On 11/19/2014 7:42 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:12:19 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> That's why I made this to use in those situations, not that it makes
>> that particular jig/method 100% safer, but anyone who has ever had a
>> router grab a workpiece due to an edge grain issue will appreciate
>> taking advantage of any extra safety edge they can get when routing:
>
> Man, scrolling through all those jigs you have, I'm wondering how you
> have time to make anything else. How do you keep track of all those
> jigs?
Everyone was made to solve a problem, or to head one off, and they all
add up down through the years.
Many or just one-off's...
Just imagine how many there would be in that collection if mobile phone
cameras and the world wide web had been around 50 years ago. ;)
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On 11/19/2014 4:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/19/14, 5:14 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 11/19/2014 8:42 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>> On 11/18/2014 11:13 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be
>>>>> trying that method.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not a problem with a sharp bit.
>>>
>>> I'll bow to greater skill and experience then, but I still won't
>>> be trying it. I'm old enough to realize how easy it is to perform
>>> a repetitive task correctly *almost* every time; but this task
>>> demands 100%. The penalty for inattention isn't merely ruining a
>>> piece of wood, and one of my other pursuits requires ten functional
>>> fingers.
>>
>>
>> It is good to be leery. Dull bit are more likely to grab.
>
>
> Dull things always seem to be the problem. I don't think I've ever been
> cut by a sharp tool. It's always the dulls tools that slip and getcha.
>
They hurt more too. More than once, I've been cut by a really sharp
blade and didn't even know it until I looked down and saw blood.
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Poloroid instant camera circa 1960? :)
>
> I had one in 1970 ~ about five minutes for it to develop and then a
> few minutes for the sealer to work. About ten minutes time for each
> black and white picture. Not exactly mobile phone speed, but all in
> all not too bad for that era.
-----------------------------------------------------
Late 50's
A displacement transducer connected to an amplifier which in turn
serves as an input to a scope equipped with a Polaroid used to
capture pictures of scope traces of drop tests.
Next sit down at your desk and using an engineer's scale, measure
the traces and integrate the area under the curves to determine the
amount of energy absorbed by the test piece (Rubber draft gears
used on railroad cars).
I was doing this as a co-op student while the Ruskis were developing
Sputnik along about then.
Lew
"Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> I have a very small CNC wood router, and a couple CNC Mills, but I
> often find some jobs (especially one off jobs) are faster to do with
> manual tools. Sometimes I make tools or jigs to make manual machining
> and cutting easier. Sometimes I make jigs to make CNC machining easier
> too. LOL. (Usually for setting up the work piece repeatably, or
> aligning multiple parts cut separately.)
>
> As to Wood Peckers since they make the tools they sell (or a lot of
> them anyway) I suspect that anything they have a large demand for they
> will run a batch of, but setting up to make one or two just isn't cost
> effective for them.
>
I've been thinking about picking up a CNC Mill. Have you tried doing
square inside corners like window cut outs? One of my primary uses would
be cutting out styrene for model kits, but I say that knowing I bought a
lathe for model railroad work and only used it for that twice. :-)
This is a simple building, but I'm hoping a CNC mill would let me do more
complex projects:
http://puckdroppersplace.us/other/Light%20On.JPG
Puckdropper
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On 11/26/2014 9:36 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>
>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that method.
>
> Looks very clever to me.
>
There's nothing new there.
There have been many articles in magazines over the years about home
made versions.
All this is, is an expensive version. Not worth the $$.
Easy enough to make if you need one.
--
Jeff
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:12:51 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 11/26/2014 9:36 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>>
>>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that method.
>>
>> Looks very clever to me.
>>
>
>There's nothing new there.
>There have been many articles in magazines over the years about home
>made versions.
>
>All this is, is an expensive version. Not worth the $$.
>
>Easy enough to make if you need one.
Yep, only three steps.
Buy a CNC machine
Program it
Machine.
On 11/18/2014 11:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>
> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that method.
