gdguarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 1:52:02 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> Brewster <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You are right, this may work for a while, but innovation in these styles
>>> of wood working accessories is rare.
>>>
>>> -BR
>>
>> Innovative, or obsessive?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtWd0N8QbQ
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT1qNBaJJhM
>
> I've never done a panel glue-up. And I've seen various solutions to the
> problem he mentions. But my first reaction to his "invention" is this:
> assuming for a second that the bars of his clamps do a good job as
> "cauls", couldn't he simply have alternated the clamps up and down,
> having the bars from BOTH directions contact the panel? The only
> difference would be that the upper and lower "cauls" would be offset
> horizontally by the thickness of a clamp face.
>
Yes he could have inverted and placed clamps on both sides. His mistake
and the problem he is trying to solve is overcome by simple tightening top
and bottom bar clamps evenly. Both top and bottom clamps alternatively
vs. one side and then the other.
On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 10:34:27 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 1/8/2016 10:18 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 1/8/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> Hey Electric Comet!!!!
>>>
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/ottclampingcauls2016.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpck.AYaepw..AsP_Xw.b..l.BtDZ.n...Uv0xEg&_bta_c=kplbsgj37ojllr404f9idfh1wzemo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On sale not for delivery in the next 60-90 days-ish.
>>
>> Typical peckerwood marketing of a solution looking for a problem.
>>
>
>
>I found it comical that they are not going to stock these things, rather
>they will custom build sets for those that think that they need them.
That's their "One Time Tool" marketing shtick. I have a number of
them. Some are very useful. They're all expensive, though.
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 1/10/2016 12:51 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>
>> Innovative, or obsessive?
>
>Manifestation of a lack of experience that makes going around the block
>to get next door sound like a good plan?
Or a manifestation of clever solutions to problems that don't really
exist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S074ke-EJ6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02vRdjnGK4I
On 1/9/2016 10:34 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/8/2016 10:18 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 1/8/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> Hey Electric Comet!!!!
>>>
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/ottclampingcauls2016.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpck.AYaepw..AsP_Xw.b..l.BtDZ.n...Uv0xEg&_bta_c=kplbsgj37ojllr404f9idfh1wzemo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On sale not for delivery in the next 60-90 days-ish.
>>
>> Typical peckerwood marketing of a solution looking for a problem.
>>
>
>
> I found it comical that they are not going to stock these things, rather
> they will custom build sets for those that think that they need them.
OTOH, it could be customer support to the Nth degree. Not so much with
this particular set of cauls, but this is not the first time they've
offered up single production run items. Some, but not all, were of
interest to me and perhaps the genesis of these items comes from a
number of customers asking "Hey, why don't you make this?"
Could be that Woodpecker figures, "Why not? Let's do a limited run,
advertise it in advance and perhaps expand the run beyond our initial
projection if warranted." Then, if demand goes nuts, they can
incorporate it into their regular product line - or not.
On 1/10/2016 12:00 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 1/10/2016 10:07 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>
>> And here is an interesting note. Different web sites offering a lot of
>> what WoodPeckers sells but the same phone number.
>>
>> This site offers free shipping with orders over $40.
>>
>> http://www.ustoolandfastener.com/holiday-gift-ideas/
>>
>> Phone 877-777-4717
>>
>>
>>
>> This site offers Free shipping on all orders.
>>
>> http://www.shopwoodpeckers.com/
>>
>> Same phone, 877-777-4717
>>
>>
>> Buyer beware on which site you identify to have seen when calling an order.
>
> http://www.shopfestool.com/
> Same phone, 877-777-4717
>
>
> Michael Kavanagh, the president of all 3:
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelkavanagh
>
All of which are distribution point for Woodpecker Products and are NOT
the manufacturer. . . just to be clear
http://www.woodpeck.com/aboutus.html
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 1/10/2016 10:07 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>
>And here is an interesting note. Different web sites offering a lot of
>what WoodPeckers sells but the same phone number.
