A 'puter in your shop?

Greg G. wrote:

> YOU are not allowed to open them, however, as they are assembled in a
> clean room, and are generally referred to as sealed assemblies.

They're really hard to open too. We took one apart for the hell of it, and
it was really challenging.

For the next one that died, I came up with a neat idea though. Worried
about people recovering personal data off your crashed hard drive? Cut the
sucker in half with a metal-cutting bandsaw! :)

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:

>
> Wireless is very simple and requires less manual labor to install,
> while wires are generally faster, cheaper and more secure by default.
> If you go wireless, spend the time to properly secure the network,
> some are less than secure right out of the box.



I heard on the local news where the cops found a man sitting in his car
on a side street in a residential area naked from the waist down with a
laptop covering his privates and downloading kiddy porn from an
unsuspecting persons wireless network.

If you go wireless secure the network. If someone connects to your
network and uses it for nefarious purposes it's you their coming after.
And who needs that headache.


I'll stick with hardwire as I already have a line ran to the garage and
live in a ranch with unfinished basement.



--

Mark

N.E. Ohio


Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:47:18 GMT, Jim Laumann <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Group
>
>I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
>machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
>and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
>at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
>I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
>one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
>Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
>Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
>the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
>is to dig more trench.....
>
>Thanks

I put a "spare" in my basement shop 3 years ago, plus a printer a
neighbor gave me for installing his wireless router...

Great idea! I can look up something, print it if i need to, check
email, etc.

I used an old indestructable IBM keyboard, wrapped it in plastic wrap,
the monitor has a loose cardboard box built around it on the top,
side, & back to reduce dust infiltration, and the CPU box is inside
the small cabinet that the other parts sit on.

The printer sits nearby uncovered (need to correct that). It's full of
dust, I vacuum it before printing anything.

I stuck a cheap PCI wireless card in it, which links to my wireless
router in the 2nd floor office, I get more than enough signal strength
and access speed for anything I do in the shop.

Mike

I've been lurking here for a few months and after making my first post only
a few min. ago I feel kind of strange about posting this but this seems a
fairly flame free group. I ran a rj45 cable when the shop was built.but
wireless could be a problem
due to elec. interference and large metal equip between the computer and
ant. as far as the computer is concerned you should put a air filter at the
inlet probably at the front and blow it out weekly. I also bought a keyless
keyboard off e-bay for about $15 no problems so far.

Keith


"Jim Laumann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
> Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> is to dig more trench.....
>
> Thanks

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:47:18 GMT, Jim Laumann wrote:

> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
> Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> is to dig more trench.....
>
> Thanks

Being in the computer trade myself, I would strongly recommend making a box
that the computer would fit in and use a plexiglass front so you could see
the monitor. Have only the keyboard and mouse that exits from the box and
if you must have access to the drives, create a door that seals shut. Have
good ventilation holes with filters on them.

Now I know many of you are thinking that this sounds like a lot to protect
a computer that you really don't care about, but this isn't about the
computer, it's about protecting what's outside the computer. See a
computer processor can get really hot - 80-95 degrees Celsius. That's 176
- 203 degrees Fahrenheit. With all the fine wood dust that could get in
there, I'd hate see that computer you don't care about take eveything else
you do care about with it.

Shawn

So how many people would have their computer in the same room that they do
their finishing? What is the flash point of many solvents?

Shawn

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:01:25 -0500, Silvan wrote:

> Shawn wrote:
>
>> computer processor can get really hot - 80-95 degrees Celsius. That's 176
>> - 203 degrees Fahrenheit. With all the fine wood dust that could get in
>> there, I'd hate see that computer you don't care about take eveything else
>> you do care about with it.
>
> I don't think there's much to worry about there. Paper ignites at 454 F.
> Paper is made out of wood. I have no idea how the flash point of, say,
> walnut compares to the typical pulp pine used to make paper, but I would
> guess it's comfortably above 203 F.

Shawn said:

>A computer processor can get really hot - 80-95 degrees Celsius. That's 176
>- 203 degrees Fahrenheit. With all the fine wood dust that could get in
>there, I'd hate see that computer you don't care about take eveything else
>you do care about with it.

Hmmm.... I've been building computers for 15 years. A PIII 1gHz runs
at a steady 122 F when crunching video and ray-tracing. An old P1 75
runs a little warmer. The only CPU's I have ever seen that approach
those temps are AMDs, right before they self-destruct. Intel chips
have thermal limiter diodes and circuitry internally mounted the to
CPU die to control overtemps. Any processor that runs that hot is
subject to early failure, lockups, and is nothing I want in MY
computer system.

But by the same token, I'm with you on the covers, but they have to be
well vented to somewhere - or you end up with a box full of really hot
air and dead semiconductors. Fine dust can penetrate into hard drives
and cause failure, and a coating of dust can decrease the
semiconductors ability to dissipate heat. RAM in particular is
subject to overheating - from intermittent lockups to outright
failure.
FWIW,

Greg G.

Damn, another way to explode my shop... PVC for air lines. PVC for vac
lines. Now my computer. I might as well just become a neander. Nah.
--
Larry C in Auburn, WA

"Shawn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:47:18 GMT, Jim Laumann wrote:
>
> > Group
> >
> > I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> > machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> > and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> > at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
> >
> > I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> > one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
> >
> > Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> > Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> > the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> > is to dig more trench.....
> >
> > Thanks
>
> Being in the computer trade myself, I would strongly recommend making a
box
> that the computer would fit in and use a plexiglass front so you could see
> the monitor. Have only the keyboard and mouse that exits from the box and
> if you must have access to the drives, create a door that seals shut.
Have
> good ventilation holes with filters on them.
>
> Now I know many of you are thinking that this sounds like a lot to protect
> a computer that you really don't care about, but this isn't about the
> computer, it's about protecting what's outside the computer. See a
> computer processor can get really hot - 80-95 degrees Celsius. That's 176
> - 203 degrees Fahrenheit. With all the fine wood dust that could get in
> there, I'd hate see that computer you don't care about take eveything else
> you do care about with it.
>
> Shawn

Jim Laumann wrote:

> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?

