses.

Sonny

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 12:01:39 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:32:55 -0500, J. Clarke
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:09:29 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:46:13 -0500, J. Clarke
> >><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 15:59:16 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
> >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wr=
ote:
> >>>>>>=20
> >>>>>> >On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> >>>>>> >> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
> >>>>>> >> Canterbury) wrote:
> >>>>>> >>=20
> >>>>>> >>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
> >>>>>> >>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
> >>>>>> >>> Texas motorways?
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMIjMgDHFFgk
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
> >>>>>> >>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
> >>>>>> >> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open w=
ould not
> >>>>>> >> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
> >>>>>> >>=20
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freew=
ays in=20
> >>>>>> >Houston.
> >>>>>> Placarded for over-width???
> >>>>>> Definitely illegal.
> >>>>>> Defionitely unsafe
> >>>>>
> >>>>>They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.=20
> >>>>>
> >>>>><https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>><https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-ar=
e-they-legal/285-567542949>
> >>>>>
> >>>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DQLRVdADj8Og>
> >>>>>a PH.D gives the history:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>difference between 83's & 84's
> >>>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoZbb_R18OIo>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>=20
> >>>>=20
> >>>>FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
> >>>>wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
> >>>>regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
> >>>>efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
> >>>>as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sel=
l
> >>>>the original spinners after 1968;=20
> >>>
> >>>What GM vehicle ever came with knock-off hubs?
> >>>
> >> The 'Vette, for one. and fake knockoffs were pretty common in the
> >>fifties and sixties
> >>>>the same thing happened to all
> >>>>service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
> >>>>the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
> >>>>emblem that attached to the center of the cover
> >>>>
> >>>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
> >>>>Law
> >>>
> >>>Federal motor vehicle standards govern manufacturers of motor
> >>>vehicles, not end users. You can call the FBI or the NHTSA or the ICC
> >>>or whatever agency you think may have jurisdiction but don't expect
> >>>more than a polite brush-off from them.
> >>
> >> Modifications that go against federal motor vehicle safety standards
> >>ARE illegal - whether it is enforced, selectively enforced, or not
> >>enforced doesn't change that.
> >
> >Cite the statute if you believe that.
> >
> >"Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this
> >title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not
> >manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for
> >introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States,
> >any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after
> >the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under
> >this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies
> >with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under
> >section 30115 of this title."
> >
> >Note the wording there. They're relying on the Commerce Clause for
> >their authority--if you aren't selling it it isn't commerce.
>=20
> So you think those abortions are not sold?????
> >
> >"This section does not apply to=E2=80=94
> >(1)the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for
> >introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor
> >vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment
> >in good faith other than for resale;"
> >
> >In other words it doesn't apply to the purchaser.
> It's still illegal to sell the crap. Which tends to indicate it is
> illegal to buy and use it, I know you libertarian yanks and rebs like
> to bust every law you can get your minds around - if itisn't
> SPECIFICALLY prohibited it's fair game.
> >

"tends to indicate"

That's a pretty strong argument. Akin to... =20

might, maybe
kind of, sort of

It's illegal to sell homemade wine, but you can use it
It's illegal to sell a counterfeit handbag, but you can use it

The law related to the selling of a product doesn't automatically make=20
(or even indicate) its use illegal. There would need to be specific law gov=
erning the product's use.

On 06/01/2020 05:17, (Chaz of Canterbury) wrote:

> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
> Texas motorways?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>
> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
> Do the constables simply look the other way?

I don't recall seeing anyone drive with the boot lid open, though I
can't think of any particular reason why it would be illegal, whether in
the UK or the USA, as long as there were at least two mirrors whose use
was not restricted by the boot lid. The rear view would be just as good
as that from a bus, van or truck.

But the last time I was in Texas, I do remember seeing a car on the
freeway with those long, aggressive, hub/axle extensions which are so
reminiscent of the charit race in the 1959 "Ben Hur".

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 15:59:33 -0700, % <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2020-01-06 3:41 p.m., Hawk wrote:
>> On 1/6/2020 4:54 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>> On 1/5/2020 10:17 PM, (Chaz of Canterbury) wrote:
>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>> Texas motorways? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>
>>> Looks to me like they're just for show, they wouldn't last an
>>> hour in a parking lot.
>>>>
>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>
>>> American cars don't have boots.  They have trunks.
>>>
>>
>>
>> But I do keep boots in my trunk.
>
>my trunk hangs above my boots

You must be one of those racist Republicans.