>
>This site offers free shipping with orders over $40.
>
>http://www.ustoolandfastener.com/holiday-gift-ideas/
>
>Phone 877-777-4717
>
>
>
>This site offers Free shipping on all orders.
>
>http://www.shopwoodpeckers.com/
>
>Same phone, 877-777-4717
>
>
>Buyer beware on which site you identify to have seen when calling an order.
http://www.shopfestool.com/
Same phone, 877-777-4717
Michael Kavanagh, the president of all 3:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelkavanagh
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 16:02:09 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 1/10/2016 5:40 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:07:48 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/10/2016 9:51 AM, Brewster wrote:
>>>> On 1/9/16 11:01 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure it is a good business model. They seem to depend a lot on
>>>>> one time tools and the relative few that will buy anything over and
>>>>> over. I would prefer and did and do prefer customers that return
>>>>> because you offer a good value.
>>>>>
>>>>> they can't help but produce excellent quality as their equipment seems
>>>>> to be state of the art. Hopefully they sell a lot more than one time
>>>>> tools to validate the purchase of that equipment. One time tools are
>>>>> not an excuse for for high production equipment IMHO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridge City tools took this path many years ago when they just about
>>>>> went out of business. Today they still offer the exotic tools but have
>>>>> dropped many tools that every day wood workers would want. so that
>>>>> caliber of customer is pretty much gone.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a Woodpeckers router lift (PRL). The thing is a God send for what
>>>> I do. It's pricey, but not too bad compared with the competition.
>>>> I see Woodpeckers as having a nice CNC shop and a stockpile of aluminum.
>>>> They need to keep those machines running and will take any old design
>>>> and 'jewel' it up or make something simple, like their router corner
>>>> templates, stuff them into a padded case, and charge a fortune.
>>>>
>>>> You are right, this may work for a while, but innovation in these styles
>>>> of wood working accessories is rare.
>>>>
>>>> -BR
>>>
>>> Yes! They absolutely need to keep that machinery running.
>>>
>>> And no doubt they manufacture high quality tools. But I bet they are
>>> trying to develop a cult following for the one time tools. Some people
>>> want to collect every one of the "special" tools whether they use them
>>> or not. It is a shame that some of the one time tools are just that,
>>> one time tools and or that yu have to order a set much larger than you
>>> need, thinking the corner wound over router templates.
>>
>> The corner templates were sold individually, as well. I recently
>> ordered the ones I was missing in one of the last "second run tools".
>> ;-)
>>
>> As I said earlier, I have a number of the tools but the ones I use
>> constantly are the "Paolini Pocket Rules".
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/pprss.html
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I love their Story Stick Pro's I have the 48 and 24 inch models. And
>>> it would be nice if they would offer a coupler to enable you to fasten
>>> them end to end like the Festool tracks have. I have inquired on
>>> several occasions but those requests have had no response.
>>>
>>> That said, perhaps they have a business that keeps them busy other than
>>> what we see on the web site. Maybe they have commercial customers for
>>> their main source of income. Making these one time tools might be a way
>>> to help pay for those machines during idle times.
>>>
>>> And going a bit further they seem to have a close business relationship
>>> with Incra. Perhaps they do work for them too. I do know they offered
>>> the Story Stick Pro and t-squares through Woodcraft under another brand
>>> name and color.
>>>
>> Woodcraft carries Woodpeckers tools, as well. Well, at least the
>> local store does. Highland carries quite a few of them, as well.
>>
>
>I could have bought a truckload of Starrett's for the price of the Paolini.
With the stops? I haven't seen those anywhere.
On 1/10/2016 9:51 AM, Brewster wrote:
> On 1/9/16 11:01 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> I am not sure it is a good business model. They seem to depend a lot on
>> one time tools and the relative few that will buy anything over and
>> over. I would prefer and did and do prefer customers that return
>> because you offer a good value.