I don't normally keep a computer in the shop but I hardwired a port from
my router to the shop. If I need access to the internet from the shop I
use my laptop.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

hamrdog wrote:

<snip>

> oh, and if i had a PC in my shop, i would cover it mainly to keep the
> harddrive from crashing from all the dust. i've seen the insides of
> computer cases with so many dust bunnies that they could've started
> their own zoo, but fine dust will kill the harddrive before you know
> it.

Hard drives are sealed and will not be not affected by dust. Keyboard,
monitor, floppy/CD drives and fans would be my concern.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

Greg, G. wrote:

> Actually, drives are NOT sealed, there is a filtered vent that is open
> to atmosphere. Otherwise the covers would bulge from the internal
> pressure generated by temperature changes and such. They DO breath.

Nope, they are hermetically sealed and filled with an inert gas. See:
http://www.wmrc.com/businessbriefing/pdf/data03_1/technology/mountop.pdf

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

Rejnold Byzio wrote:

> "Silvan" <[email protected]>:
>
>> I don't think there's much to worry about there. Paper
>> ignites at 454 F. Paper is made out of wood. I have no idea
>> how the flash point of, say, walnut compares to the typical
>> pulp pine used to make paper, but I would guess it's
>> comfortably above 203 F.
>
> Ever heard of dust explosions?

Yes, but how does that change anything? Wood dust is made of wood. Big
pieces of wood, little pieces of wood, what difference does it make what
the flash point is?

--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I guess one reason for this is because I've yet to see some moron in blue
> paint whacking on a pipe advertising an AMD CPU. :)

You have to see the whole Blue Man Group show to appreciate it. 60 second
snippets just don't convey the real deal.
Ed

Greetings and Salutations.
Many interesting suggestions here, so I thought
I would toss in one more. Consider picking up a tablet
computer. slightly older models are pretty inexpensive,
and, most of them will live happily in a dusty environment
without complaint. It is also possible to get them
"hardened" and designed for use in an industrial
environment, which, I suspect, is harder on them
than ANY home shop would be.
Regards
Dave Mundt

i know this is even further off topic, but it's a story i always love
to tell. my "every day" system (the one i'm writing this from in
fact) is an old 266 MHz PII that has the bus overclocked so it runs at
300 MHz. i never paid much attention to CPU temps, and figured this
thing is kind of old (this was several years ago) so if it melts down,
i didn't care. well one day i had the case open for some reason and
felt the heatsink on the CPU. it was so hot i literally burnt my
finger. i told a bunch of fellow computer nuts at work and they
couldn't believe it was still running. i have since added several
fans to the heatsink and case, and it now always stays cool to the
touch. other than power outages this machine has been running
steadily since 1998. i can't complain about Intel's products, that's
for sure.

oh, and if i had a PC in my shop, i would cover it mainly to keep the
harddrive from crashing from all the dust. i've seen the insides of
computer cases with so many dust bunnies that they could've started
their own zoo, but fine dust will kill the harddrive before you know
it.

andy b.


On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:03:17 -0500, Greg G. wrote:

>
>Hmmm.... I've been building computers for 15 years. A PIII 1gHz runs
>at a steady 122 F when crunching video and ray-tracing. An old P1 75
>runs a little warmer. The only CPU's I have ever seen that approach
>those temps are AMDs, right before they self-destruct. Intel chips
>have thermal limiter diodes and circuitry internally mounted the to
>CPU die to control overtemps. Any processor that runs that hot is
>subject to early failure, lockups, and is nothing I want in MY
>computer system.
>

Shawn wrote:

> computer processor can get really hot - 80-95 degrees Celsius. That's 176
> - 203 degrees Fahrenheit. With all the fine wood dust that could get in
> there, I'd hate see that computer you don't care about take eveything else
> you do care about with it.

I don't think there's much to worry about there. Paper ignites at 454 F.
Paper is made out of wood. I have no idea how the flash point of, say,
walnut compares to the typical pulp pine used to make paper, but I would
guess it's comfortably above 203 F.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Greg G. wrote:

> catering to the gaming atta-boys. Cracking cores and high temps with
> no overheat shutdown. I still have a whopping 40mHz AMD 386 system!
> <g>

Those were the days! It was so cool having the fastest computer in the
neighborhood, a whole 7 MHz faster than any of that crap Intel was
shlepping out. I had an Am80486DX2-80 too.

I'm still an AMD man today though. I bought an Intel when the Pentium came
out, because I didn't quite trust the K5 or whatever it was. I came back
with this latest purchase, and I intend to continue to buy AMDs.

