On 1/4/2017 9:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> Yes, the throat plate would prevent an accidental tilt of the work
>> piece from happening in the middle of the cut should you not be 100%
>> concentrating on what you are doing. The guy in the video was either
>> being too lazy to make one or too cheap to buy one.
>
> My vote is "lazy". Saws come with one.
>
Sure, but the one that came with my saw would not allow me to use a dado
that way. Still probably lazy. I made plates for maybe a buck a piece
for material.
On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
> youtube for options.
>
> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
>
> Is this how you would do it?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>
I would have no problem doing it that way.
I don't find it a problem. I would have my throat plate on so nothing
tipped in when I get close to the end. But it's not necessary either.
--
Jeff
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:34:48 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 1/4/2017 8:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
> > youtube for options.
> >
> > Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
> >
> > Is this how you would do it?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
> >
>
>
> No, I would not do it this way at all. Cutting slots locks you into
> those spacing. While that may never change my method is changeable.
>
> I used individual blocks of wood held in place by a single screw on the
> back side of the rail. This has bee working fine for over 8 years. And
> should I decide to change the format these hangers/blocks of wood can be
> easily moved.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/32062259246/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Note this is only one side of my mobile clamp cart, both sides tilt back
> at the top to prevent clamps from slipping out on their own.
My question was related to the cutting operation, sans insert, not the
design of the rack.
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:24:19 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> On 01/04/2017 8:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
> > youtube for options.
> >
> > Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
> >
> > Is this how you would do it?
>
> Roughly, sure, what's the problem in your mind?
The lack of an insert.
>
> I'd've done 'em all in one pass have clamped the blanks together first
> and used a reference block in the fence so that the step would be
> registered automagically from one to the next.
>
> It's basically just like cutting fingers for a box joint excepting a big
> one...
On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 16:39:10 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 1/4/2017 9:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Yes, the throat plate would prevent an accidental tilt of the work
>>> piece from happening in the middle of the cut should you not be 100%
>>> concentrating on what you are doing. The guy in the video was either
>>> being too lazy to make one or too cheap to buy one.
>>
>> My vote is "lazy". Saws come with one.
>>
>
>Sure, but the one that came with my saw would not allow me to use a dado
>that way. Still probably lazy. I made plates for maybe a buck a piece
>for material.
Really? Mine will allow a narrow dado like the one in the video.
On 1/4/2017 7:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 6:57:44 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
>>> youtube for options.
>>>
>>> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
>>>
>>> Is this how you would do it?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>>>
>> I would have no problem doing it that way.
>> I don't find it a problem. I would have my throat plate on so nothing
>> tipped in when I get close to the end. But it's not necessary either.
>>
>
> The missing throat plate was the reason for the question, so in reality,
> you *would* have a problem doing it that way. ;-)
>
Yes, the throat plate would prevent an accidental tilt of the work
piece from happening in the middle of the cut should you not be 100%
concentrating on what you are doing. The guy in the video was either
being too lazy to make one or too cheap to buy one.
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 8:59:31 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
> youtube for options.
>
> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
>
> Is this how you would do it?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
NO !! I am never, never, going to run without a throat plate, zero clearance if I can get it. As for the rest of it, looks good.
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 4:39:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/4/2017 9:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Yes, the throat plate would prevent an accidental tilt of the work
> >> piece from happening in the middle of the cut should you not be 100%
> >> concentrating on what you are doing. The guy in the video was either
> >> being too lazy to make one or too cheap to buy one.
> >
> > My vote is "lazy". Saws come with one.
> >
>
> Sure, but the one that came with my saw would not allow me to use a dado
> that way. Still probably lazy. I made plates for maybe a buck a piece
> for material.
When I made new drawers off my kitchen, the bottoms of the old ones were the right
thickness to use as plates. I cut a bunch and have a stack of blanks and zero clearances
for different blades and dado widths.
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:10:18 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> On 01/04/2017 9:29 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:24:19 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> ..