>>
>> they can't help but produce excellent quality as their equipment seems
>> to be state of the art. Hopefully they sell a lot more than one time
>> tools to validate the purchase of that equipment. One time tools are
>> not an excuse for for high production equipment IMHO.
>>
>> Bridge City tools took this path many years ago when they just about
>> went out of business. Today they still offer the exotic tools but have
>> dropped many tools that every day wood workers would want. so that
>> caliber of customer is pretty much gone.
>>
>
> I have a Woodpeckers router lift (PRL). The thing is a God send for what
> I do. It's pricey, but not too bad compared with the competition.
> I see Woodpeckers as having a nice CNC shop and a stockpile of aluminum.
> They need to keep those machines running and will take any old design
> and 'jewel' it up or make something simple, like their router corner
> templates, stuff them into a padded case, and charge a fortune.
>
> You are right, this may work for a while, but innovation in these styles
> of wood working accessories is rare.
>
> -BR
Yes! They absolutely need to keep that machinery running.
And no doubt they manufacture high quality tools. But I bet they are
trying to develop a cult following for the one time tools. Some people
want to collect every one of the "special" tools whether they use them
or not. It is a shame that some of the one time tools are just that,
one time tools and or that yu have to order a set much larger than you
need, thinking the corner wound over router templates.
I love their Story Stick Pro's I have the 48 and 24 inch models. And
it would be nice if they would offer a coupler to enable you to fasten
them end to end like the Festool tracks have. I have inquired on
several occasions but those requests have had no response.
That said, perhaps they have a business that keeps them busy other than
what we see on the web site. Maybe they have commercial customers for
their main source of income. Making these one time tools might be a way
to help pay for those machines during idle times.
And going a bit further they seem to have a close business relationship
with Incra. Perhaps they do work for them too. I do know they offered
the Story Stick Pro and t-squares through Woodcraft under another brand
name and color.
On 1/10/2016 5:40 PM, krw wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:07:48 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/10/2016 9:51 AM, Brewster wrote:
>>> On 1/9/16 11:01 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure it is a good business model. They seem to depend a lot on
>>>> one time tools and the relative few that will buy anything over and
>>>> over. I would prefer and did and do prefer customers that return
>>>> because you offer a good value.
>>>>
>>>> they can't help but produce excellent quality as their equipment seems
>>>> to be state of the art. Hopefully they sell a lot more than one time
>>>> tools to validate the purchase of that equipment. One time tools are
>>>> not an excuse for for high production equipment IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> Bridge City tools took this path many years ago when they just about
>>>> went out of business. Today they still offer the exotic tools but have
>>>> dropped many tools that every day wood workers would want. so that
>>>> caliber of customer is pretty much gone.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have a Woodpeckers router lift (PRL). The thing is a God send for what
>>> I do. It's pricey, but not too bad compared with the competition.
>>> I see Woodpeckers as having a nice CNC shop and a stockpile of aluminum.
>>> They need to keep those machines running and will take any old design
>>> and 'jewel' it up or make something simple, like their router corner
>>> templates, stuff them into a padded case, and charge a fortune.
>>>
>>> You are right, this may work for a while, but innovation in these styles
>>> of wood working accessories is rare.
>>>
>>> -BR
>>
>> Yes! They absolutely need to keep that machinery running.
>>
>> And no doubt they manufacture high quality tools. But I bet they are
>> trying to develop a cult following for the one time tools. Some people
>> want to collect every one of the "special" tools whether they use them
>> or not. It is a shame that some of the one time tools are just that,
>> one time tools and or that yu have to order a set much larger than you
>> need, thinking the corner wound over router templates.
>
> The corner templates were sold individually, as well. I recently
> ordered the ones I was missing in one of the last "second run tools".
> ;-)
>
> As I said earlier, I have a number of the tools but the ones I use
> constantly are the "Paolini Pocket Rules".
