Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
but no where near what you guys are able to get.
Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
--
Jeff
On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 2:50:55 AM UTC-5, OFWW wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:20:23 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On 1/7/2016 10:32 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
> >> Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
> >> The cfl's should be run base down.
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> On 1/7/2016 9:19 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> >>> On 1/7/2016 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>> On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> >>>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
> >>>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
> >>>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
> >>>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
> >>>>
> >>>> Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
> >>>> the extra $4 to try one?
> >>> At that price, I'll wait for the cfl's to go.
> >>> so no, and then again yes. There are some cfls that are just too dark,
> >>> so I might bite if I get pissed off enough. but you guys that said HD
> >>> had them for $2 a bulb in bulk, that's a good deal, that we here in
> >>> western NJ don't share.
> >>>
> >
> >Actually the LED's have the same problem as the cfl's the transformers
> >get heated up too. And being at the top they heat up more than with the
> >transformer at the bottom.
>
> As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
> 12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
> 12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
> it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
> brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
both Lowes (Utilitech) and Home Depot (Feit) of 6packs of 60w equivalent LED bulbs for under $13...
On Sat, 09 Jan 2016 11:03:14 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 20:29:54 -0800, OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:42:45 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 23:51:18 -0800, OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:20:23 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 1/7/2016 10:32 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
>>>>>> Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
>>>>>> The cfl's should be run base down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/7/2016 9:19 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/7/2016 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>>>>>>>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>>>>>>>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>>>>>>>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
>>>>>>>> the extra $4 to try one?
>>>>>>> At that price, I'll wait for the cfl's to go.
>>>>>>> so no, and then again yes. There are some cfls that are just too dark,
>>>>>>> so I might bite if I get pissed off enough. but you guys that said HD
>>>>>>> had them for $2 a bulb in bulk, that's a good deal, that we here in
>>>>>>> western NJ don't share.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually the LED's have the same problem as the cfl's the transformers
>>>>>get heated up too. And being at the top they heat up more than with the
>>>>>transformer at the bottom.
>>>>
>>>>As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
>>>>12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
>>>>12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
>>>>it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
>>>>brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
>>>
>>>There are *lots* of reasons to not do it that way. It's inefficient,
>>>expensive, and more work than is warranted. It takes enough copper to
>>>wire a house now, you're adding a ton more.
>>
>>Not necessarily, here's why. Although I can agree with you in
>>principle all wiring connections in J-boxes come loose over time and
>>as they do the resistance increases and so does the electric bill.
>>Especially with aluminum wiring.
>
>No, if the resistance of the wire increases the power bill will
>*decrease* (with the possible exception of "negative resistance" loads
>like CFLs).
Sorry, My bad, I was thinking along the lines of motor related
problems. Voltage decreases causes amperage to go up. Plus I was
thinking A/C Not DC.
That said, any bad resistance connection in a J-box, circuit breaker
or anywhere. If they show signs of heat then that is a load generated
that the power meter reads. In some cases a minute load, yet its a
load.
A poor connection before an incandescent will lower the light and the
wattage consumed by the lamp. (as you said)
I should rewrite the stuff below, but I am going to snip it instead.
If it was understood in light of what I just wrote it would be
correct.
<snip>
On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 4:49:15 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 2:50:55 AM UTC-5, OFWW wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:20:23 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On 1/7/2016 10:32 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
> > >> Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
> > >> The cfl's should be run base down.
> > >>
> > >> Martin
> > >>
> > >> On 1/7/2016 9:19 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> > >>> On 1/7/2016 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>>> On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> > >>>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
> > >>>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
> > >>>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
> > >>>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
> > >>>> the extra $4 to try one?
> > >>> At that price, I'll wait for the cfl's to go.
> > >>> so no, and then again yes. There are some cfls that are just too dark,
> > >>> so I might bite if I get pissed off enough. but you guys that said HD
> > >>> had them for $2 a bulb in bulk, that's a good deal, that we here in
> > >>> western NJ don't share.
> > >>>
> > >
> > >Actually the LED's have the same problem as the cfl's the transformers
> > >get heated up too. And being at the top they heat up more than with the
> > >transformer at the bottom.
> >
> > As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
> > 12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
> > 12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
> > it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
> > brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
>
> both Lowes (Utilitech) and Home Depot (Feit) of 6packs of 60w equivalent LED bulbs for under $13...
offer, not of...
Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
The cfl's should be run base down.
Martin
On 1/7/2016 9:19 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 1/7/2016 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>>
>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>>
>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>>
>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>>
>> Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
>> the extra $4 to try one?
> At that price, I'll wait for the cfl's to go.
> so no, and then again yes. There are some cfls that are just too dark,
> so I might bite if I get pissed off enough. but you guys that said HD
> had them for $2 a bulb in bulk, that's a good deal, that we here in
> western NJ don't share.
>
On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 20:29:54 -0800, OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:42:45 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 23:51:18 -0800, OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:20:23 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 1/7/2016 10:32 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
>>>>> Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
>>>>> The cfl's should be run base down.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/7/2016 9:19 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/7/2016 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>>>>>>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>>>>>>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>>>>>>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
>>>>>>> the extra $4 to try one?