I guess one reason for this is because I've yet to see some moron in blue
paint whacking on a pipe advertising an AMD CPU. :)

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

I'm sure there are people that could figure out how to steal my internet
connection, but not most neighbors. My wireless network needs a network
name and an 8 digit code I assign to the network. I have to type in the
code on all my computers. Again, I'm sure there are people that could
easily crack this, but not most people. Plus, the wireless network has a
limited range so it wouldn't reach most neighbors, maybe even none of them.
I'm not worried about it.
--
Larry C in Auburn, WA

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jim Laumann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Group
> >
> >I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> >machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> >and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> >at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
> >
> >I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> >one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
> >
> >Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> >Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> >the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> >is to dig more trench.....
> >
> >Thanks
>
> There was a thread about this a year or so ago. Wireless could be
> nice. Might want to secure it a bit so neighboors don't use it as a
> way to hack your system or as their hot spot to hijack your internet
> connection if it is a good one.
>
> I ran rj45 in conduit along with phone wiring to my garage. PVC
> conduit is relatively cheap.
>
> As far as protecting it, cleaning it out with low pressure air on a
> regular schedual does the trick for me. I wouldn't plan on using a
> floppy drive unless you run a cleaner through it. Haven't had
> problems with cd drive.
>
> I wouldn't put it on the same circuit with a tool that tends to drag
> down the 110v line too much either. Small ups if you can't avoid it
> would be good.
>
> Just do a bit of dusting and cleaning on a aggressive schedule until
> you know your situation and you will be fine.
>
> Wes
>
> --
> Reply to:
> Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Gee Tee EYE EYE dot COM
> Lycos address is a spam trap.

Shouldn't be too much of a problem. I might cover the intake fan with
a foam pad or something to keep the big pieces out. I used to work on
machines that sat in the factory floor. It would be 100+ degrees in
the summer, and cold in the winter didn't seem to bother them. Aside
from that evertime I would open one up it would be covered in dust and
metal filings, (and the occasional oil) and it didn't seem to phase
them at all. More often the network cards would fail before the
machines. Wireless has a pretty limited range, and needs to
properly secured. Basically it's a 2.4 GZ signal just like a cordless
phone, subject to all the same problems (including incompatibility
with each other). If you do wireless make sure you restrict the it
just the MAC addresses of your computers, or get real certificates and
use that for authentication onto the network. By and a large a good
deal of the cheap wireless hubs are very insecure (some can't be
secured at all). I just have cat 5 cables, and lots of holes in my
floors/walls where I ran my wires for the machines/games/etc. I
don't have one in the shop since I go there to get away from them. If
i were going to have one, I think i might go to one of the local
(used) computer stores and by an old laptop, they are very cheap now
which make it pretty portable and easy to manage. (then I might by a
wireless card for it)


[email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Jim Laumann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Group
> >
> >I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> >machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> >and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> >at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
> >
> >I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> >one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
> >
> >Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> >Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> >the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> >is to dig more trench.....
> >
> >Thanks
>
> There was a thread about this a year or so ago. Wireless could be
> nice. Might want to secure it a bit so neighboors don't use it as a
> way to hack your system or as their hot spot to hijack your internet
> connection if it is a good one.
>
> I ran rj45 in conduit along with phone wiring to my garage. PVC
> conduit is relatively cheap.
>
> As far as protecting it, cleaning it out with low pressure air on a
> regular schedual does the trick for me. I wouldn't plan on using a
> floppy drive unless you run a cleaner through it. Haven't had
> problems with cd drive.
>
> I wouldn't put it on the same circuit with a tool that tends to drag
> down the 110v line too much either. Small ups if you can't avoid it
> would be good.
>
> Just do a bit of dusting and cleaning on a aggressive schedule until
> you know your situation and you will be fine.
>
> Wes

On 2004/1/7 9:05 AM, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Jim Laumann" wrote in message
>
>> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop.
>
> My life became increasingly computer based starting in 1983, so I'm normally
> trying to get away from the damn things, and thus far I've been able to
> resist putting a computer in the shop.

I would bet that you are not more of a computer geek than I am, but that is
besides the point.

I put an extra computer located in a room adjacent to my shop and ran
extender cables for keyboard, mouse and video through the wall. Even then,
dust can be a problem so I use an optical mouse and keep a cover on the
keyboard. This is an old PC running Win XP Pro but it sits next to my home
server machine and is connected to my 100 MB home network and to a firewall
that connects via cable modem to the Internet.

And I often have a PDA in my pocket with a wireless connection.

"Jim Laumann" wrote in message

> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop.

My life became increasingly computer based starting in 1983, so I'm normally
trying to get away from the damn things, and thus far I've been able to
resist putting a computer in the shop. I do take frequent breaks and go to
the house to check e-mail and, of course, the wRECK ... which can be a big
mistake.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 1/02/04

well, actually...

your hard drive is sealed. If the seal is broken, its only a short matter
of time before the drive dies, shop or no shop.



"hamrdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> i know this is even further off topic, but it's a story i always love
> to tell. my "every day" system (the one i'm writing this from in
> fact) is an old 266 MHz PII that has the bus overclocked so it runs at
> 300 MHz. i never paid much attention to CPU temps, and figured this
> thing is kind of old (this was several years ago) so if it melts down,
> i didn't care. well one day i had the case open for some reason and
> felt the heatsink on the CPU. it was so hot i literally burnt my
> finger. i told a bunch of fellow computer nuts at work and they
> couldn't believe it was still running. i have since added several
> fans to the heatsink and case, and it now always stays cool to the
> touch. other than power outages this machine has been running
> steadily since 1998. i can't complain about Intel's products, that's
> for sure.
>
> oh, and if i had a PC in my shop, i would cover it mainly to keep the
> harddrive from crashing from all the dust. i've seen the insides of
> computer cases with so many dust bunnies that they could've started
> their own zoo, but fine dust will kill the harddrive before you know
> it.
>
> andy b.
>
>
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:03:17 -0500, Greg G. wrote:
>
> >
> >Hmmm.... I've been building computers for 15 years. A PIII 1gHz runs
> >at a steady 122 F when crunching video and ray-tracing. An old P1 75
> >runs a little warmer. The only CPU's I have ever seen that approach
> >those temps are AMDs, right before they self-destruct. Intel chips
> >have thermal limiter diodes and circuitry internally mounted the to
> >CPU die to control overtemps. Any processor that runs that hot is
> >subject to early failure, lockups, and is nothing I want in MY
> >computer system.
> >
>

Yup, got one in the garage and one in the shop. Connected to the main server
in the house via fiber optic cable. Got a Cisco 2950 in both garage and
house. That's what I do for a living, so why not?