> http://www.woodpeck.com/pprss.html
>
>
>>
>> I love their Story Stick Pro's I have the 48 and 24 inch models. And
>> it would be nice if they would offer a coupler to enable you to fasten
>> them end to end like the Festool tracks have. I have inquired on
>> several occasions but those requests have had no response.
>>
>> That said, perhaps they have a business that keeps them busy other than
>> what we see on the web site. Maybe they have commercial customers for
>> their main source of income. Making these one time tools might be a way
>> to help pay for those machines during idle times.
>>
>> And going a bit further they seem to have a close business relationship
>> with Incra. Perhaps they do work for them too. I do know they offered
>> the Story Stick Pro and t-squares through Woodcraft under another brand
>> name and color.
>>
> Woodcraft carries Woodpeckers tools, as well. Well, at least the
> local store does. Highland carries quite a few of them, as well.
>
I could have bought a truckload of Starrett's for the price of the Paolini.
--
Jeff
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 1:52:02 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > Brewster <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >You are right, this may work for a while, but innovation in these styles
> > >of wood working accessories is rare.
> > >
> > >-BR
> >
> > Innovative, or obsessive?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtWd0N8QbQ
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT1qNBaJJhM
>
> I've never done a panel glue-up. And I've seen various solutions to the problem he mentions. But my first reaction to his "invention" is this: assuming for a second that the bars of his clamps do a good job as "cauls", couldn't he simply have alternated the clamps up and down, having the bars from BOTH directions contact the panel? The only difference would be that the upper and lower "cauls" would be offset horizontally by the thickness of a clamp face.
Just do it the way he showed at the beginning with two clamps under and
two clamps above and then use wedges wherever needed to apply pressure
and you should get the same result he does with his fancy modification.
On 1/10/2016 7:15 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 1:52:02 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>> Brewster <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are right, this may work for a while, but innovation in these styles
>>>> of wood working accessories is rare.
>>>>
>>>> -BR
>>>
>>> Innovative, or obsessive?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtWd0N8QbQ
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT1qNBaJJhM
>>
>> I've never done a panel glue-up. And I've seen various solutions to the problem he mentions. But my first reaction to his "invention" is this: assuming for a second that the bars of his clamps do a good job as "cauls", couldn't he simply have alternated the clamps up and down, having the bars from BOTH directions contact the panel? The only difference would be that the upper and lower "cauls" would be offset horizontally by the thickness of a clamp face.
>
> Just do it the way he showed at the beginning with two clamps under and
> two clamps above and then use wedges wherever needed to apply pressure
> and you should get the same result he does with his fancy modification.
>
You don't need wedges. Simply use clamps on top and bottom and then
alternatively and gradually tighten them up.
On 1/10/2016 10:07 AM, Leon wrote:
And here is an interesting note. Different web sites offering a lot of
what WoodPeckers sells but the same phone number.
This site offers free shipping with orders over $40.
http://www.ustoolandfastener.com/holiday-gift-ideas/
Phone 877-777-4717
This site offers Free shipping on all orders.
http://www.shopwoodpeckers.com/
Same phone, 877-777-4717
Buyer beware on which site you identify to have seen when calling an order.
On 1/10/2016 12:51 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Brewster <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> You are right, this may work for a while, but innovation in these styles
>> of wood working accessories is rare.
>>
>> -BR
>
> Innovative, or obsessive?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtWd0N8QbQ
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT1qNBaJJhM
>
>
Obsessive, essentially his clamps are mounted upside down, I think.
If he would learn to apply regular clamps he would be good to go.
On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 1:52:02 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Brewster <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >
> >You are right, this may work for a while, but innovation in these styles=
=20
> >of wood working accessories is rare.
> >
> >-BR
>=20
> Innovative, or obsessive?
