There used to be a time when I could work hard all day then go out and
party. I just finished building a deck, it's only 1.8m x 4m with steps and
around 500 ring shank nails, but I feel like a herd of cattle have been over
my knees, thighs and lower back. I don't think I could handle even a
Tupperware party. Getting older is good in some respects, but not this one,
definitely not this one.
Greg
Hi Folks,
Everett M. Greene wrote:
> Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> writes:
>>I helped Jr. tile his kitchen and dining room. He'd take the
>>measurements, and I'd run outside squat down in front of the wet saw on
>>the ground and do the cuts. Next day, I discovered you really do have
>>butt muscles.
>
> And if you do the tile laying, then back muscles, arm muscles,
> leg muscles, and sore knees are all telling you that they don't
> care for that kind of thing!
Just one suggestion, though you might find it a bit strange. If
you want to overcome the negative effects, regardless of age, of such
activities, get yourself a good book on stretching and do about fifteen
to thirty minutes after warming up and before calling it a day....you
can do this while listening to music or watching the idiot box if you
like. I recommend the book by Aaron Mattes, but Bob Anderson's is not
too bad either. It really does work, as I can attest. I'm both a
learning woodworker, a fulltime software designer and so forth. If I
do the stretching as above, I feel much better afterwards and I am also
well advanced into middle age so I understand the factors. I've done
all the tilework I ever want to do and what Everett said has a real
ring of truth to it.....stretch, you'll be glad you did.
Stretching by Bob Anderson ISBN: 0936070226
Specific Stretching for Everyone by Aaron L. Mattes
available at www.stretchingusa.com
Respectfully,
JCrowe
Thu, Jan 8, 2004, 9:54am (EST-1) [email protected] (Joseph=A0Crowe) claims:
<snip>=A0=A0Just one suggestion, though you might find it a bit strange.
If you want to overcome the negative effects, regardless of age, of such
activities, get yourself a good book on stretching <snip>
I've got an even better suggestion. When you get to be my age, if
someone asks you to do work like that, be very impolite in telling them
no. No prob.
JOAT
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Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> writes:
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 07:56:21 +0000, Groggy wrote:
>
> > There used to be a time when I could work hard all day then go out and
> > party. I just finished building a deck, it's only 1.8m x 4m with steps and
> > around 500 ring shank nails, but I feel like a herd of cattle have been over
> > my knees, thighs and lower back. I don't think I could handle even a
> > Tupperware party. Getting older is good in some respects, but not this one,
> > definitely not this one.
>
> I helped Jr. tile his kitchen and dining room. He'd take the
> measurements, and I'd run outside squat down in front of the wet saw on
> the ground and do the cuts. Next day, I discovered you really do have
> butt muscles.
And if you do the tile laying, then back muscles, arm muscles,
leg muscles, and sore knees are all telling you that they don't
care for that kind of thing!
Wed, Jan 7, 2004, 7:56am (EST+5) [email protected] (Groggy) claims:
There used to be a time when I could work <snip>
I don't feel like I'm old, but I must've been issued sub-standard
parts, because my joints are pretty well shot. Not possible I could
have abused them. LOL
Used to be, I could carry two, 100 lb sacks of cattle feed, at
once. Or, take a 45 lb concrete block, in each hand, and lift each to
shoulder height, straight out from my sides. Used to be able to crack
walnuts, with one hand. Now, I probably couldn't do an honest day's
work, in less than a month. Been on disability for joints, and
headache, since '96.
JOAT
Don't e-mail me while I'm breathing.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 9 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
JOAT writes:
> Used to be, I could carry two, 100 lb sacks of cattle feed, at
>once. Or, take a 45 lb concrete block, in each hand, and lift each to
>shoulder height, straight out from my sides. Used to be able to crack
>walnuts, with one hand. Now, I probably couldn't do an honest day's
>work, in less than a month. Been on disability for joints, and
>headache, since '96.