--
"Cartoons don't have any deep meaning.
They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh."
Homer Simpson
Jerry© The Phoneman®
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jim Laumann wrote:
>
> > Group
> >
> > I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> > machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> > and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> > at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
> >
> > I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> > one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
> I don't normally keep a computer in the shop but I hardwired a port from
> my router to the shop. If I need access to the internet from the shop I
> use my laptop.
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
>
>

Would a keyless keyboard work well with the 512Meg write only memory (WOM)
chip set that Santa left?

DexAZ

"David Babcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:VUTKb.81035$I07.405728@attbi_s53...
> "keyless keyboard"..........saves on typing I suppose eh Keith<grin>
>
> Dave
>
> "Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I've been lurking here for a few months and after making my first post
> only
> > a few min. ago I feel kind of strange about posting this but this seems
a
> > fairly flame free group. I ran a rj45 cable when the shop was built.but
> > wireless could be a problem
> > due to elec. interference and large metal equip between the computer and
> > ant. as far as the computer is concerned you should put a air filter at
> the
> > inlet probably at the front and blow it out weekly. I also bought a
> keyless
> > keyboard off e-bay for about $15 no problems so far.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > "Jim Laumann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Group
> > >
> > > I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> > > machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> > > and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> > > at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
> > >
> > > I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> > > one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
> > >
> > > Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> > > Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> > > the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> > > is to dig more trench.....
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> >
>
>

You do not want sawdust accumulating in your monitor.
They do get fairly hot, AND there are big voltages to be found there.
Further, dust accumulation will increase heat.
Additionally, the number one cause of monitor failure is cracked solder
joints, because manufacturers can not solder monitors correctly (it would
drive the cost up). These cracked, or weakened joints, can produce very
high heat, sparks, and outright fire. Combine that with some MDF dust, and
you have real fun.




"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was going to agree but then I remembered that none of my light
> fixtures or light switches or electrical outlets are explosion proof.
> So, I guess I wouldn't wory about it although I do not think I would
> because of other reasons. All those solvent fumes can't be good for
> all the little contacts and exposed boards, wires, circuits, etc..
> Wonder how hot a monitor gets?
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:17:24 -0800, Shawn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >So how many people would have their computer in the same room that they
do
> >their finishing? What is the flash point of many solvents?
> >
> >Shawn
> >
> >On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:01:25 -0500, Silvan wrote:
> >
> >> Shawn wrote:
> >>
> >>> computer processor can get really hot - 80-95 degrees Celsius. That's
176
> >>> - 203 degrees Fahrenheit. With all the fine wood dust that could get
in
> >>> there, I'd hate see that computer you don't care about take eveything
else
> >>> you do care about with it.
> >>
> >> I don't think there's much to worry about there. Paper ignites at 454
F.
> >> Paper is made out of wood. I have no idea how the flash point of, say,
> >> walnut compares to the typical pulp pine used to make paper, but I
would
> >> guess it's comfortably above 203 F.
>

<Greg G.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Actually, drives are NOT sealed, there is a filtered vent that is open
> to atmosphere. Otherwise the covers would bulge from the internal
> pressure generated by temperature changes and such. They DO breath.
>
> YOU are not allowed to open them, however, as they are assembled in a
> clean room, and are generally referred to as sealed assemblies.

I open up dead ones all the time - they have some cool magnets inside 'em!
:þ

Aint that the truth!!!


--
"Cartoons don't have any deep meaning.
They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh."
Homer Simpson
Jerry© The Phoneman®
<Greg G.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Shawn said:
>
> >A computer processor can get really hot - 80-95 degrees Celsius. That's
176
> >- 203 degrees Fahrenheit. With all the fine wood dust that could get in
> >there, I'd hate see that computer you don't care about take eveything
else
> >you do care about with it.
>
> Hmmm.... I've been building computers for 15 years. A PIII 1gHz runs
> at a steady 122 F when crunching video and ray-tracing. An old P1 75
> runs a little warmer. The only CPU's I have ever seen that approach
> those temps are AMDs, right before they self-destruct. Intel chips
> have thermal limiter diodes and circuitry internally mounted the to
> CPU die to control overtemps. Any processor that runs that hot is
> subject to early failure, lockups, and is nothing I want in MY
> computer system.
>
> But by the same token, I'm with you on the covers, but they have to be
> well vented to somewhere - or you end up with a box full of really hot
> air and dead semiconductors. Fine dust can penetrate into hard drives
> and cause failure, and a coating of dust can decrease the
> semiconductors ability to dissipate heat. RAM in particular is
> subject to overheating - from intermittent lockups to outright
> failure.
> FWIW,
>
> Greg G.

Jim,
I have had a computer in my shop for years,
Yes i do have a separate office but you should see the sawdust creep in ito
it and every now and then i take the air hose in the office and Blow the 3"
of sawdust out of the Box, and surrounding area, actually i just keep the
box cover off of it,
what you hear about dust and dirt messing a computer is a bunch of crap
What it will mess up is a printer
Good luck,
George
"Jim Laumann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
> Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> is to dig more trench.....
>
> Thanks

"Jim Laumann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
> Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> is to dig more trench.....