>>>>>> At that price, I'll wait for the cfl's to go.
>>>>>> so no, and then again yes. There are some cfls that are just too dark,
>>>>>> so I might bite if I get pissed off enough. but you guys that said HD
>>>>>> had them for $2 a bulb in bulk, that's a good deal, that we here in
>>>>>> western NJ don't share.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually the LED's have the same problem as the cfl's the transformers
>>>>get heated up too. And being at the top they heat up more than with the
>>>>transformer at the bottom.
>>>
>>>As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
>>>12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
>>>12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
>>>it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
>>>brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
>>
>>There are *lots* of reasons to not do it that way. It's inefficient,
>>expensive, and more work than is warranted. It takes enough copper to
>>wire a house now, you're adding a ton more.
>
>Not necessarily, here's why. Although I can agree with you in
>principle all wiring connections in J-boxes come loose over time and
>as they do the resistance increases and so does the electric bill.
>Especially with aluminum wiring.
No, if the resistance of the wire increases the power bill will
*decrease* (with the possible exception of "negative resistance" loads
like CFLs).
>
>Ceiling lights that are enclosed contain the heat and feed it to the
>ceiling and thus to the wiring connections. (With incandescent lights)
>I have had shorter than expected life on any bulbs outside of LED.
Irrelevant. It still increases the cost of the installation. More
wire is needed.
>
>Anyhow, I have to replace the entire fixture because I got sick and
>tired of the problems. When I removed the fixture, I found all the
>associated wiring from the fixture, cracked, and pieces laying about.
>The wire nuts all showed signs of heat, and the last couple inches of
>the house wiring were discolored and very brittle. These were your
>typical 4x4 boxes, not the deep ones, and there was very little
>"spare" wiring, so I had to be careful and clip the wired where it was
>all soft insulation, and then reconnect them to the new fixtures. That
>is what drove me to checking out the possibility of LED wiring, with
>remote transformers. Since if this happens again then someone is going
>to have to crawl the attic and replace the wiring anyhow.
>
>If the J-boxes weren't right next to the fixture you could shoot it
>with a temp gun, or infrared camera looking for signs of heat, if so
>it needs to be repaired. Most systems when they fail in the J box just
>with open up or short against the box.
>Chandeliers are very prone to this as is any type of ceiling fixtures.
>
>So what I am saying is that it is a real possibility if you are going
>to run new wire anyhow.
>
>Now if the wiring has enough slack in it, then all fixtures could use
>the original house wiring with low resistance to 12 volt lighting and
>then all that needs to be done is cut the wiring someplace that is
>serviceable, and install a transformer between the light switch and
>the fixtures. That would be the simple way.
>
>In my MH all I had to do was twist out the old bulbs and insert the
>LED's. A bit pricey, but it was worth it for the extra days in the
>boonies without burning gas for the generator.
All may be reasons you may want to do this but also irrelevant.
OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
> 12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
> 12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
> it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
> brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
I don't see this happening anytime soon. You may see it with under cabinet
lights or something similar, but not for general room lighting. Why
replace perfectly good and compatible 120V wiring with 12V wiring when it
won't save you anything?
You'll probably have to keep the same size wires because of voltage drop
(you can easily draw enough current with LEDs to make voltage drop an
issue). Couple that with the need for transformers for a low voltage
system in the house and I just don't see it happening. I'm up for civil
discussion about it though. :-)
Puckdropper
[email protected] (Drew Lawson) wrote in news:n6oheg$2kk8$1
@raid.furrfu.com:
> In article <[email protected]>
> Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> writes:
>>Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
>>The cfl's should be run base down.
>
> First time I've heard that. The CFL in our laundry room is in a
> ceiling fixture (the white porcelain w/chain sort). The last couple
> have lasted fine for 4-5 years in that orientation.
>
>
I remember reading that on a package somewhere. I just checked the Feit
Electric Ecobulb Softwhite CFL package and it did not say anything about
orientation.
I happened to have the package handy because I had one burn out. I'm
getting 8-10 hours of use a day, and they're lasting 2-4 years. Not bad at
all.
Puckdropper
I went to the nearby Costco yesterday to pick up some more LED Shop
lights as I'd bought back in the late summer.
Feit brand, two "bulb" 4' plug in with pull switch. $29.99 each Feit
#917972. This is about $27 cheaper than offered on Amazon Prime.
It's a great unit that really throws the light and is instant on to full
brightness (as you'd expect) even in very cold weather.
When I bought them in the summer, the price was right around $37.
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Picked up the Feit's last night. 60w Led for 11.99 or 11.79. 1st bulb
>acts like a flourescent and blinks on like the starter type.
>Second bulb is a dud, third is nice.
>
>Not very good, 6 bulbs and the first 2 were not right. I'll light the
>remaining 3 tonight probably, so I can call Feit. These are supposed to
>be warm white, but they are pretty white/blue.