>
Reminds me of many years ago, old carpenter I worked for. By old, I was about
18, maybe 19, he was 70 or spitting at it. I tried keeping up with him, but
there was simply no way I could put a bundle of shingles on each shoulder and
RUN up a 40' ladder (unless only one section was used: then I had a shot at
it). He was driving nails in 2x6 collar ties in a barn we built with one tap to
set and aim and one blow after. Took me a bit to realize he was not using a 16
ounce hammer, though. Ah, the joys of youth.
I never considered how ol' Arthur ran in our family, so I did lots of things
like jumping a motorcycle (we wan't talk about getting spit off from time to
time, because that wasn't usually a problem unless I high-sided and the bike
rolled over me. That tended to smart). Now, both knees are total wrecks even
after 1 surgery on the left, 2 on the right.
Ah well. It would have been less fun without the excesses.
Charlie Self
If God had wanted me to touch my toes he would have put them higher on my body.
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Fri, Jan 9, 2004, 9:11pm (EST+5) [email protected]
(Charlie=A0Self) says:
<snip> Ah well. It would have been less fun without the excesses.
True, true. But, if I'd known then, what I know now, I'd of
changed a few of the excesses. LMAO
JOAT
Don't e-mail me while I'm breathing.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 9 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
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Timothy Drouillard wrote:
> We had several local Thai carpenters helping us. It was funny to see
> your average american trying to drive the nails using the biggest
> hammer he could find with no luck, but then the Thai would walk up
> (all 4'10" 90lbs of him), pull out his hammer wich seemd to be maybe
> a 10oz framing type hammer, and tap, tap, tap, the nail was all the
> way in. No pilot holes, no soaping the nails or anything.
A trick I learned from my uncle is to hold the middle of the nail or spike
firmly with a pair of pliers. Helps dampen the flex which leads to bending.
I grew up on a ranch & used the technique a lot on corrals, sheds, etc.
Even with pilot holes driving spikes into PT posts can be a challenge.
-- Mark
Back in the mid-70's I was working in Thailand, when the site I was at was
being shut down. All of us, no matter what our normal job was, were put to
work crateing everthing up.
Seems that IIRC, the plywood was mahogny, and the 2x4's etc were something
called ironwood.
non of us americans could drive a nail through that ironwood without using
piolt holes, lubrication, etc, . Typically, we would try a standard framing
type hammer, and the nails would just bend right over.
Typically american solution, get a bigger hammer. Nope.... same thing.
We had several local Thai carpenters helping us. It was funny to see your
average american trying to drive the nails using the biggest hammer he could
find with no luck, but then the Thai would walk up (all 4'10" 90lbs of him),
pull out his hammer wich seemd to be maybe a 10oz framing type hammer, and
tap, tap, tap, the nail was all the way in. No pilot holes, no soaping the
nails or anything.
We did happen to notice that althought the Thai's hammer seemd to have a
smaller head on it than a standard hammer, the handle was a couple of inches
longer.
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > had a shot at it). He was driving nails in 2x6 collar ties in a barn we
> > built with one tap to set and aim and one blow after. Took me a bit to
> > realize he was not using a 16 ounce hammer, though. Ah, the joys of
youth.
>
> I can do that. I put down new sub floor with 2" ring shank nails. Drove
a
> couple thousand of them. I got good at that trick. Aim is everything.
>
> I finally caved in and bought a bigger hammer though. A 22-oz. Estwing I
> think. (Estwing for sure. 22-oz. maybe not.)
>
> --
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> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
Charlie Self wrote:
> had a shot at it). He was driving nails in 2x6 collar ties in a barn we
> built with one tap to set and aim and one blow after. Took me a bit to
> realize he was not using a 16 ounce hammer, though. Ah, the joys of youth.
I can do that. I put down new sub floor with 2" ring shank nails. Drove a
couple thousand of them. I got good at that trick. Aim is everything.
I finally caved in and bought a bigger hammer though. A 22-oz. Estwing I
think. (Estwing for sure. 22-oz. maybe not.)