Keep in mind that computers like it cold! The colder it is, the better it
will run (as long as condensation doesn't come into play). Maybe you could
rig up the box outside, or in a remote corner of the shop, then run extended
KVM cables to your work area. Or use wireless keyboard/mouse and replace
batteries every so often.

If you cover up or enclose the system, make sure it has plenty of
ventilation or don't run it for very long. A typical 1Ghz computer can put
off almost as much heat as a person. If it's an old 300Mhz or smaller
system, I wouldn't worry too much about the heat (except from the monitor).

Put a good computer fan in the lower front of the case, the larger the
better (I use 120mm fans). Then put a good filter around the fan inlet to
filter dust, etc. to keep it from getting in the computer. You can also put
an exhaust fan on the computer, but try to keep positive air pressure in the
case. That way, you filter incoming air, and air leaking out of all of the
small cracks around the case will tend to take dust out with it, rather than
sucking it into the case.

You can probably blow the dust out of the case with some light air pressure,
but don't use a vacuum cleaner. Vacuum cleaners tend to create lotsa static
electricity that can quickly fry your system.

RJ45 cable is not too expensive, particularly if you 'roll-yer-own'. We've
got a computer networked w/ about 100ft. cable, and it surfs just fine.
Wireless may be easier, but can be affected by home wiring and other
interference. Wireless should also be secured (unless you download mp3
files - that way, when RIAA comes after you, you can blame it on the people
in your driveway using your WAN). Another advantage of wireless is that it
may be easier/cheaper to connect multiple computers to the internet,
depending on your ISP's policies.

"keyless keyboard"..........saves on typing I suppose eh Keith<grin>

Dave

"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been lurking here for a few months and after making my first post
only
> a few min. ago I feel kind of strange about posting this but this seems a
> fairly flame free group. I ran a rj45 cable when the shop was built.but
> wireless could be a problem
> due to elec. interference and large metal equip between the computer and
> ant. as far as the computer is concerned you should put a air filter at
the
> inlet probably at the front and blow it out weekly. I also bought a
keyless
> keyboard off e-bay for about $15 no problems so far.
>
> Keith
>
>
> "Jim Laumann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Group
> >
> > I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> > machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> > and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> > at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
> >
> > I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> > one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
> >
> > Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> > Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> > the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> > is to dig more trench.....
> >
> > Thanks
>
>

I did the same with an extra computer. I have it connected to my main
computer via a wireless hub/modem/thingy. I don't worry about dust since it
was an extra computer anyway. So far I haven't had any problem with it
after 5-6 months. I did buy a flat monitor for $180 at Best Buy to replace
the big monitor I had. That way the monitor sits flush against the wall at
the end of my workbench. When I think about it I'll pick up a wireless
keyboard and mouse.

I like it because I have two main computers and two teenagers so this gives
me a dedicated machine for myself. It's also nice if I want to look at
projects, jigs, pictures, etc in my shop.

If it's an extra I'd vote to put it in your shop. Now, if you had to go
spend $500 to buy one for out there I'd suggest there might be better uses
of the money unless you do project drawings on it then I'd think you might
want one even if you had to go buy it. In your case it's a no-brainer.
--
Larry C in Auburn, WA

"Jim Laumann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
> Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> is to dig more trench.....
>
> Thanks

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:05:18 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Jim Laumann" wrote in message
>
>> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop.
>
>My life became increasingly computer based starting in 1983, so I'm normally
>trying to get away from the damn things, and thus far I've been able to
>resist putting a computer in the shop. I do take frequent breaks and go to
>the house to check e-mail and, of course, the wRECK ... which can be a big
>mistake.


tell meabout it.......

<Greg G.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> mrdancer said:
>
> >AMD's newer chips are starting to run "Cool & Quiet". They have the
ability
> >to adjust the multiplier setting to meet the demands of the system. For
> >example, a 2200Mhz chip that runs at 11X200Mhz can be stepped down to
> >4x200Mhz (800Mhz), and cranked back up depending on needs, and it is all
> >automatic. Just tell your motherboard manufacturers to get on the ball
and
> >offer up the utility setting in their BIOS.
> >See http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040106/athlon64_3400-02.html
>
> Yea, I love Tom's Hardware Corner - even have a link on my web site.
> I haven't kept up with this stuff much lately, 'cause there ain't no
> money in it anymore. I'm not anti-AMD, I just think the flaming
> Athelon CPUs they made the last couple of years were a bad idea,
> catering to the gaming atta-boys. Cracking cores and high temps with
> no overheat shutdown. I still have a whopping 40mHz AMD 386 system!
> <g>

Well, I'm not a gamer, but I'm running a 1400 T-bird in one system and a
2500 Barton in the other. I just build systems around AMD because they are
significantly less expensive for what you get out of them. For example, I'm
running my Barton 2500 (1.83Ghz) at the equivalent of a P4 3.2Ghz. My CPU
cost $85 whereas the equivalent P4 cost $397. <g>

Both AMD and Intel have their good points and bad points. It would be a sad
world if either one of them left the game, though.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Being in the computer trade myself, I would strongly recommend making a box
> that the computer would fit in and use a plexiglass front so you could see
> the monitor. Have only the keyboard and mouse that exits from the box and
> if you must have access to the drives, create a door that seals shut. Have
> good ventilation holes with filters on them.
>
I'd say go for a rack-mounted industrial chassis. Last time I looked,
JDR had them at a fairly reasonable price. I've used similar in an
aluminum rolling mill and smelter. Of course, there was so much
electricity used in the smelter that we had to put the whole thing in a
Faraday cage :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

y'know, I had the very same reaction and almost posted the same thing,
then I thought about dust building up on the drive's controller pcb
and realized he might be right after all, though maybe not the way he
meant it