>
>I put the one that works in my swing arm over my metal lathe. It's way
>brighter than the 75w equiv cfl that was in there. So that was a
>pleasant surprise.
>
> that a 60w equiv beats a 75w equiv. That 75w equiv cfl never seemed to
>be what it should have been.
Might want to hold off till these incandescents become available:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12093545/Return-of-incandescent-light-bulbs-as-MIT-makes-them-more-efficient-than-LEDs.html
http://news.mit.edu/2016/nanophotonic-incandescent-light-bulbs-0111
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>
>Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>
>but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>
>Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
$2 each
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Feit-Electric-60W-Equivalent-Warm-White-A19-LED-Light-Bulb-6-Pack-A800-830-10KLED-6-48/206397936
yer welcome...
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>
> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>
> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>
> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
Where are you located? Zip code for nearest major city will suffice.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On 1/9/2016 5:22 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> > says...
> >>
> >> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
> >> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
> >> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
> >>
> >> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
> >> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
> >>
> >> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
> >>
> >> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
> >> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
> >
> > Where are you located? Zip code for nearest major city will suffice.
> >
>
> 08867
Looks like New Jersey isn't doing the same kind of subsidies as CT, but
HD is listing Phillips 60s at $3.97 for soft white and a buck more for
daylight. Bridgewater has 3-packs of GE for 10.97 and 8-packs for
24.97. When you go in the store you may find additional products that
are not listed on the Web site.
By the way, watch out for the word "eco" in the name or description--
there are now bulbs sold as "eco-incandescent" that seem to be
conventional halogen bulbs in oversized outer enclosures that are being
sold for LED prices.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 1/8/16 3:57 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> > OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
> > news:[email protected]:
> >
> >>
> >> As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
> >> 12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
> >> 12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
> >> it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
> >> brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
> >
> > I don't see this happening anytime soon. You may see it with under cabinet
> > lights or something similar, but not for general room lighting. Why
> > replace perfectly good and compatible 120V wiring with 12V wiring when it
> > won't save you anything?
> >
> > You'll probably have to keep the same size wires because of voltage drop
> > (you can easily draw enough current with LEDs to make voltage drop an
> > issue). Couple that with the need for transformers for a low voltage
> > system in the house and I just don't see it happening. I'm up for civil
> > discussion about it though. :-)
> >
> > Puckdropper
> >
>
> "New installations only" 8^)
>
>
> Moving the heat sensitive power supply to a remote location will be a
> boost for reliability and significantly reduce the physical dimensions
> (namely depth) of the fixture. Think of no hole 'recessed' ceiling lights.
>
> Many LED arrays (talking about the actual emitter here) drop 24V or
> higher. The power supply for a string may actually operate at several
> hundred volts. In actuality these are constant current supplies, not
> constant voltage.
They're installed in series like old-fashioned Christmas lights?!?!?!
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Feit-Electric-60W-Equivalent-Warm-White-A19-LED-Light-Bulb-6-Pack-A800-830-10KLED-6-48/206397936
>
Your home-depot-fu is stronger than mine.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 1/9/16 10:51 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>
> >> On 1/8/16 3:57 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> >>> OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
> >>> news:[email protected]:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
> >>>> 12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
> >>>> 12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
> >>>> it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
> >>>> brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
> >>>
> >>> I don't see this happening anytime soon. You may see it with under cabinet
> >>> lights or something similar, but not for general room lighting. Why
> >>> replace perfectly good and compatible 120V wiring with 12V wiring when it
> >>> won't save you anything?
> >>>
> >>> You'll probably have to keep the same size wires because of voltage drop
> >>> (you can easily draw enough current with LEDs to make voltage drop an
> >>> issue). Couple that with the need for transformers for a low voltage
> >>> system in the house and I just don't see it happening. I'm up for civil
> >>> discussion about it though. :-)
> >>>
> >>> Puckdropper
> >>>
> >>
> >> "New installations only" 8^)
> >>
> >>
> >> Moving the heat sensitive power supply to a remote location will be a
> >> boost for reliability and significantly reduce the physical dimensions
> >> (namely depth) of the fixture. Think of no hole 'recessed' ceiling lights.
> >>
> >> Many LED arrays (talking about the actual emitter here) drop 24V or
> >> higher. The power supply for a string may actually operate at several
> >> hundred volts. In actuality these are constant current supplies, not
> >> constant voltage.
> >
> > They're installed in series like old-fashioned Christmas lights?!?!?!
> >
>
>
> Yep, this keep the current constant through the string. If they were
> wired in parallel (with a constant voltage supply), the LEDs would need
> to be matched in both brightness and temperature/voltage coefficient
> otherwise they would all vary a tad in brightness.
One could argue the same about incandescent bulbs but in reality it's
not a problem with them. It also hasn't been a problem for me with
screw-in LEDs.
> There are multi-channel supplies that allow parallel operation, except
> in reality they can be considered as multiple power supplies inside the
> same box (pair of wires to each fixture).