--
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Mark Jerde wrote:
> I'll do this if I think the stuff in the car is visible & too tempting.
> Twice stuff has been "liberated." Once was a company parking lot, the
> other in front of house, and I've no desire for a third.
Well, we try to keep stuff in the trunk. If I had my brand new Unisaw in
the back seat, I'd probably drive too. :)
>> It's funny when we go out together. The kids and I walk from
>> store to store, while she drives.
>
> Who usually gets there first?
That isn't the point really. She could really stand to get some exercise.
She's overweight and severely underactive to the point where it's really
starting to worry me.
She's the only friend I have in the world, Mark. What am I going to do
without her?
--
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Larry Jaques wrote:
>>Speaking of which, I did good today. :) Instead of pizza, I had two
>>slices of bread, four carrots, an orange, an apple, and a couple handfuls
>>of assorted nuts.
>
> A single handful of nuts = 3,000ish calories, so don't fool
> yourself into thinking you did well, dude. That processed
Nah, you're full of shit on that score Monsieur Jacques. STFW and see how
many calories and stuff hazle nuts, pecans, almonds and walnuts have.
The highest is 200 calories per 1/4 cup. I can get maybe half a cup of nuts
in my hand, tops. That's only 400 calories. So nyah!
Very little saturated fat too.
I should stock up on these things if they're still available. They're
probably not though. Nuts are a limited window thing.
> bread probably wan't too good for you, either. Try a better
> balanced salad next time and forgo the extra carbs.
Salad... Well, by the time I pick out all the stuff I won't eat from a
salad, I'm left with carrots, so what's the point? (I like cucumber too,
but if I eat one slice of cucumber, I blow noxious fumes out both ends for
six hours.)
Vegetables are a real problem for me. Their taste ranges from unappealing
(lettuce, which tastes like dirty paper covered with ear wax) to foul (bell
peppers and broccoli, which taste like hearing aid batteries covered with
ear wax) to poisonous (onions, which taste like spit it out spit it out
spit it out).
Even carrots frequently taste like ear wax. Finding good carrots is
difficult, since they all look the same on the outside. Baby carrots are a
safer bet than full-grown carrots.
Anyway, I'd probably be dead without fruit. I can eat almost everything,
though I mostly limit myself to granny smith apples and seedless white
grapes.
As far as bread, anybody telling me not to eat bread is barking up the wrong
tree. At least this bread wasn't dripping with melted cheese and orange
grease.
> My sister is helping me to start eating more "live" foods
> and I feel a lot better for it.
Hey, you can top everything with shellac too. That's the live food that's a
beverage too.
--
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A friend tells me that that is a good thing. If you wake up and don't
hurt all over, you probably are dead....
-Bruce
jo4hn wrote:
>
> I'm 64 and will start doing the Medicare dance in another couple months.
> I get up at 5 am to the sound of creaking and groaning (LOML said "is
> that you or is the house settling?" (smart ass)). If I didn't get a
> half hour of aerobics in and walk to the post office, I don't know what
> would happen. Is fear of the unknown an incentive?
>
> Just remember the old Swedish saying "Aging is the pits, but it beats
> the alternative".
> mahalo,
> jo4hn
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 01:16:23 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Bob McConnell wrote:
>
>> returns the treadmill, I might even start to lose some of the extra
>> weight I have put on in the past year.
>
>Speaking of which, I did good today. :) Instead of pizza, I had two slices
>of bread, four carrots, an orange, an apple, and a couple handfuls of
>assorted nuts.
A single handful of nuts = 3,000ish calories, so don't fool
yourself into thinking you did well, dude. That processed
bread probably wan't too good for you, either. Try a better
balanced salad next time and forgo the extra carbs.
My sister is helping me to start eating more "live" foods
and I feel a lot better for it.
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Swingman wrote:
> Just like smoking, you can make it a habit. Do that by forcing yourself to
> walk everyday for one month, no matter what ... after that it will be
> harder to break the habit than it is to go ahead and walk.