>=20
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFLtWd0N8QbQ
>=20
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbT1qNBaJJhM
I've never done a panel glue-up. And I've seen various solutions to the pro=
blem he mentions. But my first reaction to his "invention" is this: assumin=
g for a second that the bars of his clamps do a good job as "cauls", couldn=
't he simply have alternated the clamps up and down, having the bars from B=
OTH directions contact the panel? The only difference would be that the upp=
er and lower "cauls" would be offset horizontally by the thickness of a cla=
mp face.=20
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:18:38 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 1/8/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Hey Electric Comet!!!!
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/ottclampingcauls2016.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpck.AYaepw..AsP_Xw.b..l.BtDZ.n...Uv0xEg&_bta_c=kplbsgj37ojllr404f9idfh1wzemo
>>
>>
>>
>> On sale not for delivery in the next 60-90 days-ish.
>
>Typical peckerwood marketing of a solution looking for a problem.
Double sided specials, why not four sided so any dummy can use them,
guaranteed! LOL, only one side can be used at a time.
Went back and checked the video, no centerline marking, what's up with
that?
On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:09:40 -0600, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 1/9/2016 10:34 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/8/2016 10:18 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 1/8/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> Hey Electric Comet!!!!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/ottclampingcauls2016.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpck.AYaepw..AsP_Xw.b..l.BtDZ.n...Uv0xEg&_bta_c=kplbsgj37ojllr404f9idfh1wzemo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On sale not for delivery in the next 60-90 days-ish.
>>>
>>> Typical peckerwood marketing of a solution looking for a problem.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I found it comical that they are not going to stock these things, rather
>> they will custom build sets for those that think that they need them.
>
>
>OTOH, it could be customer support to the Nth degree. Not so much with
>this particular set of cauls, but this is not the first time they've
>offered up single production run items. Some, but not all, were of
>interest to me and perhaps the genesis of these items comes from a
>number of customers asking "Hey, why don't you make this?"
>
>Could be that Woodpecker figures, "Why not? Let's do a limited run,
>advertise it in advance and perhaps expand the run beyond our initial
>projection if warranted." Then, if demand goes nuts, they can
>incorporate it into their regular product line - or not.
>
Looking at their shop and their sales gimmick, I figured they have a
great business manager. What a sweet con job mixed with the occasional
good idea's. While they often have an interesting twist to their
tools, they are way overpriced, and their profit margins have to be
high. The high profit margins help the next fully funded production
run.
You have to admire the business plan since it seems to have been
pulled off successfully, part of it based on customers anxious not to
"miss" the next tool coming out.
They have a small job shop, and the beauty of it is that they set up
probably all the machines for the various parts of the same tool, they
know how many they are going to produce up front + or - a bit, make
enough extra for warranty concerns, and let er rip.
As long as they keep the quality up they will have it nailed.
Brewster <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>You are right, this may work for a while, but innovation in these styles
>of wood working accessories is rare.
>
>-BR
Innovative, or obsessive?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtWd0N8QbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT1qNBaJJhM
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:07:48 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 1/10/2016 9:51 AM, Brewster wrote:
>> On 1/9/16 11:01 PM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure it is a good business model. They seem to depend a lot on
>>> one time tools and the relative few that will buy anything over and
>>> over. I would prefer and did and do prefer customers that return
>>> because you offer a good value.
>>>
>>> they can't help but produce excellent quality as their equipment seems
>>> to be state of the art. Hopefully they sell a lot more than one time
>>> tools to validate the purchase of that equipment. One time tools are
>>> not an excuse for for high production equipment IMHO.
>>>
>>> Bridge City tools took this path many years ago when they just about
>>> went out of business. Today they still offer the exotic tools but have
>>> dropped many tools that every day wood workers would want. so that
>>> caliber of customer is pretty much gone.
>>>
>>
>> I have a Woodpeckers router lift (PRL). The thing is a God send for what
>> I do. It's pricey, but not too bad compared with the competition.
>> I see Woodpeckers as having a nice CNC shop and a stockpile of aluminum.