>
> LEDs are fickle devices, but when properly treated, the chances of a
> dead LED in a string is rather 'dim'.
> There are tricks that allow a remote supply to feed each fixture in
> parallel where the fixture has the final current regulation inside. This
> puts the majority of the heat sensitive parts far away, but some
> efficiency is lost.
>
> -BR
>
>
> -BR
Sams and Wallmart have them also. They tend to stay out of each region
unless it is a large metro areas.
I had a long term Cosco card and dropped it. They were 200+ miles away.
I liked Cosco better than Sams. Hope you get a full size store and not a
small one.
On 1/9/2016 10:03 AM, Brewster wrote:
> On 1/7/16 7:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>
>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>
>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>
>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>
> Costco, 3-pack LED bulbs, 60W equiv. $14.99 with $8 rebate applied at
> checkout.
>
> -BR
>
On 1/9/2016 12:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>>
>> On 1/9/2016 5:22 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>>>
>>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>>>
>>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>>>
>>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>>>
>>> Where are you located? Zip code for nearest major city will suffice.
>>>
>>
>> 08867
>
> Looks like New Jersey isn't doing the same kind of subsidies as CT, but
> HD is listing Phillips 60s at $3.97 for soft white and a buck more for
> daylight. Bridgewater has 3-packs of GE for 10.97 and 8-packs for
> 24.97. When you go in the store you may find additional products that
> are not listed on the Web site.
>
> By the way, watch out for the word "eco" in the name or description--
> there are now bulbs sold as "eco-incandescent" that seem to be
> conventional halogen bulbs in oversized outer enclosures that are being
> sold for LED prices.
>
I saw that the other day, luckily saw the incandesent label..
that was so ridiculous.
--
Jeff
On 1/9/2016 12:34 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 1/9/2016 5:22 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>>>
>>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>>>
>>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>>>
>>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>>>
>>> Where are you located? Zip code for nearest major city will suffice.
>>>
>>
>> 08867
>
> $2 each
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Feit-Electric-60W-Equivalent-Warm-White-A19-LED-Light-Bulb-6-Pack-A800-830-10KLED-6-48/206397936
>
> 00 IN STOCK
> 244 Highway 202, Flemington, NJ 8822 | (908)782-2577
>
> 39 IN STOCK
> 1209 Us Highway 22, Phillipsburg, NJ 8865 | (908)213-0403
>
> 73 IN STOCK
> 2045 State Route 57, Hackettstown, NJ 7840 | (908)684-1822
>
> 232 IN STOCK
> 3926 Nazareth Pike, Bethlehem, PA 18020 | (610)882-0252
>
> 202 IN STOCK
> 400 Promenade Blvd, Bridgewater, NJ 8807 | (732)469-5883
>
> 284 IN STOCK
> 4095 Us Hwy 1, Monmouth Junction, NJ 8852 | (732)438-5980
>
>
Yea I saw that pburg had, I was going to stop in yesterday but forgot.
Flemington had nothing but those eco's
Everything else is not worth traveling for.
if it's not convienent, its not worth it.
--
Jeff
On 1/9/2016 11:03 AM, Brewster wrote:
> On 1/7/16 7:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>
>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>
>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>
>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>
> Costco, 3-pack LED bulbs, 60W equiv. $14.99 with $8 rebate applied at
> checkout.
>
> -BR
>
No costcos around here. They are building one in Flemington, but thats
been 2 years because of issues they needed to mitigate.
--
Jeff
On 1/9/2016 5:22 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>>
>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>
>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>
>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>
>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>
> Where are you located? Zip code for nearest major city will suffice.
>
08867
--
Jeff
On 1/7/2016 10:27 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>
>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>
>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>
>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>
> $2 each
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Feit-Electric-60W-Equivalent-Warm-White-A19-LED-Light-Bulb-6-Pack-A800-830-10KLED-6-48/206397936
>
> yer welcome...
>
Interesting. The HD near me only had the eco line.
This tells me that the other HD near my office has this line. I'll see
if they are there tonight on the way out of here.
--
Jeff
On 1/14/2016 7:18 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>
> Picked up the Feit's last night. 60w Led for 11.99 or 11.79. 1st bulb
> acts like a flourescent and blinks on like the starter type.
> Second bulb is a dud, third is nice.
>
> Not very good, 6 bulbs and the first 2 were not right.
Thank you for reinforcing that I made the right decision to buy Osram
for a couple of bucks more.
>
> I put the one that works in my swing arm over my metal lathe. It's way
> brighter than the 75w equiv cfl that was in there. So that was a
> pleasant surprise.
>
> that a 60w equiv beats a 75w equiv. That 75w equiv cfl never seemed to
> be what it should have been.
>
Nice huh? My preference is for the daylight type as we like the whiter
light. You should see our bathrooms with 3 of that size over the mirror
plus 2 cfl in the ceiling fan.
On 1/7/2016 10:32 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
> Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
> The cfl's should be run base down.