On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 03:15:49 GMT, "Fatty Mcgee"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>well, actually...
>
>your hard drive is sealed. If the seal is broken, its only a short matter
>of time before the drive dies, shop or no shop.
>
>
>
>"hamrdog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> i know this is even further off topic, but it's a story i always love
>> to tell. my "every day" system (the one i'm writing this from in
>> fact) is an old 266 MHz PII that has the bus overclocked so it runs at
>> 300 MHz. i never paid much attention to CPU temps, and figured this
>> thing is kind of old (this was several years ago) so if it melts down,
>> i didn't care. well one day i had the case open for some reason and
>> felt the heatsink on the CPU. it was so hot i literally burnt my
>> finger. i told a bunch of fellow computer nuts at work and they
>> couldn't believe it was still running. i have since added several
>> fans to the heatsink and case, and it now always stays cool to the
>> touch. other than power outages this machine has been running
>> steadily since 1998. i can't complain about Intel's products, that's
>> for sure.
>>
>> oh, and if i had a PC in my shop, i would cover it mainly to keep the
>> harddrive from crashing from all the dust. i've seen the insides of
>> computer cases with so many dust bunnies that they could've started
>> their own zoo, but fine dust will kill the harddrive before you know
>> it.
>>
>> andy b.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:03:17 -0500, Greg G. wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Hmmm.... I've been building computers for 15 years. A PIII 1gHz runs
>> >at a steady 122 F when crunching video and ray-tracing. An old P1 75
>> >runs a little warmer. The only CPU's I have ever seen that approach
>> >those temps are AMDs, right before they self-destruct. Intel chips
>> >have thermal limiter diodes and circuitry internally mounted the to
>> >CPU die to control overtemps. Any processor that runs that hot is
>> >subject to early failure, lockups, and is nothing I want in MY
>> >computer system.
>> >
>>
>

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

You bet makes a nice addition. I built a PC out of a rack mount server
case that measures 1.25"x19"x24" it's designed for front to back air
circulation so it's easy to filter the air (old knee high stocking
from swmbo) mounted it on it's side in the back of a wall cabinet
added a cheap flat screen monitor and a shop built keyboard/mouse
tray. Whole thing closes up really nice and out of the way. It looks
odd in the shop as I mounted it for a convenient height for my
favorite stool. Secured wireless to the house from inside the cabinet
degrades the 11 Mbps signal to about 70% ( 100' to the access point in
the house) so the network is fine. I'll try to follow up with a photo
on the website.

SL

"Silvan" <[email protected]>:

> I don't think there's much to worry about there. Paper
> ignites at 454 F. Paper is made out of wood. I have no idea
> how the flash point of, say, walnut compares to the typical
> pulp pine used to make paper, but I would guess it's
> comfortably above 203 F.

Ever heard of dust explosions?

Fatty Mcgee said:

>well, actually...
>
>your hard drive is sealed. If the seal is broken, its only a short matter
>of time before the drive dies, shop or no shop.

Actually, drives are NOT sealed, there is a filtered vent that is open
to atmosphere. Otherwise the covers would bulge from the internal
pressure generated by temperature changes and such. They DO breath.

YOU are not allowed to open them, however, as they are assembled in a
clean room, and are generally referred to as sealed assemblies.


Greg G.

mrdancer said:

><Greg G.> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Actually, drives are NOT sealed, there is a filtered vent that is open
>> to atmosphere. Otherwise the covers would bulge from the internal
>> pressure generated by temperature changes and such. They DO breath.
>>
>> YOU are not allowed to open them, however, as they are assembled in a
>> clean room, and are generally referred to as sealed assemblies.
>
>I open up dead ones all the time - they have some cool magnets inside 'em!
>:þ

Everyone's a comedian... You are not allowed to open working drives
that might be sent back for warranty repairs or those that you want to
remain working. <g>
Yea, there is some interesting hardware inside. I have stacks of dead
hard and floppy drives. Used to repair computers for Forcecom /
military. I use the stepper motors, rails, and magnets in projects.


Greg G.

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:11:52 GMT, "effinperfectionist"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>You do not want sawdust accumulating in your monitor.

If you don't have a compressor then buy compressed air in a can.
The big cans are about $5 at your local TV repair shop and last months.
I use it once or twice a week.

I've had a computer in my shop for years.
17inch monitor for the last year with no cover at all.
Cordless Logitech keyboard wrapped in Handiwrap. 5 years old.
Plain old ball mouse also cordless. I have the mouse pad in a big glad freezer
bag. I just stick my hand in the bag to use the mouse.

I have zero problems and the computer runs 24/7.

>They do get fairly hot, AND there are big voltages to be found there.
>Further, dust accumulation will increase heat.
>Additionally, the number one cause of monitor failure is cracked solder
>joints, because manufacturers can not solder monitors correctly (it would
>drive the cost up). These cracked, or weakened joints, can produce very
>high heat, sparks, and outright fire. Combine that with some MDF dust, and
>you have real fun.
>
>
>
>
>"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I was going to agree but then I remembered that none of my light
>> fixtures or light switches or electrical outlets are explosion proof.
>> So, I guess I wouldn't wory about it although I do not think I would
>> because of other reasons. All those solvent fumes can't be good for
>> all the little contacts and exposed boards, wires, circuits, etc..
>> Wonder how hot a monitor gets?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:17:24 -0800, Shawn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >So how many people would have their computer in the same room that they
>do
>> >their finishing? What is the flash point of many solvents?
>> >
>> >Shawn
>> >
>> >On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:01:25 -0500, Silvan wrote:
>> >
>> >> Shawn wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> computer processor can get really hot - 80-95 degrees Celsius. That's
>176
>> >>> - 203 degrees Fahrenheit. With all the fine wood dust that could get
>in
>> >>> there, I'd hate see that computer you don't care about take eveything
>else
>> >>> you do care about with it.
>> >>
>> >> I don't think there's much to worry about there. Paper ignites at 454
>F.
>> >> Paper is made out of wood. I have no idea how the flash point of, say,
>> >> walnut compares to the typical pulp pine used to make paper, but I
>would
>> >> guess it's comfortably above 203 F.
>>
>