>
It actually doesn't look that dangerous. The whole jig would need to
slide off the work almost completely in order for it to get into the
router bit's cutting edges. But it's certainly possible, and if it ever
did happen, the results could definitely be disastrous... and we all
know how quickly those kinds of disasters happen with power tools.
The bigger question for me is why would I ever need this? I never had
one. Any shop with a real need for it would build a more safe and secure
version from scrap parts at no cost except the fabrication time.
Honestly, I believe it's another unnecessary item marketed to newbies
with more money than sense or ingenuity, and who still have not yet
soiled their shorts doing something really stupid.
John '10 Fingers' Paquay
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On 11/21/2014 12:53 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 11/21/2014 12:13 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> "Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> "Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On 11/19/2014 9:42 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/18/2014 11:13 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> method.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not a problem with a sharp bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll bow to greater skill and experience then, but I still won't be
>>>>>> trying it. I'm old enough to realize how easy it is to perform a
>>>>>> repetitive task correctly *almost* every time; but this task demands
>>>>>> 100%. The penalty for inattention isn't merely ruining a piece of
>>>>>> wood,
>>>>>> and one of my other pursuits requires ten functional fingers.
>>>>> I watched the video and like some others it makes me nervous.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like it would be safer if there were some type of finger
>>>>> indent
>>>>> or wing on the side that would catch the finger if there were an
>>>>> accidental slip of the finger.
>>>>
>>>> A carbide router bit will slice through aluminum almost as easily as a
>>>> hard
>>>> wood. In fact I sometimes will use a carbide router bit on one of the
>>>> CNC
>>>> mills in a pinch of I can't find a carbide end mill that is perfect
>>>> to do
>>>> the job. I would not trust a finger indent to protect me at all.
>>>> The red
>>>> anodized finish is slightly harder, but it still won't even slow the
>>>> cutter
>>>> down. However making something like this with a handle and/or
>>>> clamping rod
>>>> so your hand is NEVER moving directly towards the cutter would not
>>>> be too
>>>> difficult. Sharp cutters would certainly be the ticket with any
>>>> finished
>>>> edge.
>>>
>>>
>>> This jig for doing the job looks like it would be much safer:
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/ottcornerjig.html
>>>
>>> Considering the number of machined and anodized parts it looks like a
>>> fairly reasonable price. Especially for an American manufacturer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> It does look better but unfortunately it was a one time tool and it
>> may or may not ever become available again.
>
> On a positive note, it would not be a difficult tool to make for anybody
> with a CNC mill or even a reasonably rigid CNC wood router.
>
>
>
If they had a CNC mill or router they probably would not even need the
jig.... ;~)
On 11/19/2014 8:42 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 11/18/2014 11:13 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>>
>>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that
>>> method.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not a problem with a sharp bit.
>
> I'll bow to greater skill and experience then, but I still won't be
> trying it. I'm old enough to realize how easy it is to perform a
> repetitive task correctly *almost* every time; but this task demands
> 100%. The penalty for inattention isn't merely ruining a piece of wood,
> and one of my other pursuits requires ten functional fingers.
It is good to be leery. Dull bit are more likely to grab.
Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote in news:8fd8f685-e3b3-4338-9db6-
[email protected]:
> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>
> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that method.
I won't either. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote in news:546d3197$0$18058$882e7ee2
@usenet-news.net:
> On 11/19/2014 4:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>> Dull things always seem to be the problem. I don't think I've ever been
>> cut by a sharp tool. It's always the dulls tools that slip and getcha.
>>
> They hurt more too. More than once, I've been cut by a really sharp
> blade and didn't even know it until I looked down and saw blood.
BTDT -- wondering what kept making these odd little red spots on the maple. Fortunately,
hydrogen peroxide took care of the stains...
On 11/19/2014 6:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/19/2014 7:42 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:12:19 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> That's why I made this to use in those situations, not that it makes
>>> that particular jig/method 100% safer, but anyone who has ever had a
>>> router grab a workpiece due to an edge grain issue will appreciate
>>> taking advantage of any extra safety edge they can get when routing:
>>
>> Man, scrolling through all those jigs you have, I'm wondering how you
>> have time to make anything else. How do you keep track of all those
>> jigs?