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/7/2016 9:19 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 1/7/2016 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>>>
>>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>>>
>>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>>>
>>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls
>>>> that
>>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>>>
>>> Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
>>> the extra $4 to try one?
>> At that price, I'll wait for the cfl's to go.
>> so no, and then again yes. There are some cfls that are just too dark,
>> so I might bite if I get pissed off enough. but you guys that said HD
>> had them for $2 a bulb in bulk, that's a good deal, that we here in
>> western NJ don't share.
>>
Actually the LED's have the same problem as the cfl's the transformers
get heated up too. And being at the top they heat up more than with the
transformer at the bottom.
--
Jeff
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:asydnWm9N7-CtxLLnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
> On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>
>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>
>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>
>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>
> Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
> the extra $4 to try one?
Correct. It doesn't make economic sense to replace a *working* CFL with an LED. There's
not enough electricity savings to make up for the cost difference.
On 1/8/2016 9:07 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> [email protected] (Drew Lawson) wrote in news:n6oheg$2kk8$1
> @raid.furrfu.com:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>
>> Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> writes:
>>> Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
>>> The cfl's should be run base down.
>>
>> First time I've heard that. The CFL in our laundry room is in a
>> ceiling fixture (the white porcelain w/chain sort). The last couple
>> have lasted fine for 4-5 years in that orientation.
>>
>>
>
> I remember reading that on a package somewhere. I just checked the Feit
> Electric Ecobulb Softwhite CFL package and it did not say anything about
> orientation.
>
> I happened to have the package handy because I had one burn out. I'm
> getting 8-10 hours of use a day, and they're lasting 2-4 years. Not bad at
> all.
>
> Puckdropper
>
Perhaps an early old style problem, like burn-in on a monitor used to
be. I only witnessed this on come old monochrome monitors at work 20~30
years ago. They had the same screen displayed 95% of the time. If you
changed the screen you could easily see the burn-in. LCD and the like
these days, not so much.
I have a CFL Par 40 bulb facing down on my front porch. It has been
burning 24/365 for the last 5 years with only a hand full of times it
may have been briefly turned off.
I will say that its mate, about 6 feet away, has had spotty performance.
It will not always turn back on after being turned off. I need to
replace that one...
On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>
> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>
> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>
> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
the extra $4 to try one?
On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 09:10:33 -0700, Brewster <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 1/8/16 3:57 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>> As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
>>> 12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
>>> 12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
>>> it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
>>> brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
>>
>> I don't see this happening anytime soon. You may see it with under cabinet
>> lights or something similar, but not for general room lighting. Why
>> replace perfectly good and compatible 120V wiring with 12V wiring when it
>> won't save you anything?
>>
>> You'll probably have to keep the same size wires because of voltage drop
>> (you can easily draw enough current with LEDs to make voltage drop an
>> issue). Couple that with the need for transformers for a low voltage
>> system in the house and I just don't see it happening. I'm up for civil
>> discussion about it though. :-)
>>
>> Puckdropper
>>
>
>"New installations only" 8^)
>
>
>Moving the heat sensitive power supply to a remote location will be a
>boost for reliability and significantly reduce the physical dimensions
>(namely depth) of the fixture. Think of no hole 'recessed' ceiling lights.
>
>Many LED arrays (talking about the actual emitter here) drop 24V or
>higher. The power supply for a string may actually operate at several
>hundred volts. In actuality these are constant current supplies, not
>constant voltage.
>
>-BR
Look at all the LED's on new 12 volt vehicles.
I wired my specialty flood lights in parallel and series, and if I
remember properly they were both 6 volt based for the whole thing.
It has been a few years since I made the stuff. I know that they make
a nice explosion per bulb if improperly wired, just don't be near the
bulb/emitter.
On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 21:24:26 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>
>Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>
>but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>
>Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
If there is a Frys near you they might still have the 60 watt
equivalent for around 2.50 per bulb.
I replaced all the lights in a chandelier and instead of replacing
bulbs in it every few months I have not had one failure in over 9
months.
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 03:00:39 +0000, Spalted Walt
<[email protected]> wrote:
>woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>Picked up the Feit's last night. 60w Led for 11.99 or 11.79. 1st bulb
>>acts like a flourescent and blinks on like the starter type.
>>Second bulb is a dud, third is nice.
>>
>>Not very good, 6 bulbs and the first 2 were not right. I'll light the
>>remaining 3 tonight probably, so I can call Feit. These are supposed to
>>be warm white, but they are pretty white/blue.
>>
>>I put the one that works in my swing arm over my metal lathe. It's way
>>brighter than the 75w equiv cfl that was in there. So that was a
>>pleasant surprise.
>>
>> that a 60w equiv beats a 75w equiv. That 75w equiv cfl never seemed to
>>be what it should have been.
>
>Might want to hold off till these incandescents become available:
>
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12093545/Return-of-incandescent-light-bulbs-as-MIT-makes-them-more-efficient-than-LEDs.html
>
>http://news.mit.edu/2016/nanophotonic-incandescent-light-bulbs-0111
>
Don't count on it. The MIT PR mill is famous for publishing nonsense.