>> They need to keep those machines running and will take any old design
>> and 'jewel' it up or make something simple, like their router corner
>> templates, stuff them into a padded case, and charge a fortune.
>>
>> You are right, this may work for a while, but innovation in these styles
>> of wood working accessories is rare.
>>
>> -BR
>
>Yes! They absolutely need to keep that machinery running.
>
>And no doubt they manufacture high quality tools. But I bet they are
>trying to develop a cult following for the one time tools. Some people
>want to collect every one of the "special" tools whether they use them
>or not. It is a shame that some of the one time tools are just that,
>one time tools and or that yu have to order a set much larger than you
>need, thinking the corner wound over router templates.
The corner templates were sold individually, as well. I recently
ordered the ones I was missing in one of the last "second run tools".
;-)
As I said earlier, I have a number of the tools but the ones I use
constantly are the "Paolini Pocket Rules".
http://www.woodpeck.com/pprss.html
>
>I love their Story Stick Pro's I have the 48 and 24 inch models. And
>it would be nice if they would offer a coupler to enable you to fasten
>them end to end like the Festool tracks have. I have inquired on
>several occasions but those requests have had no response.
>
>That said, perhaps they have a business that keeps them busy other than
>what we see on the web site. Maybe they have commercial customers for
>their main source of income. Making these one time tools might be a way
>to help pay for those machines during idle times.
>
>And going a bit further they seem to have a close business relationship
>with Incra. Perhaps they do work for them too. I do know they offered
>the Story Stick Pro and t-squares through Woodcraft under another brand
>name and color.
>
Woodcraft carries Woodpeckers tools, as well. Well, at least the
local store does. Highland carries quite a few of them, as well.
On 1/9/16 11:01 PM, Leon wrote:
>
> I am not sure it is a good business model. They seem to depend a lot on
> one time tools and the relative few that will buy anything over and
> over. I would prefer and did and do prefer customers that return
> because you offer a good value.
>
> they can't help but produce excellent quality as their equipment seems
> to be state of the art. Hopefully they sell a lot more than one time
> tools to validate the purchase of that equipment. One time tools are
> not an excuse for for high production equipment IMHO.
>
> Bridge City tools took this path many years ago when they just about
> went out of business. Today they still offer the exotic tools but have
> dropped many tools that every day wood workers would want. so that
> caliber of customer is pretty much gone.
>
I have a Woodpeckers router lift (PRL). The thing is a God send for what
I do. It's pricey, but not too bad compared with the competition.
I see Woodpeckers as having a nice CNC shop and a stockpile of aluminum.
They need to keep those machines running and will take any old design
and 'jewel' it up or make something simple, like their router corner
templates, stuff them into a padded case, and charge a fortune.
You are right, this may work for a while, but innovation in these styles
of wood working accessories is rare.
-BR
On 1/8/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
> Hey Electric Comet!!!!
>
> http://www.woodpeck.com/ottclampingcauls2016.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpck.AYaepw..AsP_Xw.b..l.BtDZ.n...Uv0xEg&_bta_c=kplbsgj37ojllr404f9idfh1wzemo
>
>
>
> On sale not for delivery in the next 60-90 days-ish.
Typical peckerwood marketing of a solution looking for a problem.
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On 1/9/2016 2:06 PM, OFWW wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:09:40 -0600, Unquestionably Confused
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 1/9/2016 10:34 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 1/8/2016 10:18 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> On 1/8/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> Hey Electric Comet!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/ottclampingcauls2016.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpck.AYaepw..AsP_Xw.b..l.BtDZ.n...Uv0xEg&_bta_c=kplbsgj37ojllr404f9idfh1wzemo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On sale not for delivery in the next 60-90 days-ish.
>>>>
>>>> Typical peckerwood marketing of a solution looking for a problem.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I found it comical that they are not going to stock these things, rather
>>> they will custom build sets for those that think that they need them.