I was going to agree but then I remembered that none of my light
fixtures or light switches or electrical outlets are explosion proof.
So, I guess I wouldn't wory about it although I do not think I would
because of other reasons. All those solvent fumes can't be good for
all the little contacts and exposed boards, wires, circuits, etc..
Wonder how hot a monitor gets?


On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:17:24 -0800, Shawn <[email protected]> wrote:

>So how many people would have their computer in the same room that they do
>their finishing? What is the flash point of many solvents?
>
>Shawn
>
>On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:01:25 -0500, Silvan wrote:
>
>> Shawn wrote:
>>
>>> computer processor can get really hot - 80-95 degrees Celsius. That's 176
>>> - 203 degrees Fahrenheit. With all the fine wood dust that could get in
>>> there, I'd hate see that computer you don't care about take eveything else
>>> you do care about with it.
>>
>> I don't think there's much to worry about there. Paper ignites at 454 F.
>> Paper is made out of wood. I have no idea how the flash point of, say,
>> walnut compares to the typical pulp pine used to make paper, but I would
>> guess it's comfortably above 203 F.

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:13:34 GMT, "James D Kountz"
<[email protected]> wrote:

<SNIP>
> "Error #BR549 Joint Not Found".
>
>Jim
>
>
Is that you, Junior?
<SNIP>
Mike

Jim Laumann wrote:

> Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> is to dig more trench.....

Wireless stuff might be cheaper now than the last time I looked at it. If
it's still expensive, a 100' pre-made CAT5 (?) cable goes for about $25
locally. If that's enough of a reach, you could just run it through the
yard to your shop. Grass will grow over it, and your mower won't pick it
up. Replace as needed. Save digging. :)

(No, I haven't tried this. I did power my shop with extension cords laying
on the ground for years though. I never managed to cut any of them.)

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

"Jim Laumann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older

Funny - but that's why I go into the shop - to get away from the damned
thing.


>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?

Brother's a pro cabinet maker. I thought dust would be a problem, but it
hasn't been for his PC. I opened up the case once and the board was covered
in dust, but it was working fine.

>
> Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?

Wired.

"Jim Laumann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
> Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> is to dig more trench.....
>
> Thanks
I have a friend who builds liquid cooled pc's for high end engineering and
graphics firms. Tried to get him to let me borrow one, he told me I could if
he could borrow $4000 dollars.

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:47:18 GMT, Jim Laumann <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Group
>
>I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
>machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
>and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
>at some point - for email, surfing, etc.

Yup! Very handy for Googling for a technique or ideas, and for
streaming archived radio shows into the shop.

>I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
>one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?

A simple cloth cover, I don't leave it running all the time, so the
cover will keep most dust out of it. I'm not all that concerned, no
data is stored on it and it's a cheapie, so if it croaks, so be it.
I have a DC and air filtration system, so my shop is relatively clean
in the first place. The computer is also located at the farthest
point possible from the major dust producers.

>Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?

A wired connection back to my DSL router on the second floor of my
home. The shop machine can print to the office, and all data is
stored on our main machine and accessed remotely from the rest of the
network. The DSL router has a built-in hardware firewall, and all
machines run full versions of Zone Alarm and anti-virus software. I
have 5 machines networked up, and it's awesome.

A side benefit to the network is that you can backup critical data to
other machines, and share printers, scanners, camera connections,
etc...

Wireless is very simple and requires less manual labor to install,
while wires are generally faster, cheaper and more secure by default.
If you go wireless, spend the time to properly secure the network,
some are less than secure right out of the box.

Barry

Nova said:

>Greg, G. wrote:
>
>> Actually, drives are NOT sealed, there is a filtered vent that is open
>> to atmosphere. Otherwise the covers would bulge from the internal
>> pressure generated by temperature changes and such. They DO breath.
>
>Nope, they are hermetically sealed and filled with an inert gas. See:
> http://www.wmrc.com/businessbriefing/pdf/data03_1/technology/mountop.pdf

No, they are NOT sealed. Particularly the older drives this thread is
referring to. Perhaps you should read your own posted PDF. <g>
To quote from page 2, top:

"While some OEMs tout magnetic hard disc technology as ‘sealed’, it is
sealed from a contamination perspective, but not sealed from
a humidity perspective. Air is allowed to exchange through a breather
filter to accommodate pressure changes due to thermal and atmospheric
pressure variations."

The PDF you refer to is for a specific vendor's new line of
particularly high-end ($$) drives, not the common $100 hard drive
found in your 5 year old PC. Additionally, I have disassembled dozens
of these things for data recovery and disposal, in addition to using
parts from the internals. So far, they have ALL been vented.

Not to be difficult...


Greg G.