On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 23:51:18 -0800, OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:20:23 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On 1/7/2016 10:32 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
>>> Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
>>> The cfl's should be run base down.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> On 1/7/2016 9:19 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>> On 1/7/2016 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>>>>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>>>>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>>>>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>>>>>
>>>>> Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
>>>>> the extra $4 to try one?
>>>> At that price, I'll wait for the cfl's to go.
>>>> so no, and then again yes. There are some cfls that are just too dark,
>>>> so I might bite if I get pissed off enough. but you guys that said HD
>>>> had them for $2 a bulb in bulk, that's a good deal, that we here in
>>>> western NJ don't share.
>>>>
>>
>>Actually the LED's have the same problem as the cfl's the transformers
>>get heated up too. And being at the top they heat up more than with the
>>transformer at the bottom.
>
>As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
>12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
>12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
>it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
>brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
There are *lots* of reasons to not do it that way. It's inefficient,
expensive, and more work than is warranted. It takes enough copper to
wire a house now, you're adding a ton more.
On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 21:24:26 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>
>Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>
>but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>
>Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
Try 1000bulbs.com.
In article <[email protected]>
Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> writes:
>Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
>The cfl's should be run base down.
First time I've heard that. The CFL in our laundry room is in a
ceiling fixture (the white porcelain w/chain sort). The last couple
have lasted fine for 4-5 years in that orientation.
--
Drew Lawson
"Please understand that we are considerably less interested
in you than you are."
-- Madeleine Page, on the deep truths of alt.folklore.urban
On 1/7/2016 10:27 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>
>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>
>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>
>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>
> $2 each
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Feit-Electric-60W-Equivalent-Warm-White-A19-LED-Light-Bulb-6-Pack-A800-830-10KLED-6-48/206397936
>
> yer welcome...
>
"Unavailable". "Check other stores" link doesn't work either. "Answered
Questions" suggests that these might be in a few stores, but are
otherwise unavailable.
On 1/7/16 7:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>
> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>
> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>
> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
Costco, 3-pack LED bulbs, 60W equiv. $14.99 with $8 rebate applied at
checkout.
-BR
On 1/8/16 3:57 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
>> 12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
>> 12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
>> it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
>> brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
>
> I don't see this happening anytime soon. You may see it with under cabinet
> lights or something similar, but not for general room lighting. Why
> replace perfectly good and compatible 120V wiring with 12V wiring when it
> won't save you anything?
>
> You'll probably have to keep the same size wires because of voltage drop
> (you can easily draw enough current with LEDs to make voltage drop an
> issue). Couple that with the need for transformers for a low voltage
> system in the house and I just don't see it happening. I'm up for civil
> discussion about it though. :-)
>
> Puckdropper
>
"New installations only" 8^)
Moving the heat sensitive power supply to a remote location will be a
boost for reliability and significantly reduce the physical dimensions
(namely depth) of the fixture. Think of no hole 'recessed' ceiling lights.
Many LED arrays (talking about the actual emitter here) drop 24V or
higher. The power supply for a string may actually operate at several
hundred volts. In actuality these are constant current supplies, not
constant voltage.
-BR
On 1/9/16 10:51 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> On 1/8/16 3:57 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>> OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
>>>> 12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
>>>> 12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
>>>> it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
>>>> brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
>>>
>>> I don't see this happening anytime soon. You may see it with under cabinet
>>> lights or something similar, but not for general room lighting. Why
>>> replace perfectly good and compatible 120V wiring with 12V wiring when it
>>> won't save you anything?
>>>
>>> You'll probably have to keep the same size wires because of voltage drop
>>> (you can easily draw enough current with LEDs to make voltage drop an
>>> issue). Couple that with the need for transformers for a low voltage
>>> system in the house and I just don't see it happening. I'm up for civil
>>> discussion about it though. :-)
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>>
>>
>> "New installations only" 8^)
>>
>>
>> Moving the heat sensitive power supply to a remote location will be a
>> boost for reliability and significantly reduce the physical dimensions
>> (namely depth) of the fixture. Think of no hole 'recessed' ceiling lights.
>>
>> Many LED arrays (talking about the actual emitter here) drop 24V or
>> higher. The power supply for a string may actually operate at several
>> hundred volts. In actuality these are constant current supplies, not
>> constant voltage.
>
> They're installed in series like old-fashioned Christmas lights?!?!?!
>
Yep, this keep the current constant through the string. If they were
wired in parallel (with a constant voltage supply), the LEDs would need
to be matched in both brightness and temperature/voltage coefficient
otherwise they would all vary a tad in brightness.
There are multi-channel supplies that allow parallel operation, except
in reality they can be considered as multiple power supplies inside the
same box (pair of wires to each fixture).
LEDs are fickle devices, but when properly treated, the chances of a
dead LED in a string is rather 'dim'.
There are tricks that allow a remote supply to feed each fixture in
parallel where the fixture has the final current regulation inside. This
puts the majority of the heat sensitive parts far away, but some
efficiency is lost.
