Somebody on the trumpet group came up with a nifty idea for a flugel prop.
I'm fixin' to make him one, but I haven't quite solved all the engineering
problems yet.
Basically this thing is a wooden foot attached to some kind of padded dongle
to affix it to a suitable piece of tubing on the horn. On some
instruments, this tubing will be part of the bell flare, and will have a
gradual taper. On others, it will be part of a tuning slide. Ideally the
design for this dongle should be able to accommodate all flavors of
trumpet, cornet and flugel.
So two problems need solving. The "foot" I envision is some little turned,
froofy looking bit of something (although the original design spec calls
for a pencil here.) The "dongle" needs to be split into two pieces, and it
should be possible to attach it securely without applying so much pressure
that you crimp or otherwise mangle the tubing. The "foot" will be adjusted
to sit on the floor through some combination of moving the dongle and
extending or retracting the foot itself, until a suitable combination of
factors is reached that won't interfere with any moving parts (spit valves,
slides, etc.)
Hrm. I stared to draw a picture, but I can see that would be a black hole
for time. I spent an hour doing a fancy looking gradientified pseudo 3D
trumpet bell, and then realized I had the scale wrong. Nah. I'll take a
pass on that. Use your imaginations.
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Sylvan, back from hiatus, wrote:>Somebody on the trumpet group came up with a
nifty idea for a flugel prop.
>I'm fixin' to make him one, but I haven't quite solved all the engineering
>problems yet.
>
>Basically this thing is a wooden foot attached to some kind of padded dongle
>to affix it to a suitable piece of tubing on the horn. On some
>instruments, this tubing will be part of the bell flare, and will have a
>gradual taper. On others, it will be part of a tuning slide. Ideally the
>design for this dongle should be able to accommodate all flavors of
>trumpet, cornet and flugel.
>
>So two problems need solving. The "foot" I envision is some little turned,
>froofy looking bit of something (although the original design spec calls
>for a pencil here.) The "dongle" needs to be split into two pieces, and it
>should be possible to attach it securely without applying so much pressure
>that you crimp or otherwise mangle the tubing. The "foot" will be adjusted
>to sit on the floor through some combination of moving the dongle and
>extending or retracting the foot itself, until a suitable combination of
>factors is reached that won't interfere with any moving parts (spit valves,
>slides, etc.)
>
>Hrm. I stared to draw a picture, but I can see that would be a black hole
>for time. I spent an hour doing a fancy looking gradientified pseudo 3D
>trumpet bell, and then realized I had the scale wrong. Nah. I'll take a
>pass on that. Use your imaginations.
>
>--
The language is fairly specific, and except for the words "dongle" and
"gradientified", I think I understand. Is all this in order to lay the
instument aside in an easily retrieved position? (And all the spit drains
quickly?) Dongle could be thin, felt-lined hinged wooden clamp with a lot of
spring. A _lot_ of spring. Maybe use small diameter coarse-threaded wing nuts
to minimize applied torque, too. Tom
Work at your leisure!
jo4hn wrote:
>> for time. I spent an hour doing a fancy looking gradientified pseudo 3D
>> trumpet bell, and then realized I had the scale wrong. Nah. I'll take a
>> pass on that. Use your imaginations.
>>
> Jeeez. I clicked on the "English translation" button and got an error
> message to the effect that "I don't speak musician, bunky".
You don't speak computer dork or artist either, I guess. A "gradient" is a
smooth transition from one color into another. You can use shades of gold
phasing from dark to light in certain ways to produce a fake 3D brass
effect.
(To see an example of this, look at the "soundfont" icon (ie the only
picture) on this page:
http://qsfxload.sourceforge.net/ )
As for the rest... Hrm...
Here is a picture of a flugelhorn standing on its bell:
http://tinyurl.com/5m8hu
The bell is the /____\ thing it's standing on, see... Follow that up until
you see a U shaped piece of tubing to the left. The thing I'm trying to
cook up needs to attach to that somehow (made out of walnut with brass
hardware, preferably) without interfering with the spit valve, and it
should provide an extra support foot that reaches down to the floor, so the
whole thing looks like
| / \
| / \
| / \
/___\ /__________________________\
[[[[[[[[[[[[[floor]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
Ideally this thing should also work on trumpets and cornets. Different
tubing diameters, smaller bells, and this U shaped thing on those other
instruments is a part that moves in order to tune the instrument, so that
action can't be interfered with.
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Australopithecus scobis wrote:
> Just put a stick on a board. Put the bell over the stick. Works for the
> displays of instruments at my favorite music stores. Too wobbly? Make a
> fitted cone instead of a straight stick.
Nevermind everybody, nevermind.
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Based on the description(??) supplied, the _purpose_ of this gizmo escapes me.
Two possibilites:
1) something to hold the instrument in a 'convenient to pick up' place and
position.
2) something to hold the instrument in a 'ready to be played' position (a la
the hands-free neck-brace for a harmonica).
Obviously, the two problems require utterly _different_ solutions. <grin>
The 'classical' solution for #1 is something analogous to a mute, but with
a wide-footprint tripod base on it, for lateral support. You just place
the instrument (bell down) over the 'spike', and let it sit.