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:47:18 +0000, Jim Laumann wrote:

> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
> Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> is to dig more trench.....
>
> Thanks

Decide if you want to play on the computer or do woodworking. Dust, dirt
and grime do not make a computer happy. Unless you are using it for
process control, it is better off kept in a clean working environment.

hamrdog wrote:

> fact) is an old 266 MHz PII that has the bus overclocked so it runs at
> 300 MHz. i never paid much attention to CPU temps, and figured this
> thing is kind of old (this was several years ago) so if it melts down,
> i didn't care. well one day i had the case open for some reason and

I got gypped. I have an old, original (non-MMX) Pentium 166 in a mobo that
can run the CPU at up to 200 MHz. I figured I'd give that a shot, so I
cranked it up. It wouldn't boot. I tried some in between speed too, maybe
180 MHz or so, and had the same result. So it's still running at 166.

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mrdancer said:

>AMD's newer chips are starting to run "Cool & Quiet". They have the ability
>to adjust the multiplier setting to meet the demands of the system. For
>example, a 2200Mhz chip that runs at 11X200Mhz can be stepped down to
>4x200Mhz (800Mhz), and cranked back up depending on needs, and it is all
>automatic. Just tell your motherboard manufacturers to get on the ball and
>offer up the utility setting in their BIOS.
>See http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040106/athlon64_3400-02.html

Yea, I love Tom's Hardware Corner - even have a link on my web site.
I haven't kept up with this stuff much lately, 'cause there ain't no
money in it anymore. I'm not anti-AMD, I just think the flaming
Athelon CPUs they made the last couple of years were a bad idea,
catering to the gaming atta-boys. Cracking cores and high temps with
no overheat shutdown. I still have a whopping 40mHz AMD 386 system!
<g>


Greg G.

Jim Laumann <[email protected]> wrote:

>Group
>
>I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
>machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
>and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
>at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
>I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
>one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
>Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
>Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
>the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
>is to dig more trench.....
>
>Thanks

There was a thread about this a year or so ago. Wireless could be
nice. Might want to secure it a bit so neighboors don't use it as a
way to hack your system or as their hot spot to hijack your internet
connection if it is a good one.

I ran rj45 in conduit along with phone wiring to my garage. PVC
conduit is relatively cheap.

As far as protecting it, cleaning it out with low pressure air on a
regular schedual does the trick for me. I wouldn't plan on using a
floppy drive unless you run a cleaner through it. Haven't had
problems with cd drive.

I wouldn't put it on the same circuit with a tool that tends to drag
down the 110v line too much either. Small ups if you can't avoid it
would be good.

Just do a bit of dusting and cleaning on a aggressive schedule until
you know your situation and you will be fine.

Wes

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"Jim Laumann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
> Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> is to dig more trench.....
>
> Thanks

My server is right outside the door to my shop, but like most tinkerers, you
gotta have the toys, so I wanted a pc in the shop. Ran a cat5 cable out to
the shop off the router, dropped an old Pentium with wireless mouse and
keyboard, shared all the resources. Being an old techie I was able to
"borrow" an acoustic cabinet with three fans on the back, but I still only
power it up when I need to look something up.

Dave

I tried putting a PC in the shop but couldnt figure for the life of me where
the hell the dust collector port is on my computer. Also most if not all of
my shop made jigs were useless on it. I tried cutting some tenons on my
keyboard with a router jig and all I got was "Error #BR549 Joint Not Found".

Jim


"Jim Laumann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
> Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> is to dig more trench.....
>
> Thanks

One idea that isn't used much for networking these days, but could probably
work in this situation, is infra-red.

You would have to buy a transmitter/receiver pair, but I don't think they
would be that expensive. As long as you have line of sight, you should be
fine. I suppose someone could pop into your yard and jump into your
network, but I don't think there are that many infra-red wardrivers out
there.

Also, for the Keyboard, there is a company that makes overlays for most
brands. Oh, and get a wireless mouse for obvious reasons. the computer case
could pretty much be sealed into a box with some filter padding. Not sure
exactly what you could do about the monitor, though.

Rosco

"Jim Laumann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Group
>
> I'm wondering about having a computer in my shop. I've got a older
> machine that is sitting around doing nothing - and its long paid for,
> and of no value to anyone. So I'm thinking of putting in the shop
> at some point - for email, surfing, etc.
>
> I'd like to know what you've done to "protect" yours if you've got
> one out there - ie - seperate room, dust covers etc?
>
> Also - what kind of connection to the net do you have - if any?
> Am toying with a wireless ethernet card to talk to the router in
> the house, once our high speed access is installed. The alternative
> is to dig more trench.....
>
> Thanks

Lawrence A. Ramsey wrote:
>
> Wonder how hot a monitor gets?
>

I would guess just as hot of alt.sex.binary.(whatever your
perversion) group you frequent.




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When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure
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<Greg G.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Shawn said:
>
> >A computer processor can get really hot - 80-95 degrees Celsius. That's
176
> >- 203 degrees Fahrenheit. With all the fine wood dust that could get in
> >there, I'd hate see that computer you don't care about take eveything
else
> >you do care about with it.
>
> Hmmm.... I've been building computers for 15 years. A PIII 1gHz runs
> at a steady 122 F when crunching video and ray-tracing. An old P1 75
> runs a little warmer. The only CPU's I have ever seen that approach
> those temps are AMDs, right before they self-destruct. Intel chips
> have thermal limiter diodes and circuitry internally mounted the to
> CPU die to control overtemps. Any processor that runs that hot is
> subject to early failure, lockups, and is nothing I want in MY
> computer system.

AMD's newer chips are starting to run "Cool & Quiet". They have the ability
to adjust the multiplier setting to meet the demands of the system. For
example, a 2200Mhz chip that runs at 11X200Mhz can be stepped down to
4x200Mhz (800Mhz), and cranked back up depending on needs, and it is all
automatic. Just tell your motherboard manufacturers to get on the ball and
offer up the utility setting in their BIOS.
See http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040106/athlon64_3400-02.html