>
> >>> Is this how you would do it?
> >>
> >> Roughly, sure, what's the problem in your mind?
> >
> > The lack of an insert.
> ...
>
> Didn't even notice...probably not, but for pieces that large don't see
> any _real_ issue.
>
> What bothered me most in the section I watched (only just that very few
> seconds about the cut) was the position of fingers on a couple of the
> passes...
Yep, there was that too.
>
> ...[time out for refresher]...
>
> OK, went back a looked again...I saw the very first point where there is
> an insert then never paid any attention to it when did the cutting being
> focused on where the blade was, etc., ...
>
> No, I'd make an insert even though with his flanges he'd have to have a
> cutout for them to get the height...
I noticed that. I've never spun a dado set at that height so I was mostly
wondering if it was common practice to do it without an insert. It just
looks extremely scary, but as you intimated, the piece is wide enough to
span the opening.
As they say, "What could possibly go wrong?" ;-)
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 04:35:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 8:57:42 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 16:39:10 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On 1/4/2017 9:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, the throat plate would prevent an accidental tilt of the work
>> >>> piece from happening in the middle of the cut should you not be 100%
>> >>> concentrating on what you are doing. The guy in the video was either
>> >>> being too lazy to make one or too cheap to buy one.
>> >>
>> >> My vote is "lazy". Saws come with one.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Sure, but the one that came with my saw would not allow me to use a dado
>> >that way. Still probably lazy. I made plates for maybe a buck a piece
>> >for material.
>>
>> Really? Mine will allow a narrow dado like the one in the video.
>Even if the flange is up as high as that one appears to be?
It's hard to say (no measurements available) but I think so. It's
pretty (uselessly) wide.
>
>I think most of us are assuming that the flange is higher than where the bottom of a
>"standard" plate would be.
Did you see evidence of this? If so, I'd add the fourth strike.
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:41:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
> > youtube for options.
> >
> > Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
> >
> > Is this how you would do it?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
> >
>
> I might. If properly set up it can be done safely. The wood easuly
> spans the opening and if clamped or secured together it would be like
> pushing a big block.
>
> Now so sure of his hand placement though.
Yeah, his hand placement was "Part 2" of my concern.
On 1/4/2017 10:35 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 1/4/17 8:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:55:46 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:41:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me
>>>>> looking at youtube for options.
>>>>>
>>>>> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for
>>>>> the clamps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this how you would do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I might. If properly set up it can be done safely. The wood
>>>> easuly spans the opening and if clamped or secured together it
>>>> would be like pushing a big block.
>>>>
>>>> Now so sure of his hand placement though.
>>>
>>> Yeah, his hand placement was "Part 2" of my concern.
>>
>> I certainly wouldn't do either. It's not safe. It would be too
>> easy to try to cut with one edge over the opening. I'd never get my
>> hands that near the blade and I'd never stand directly behind the
>> blade. I say, three strikes.
>>
>
> With what he's cutting, the only way one edge would be over the opening
> is if at least 80% of the piece in fully on the table meaning it is very
> well supported. Also, in that same instance his hands would be well
> enough away from the blades.
>
>
You are mostly correct. But the blade is high, so the cutting action is
mostly down, not back toward the miter gauge, so it could be pulled
down. But highly unlikely given the fact that as you said, most of rest
is well supported. The only time I don't use a throat plate is with a
sled , either panel or crosscut.
--
Jeff
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in news:ca98dd6a-ff3f-43bf-843b-
[email protected]:
> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
> youtube for options.
>
> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
>
> Is this how you would do it?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>
Nope, not how I'd do it. Instead of cutting slots into a wide board, I'd edge-glue blocks onto a
narrow board.
[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:55:46 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:41:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> > The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking
>>> > at youtube for options.
>>> >
>>> > Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the
>>> > clamps.
>>> >
>>> > Is this how you would do it?
>>> >
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>>> >
>>>
>>> I might. If properly set up it can be done safely. The wood easuly
>>> spans the opening and if clamped or secured together it would be
>>> like pushing a big block.