-BR
-BR
On 1/9/16 1:20 PM, OFWW wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 09:10:33 -0700, Brewster <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 1/8/16 3:57 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>> OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
>>>> 12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
>>>> 12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
>>>> it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
>>>> brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
>>>
>>> I don't see this happening anytime soon. You may see it with under cabinet
>>> lights or something similar, but not for general room lighting. Why
>>> replace perfectly good and compatible 120V wiring with 12V wiring when it
>>> won't save you anything?
>>>
>>> You'll probably have to keep the same size wires because of voltage drop
>>> (you can easily draw enough current with LEDs to make voltage drop an
>>> issue). Couple that with the need for transformers for a low voltage
>>> system in the house and I just don't see it happening. I'm up for civil
>>> discussion about it though. :-)
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>>
>>
>> "New installations only" 8^)
>>
>>
>> Moving the heat sensitive power supply to a remote location will be a
>> boost for reliability and significantly reduce the physical dimensions
>> (namely depth) of the fixture. Think of no hole 'recessed' ceiling lights.
>>
>> Many LED arrays (talking about the actual emitter here) drop 24V or
>> higher. The power supply for a string may actually operate at several
>> hundred volts. In actuality these are constant current supplies, not
>> constant voltage.
>>
>> -BR
>
> Look at all the LED's on new 12 volt vehicles.
>
> I wired my specialty flood lights in parallel and series, and if I
> remember properly they were both 6 volt based for the whole thing.
>
> It has been a few years since I made the stuff. I know that they make
> a nice explosion per bulb if improperly wired, just don't be near the
> bulb/emitter.
>
Nothing quite like an expensive LED letting it's smoke out...
Cheaper LED lights that only require a fixed voltage often have small
resistors to regulate (actually limit is more correct) the current.
These are pure energy efficiency losses.
Of course consideration must be given to having an LED power supply
'system' running at only 80% efficiency compared with the efficiency of
what you are replacing. If peak efficiency is not a big deal, then fixed
voltage lamps are certainly a good option.
-BR
On 08 Jan 2016 10:57:19 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
>> 12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
>> 12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
>> it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
>> brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
>
>I don't see this happening anytime soon. You may see it with under cabinet
>lights or something similar, but not for general room lighting. Why
>replace perfectly good and compatible 120V wiring with 12V wiring when it
>won't save you anything?
>
Actually it is already starting in new custom homes, mostly in the
kitchens with ceiling lamps. One transformer for each run of lamps. I
checked with I thing it was GE or maybe Sylvania on this.
However, you are correct in slow coming for the majority since most
lamps have the voltage reducers built into the bulb, and until the
bulbs become popularly available we will be stuck with the hacked
bulbs. For now most bulbs with be "replacement" self contained bulbs.
>You'll probably have to keep the same size wires because of voltage drop
>(you can easily draw enough current with LEDs to make voltage drop an
>issue). Couple that with the need for transformers for a low voltage
>system in the house and I just don't see it happening. I'm up for civil
>discussion about it though. :-)
>
>Puckdropper
The same wire size up to the line transformer, from there to the
fixtures it would depend on total wattage and voltage used. The nice
thing about the LED kitchen recessed lighting is that they are low in
height and many easily fit into a four inch or less area for height
and they run cooler overall.
On 1/9/2016 12:17 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 11:03 AM, Brewster wrote:
>> On 1/7/16 7:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>>
>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>>
>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>>
>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>>
>> Costco, 3-pack LED bulbs, 60W equiv. $14.99 with $8 rebate applied at
>> checkout.
>>
>> -BR
>>
>
> No costcos around here. They are building one in Flemington, but thats
> been 2 years because of issues they needed to mitigate.
>
Picked up the Feit's last night. 60w Led for 11.99 or 11.79. 1st bulb
acts like a flourescent and blinks on like the starter type.
Second bulb is a dud, third is nice.
Not very good, 6 bulbs and the first 2 were not right. I'll light the
remaining 3 tonight probably, so I can call Feit. These are supposed to
be warm white, but they are pretty white/blue.
I put the one that works in my swing arm over my metal lathe. It's way
brighter than the 75w equiv cfl that was in there. So that was a
pleasant surprise.
that a 60w equiv beats a 75w equiv. That 75w equiv cfl never seemed to
be what it should have been.
--
Jeff
On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:42:45 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 23:51:18 -0800, OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:20:23 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 1/7/2016 10:32 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
>>>> Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
>>>> The cfl's should be run base down.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> On 1/7/2016 9:19 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>>> On 1/7/2016 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>>>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>>>>>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>>>>>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>>>>>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
>>>>>> the extra $4 to try one?
>>>>> At that price, I'll wait for the cfl's to go.
>>>>> so no, and then again yes. There are some cfls that are just too dark,
>>>>> so I might bite if I get pissed off enough. but you guys that said HD
>>>>> had them for $2 a bulb in bulk, that's a good deal, that we here in
>>>>> western NJ don't share.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>Actually the LED's have the same problem as the cfl's the transformers
>>>get heated up too. And being at the top they heat up more than with the
>>>transformer at the bottom.