Another thing, don't be lazy. Instead of driving around the parking lot for
15 minutes to get close to the door, park at the back.
If you shop at any of these modern developments with clusters of strip malls
all in a somewhat centralized location, park somewhere in the middle. Walk
to K-Mart's hideous bullseye cousin, walk to Home Despot, etc.
SWMBO and I don't agree on this score at all. She'll drive from one store
to another, to another, to another, and only go one mile. It's funny when
we go out together. The kids and I walk from store to store, while she
drives.
--
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Silvan wrote:
>
> > That isn't the point really. She could really stand to get some
> > exercise. She's overweight and severely underactive to the point
> > where it's really starting to worry me.
She could have some serious physical problems. Hormone balance, thyroid,
etc. Can you get her to see the doctor? This time of year with the days
shorter, depression can easily set in also. Worth he trouble of getting it
checked out.
Ed
"Groggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> There used to be a time when I could work hard all day then go out and
> party. I just finished building a deck, it's only 1.8m x 4m with steps and
> around 500 ring shank nails, but I feel like a herd of cattle have been over
> my knees, thighs and lower back. I don't think I could handle even a
> Tupperware party. Getting older is good in some respects, but not this one,
> definitely not this one.
I work just as hard as I did when I was young....I just don't get as much done.
That reminds me of a verse from an old song:
I wake up each morning and dust off my wits
Pick up the newspaper and read the obits
And if my name's not there, then I know I'm not dead
So I have a nice breakfast and go back to bed
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:20:03 -0700, Bruce Rowen <[email protected]>
wrote:
>A friend tells me that that is a good thing. If you wake up and don't
>hurt all over, you probably are dead....
>
>-Bruce
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jo4hn wrote:
> I'm 64 and will start doing the Medicare dance in another couple months.
> I get up at 5 am to the sound of creaking and groaning (LOML said "is
I'm not looking forward to getting old. I already wake up to creaking and
groaning at early 30-something. My neck cracks and pops, my shoulders make
chunka chunka noises, my knees crack, my hips pop... I'm going to be a
mess.
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"T." <[email protected]> wrote
> Now, I probably couldn't do an honest day's work, in less than a month.
LOL, good one.
Reminds me of Kramers statement, "I spent a week there one night".
T. wrote:
> Used to be, I could carry two, 100 lb sacks of cattle feed, at
> once. Or, take a 45 lb concrete block, in each hand, and lift each to
I used to sling around 275 pound entertainment centers, or carry one on each
shoulder. Now I feel like my guts are going to pop when I have to push a
400-pound bunk bed.
I'm probably half your age, and I already feel like crap. Bad knees, bad
hip, bad wrists, bad shoulder. Bleah. I wish I thought it would get
better, but everybody your age is quick to point out that I ain't seen
nothin' yet when it comes to such complaints.
Aging is a raw deal.
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Fri, Jan 9, 2004, 10:34pm [email protected] (Silvan) cries
out:
<snip> Aging is a raw deal.
I figure it beats the alternative.
JOAT
Don't e-mail me while I'm breathing.
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T. wrote:
> Fri, Jan 9, 2004, 10:34pm [email protected] (Silvan) cries
> out:
> <snip> Aging is a raw deal.
>
> I figure it beats the alternative.
True, but if it weren't for these damned telomeres we wouldn't have to worry
about it at all.
Aging is something the body does to itself.
--
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"Groggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There used to be a time when I could work hard all day then go out and
> party. I just finished building a deck, it's only 1.8m x 4m with steps and
> around 500 ring shank nails, but I feel like a herd of cattle have been
over
> my knees, thighs and lower back. I don't think I could handle even a
> Tupperware party. Getting older is good in some respects, but not this
one,
> definitely not this one.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
Old!.....you said old?
I had my first child at forty-one, (not me actually, but you know what I
mean), and a second 13 months later. They are now 11 and 10, making me 52.
