I have a Delta hybrid TS and am trying to get by with a shop-vac for dust
collection. Not ideal, I know, but space is tight and I am not sawing huge
volumes of wood. When I run the vacuum, I don't feel much air drawn though
the throatplate as there are many openings in the saw. The largest is at
the top of the hinged cover on the cabinet near the motor. Would partially
covering that opening cause problems such as overheating the motor?
Even though I don't feel much air coming through the throatplate, dust
collection is surprisingly good as is. I have some dado cuts coming up and
suspect controlling airflow will reduce the mess.
-Steve
You are kidding yourself to use a shop vac for dust collection under
the deck of a table saw. There is nothing you can do that will make up
for the vacuum's lack of air volume capacity for dust collection. A
table saw needs higher volume movement for dust collection.
Applications like router table fences and drill presses are low volume
applications and work well with a vacuum.
Some people with hybrid saws ust block the dust collection port and
open the cabinet frequently to vacuum out the dust collected in the
cabinet between uses.
Bob
I use a shop-vac for dust collection on my contractor TS. It has the
4" plate below the saw. I ran an aluminum dryer hose to a 40 gallon
trash can fitted with a dryer elbow under the lid. I put a 2" hole in
the lid behind the elbow to make the trash can a 'cyclone'. (replies
insert comments about hazards of dust and how my health is worth buying
a real system here).
Anyway, this works surprisingly well. Most of the dust and all of the
chips stay in the trash can. I used expanding foam to seal off between
the frame and the cast iron top. I also made a cover for the back of
the saw based on this:
http://www.newwoodworker.com/jetdust.html
As long as you have airflow, and you will if you are collecting dust,
your motor will have airflow. Close it as much as you can, you will
never get it totally sealed.
Steve W wrote:
> I have a Delta hybrid TS and am trying to get by with a shop-vac for dust
> collection. Not ideal, I know, but space is tight and I am not sawing huge
> volumes of wood. When I run the vacuum, I don't feel much air drawn though
> the throatplate as there are many openings in the saw. The largest is at
> the top of the hinged cover on the cabinet near the motor. Would partially
> covering that opening cause problems such as overheating the motor?
>
> Even though I don't feel much air coming through the throatplate, dust
> collection is surprisingly good as is. I have some dado cuts coming up and
> suspect controlling airflow will reduce the mess.
>
> -Steve
Theoretically you can. A TS simply does not produce that much sawdust,
so a (decent sized) shop vac is more than adequate--*provided that* the
TS dust space is well designed. Shop vacs cannot move much volume, so
you have to isolate as small a space around the blade as possible to go
directly to the vac.
Look at Ryobi's BT3K series to see great design for that. Granted,
that's a small TS--not a cabinet saw, or even a hybrid--but the amount
of sawdust it produces is the same as any cabinet saw (unless you're
shoving an inch deep dado blade through as fast as you can, which a
cabinet saw could probably handle but might stall a portable). So
theoretically you can.
The difficulty is the guts under the table and how they're configured.
Most cabinet saws have large trunnions and motors etc., so it's hard to
isolate the space around the blade to be small enough for a shopvac to
handle, without getting really innovative with flexible
materials.There's no harm in trying though, and I see all sorts of
"tips" in WW magazines about how to close up that space for better dust
collection.
Thermal stress on a inside a TS cabinet should not be a factor, I would
think, with a TEFC motor, but the electricians on board can tell you
more about that.
Regards,
H
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> Steve W wrote:
>> I have a Delta hybrid TS and am trying to get by with a shop-vac for dust
>> collection. Not ideal, I know, but space is tight and I am not sawing
>> huge
>> volumes of wood. When I run the vacuum, I don't feel much air drawn
>> though
>> the throatplate as there are many openings in the saw. The largest is at
>> the top of the hinged cover on the cabinet near the motor. Would
>> partially
>> covering that opening cause problems such as overheating the motor?
>>
>> Even though I don't feel much air coming through the throatplate, dust
>> collection is surprisingly good as is. I have some dado cuts coming up
>> and
>> suspect controlling airflow will reduce the mess.