>>
>>As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
>>12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
>>12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
>>it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
>>brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.
>
>There are *lots* of reasons to not do it that way. It's inefficient,
>expensive, and more work than is warranted. It takes enough copper to
>wire a house now, you're adding a ton more.
Not necessarily, here's why. Although I can agree with you in
principle all wiring connections in J-boxes come loose over time and
as they do the resistance increases and so does the electric bill.
Especially with aluminum wiring.
Ceiling lights that are enclosed contain the heat and feed it to the
ceiling and thus to the wiring connections. (With incandescent lights)
I have had shorter than expected life on any bulbs outside of LED.
Anyhow, I have to replace the entire fixture because I got sick and
tired of the problems. When I removed the fixture, I found all the
associated wiring from the fixture, cracked, and pieces laying about.
The wire nuts all showed signs of heat, and the last couple inches of
the house wiring were discolored and very brittle. These were your
typical 4x4 boxes, not the deep ones, and there was very little
"spare" wiring, so I had to be careful and clip the wired where it was
all soft insulation, and then reconnect them to the new fixtures. That
is what drove me to checking out the possibility of LED wiring, with
remote transformers. Since if this happens again then someone is going
to have to crawl the attic and replace the wiring anyhow.
If the J-boxes weren't right next to the fixture you could shoot it
with a temp gun, or infrared camera looking for signs of heat, if so
it needs to be repaired. Most systems when they fail in the J box just
with open up or short against the box.
Chandeliers are very prone to this as is any type of ceiling fixtures.
So what I am saying is that it is a real possibility if you are going
to run new wire anyhow.
Now if the wiring has enough slack in it, then all fixtures could use
the original house wiring with low resistance to 12 volt lighting and
then all that needs to be done is cut the wiring someplace that is
serviceable, and install a transformer between the light switch and
the fixtures. That would be the simple way.
In my MH all I had to do was twist out the old bulbs and insert the
LED's. A bit pricey, but it was worth it for the extra days in the
boonies without burning gas for the generator.
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 1/9/2016 5:22 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> says...
>>>
>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>>
>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>>
>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>>
>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>>
>> Where are you located? Zip code for nearest major city will suffice.
>>
>
>08867
$2 each
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Feit-Electric-60W-Equivalent-Warm-White-A19-LED-Light-Bulb-6-Pack-A800-830-10KLED-6-48/206397936
00 IN STOCK
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On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 21:24:26 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>
>Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>
>but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>
>Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
Check online.
60 watt equiv, $2.99
http://www.homedepot.com/p/TCP-60W-Equivalent-Soft-White-A19-Non-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-RLA1027ND/206587566
GE 60 watt equiv, 3/$10.97
http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-60W-Equivalent-Daylight-General-Purpose-LED-Bright-Stik-light-bulb-3-Pack-LED10S3-5K-96/205783755
Ship to store is free. Ship to home if you spend enouh $$.
On 1/7/2016 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>
>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>
>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>
>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls that
>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>
> Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
> the extra $4 to try one?
At that price, I'll wait for the cfl's to go.
so no, and then again yes. There are some cfls that are just too dark,
so I might bite if I get pissed off enough. but you guys that said HD
had them for $2 a bulb in bulk, that's a good deal, that we here in
western NJ don't share.
--
Jeff
On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:20:23 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 1/7/2016 10:32 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
>> Remember the LED works in all directions and rotations and flip flop.
>> The cfl's should be run base down.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On 1/7/2016 9:19 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 1/7/2016 10:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/7/2016 9:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>>> Just went to HD tonight. While there I looked at the LED value packs.
>>>>> 24.78 for 4 x 60w equiv.
>>>>> 29.98 for 4 x 75w equiv.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are those $2 bulbs? Those were the only multi pack LED's..
>>>>> ECO brand. I didn't look at the 40w equiv.
>>>>>
>>>>> but no where near what you guys are able to get.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still too rich for my blood. At $2 I was going to replace some cfls
>>>>> that
>>>>> just don't have enough light, but at more than 6.. nah.
>>>>
>>>> Better quality light, longer life, savings on electricity. Not worth
>>>> the extra $4 to try one?
>>> At that price, I'll wait for the cfl's to go.
>>> so no, and then again yes. There are some cfls that are just too dark,
>>> so I might bite if I get pissed off enough. but you guys that said HD
>>> had them for $2 a bulb in bulk, that's a good deal, that we here in
>>> western NJ don't share.
>>>
>
>Actually the LED's have the same problem as the cfl's the transformers
>get heated up too. And being at the top they heat up more than with the
>transformer at the bottom.
As LED's take off look, for the wiring for home lights to be run for
12volts, with a transformer to drop for every couple rooms, or use a
12 volt battery for whole house lighting. There is no reason not to do
it that way, All the lights in my motor home are 12 volt LED's and way
brighter than incandescent's with less amperage draw.