>
>
> Everyone was made to solve a problem, or to head one off, and they all
> add up down through the years.
>
> Many or just one-off's...
>
> Just imagine how many there would be in that collection if mobile phone
> cameras and the world wide web had been around 50 years ago. ;)
>
At least 2 brazilian !
On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>
> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that method.
Nothing wrong with the method, but I personally do not like to get my
fingers that close to a router bit without a bit of extra precaution.
That's why I made this to use in those situations, not that it makes
that particular jig/method 100% safer, but anyone who has ever had a
router grab a workpiece due to an edge grain issue will appreciate
taking advantage of any extra safety edge they can get when routing:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods?noredirect=1#5684918957758552450
Woodpecker has always catered to folks looking to purchase shortcuts to
woodworking when they could be honing another skill making their own
jigs for the job. With just a smattering of ingenuity you can make a
much safer router jig, using the same method to radius corners, and for
far less than what Woodpecker charges you for that little piece of metal.
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On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:27:32 AM UTC-6, [email protected] w=
rote:
> It seems like it would be safer if there were some type of finger indent=
=20
> or wing on the side that would catch the finger if there were an=20
> accidental slip of the finger.
>=20
Right! I'd be inclined to have something else as backup protection, that w=
ay (plus a little more distance). Never know, a little vibration, from a =
slightly dulled bit, would be something one may not pay attention to. I'm =
sure all the demo videos are with perfectly sharpened tools.
Sonny
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:06:15 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just imagine how many there would be in that collection if mobile phone
>cameras and the world wide web had been around 50 years ago. ;)
Poloroid instant camera circa 1960? :)
I had one in 1970 ~ about five minutes for it to develop and then a
few minutes for the sealer to work. About ten minutes time for each
black and white picture. Not exactly mobile phone speed, but all in
all not too bad for that era.
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 05:44:42 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Yabbut, but where's the url go?
Morse code. ..- .-. .-..
:)
On 11/18/14, 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>
> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that
> method.
>
That one finger is a little close for my comfort, but probably because
I'm watching someone else. I *know* I've been that close before. With
the stops on that guide and an anti-kickback bit, there's not much to
fear if you're used to hand feeding stock like that.
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On 11/18/2014 11:13 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>
>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that
>> method.
>>
>
>
> Not a problem with a sharp bit.
I'll bow to greater skill and experience then, but I still won't be
trying it. I'm old enough to realize how easy it is to perform a
repetitive task correctly *almost* every time; but this task demands
100%. The penalty for inattention isn't merely ruining a piece of wood,
and one of my other pursuits requires ten functional fingers.
On 11/19/2014 7:12 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>
>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that
>> method.
>
>
> Nothing wrong with the method, but I personally do not like to get my
> fingers that close to a router bit without a bit of extra precaution.
>
> That's why I made this to use in those situations, not that it makes
> that particular jig/method 100% safer, but anyone who has ever had a
> router grab a workpiece due to an edge grain issue will appreciate
> taking advantage of any extra safety edge they can get when routing:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods?noredirect=1#5684918957758552450
>
>
> Woodpecker has always catered to folks looking to purchase shortcuts to
> woodworking when they could be honing another skill making their own
> jigs for the job. With just a smattering of ingenuity you can make a
> much safer router jig, using the same method to radius corners, and for
> far less than what Woodpecker charges you for that little piece of metal.
>
I "discovered" pattern routing here on the wRec. I'm pretty sure that if
I needed to round corners like that, I'd make a much bigger template and
hold the wood to it with toggle clamps. In my last foray into
pattern-routing I even added handles to the jig:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/14316360681/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
My fingers were nowhere near the bit *and* I felt like a had firm
control of the piece.
For round corners, I saw a clever idea in a magazine: a rectangle of MDF
(maybe letter-paper size) with each corner rounded to a different
radius. One handy template for four different sizes.
On 11/19/2014 9:42 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 11/18/2014 11:13 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>>
>>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that
>>> method.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not a problem with a sharp bit.