>>>
>>> Now so sure of his hand placement though.
>>
>>Yeah, his hand placement was "Part 2" of my concern.
>
> I certainly wouldn't do either. It's not safe. It would be too easy
> to try to cut with one edge over the opening. I'd never get my hands
> that near the blade and I'd never stand directly behind the blade. I
> say, three strikes.
I'm with krw on this. Both practices are taking unnecessary
risks, considering how little effort it takes to make an
insert for the dado set, and to position your hands and body
properly for safety.
John
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 6:57:44 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
> On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
> > youtube for options.
> >
> > Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
> >
> > Is this how you would do it?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
> >
> I would have no problem doing it that way.
> I don't find it a problem. I would have my throat plate on so nothing
> tipped in when I get close to the end. But it's not necessary either.
>
The missing throat plate was the reason for the question, so in reality,
you *would* have a problem doing it that way. ;-)
On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 8:57:42 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 16:39:10 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On 1/4/2017 9:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Yes, the throat plate would prevent an accidental tilt of the work
> >>> piece from happening in the middle of the cut should you not be 100%
> >>> concentrating on what you are doing. The guy in the video was either
> >>> being too lazy to make one or too cheap to buy one.
> >>
> >> My vote is "lazy". Saws come with one.
> >>
> >
> >Sure, but the one that came with my saw would not allow me to use a dado
> >that way. Still probably lazy. I made plates for maybe a buck a piece
> >for material.
>
> Really? Mine will allow a narrow dado like the one in the video.
Even if the flange is up as high as that one appears to be?
I think most of us are assuming that the flange is higher than where the bottom of a
"standard" plate would be.
On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
> youtube for options.
>
> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
>
> Is this how you would do it?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>
I might. If properly set up it can be done safely. The wood easuly
spans the opening and if clamped or secured together it would be like
pushing a big block.
Now so sure of his hand placement though.
On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 19:21:11 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 1/4/2017 7:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 6:57:44 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
>>>> youtube for options.
>>>>
>>>> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
>>>>
>>>> Is this how you would do it?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>>>>
>>> I would have no problem doing it that way.
>>> I don't find it a problem. I would have my throat plate on so nothing
>>> tipped in when I get close to the end. But it's not necessary either.
>>>
>>
>> The missing throat plate was the reason for the question, so in reality,
>> you *would* have a problem doing it that way. ;-)
>>
>
>
>Yes, the throat plate would prevent an accidental tilt of the work
>piece from happening in the middle of the cut should you not be 100%
>concentrating on what you are doing. The guy in the video was either
>being too lazy to make one or too cheap to buy one.
My vote is "lazy". Saws come with one.
On 1/4/2017 8:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 6:57:44 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
>>> youtube for options.
>>>
>>> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
>>>
>>> Is this how you would do it?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>>>
>> I would have no problem doing it that way.
>> I don't find it a problem. I would have my throat plate on so nothing
>> tipped in when I get close to the end. But it's not necessary either.
>>
>
> The missing throat plate was the reason for the question, so in reality,
> you *would* have a problem doing it that way. ;-)
>
It's been many years since I made my rack, but know I did not use a dado
blade. Using a bit a little wider than the clamp bar thickness, I
drilled a row of holes that became the ends of the slots. The rest of
the slot was formed with two regular saw blade cuts from the edge of the
board to the hole edges so I ended up with U-shaped slots. I don't
remember WHY I chose this method, but it may well have been the
dado-throat plate interference issue.
On 01/04/2017 8:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
> youtube for options.
>
> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
>
> Is this how you would do it?
Roughly, sure, what's the problem in your mind?
I'd've done 'em all in one pass have clamped the blanks together first
and used a reference block in the fence so that the step would be
registered automagically from one to the next.
It's basically just like cutting fingers for a box joint excepting a big
one...
On 01/04/2017 9:29 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:24:19 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
..