Raised them a few years by myself after their Mom passed. (I have a new
respect for domestic diva's) Two years ago I met and married a 40 year old
lady, (yeah, she keeps me young too) Then I retired forcibly and started
investing in real estate. So now it's bring my Daughter to school at 7:30,
ride my exercise bike for 1/2 hour, go to work on houses all day, and some
evenings, Karate classes 3 times a week (for the kids and I, just got my
purple belt) play in the woodshop as often as possible. Still play Hockey
Saturday nights, racquetball when I can get to the courts.
Oh yeah I hurt, from years of football knee's, and hockey slams, bending,
stooping, climbing. I feel every pain, and because I do, I know that I am
alive, and I relish that. The alternative really sucks.
That doesn't mean I don't complain and groan, that too is part of getting
older....................and having three younger people to wait on me.
Dave
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 07:56:21 +0000, Groggy wrote:
> There used to be a time when I could work hard all day then go out and
> party. I just finished building a deck, it's only 1.8m x 4m with steps and
> around 500 ring shank nails, but I feel like a herd of cattle have been over
> my knees, thighs and lower back. I don't think I could handle even a
> Tupperware party. Getting older is good in some respects, but not this one,
> definitely not this one.
I helped Jr. tile his kitchen and dining room. He'd take the
measurements, and I'd run outside squat down in front of the wet saw on
the ground and do the cuts. Next day, I discovered you really do have
butt muscles.
-Doug
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:04:19 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 03:15:51 -0500, Greg G. wrote:
>
>>I roofed our house last month, and it took two weeks to recover. <g>
>>Not to mention the increase in sleep my body simply demands. And
>>let's not forget the afternoon nap... I have laughed at my friends
>>and their aging complaints, but it's definitely catching up with me.
>
>
>While you can't reverse aging, you can surely slow it's effects with
>exercise. I don't mean training for marathons, either. <G>
>
>A simple routine of walking, cycling, hiking, jogging, _push mowing_
>the lawn, anything that you like to do that raises your heart rate and
>keeps it up there for a bit, done 4 times a week for about 30 minutes
>can make a huge difference. Add in a 20 minute stretch routine done
>daily, and the benefits get even better.
>
>In fact a daily stretch would have made a huge difference in the way
>you felt after the roof job.
>
>I'm only 38, but see the same "old" feelings if I do nothing for a
>month or so. If I keep up the routine, I feel better than when I was
>in my early 20's. FWIW, I occasionally bicycle with guys in their
>late 60's and 70's, they move right along at a good clip. One of the
>guys _started_ mountain biking at 61! What an inspiration! <G>
>
>Check with you doctor before starting something new, but TRY IT! You
>can start by using stairs and parking far from the BORG whenever
>possible.
>
>Barry
Good point Barry. I usually walk 5 miles a day. Yesterday I hiked 8
miles in the mountains on a trail labeled as "difficult." I'm 50 and
still feel like 30. But, I'd much rather spend an evening in the
shop, than a drinking party at night (both are fun).
Silvan wrote:
> SWMBO and I don't agree on this score at all. She'll drive from one
> store to another, to another, to another, and only go one mile.
I'll do this if I think the stuff in the car is visible & too tempting.
Twice stuff has been "liberated." Once was a company parking lot, the other
in front of house, and I've no desire for a third.
> It's funny when we go out together. The kids and I walk from
> store to store, while she drives.
Who usually gets there first?
-- Mark
(OBWW) Boy, did you ever hit the nail on the head! How did such a young
puppy like you learn "the trick"? :)
At 60, if I don't walk everyday, I feel 85 ... and 60 is plenty bad enough
by itself. It somehow seems the more active you were when younger, the worse
it is.
Instead of driving, I walk to the Post Office, 3 mile round trip; the
grocery store for small items, 1 mile round trip, and so on ... I have
measured 1, 2, and 3 mile routes marked out, depending upon my time and
inclination, but never less than a mile, even in bad weather. Besides, if
you walk 20 minutes in one direction, you have to walk 20 minutes to get
back
Not only does walking cost nothing but shoe leather, the savings in monthly
cholesterol and blood pressure medicine can be enormous at the rip-off
prices, and leave more for the tool/wood budget.