>
> I'll bow to greater skill and experience then, but I still won't be
> trying it. I'm old enough to realize how easy it is to perform a
> repetitive task correctly *almost* every time; but this task demands
> 100%. The penalty for inattention isn't merely ruining a piece of wood,
> and one of my other pursuits requires ten functional fingers.
I watched the video and like some others it makes me nervous.
It seems like it would be safer if there were some type of finger indent
or wing on the side that would catch the finger if there were an
accidental slip of the finger.
Would I use it? Probably, but I would think things through very
carefully, and then concentrate on what I was doing, and not be
listening to music or talking to a friend.
On 11/19/2014 10:27 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> if there were an accidental slip of the finger.
Or an accidental slip of the *work*. I read someplace - maybe here -
that you have to ask yourself what happens if something slips. "I'm not
sure" is an unacceptable answer. I think about that when I find myself
applying pressure toward the cutter. Only my grip on the work and the
resistance of the work to the cut is preventing my hand from moving
toward the bit or blade in an unexpected way.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Woodpecker has always catered to folks looking to purchase shortcuts to
> woodworking when they could be honing another skill making their own
> jigs for the job. With just a smattering of ingenuity you can make a
> much safer router jig, using the same method to radius corners, and for
> far less than what Woodpecker charges you for that little piece of
> metal.
That's something I have never quite understood. I can understand a pro
buying them...if they help you make money, it is worth the money but so
many people doing woodworking as a hobby buy a multitude of jigs,
whatchamacallits and thingys when they could very easily make the same
thing. Why?
The same thing was true in photography...many of the pros had every
Hasselblad lens and accessory ever made, rarely - if ever - used them. In
their case, I understand the impetus...the thinking was, "With this I can
make great photos". It was rarely true, great pix come from the mind, not
gear. Same thing with woodworking.
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On 11/19/2014 3:34 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote in news:8fd8f685-e3b3-4338-9db6-
> [email protected]:
>
>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>
>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that method.
>
> I won't either. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
>
I think it is a good idea, but a poor implemenation of the idea
On 11/19/2014 4:32 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 11/19/2014 3:34 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote in news:8fd8f685-e3b3-4338-9db6-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>>
>>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that
>>> method.
>>
>> I won't either. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
>>
> I think it is a good idea, but a poor implemenation of the idea
On that note, they stress the ease of use, stating that you need no
clamps, no double-stick tape etc. But what if your work piece is wider
than the span of your fingers? How do you hold the (very small) jig
securely then?
On 11/19/14, 5:14 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/19/2014 8:42 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> On 11/18/2014 11:13 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>>>
>>>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be
>>>> trying that method.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not a problem with a sharp bit.
>>
>> I'll bow to greater skill and experience then, but I still won't
>> be trying it. I'm old enough to realize how easy it is to perform
>> a repetitive task correctly *almost* every time; but this task
>> demands 100%. The penalty for inattention isn't merely ruining a
>> piece of wood, and one of my other pursuits requires ten functional
>> fingers.
>
>
> It is good to be leery. Dull bit are more likely to grab.
Dull things always seem to be the problem. I don't think I've ever been
cut by a sharp tool. It's always the dulls tools that slip and getcha.
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-MIKE- wrote:
>
> Dull things always seem to be the problem. I don't think I've ever
> been cut by a sharp tool. It's always the dulls tools that slip and
> getcha.
Oh... I've sure as hell been cut by sharp tools - way more than once. But -
usually because I was using them like they were dull tools and suddenly
discovered that they weren't dull! The hard way...
--
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"Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11/19/2014 9:42 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> On 11/18/2014 11:13 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>>>
>>>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that
>>>> method.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not a problem with a sharp bit.
>>
>> I'll bow to greater skill and experience then, but I still won't be
>> trying it. I'm old enough to realize how easy it is to perform a
>> repetitive task correctly *almost* every time; but this task demands
>> 100%. The penalty for inattention isn't merely ruining a piece of wood,
>> and one of my other pursuits requires ten functional fingers.
> I watched the video and like some others it makes me nervous.