On Wed, 08 Jan 2020 00:01:36 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:32:55 -0500, J. Clarke
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:09:29 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:46:13 -0500, J. Clarke
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 15:59:16 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>>>>>>> >> Canterbury) wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>>>>> >>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>>>>> >>> Texas motorways?
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>>>>> >>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>>>>>>> >> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>>>>>>> >> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>>>>>>> >Houston.
>>>>>>> Placarded for over-width???
>>>>>>> Definitely illegal.
>>>>>>> Defionitely unsafe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>>>>>>
>>>>>><https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>>>>>>a PH.D gives the history:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>difference between 83's & 84's
>>>>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
>>>>>wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
>>>>>regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
>>>>>efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
>>>>>as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
>>>>>the original spinners after 1968;
>>>>
>>>>What GM vehicle ever came with knock-off hubs?
>>>>
>>> The 'Vette, for one. and fake knockoffs were pretty common in the
>>>fifties and sixties
>>>>>the same thing happened to all
>>>>>service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
>>>>>the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
>>>>>emblem that attached to the center of the cover
>>>>>
>>>>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
>>>>>Law
>>>>
>>>>Federal motor vehicle standards govern manufacturers of motor
>>>>vehicles, not end users. You can call the FBI or the NHTSA or the ICC
>>>>or whatever agency you think may have jurisdiction but don't expect
>>>>more than a polite brush-off from them.
>>>
>>> Modifications that go against federal motor vehicle safety standards
>>>ARE illegal - whether it is enforced, selectively enforced, or not
>>>enforced doesn't change that.
>>
>>Cite the statute if you believe that.
>>
>>"Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this
>>title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not
>>manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for
>>introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States,
>>any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after
>>the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under
>>this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies
>>with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under
>>section 30115 of this title."
>>
>>Note the wording there. They're relying on the Commerce Clause for
>>their authority--if you aren't selling it it isn't commerce.
>
> So you think those abortions are not sold?????

You argued that modifications are illegal. Not the selling of
modified vehicles but the modifications themselves. Now you seem to
be trying to move the goalposts.

>>"This section does not apply to—
>>(1)the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for
>>introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor
>>vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment
>>in good faith other than for resale;"
>>
>>In other words it doesn't apply to the purchaser.
> It's still illegal to sell the crap.

It is? Show us the statute which says that it is unlawful to sell,
say, a winged knockoff hub.

> Which tends to indicate it is
>illegal to buy and use it, I know you libertarian yanks and rebs like
>to bust every law you can get your minds around - if itisn't
>SPECIFICALLY prohibited it's fair game.

This is the United States, where anything that is not specifically
prohibited is legal. This is a basic premise of legal systems derived
from the English legal system. You might be happier moving to Russia
or some other authoritarian country where the opposite is the case.

However, getting back to cars, the statute defines a "motor vehicle"
as "a vehicle driven or drawn by mechanical power and manufactured
primarily for use on public streets, roads, and highways,". If the
part has some use on something other than such a vehicle, then it is
up to the government to fight the uphill battle of proving that it is
"motor vehicle equipment".

By your logic racing cars and museum pieces would be banned.

Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Modifications that go against federal motor vehicle safety standards
> ARE illegal - whether it is enforced, selectively enforced, or not
> enforced doesn't change that.

Well yeahbut, but, but, ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oncY6GKwjt8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FlBc-0QvSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI71up9UPmM

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 15:59:33 -0700, % <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2020-01-06 3:41 p.m., Hawk wrote:
>> On 1/6/2020 4:54 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>> On 1/5/2020 10:17 PM, (Chaz of Canterbury) wrote:
>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>> Texas motorways? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>
>>> Looks to me like they're just for show, they wouldn't last an
>>> hour in a parking lot.
>>>>
>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>
>>> American cars don't have boots.  They have trunks.
>>>
>>
>>
>> But I do keep boots in my trunk.
>
>my trunk hangs above my boots