Just like smoking, you can make it a habit. Do that by forcing yourself to
walk everyday for one month, no matter what ... after that it will be harder
to break the habit than it is to go ahead and walk.
--
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Last update: 1/02/04.
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." wrote in message
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 03:15:51 -0500, Greg G. wrote:
>
> >I roofed our house last month, and it took two weeks to recover. <g>
> >Not to mention the increase in sleep my body simply demands. And
> >let's not forget the afternoon nap... I have laughed at my friends
> >and their aging complaints, but it's definitely catching up with me.
>
>
> While you can't reverse aging, you can surely slow it's effects with
> exercise. I don't mean training for marathons, either. <G>
<snip>
> Check with you doctor before starting something new, but TRY IT! You
> can start by using stairs and parking far from the BORG whenever
> possible.
>
> Barry
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:07:55 -0800, Everett M. Greene wrote:
> And if you do the tile laying, then back muscles, arm muscles,
> leg muscles, and sore knees are all telling you that they don't
> care for that kind of thing!
Yup, I found out about all those helping the daughter put in a brick patio
over a sand bed. That was almost a month ago, and I think I need to see a
bone crusher for the back.
-Doug
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:31:35 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Tim Douglass wrote:
>
>>>broken about four years ago, and I haven't been able to figure out how to
>>>fix it.
>>
>> See post in alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking titled "difference
>> between men & women". It should make everything perfectly clear.
>
>I'll try, but I'm not hopeful. That usenet replay thing seems to miss 70%
>of the posts people refer me to.
>
>Nope. Couple of chairs, a gumball machine or two...
See it here:
http://www.douglassclan.com/Photos/men-v-women.jpg
Hope this helps.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> T. wrote:
>
> > Used to be, I could carry two, 100 lb sacks of cattle feed, at
> > once. Or, take a 45 lb concrete block, in each hand, and lift each to
>
> I used to sling around 275 pound entertainment centers, or carry one on
each
> shoulder. Now I feel like my guts are going to pop when I have to push a
> 400-pound bunk bed.
<snip>
> Aging is a raw deal.
My knees have been singing the *Rice Krispies* song ever since my mid 20's.
Too much of teen years spent tending milking machines on dairy farm.
Growing old is not for sissies!
Nahmie
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:34:03 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> > That isn't the point really. She could really stand to get some
>>> > exercise. She's overweight and severely underactive to the point
>>> > where it's really starting to worry me.
>>
>> She could have some serious physical problems. Hormone balance, thyroid,
>> etc. Can you get her to see the doctor? This time of year with the days
>> shorter, depression can easily set in also. Worth he trouble of getting
>> it checked out.
>
>Nothing like that, I don't suspect, but I guess it's a thought that
>shouldn't be dismissed so easily. Her perpetual state of fatigue and
>unwillingness to be motivated into doing anything that smacks of exercise
>really could be due to some malady. (Or she could just have assal
>couchalitis and chocoholia.)
Or depression? There are lots of posibilities. My wife (mid 50's) was
balooning quite badly until she found that she was allergic to wheat
and milk. She also got some counselling after we found she was
suffering PTSD from the death of her father, 25 years ago. Since then
she has been able to get back into her old wardrobe. Of course, she
still used it as an excuse to buy a new wardrobe, but that's one of
the ways to keep her happy.
You might consider a complete physical checkup, and if the doctor
doesn't find anything, a mental health evaluation would be in order.
Bob McConnell
N2SPP
Crap, I had no idea my wife was cheating, let alone another husband. Since
we share the same wife, can I at least borrow some of your tools?
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"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Swingman wrote:
>
> > Just like smoking, you can make it a habit. Do that by forcing yourself
to
> > walk everyday for one month, no matter what ... after that it will be
> > harder to break the habit than it is to go ahead and walk.