>
> It seems like it would be safer if there were some type of finger indent
> or wing on the side that would catch the finger if there were an
> accidental slip of the finger.
A carbide router bit will slice through aluminum almost as easily as a hard
wood. In fact I sometimes will use a carbide router bit on one of the CNC
mills in a pinch of I can't find a carbide end mill that is perfect to do
the job. I would not trust a finger indent to protect me at all. The red
anodized finish is slightly harder, but it still won't even slow the cutter
down. However making something like this with a handle and/or clamping rod
so your hand is NEVER moving directly towards the cutter would not be too
difficult. Sharp cutters would certainly be the ticket with any finished
edge.
"Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 11/19/2014 9:42 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>> On 11/18/2014 11:13 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that
>>>>> method.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not a problem with a sharp bit.
>>>
>>> I'll bow to greater skill and experience then, but I still won't be
>>> trying it. I'm old enough to realize how easy it is to perform a
>>> repetitive task correctly *almost* every time; but this task demands
>>> 100%. The penalty for inattention isn't merely ruining a piece of wood,
>>> and one of my other pursuits requires ten functional fingers.
>> I watched the video and like some others it makes me nervous.
>>
>> It seems like it would be safer if there were some type of finger indent
>> or wing on the side that would catch the finger if there were an
>> accidental slip of the finger.
>
> A carbide router bit will slice through aluminum almost as easily as a
> hard
> wood. In fact I sometimes will use a carbide router bit on one of the CNC
> mills in a pinch of I can't find a carbide end mill that is perfect to do
> the job. I would not trust a finger indent to protect me at all. The
> red
> anodized finish is slightly harder, but it still won't even slow the
> cutter
> down. However making something like this with a handle and/or clamping
> rod
> so your hand is NEVER moving directly towards the cutter would not be too
> difficult. Sharp cutters would certainly be the ticket with any finished
> edge.
This jig for doing the job looks like it would be much safer:
http://www.woodpeck.com/ottcornerjig.html
Considering the number of machined and anodized parts it looks like a fairly
reasonable price. Especially for an American manufacturer.
"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11/21/2014 12:13 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> "Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 11/19/2014 9:42 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>>> On 11/18/2014 11:13 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>>>>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> method.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not a problem with a sharp bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll bow to greater skill and experience then, but I still won't be
>>>>> trying it. I'm old enough to realize how easy it is to perform a
>>>>> repetitive task correctly *almost* every time; but this task demands
>>>>> 100%. The penalty for inattention isn't merely ruining a piece of
>>>>> wood,
>>>>> and one of my other pursuits requires ten functional fingers.
>>>> I watched the video and like some others it makes me nervous.
>>>>
>>>> It seems like it would be safer if there were some type of finger
>>>> indent
>>>> or wing on the side that would catch the finger if there were an
>>>> accidental slip of the finger.
>>>
>>> A carbide router bit will slice through aluminum almost as easily as a
>>> hard
>>> wood. In fact I sometimes will use a carbide router bit on one of the
>>> CNC
>>> mills in a pinch of I can't find a carbide end mill that is perfect to
>>> do
>>> the job. I would not trust a finger indent to protect me at all.
>>> The red
>>> anodized finish is slightly harder, but it still won't even slow the
>>> cutter
>>> down. However making something like this with a handle and/or
>>> clamping rod
>>> so your hand is NEVER moving directly towards the cutter would not be
>>> too
>>> difficult. Sharp cutters would certainly be the ticket with any
>>> finished
>>> edge.
>>
>>
>> This jig for doing the job looks like it would be much safer:
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/ottcornerjig.html
>>
>> Considering the number of machined and anodized parts it looks like a
>> fairly reasonable price. Especially for an American manufacturer.
>>
>>
>>
> It does look better but unfortunately it was a one time tool and it may or
> may not ever become available again.
On a positive note, it would not be a difficult tool to make for anybody
with a CNC mill or even a reasonably rigid CNC wood router.
On 11/21/2014 2:51 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/21/2014 12:53 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>
>> On a positive note, it would not be a difficult tool to make for anybody
>> with a CNC mill or even a reasonably rigid CNC wood router.