Okay

On 1/10/2020 7:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/7/2020 2:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>>>>>>> Canterbury) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>>>>>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>>>>>> Texas motorways?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>>>>>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>>>>>>> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>>>>>>> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>>>>>> Houston.
>>>>> Placarded for over-width???
>>>>> Definitely illegal.
>>>>> Defionitely unsafe
>>>>
>>>> They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>>>>
>>>> <https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>>>> a PH.D gives the history:
>>>>
>>>> difference between 83's & 84's
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
>>> wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
>>> regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
>>> efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
>>> as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
>>> the original spinners after 1968; the same thing happened to all
>>> service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
>>> the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
>>> emblem that attached to the center of the cover
>>>
>>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
>>> Law
>>>
>> Regardless if the wheels are legal or not, that is not the police
>> departments focus.
>
> True, but minor illegalities can be used as a reason to pull someone over even
> if they aren't outright doing something wrong. Commonly called a pretextual
> stop. Sometimes all the po-po need is an excuse and anything they find
> afterward is in play. (more or less)
>
> My police friends have told me that they will use things as simple as clear
> plexiglass over a license plate as a reason to pull someone over if they
> suspect something is amiss. Technically, the plate is "obstructed", so no
> one can later claim that they were being harassed or profiled.
>
I'm a fan of Live PD and see that all the time. License plate light,
turn signal and next is a drug bust.

In the new recently a car was pulled over for window tint and found a
million dollar in weed. Crooks can be incredibly stupid.

On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:46:13 -0500, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 15:59:16 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> >> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
>>>> >> Canterbury) wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>>>> >>> these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>>>> >>> Texas motorways?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>>>> >>> Do the constables simply look the other way?
>>>> >> Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
>>>> >> be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
>>>> >Houston.
>>>> Placarded for over-width???
>>>> Definitely illegal.
>>>> Defionitely unsafe
>>>
>>>They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
>>>
>>><https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/>
>>>
>>><https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949>
>>>
>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og>
>>>a PH.D gives the history:
>>>
>>>difference between 83's & 84's
>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
>>wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
>>regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
>>efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
>>as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
>>the original spinners after 1968;
>
>What GM vehicle ever came with knock-off hubs?
>
The 'Vette, for one. and fake knockoffs were pretty common in the
fifties and sixties
>>the same thing happened to all
>>service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
>>the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
>>emblem that attached to the center of the cover
>>
>> According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
>>Law
>
>Federal motor vehicle standards govern manufacturers of motor
>vehicles, not end users. You can call the FBI or the NHTSA or the ICC
>or whatever agency you think may have jurisdiction but don't expect
>more than a polite brush-off from them.

Modifications that go against federal motor vehicle safety standards
ARE illegal - whether it is enforced, selectively enforced, or not
enforced doesn't change that.

On 1/11/2020 11:34 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

>>> My police friends have told me that they will use things as simple as clear
>>> plexiglass over a license plate as a reason to pull someone over if they
>>> suspect something is amiss. Technically, the plate is "obstructed", so no
>>> one can later claim that they were being harassed or profiled.
>>>
>> I'm a fan of Live PD and see that all the time. License plate light,
>> turn signal and next is a drug bust.
>>
>> In the new recently a car was pulled over for window tint and found a
>> million dollar in weed. Crooks can be incredibly stupid.
>
> I used to have a van with clear plexi over the personalized plates. I got
> pulled over for speeding (67 in a 55) but after the officer realized
> what a nice guy I am he decided to lessen the charge.
>
> Nice guy indicators: My plates say DERBYDAD and I was taking my 9 YO
> daughter and a couple of her friends to their basketball tournament,
> all dressed in their uniforms.
>
> He went back to his car, came back a few minutes later and said "When I
> pulled you over I called it in, so I can't just let you go. I'm giving you
> a ticket for an obstructed licence plate. $15, you can mail it in. Keep it under 65, OK?" Then he looked into the back of the van and said "Good luck,
> girls." :-)
>

One of the best stories I've heard, a woman complained a car was
speeding down her street every day at the same time. She called police
to complain and they set up to stop him.

Police stopped him and said "I've been waiting for you" and the driver
replied, "I got here as fast as I could". Got a warning and problem
solved.

On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, <[email protected]> (Chaz of
Canterbury) wrote:

>Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
>these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
>Texas motorways?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk
>
>Driving with the boot lid open as well?
>Do the constables simply look the other way?
Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out