>>
>> -Steve
>
> Theoretically you can. A TS simply does not produce that much sawdust,
> so a (decent sized) shop vac is more than adequate--*provided that* the
> TS dust space is well designed. Shop vacs cannot move much volume, so
> you have to isolate as small a space around the blade as possible to go
> directly to the vac.
>
> Look at Ryobi's BT3K series to see great design for that. Granted,
> that's a small TS--not a cabinet saw, or even a hybrid--but the amount
> of sawdust it produces is the same as any cabinet saw (unless you're
> shoving an inch deep dado blade through as fast as you can, which a
> cabinet saw could probably handle but might stall a portable). So
> theoretically you can.
>
> The difficulty is the guts under the table and how they're configured.
> Most cabinet saws have large trunnions and motors etc., so it's hard to
> isolate the space around the blade to be small enough for a shopvac to
> handle, without getting really innovative with flexible
> materials.There's no harm in trying though, and I see all sorts of
> "tips" in WW magazines about how to close up that space for better dust
> collection.
>
> Thermal stress on a inside a TS cabinet should not be a factor, I would
> think, with a TEFC motor, but the electricians on board can tell you
> more about that.
>
> Regards,
> H
>
Thanks. I will try covering the large one to start. It just seems to me
that the engineers probably made that big opening for a reason. Do you
think it is designed to allow enough flow for a dust collection system?
-Steve
"Steve W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "hylourgos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> Steve W wrote:
>>> I have a Delta hybrid TS and am trying to get by with a shop-vac for
>>> dust
>>> collection. Not ideal, I know, but space is tight and I am not sawing
>>> huge
>>> volumes of wood. When I run the vacuum, I don't feel much air drawn
>>> though
>>> the throatplate as there are many openings in the saw. The largest is
>>> at
>>> the top of the hinged cover on the cabinet near the motor. Would
>>> partially
>>> covering that opening cause problems such as overheating the motor?
>>>
>>> Even though I don't feel much air coming through the throatplate, dust
>>> collection is surprisingly good as is. I have some dado cuts coming up
>>> and
>>> suspect controlling airflow will reduce the mess.
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>
>> Theoretically you can. A TS simply does not produce that much sawdust,
>> so a (decent sized) shop vac is more than adequate--*provided that* the
>> TS dust space is well designed. Shop vacs cannot move much volume, so
>> you have to isolate as small a space around the blade as possible to go
>> directly to the vac.
>>
>> Look at Ryobi's BT3K series to see great design for that. Granted,
>> that's a small TS--not a cabinet saw, or even a hybrid--but the amount
>> of sawdust it produces is the same as any cabinet saw (unless you're
>> shoving an inch deep dado blade through as fast as you can, which a
>> cabinet saw could probably handle but might stall a portable). So
>> theoretically you can.
>>
>> The difficulty is the guts under the table and how they're configured.
>> Most cabinet saws have large trunnions and motors etc., so it's hard to
>> isolate the space around the blade to be small enough for a shopvac to
>> handle, without getting really innovative with flexible
>> materials.There's no harm in trying though, and I see all sorts of
>> "tips" in WW magazines about how to close up that space for better dust
>> collection.
>>
>> Thermal stress on a inside a TS cabinet should not be a factor, I would
>> think, with a TEFC motor, but the electricians on board can tell you
>> more about that.
>>
>> Regards,
>> H
>>
>
> Thanks. I will try covering the large one to start. It just seems to me
> that the engineers probably made that big opening for a reason. Do you
> think it is designed to allow enough flow for a dust collection system?
>
> -Steve
>
Nevermind. I figured out why the hole is there when I set up a bevel cut -
motor clearance. I covered the space, and now dust collection and air flow
are pretty good.
-Steve
"RayV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Here is a visual of the 'cyclone' I use.
>
> http://www.woodworkingmatters.com/Reviews/woodcraft_trash_can_cyclone_lid.htm
>
Nice. I have been looking for one of those.
-Steve