>>
>>
>>
> If they had a CNC mill or router they probably would not even need the
> jig.... ;~)
That is Norm Thinking. Everybody doing wood working does not have the
cash so they could by a CNC Miller or a 50 inch sander like Norm uses.
"Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11/21/2014 2:51 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 11/21/2014 12:53 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>
>
>>> On a positive note, it would not be a difficult tool to make for anybody
>>> with a CNC mill or even a reasonably rigid CNC wood router.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> If they had a CNC mill or router they probably would not even need the
>> jig.... ;~)
>
>
> That is Norm Thinking. Everybody doing wood working does not have the
> cash so they could by a CNC Miller or a 50 inch sander like Norm uses.
I have a very small CNC wood router, and a couple CNC Mills, but I often
find some jobs (especially one off jobs) are faster to do with manual tools.
Sometimes I make tools or jigs to make manual machining and cutting easier.
Sometimes I make jigs to make CNC machining easier too. LOL. (Usually for
setting up the work piece repeatably, or aligning multiple parts cut
separately.)
As to Wood Peckers since they make the tools they sell (or a lot of them
anyway) I suspect that anything they have a large demand for they will run a
batch of, but setting up to make one or two just isn't cost effective for
them.
"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> I have a very small CNC wood router, and a couple CNC Mills, but I
>> often find some jobs (especially one off jobs) are faster to do with
>> manual tools. Sometimes I make tools or jigs to make manual machining
>> and cutting easier. Sometimes I make jigs to make CNC machining easier
>> too. LOL. (Usually for setting up the work piece repeatably, or
>> aligning multiple parts cut separately.)
>>
>> As to Wood Peckers since they make the tools they sell (or a lot of
>> them anyway) I suspect that anything they have a large demand for they
>> will run a batch of, but setting up to make one or two just isn't cost
>> effective for them.
>>
>
> I've been thinking about picking up a CNC Mill. Have you tried doing
> square inside corners like window cut outs?
If you mean to profile cut the inside of a square or rectangle then the
sharpness of the inside corner of your final cut is limited by the radius of
your cutter. Depending on the exact application this is often dealt with by
doing a corner over cut operation. I imagine for something like glass hung
with glazing compound it would be no big deal, but for other operations not
so much. Note, thoyugh that there are other reasons windows and window
frames are cut out of multiple pieces and assembled. Even mass produced
machine built windows like Pella or Milguard.
.
> One of my primary uses would
> be cutting out styrene for model kits, but I say that knowing I bought a
> lathe for model railroad work and only used it for that twice. :-)
>
> This is a simple building, but I'm hoping a CNC mill would let me do more
> complex projects:
>
> http://puckdroppersplace.us/other/Light%20On.JPG
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On 11/19/14, 7:52 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> My fingers were nowhere near the bit *and* I felt like a had firm
> control of the piece.
>
> For round corners, I saw a clever idea in a magazine: a rectangle of MDF
> (maybe letter-paper size) with each corner rounded to a different
> radius. One handy template for four different sizes.
I can grok.
A few years back I bought 1 100 or so old dorm desks (solid oak) at
auction for $0.50 each, all had drawer dust panels made in part from
masonite. Anyhoo, I have 100's of 17"x15" pieces of this stuff and it is
the "go-to" stash for router templates. Thin double stick carpet tape, a
spiral cut pattern bit in the router table and Bob's your uncle!
The key to making that cut in the video safer is to bandsaw close to the
finished curve. Much less for the bit to grab and toss and less chance
of splitting/tearout. Wood species also changes the comfort level.
Cherry is wondeful, Oak is not too bad, Hickory and cedar are basically
just scary.
-Bruce
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On 11/19/14, 2:10 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>> Woodpecker has always catered to folks looking to purchase shortcuts to
>> woodworking when they could be honing another skill making their own
>> jigs for the job. With just a smattering of ingenuity you can make a
>> much safer router jig, using the same method to radius corners, and for
>> far less than what Woodpecker charges you for that little piece of metal.