>>> Is this how you would do it?
>>
>> Roughly, sure, what's the problem in your mind?
>
> The lack of an insert.
...
Didn't even notice...probably not, but for pieces that large don't see
any _real_ issue.
What bothered me most in the section I watched (only just that very few
seconds about the cut) was the position of fingers on a couple of the
passes...
...[time out for refresher]...
OK, went back a looked again...I saw the very first point where there is
an insert then never paid any attention to it when did the cutting being
focused on where the blade was, etc., ...
No, I'd make an insert even though with his flanges he'd have to have a
cutout for them to get the height...
On 1/4/17 8:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:55:46 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:41:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
>> wrote:
>>> On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me
>>>> looking at youtube for options.
>>>>
>>>> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for
>>>> the clamps.
>>>>
>>>> Is this how you would do it?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>>>>
>>>
>>> I might. If properly set up it can be done safely. The wood
>>> easuly spans the opening and if clamped or secured together it
>>> would be like pushing a big block.
>>>
>>> Now so sure of his hand placement though.
>>
>> Yeah, his hand placement was "Part 2" of my concern.
>
> I certainly wouldn't do either. It's not safe. It would be too
> easy to try to cut with one edge over the opening. I'd never get my
> hands that near the blade and I'd never stand directly behind the
> blade. I say, three strikes.
>
With what he's cutting, the only way one edge would be over the opening
is if at least 80% of the piece in fully on the table meaning it is very
well supported. Also, in that same instance his hands would be well
enough away from the blades.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:55:46 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:41:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> > The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
>> > youtube for options.
>> >
>> > Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
>> >
>> > Is this how you would do it?
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>> >
>>
>> I might. If properly set up it can be done safely. The wood easuly
>> spans the opening and if clamped or secured together it would be like
>> pushing a big block.
>>
>> Now so sure of his hand placement though.
>
>Yeah, his hand placement was "Part 2" of my concern.
I certainly wouldn't do either. It's not safe. It would be too easy
to try to cut with one edge over the opening. I'd never get my hands
that near the blade and I'd never stand directly behind the blade. I
say, three strikes.
On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 21:35:39 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 1/4/17 8:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:55:46 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:41:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 1/4/2017 9:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me
>>>>> looking at youtube for options.
>>>>>
>>>>> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for
>>>>> the clamps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this how you would do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I might. If properly set up it can be done safely. The wood
>>>> easuly spans the opening and if clamped or secured together it
>>>> would be like pushing a big block.
>>>>
>>>> Now so sure of his hand placement though.
>>>
>>> Yeah, his hand placement was "Part 2" of my concern.
>>
>> I certainly wouldn't do either. It's not safe. It would be too
>> easy to try to cut with one edge over the opening. I'd never get my
>> hands that near the blade and I'd never stand directly behind the
>> blade. I say, three strikes.
>>
>
>With what he's cutting, the only way one edge would be over the opening
>is if at least 80% of the piece in fully on the table meaning it is very
>well supported. Also, in that same instance his hands would be well
>enough away from the blades.
I'm not buing that one. His hand was only inches from the blade,
without something going wrong. If the end of the board goes down the
throat, it'll kick the board and who knows where his hands will end
up. His hands were only a couple of inches from the blade to begin
with. No thanks!
On 1/4/2017 8:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> The recent thread related to building a Clamp Rack got me looking at
> youtube for options.
>
> Start this video at 3:20 and watch how he cuts the slots for the clamps.
>
> Is this how you would do it?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en_eLKaMHQU
>
No, I would not do it this way at all. Cutting slots locks you into
those spacing. While that may never change my method is changeable.
I used individual blocks of wood held in place by a single screw on the
back side of the rail. This has bee working fine for over 8 years. And
should I decide to change the format these hangers/blocks of wood can be
easily moved.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/32062259246/in/dateposted-public/
Note this is only one side of my mobile clamp cart, both sides tilt back
at the top to prevent clamps from slipping out on their own.