>>
>>
>> OTOH, it could be customer support to the Nth degree. Not so much with
>> this particular set of cauls, but this is not the first time they've
>> offered up single production run items. Some, but not all, were of
>> interest to me and perhaps the genesis of these items comes from a
>> number of customers asking "Hey, why don't you make this?"
>>
>> Could be that Woodpecker figures, "Why not? Let's do a limited run,
>> advertise it in advance and perhaps expand the run beyond our initial
>> projection if warranted." Then, if demand goes nuts, they can
>> incorporate it into their regular product line - or not.
>>
>
> Looking at their shop and their sales gimmick, I figured they have a
> great business manager. What a sweet con job mixed with the occasional
> good idea's. While they often have an interesting twist to their
> tools, they are way overpriced, and their profit margins have to be
> high. The high profit margins help the next fully funded production
> run.
>
> You have to admire the business plan since it seems to have been
> pulled off successfully, part of it based on customers anxious not to
> "miss" the next tool coming out.
>
> They have a small job shop, and the beauty of it is that they set up
> probably all the machines for the various parts of the same tool, they
> know how many they are going to produce up front + or - a bit, make
> enough extra for warranty concerns, and let er rip.
>
> As long as they keep the quality up they will have it nailed.
>
I am not sure it is a good business model. They seem to depend a lot on
one time tools and the relative few that will buy anything over and
over. I would prefer and did and do prefer customers that return
because you offer a good value.
they can't help but produce excellent quality as their equipment seems
to be state of the art. Hopefully they sell a lot more than one time
tools to validate the purchase of that equipment. One time tools are
not an excuse for for high production equipment IMHO.
Bridge City tools took this path many years ago when they just about
went out of business. Today they still offer the exotic tools but have
dropped many tools that every day wood workers would want. so that
caliber of customer is pretty much gone.
On 1/8/2016 10:18 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/8/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Hey Electric Comet!!!!
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/ottclampingcauls2016.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpck.AYaepw..AsP_Xw.b..l.BtDZ.n...Uv0xEg&_bta_c=kplbsgj37ojllr404f9idfh1wzemo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On sale not for delivery in the next 60-90 days-ish.
>
> Typical peckerwood marketing of a solution looking for a problem.
>
I found it comical that they are not going to stock these things, rather
they will custom build sets for those that think that they need them.
On 1/10/2016 12:51 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Innovative, or obsessive?
Manifestation of a lack of experience that makes going around the block
to get next door sound like a good plan?
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 1/9/2016 11:09 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 10:34 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/8/2016 10:18 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 1/8/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> Hey Electric Comet!!!!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/ottclampingcauls2016.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpck.AYaepw..AsP_Xw.b..l.BtDZ.n...Uv0xEg&_bta_c=kplbsgj37ojllr404f9idfh1wzemo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On sale not for delivery in the next 60-90 days-ish.
>>>
>>> Typical peckerwood marketing of a solution looking for a problem.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I found it comical that they are not going to stock these things, rather
>> they will custom build sets for those that think that they need them.
>
>
> OTOH, it could be customer support to the Nth degree. Not so much with
> this particular set of cauls, but this is not the first time they've
> offered up single production run items. Some, but not all, were of
> interest to me and perhaps the genesis of these items comes from a
> number of customers asking "Hey, why don't you make this?"
>
> Could be that Woodpecker figures, "Why not? Let's do a limited run,
> advertise it in advance and perhaps expand the run beyond our initial
> projection if warranted." Then, if demand goes nuts, they can
> incorporate it into their regular product line - or not.
>
>
Yes! But most of their one of's are way over built IMHO. But for those
that like to collect such tools, much like those that collect Bridge
City tools, they end up with a very unique and precise set of tools.
IMHO the only one I would consider is the guides for the track saw
stacks. They seem to be better thought out than Festool's parallel
guides and appear to also be easier to adjust along the length of the track.
They have offered a few tools again, the long rules, and OddJob, IIRC.