>
> That's something I have never quite understood. I can understand a pro
> buying them...if they help you make money, it is worth the money but so
> many people doing woodworking as a hobby buy a multitude of jigs,
> whatchamacallits and thingys when they could very easily make the same
> thing. Why?
>
> The same thing was true in photography...many of the pros had every
> Hasselblad lens and accessory ever made, rarely - if ever - used them.
> In their case, I understand the impetus...the thinking was, "With this I
> can make great photos". It was rarely true, great pix come from the
> mind, not gear. Same thing with woodworking.
>
>
That is the impression I get with the Woodpecker's stuff. It's very well
machined (I have one of their router lift inserts), but it is obvious
they have a large investment in CNC machinery and aluminum stock. Many
of there products seem to be something overkill trying to find a need
and of course keep there factory in use. If you are a production shop,
then maybe some of these things make sense, but I cringe when I see
their latest aluminum measuring/marking stuff and wondering what would
happen if I dropped it on the concrete floor. Other things like fancy
table saw setup fixtures, great for getting the job done but how many
times do you need to set up your saw?
-Bruce
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In article <[email protected]>,
Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
>Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>
>I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that method.
Looks very clever to me.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
On 11/18/2014 11:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>
> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that method.
>
yep, perfectly safe.
But like most Woodpeckers products probably way over priced.
Like the $100 T square.
--
Jeff
On 11/21/2014 12:13 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> "Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 11/19/2014 9:42 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>> On 11/18/2014 11:13 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 11/18/2014 10:04 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>>>> Not to me, it doesn't. Especially at 53 seconds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rB4XhAaUA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't claim to speak from experience, but I will not be trying that
>>>>>> method.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a problem with a sharp bit.
>>>>
>>>> I'll bow to greater skill and experience then, but I still won't be
>>>> trying it. I'm old enough to realize how easy it is to perform a
>>>> repetitive task correctly *almost* every time; but this task demands
>>>> 100%. The penalty for inattention isn't merely ruining a piece of wood,
>>>> and one of my other pursuits requires ten functional fingers.
>>> I watched the video and like some others it makes me nervous.
>>>
>>> It seems like it would be safer if there were some type of finger indent
>>> or wing on the side that would catch the finger if there were an
>>> accidental slip of the finger.
>>
>> A carbide router bit will slice through aluminum almost as easily as a
>> hard
>> wood. In fact I sometimes will use a carbide router bit on one of the
>> CNC
>> mills in a pinch of I can't find a carbide end mill that is perfect to do
>> the job. I would not trust a finger indent to protect me at all.
>> The red
>> anodized finish is slightly harder, but it still won't even slow the
>> cutter
>> down. However making something like this with a handle and/or
>> clamping rod
>> so your hand is NEVER moving directly towards the cutter would not be too
>> difficult. Sharp cutters would certainly be the ticket with any finished
>> edge.
>
>
> This jig for doing the job looks like it would be much safer:
> http://www.woodpeck.com/ottcornerjig.html
>
> Considering the number of machined and anodized parts it looks like a
> fairly reasonable price. Especially for an American manufacturer.
>
>
>
It does look better but unfortunately it was a one time tool and it may
or may not ever become available again.
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:12:19 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>That's why I made this to use in those situations, not that it makes
>that particular jig/method 100% safer, but anyone who has ever had a
>router grab a workpiece due to an edge grain issue will appreciate
>taking advantage of any extra safety edge they can get when routing:
Man, scrolling through all those jigs you have, I'm wondering how you
have time to make anything else. How do you keep track of all those
jigs?
On 11/19/2014 9:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:06:15 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Just imagine how many there would be in that collection if mobile phone
>> cameras and the world wide web had been around 50 years ago. ;)
^^^
> Poloroid instant camera circa 1960? :)
>
> I had one in 1970 ~ about five minutes for it to develop and then a
> few minutes for the sealer to work. About ten minutes time for each
> black and white picture. Not exactly mobile phone speed, but all in
> all not too bad for that era.
Yabbut, but where's the url go?
:)
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