If you don't like that, look at how the gizmo for holding band-music (known
formally as a lyre) would attach to the instrument. Arrange your gizmo to
attach in the same way, at the same point. this automatically ensures that
it is out of the way of any/all 'working components'. Heck, I'd _use_
an actual lyre as the basis for the construct, if going that route -- the
dimensions, fit, location, etc. *are* standardized -- lotsa different people
make that 'accessory' for use with any given instrument.
In article <[email protected]>,
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
>Somebody on the trumpet group came up with a nifty idea for a flugel prop.
>I'm fixin' to make him one, but I haven't quite solved all the engineering
>problems yet.
>
>Basically this thing is a wooden foot attached to some kind of padded dongle
>to affix it to a suitable piece of tubing on the horn. On some
>instruments, this tubing will be part of the bell flare, and will have a
>gradual taper. On others, it will be part of a tuning slide. Ideally the
>design for this dongle should be able to accommodate all flavors of
>trumpet, cornet and flugel.
>
>So two problems need solving. The "foot" I envision is some little turned,
>froofy looking bit of something (although the original design spec calls
>for a pencil here.) The "dongle" needs to be split into two pieces, and it
>should be possible to attach it securely without applying so much pressure
>that you crimp or otherwise mangle the tubing. The "foot" will be adjusted
>to sit on the floor through some combination of moving the dongle and
>extending or retracting the foot itself, until a suitable combination of
>factors is reached that won't interfere with any moving parts (spit valves,
>slides, etc.)
>
>Hrm. I stared to draw a picture, but I can see that would be a black hole
>for time. I spent an hour doing a fancy looking gradientified pseudo 3D
>trumpet bell, and then realized I had the scale wrong. Nah. I'll take a
>pass on that. Use your imaginations.
>
Ditto. Wow. That's a rough message right there.
jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<aTDdd.2650$%[email protected]>...
> Jeeez. I clicked on the "English translation" button and got an error
> message to the effect that "I don't speak musician, bunky".
> mahalo,
> jo4hn
> ;-)
Silvan wrote:
> Somebody on the trumpet group came up with a nifty idea for a flugel prop.
> I'm fixin' to make him one, but I haven't quite solved all the engineering
> problems yet.
>
> Basically this thing is a wooden foot attached to some kind of padded dongle
> to affix it to a suitable piece of tubing on the horn. On some
> instruments, this tubing will be part of the bell flare, and will have a
> gradual taper. On others, it will be part of a tuning slide. Ideally the
> design for this dongle should be able to accommodate all flavors of
> trumpet, cornet and flugel.
>
> So two problems need solving. The "foot" I envision is some little turned,
> froofy looking bit of something (although the original design spec calls
> for a pencil here.) The "dongle" needs to be split into two pieces, and it
> should be possible to attach it securely without applying so much pressure
> that you crimp or otherwise mangle the tubing. The "foot" will be adjusted
> to sit on the floor through some combination of moving the dongle and
> extending or retracting the foot itself, until a suitable combination of
> factors is reached that won't interfere with any moving parts (spit valves,
> slides, etc.)
>
> Hrm. I stared to draw a picture, but I can see that would be a black hole
> for time. I spent an hour doing a fancy looking gradientified pseudo 3D
> trumpet bell, and then realized I had the scale wrong. Nah. I'll take a
> pass on that. Use your imaginations.
>
Jeeez. I clicked on the "English translation" button and got an error
message to the effect that "I don't speak musician, bunky".
mahalo,
jo4hn
;-)
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:27:36 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>As for the rest... Hrm...
>
>Here is a picture of a flugelhorn standing on its bell:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/5m8hu
-snip-
>Ideally this thing should also work on trumpets and cornets. Different
>tubing diameters, smaller bells, and this U shaped thing on those other
>instruments is a part that moves in order to tune the instrument, so that
>action can't be interfered with.
So what you need to design is a one-size-fits-all horny bell bottom?
Got it.
Howzbout turning a thick bowl with a flat bottom, lining it with
felt, and attaching a curved arm for support? Overall shape is
that of the number six. Add an articulated, telescoping, felt-
covered, j-shaped rest for support of the tube portion. It would
swing out to engage any distance of tube, then telescope up to mate.
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:27:36 -0400, Silvan wrote:
> The bell is the /____\ thing it's standing on, see... Follow that up until
> you see a U shaped piece of tubing to the left. The thing I'm trying to
> cook up needs to attach to that somehow (made out of walnut with brass
> hardware, preferably) without interfering with the spit valve, and it
> should provide an extra support foot that reaches down to the floor, so the
> whole thing looks like
Just put a stick on a board. Put the bell over the stick. Works for the
displays of instruments at my favorite music stores. Too wobbly? Make a
fitted cone instead of a straight stick.
--
"Keep your ass behind you"
If only there was mention of duct tape or a coconut, between the flugels,
padded dongles, spit valves and fancy looking gradientified pseudo 3D
trumpet bells, ......I'll see if I can cross reference transcripts from Red
Greens Beaver Lodge, and some old Gilligan and Professor conversations......
We're here to help Silvan....anything for a fellow woodworker!!!!
Cheers!
aw