>
> Another thing, don't be lazy. Instead of driving around the parking lot
for
> 15 minutes to get close to the door, park at the back.
>
> If you shop at any of these modern developments with clusters of strip
malls
> all in a somewhat centralized location, park somewhere in the middle.
Walk
> to K-Mart's hideous bullseye cousin, walk to Home Despot, etc.
>
> SWMBO and I don't agree on this score at all. She'll drive from one store
> to another, to another, to another, and only go one mile. It's funny when
> we go out together. The kids and I walk from store to store, while she
> drives.
>
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 07:56:21 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>There used to be a time when I could work hard all day then go out and
>party. I just finished building a deck, it's only 1.8m x 4m with steps and
>around 500 ring shank nails, but I feel like a herd of cattle have been over
>my knees, thighs and lower back. I don't think I could handle even a
>Tupperware party. Getting older is good in some respects, but not this one,
>definitely not this one.
>
>Greg
>
Hi Greg,
It's primarily a matter of what you are used to. Since you obviously
weren't used to bending over to work near the ground, I would guess
you don't do a lot of it. As others have mentioned, there are a number
of exercises you can do to improve your overall condition, and if you
are going to do more low level work, you should concentrate on lower
trunk strength and flexibility.
I will be 54 in a few weeks, and some days I just can't keep up with
the grandchildren. But even when I just do some basic calisthentics on
a regular basis, I feel much better and last longer. If my son ever
returns the treadmill, I might even start to lose some of the extra
weight I have put on in the past year.
Keep stretching,
Bob McConnell
N2SPP
Mike,
A number of us use Teranews (http://www.teranews.com), and it works well.
You need to provide a credit card for ID purposes (no charges) but that's
it. I am happy with them after 2 yrs. It doesn't catch everything, but most
of it is caught.
Ping me if you need more info.
cheers,
Greg
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> Tim Douglass wrote:
>
> >>broken about four years ago, and I haven't been able to figure out how
to
> >>fix it.
> >
> > See post in alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking titled "difference
> > between men & women". It should make everything perfectly clear.
>
> I'll try, but I'm not hopeful. That usenet replay thing seems to miss 70%
> of the posts people refer me to.
>
> Nope. Couple of chairs, a gumball machine or two...
>
> Sucks that nobody carries binaries groups anymore.
>
> --
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You know you're getting old when:
- Happy hour means a nap;
- your back goes out more often than you do.
Groggy wrote:
> There used to be a time when I could work hard all day then go out and
> party. I just finished building a deck, it's only 1.8m x 4m with steps and
> around 500 ring shank nails, but I feel like a herd of cattle have been over
> my knees, thighs and lower back. I don't think I could handle even a
> Tupperware party. Getting older is good in some respects, but not this one,
> definitely not this one.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
Silvan wrote:
> That isn't the point really. She could really stand to get some
> exercise. She's overweight and severely underactive to the point
> where it's really starting to worry me.
>
> She's the only friend I have in the world, Mark. What am I going to
> do without her?
<no bull>
My wife of 21 years and I have gone through a rough couple of years.
(Having two teenagers in the house pushes things to the limit.)
I suggest you try counseling. We have had many sessions. I didn't do a
good job hearing her needs, but when the counselor articulated them it
helped. Likewise, SWMBO ignored, trivialized, and stomped all over my
input, but when the same things were passed though a neutral 3rd party, they
were (eventually) accepted.
Our relationship has grown so that we can discuss "important" things.
Your SWMBO may not be able to hear *from* *you*, "Honey, I'm concerned about
your health. I want to have you around for a long time. Please take care
of yourself." However, if you say it to a neutral 3rd party in the presence
of SWMBO, then he or she says it to SWMBO, it could over time make a
difference. It's worked for me, and its worked for my SWMBO.
I have been able to write checks to cover the counseling sessions. Based on
what you've written in the wreck, you may not be able to. If that's the
case, I'm 99.44% sure there is a clergy-person who would be willing to do a
session or two or whatever gratis -- whether or not you're a member of their
particular franchise.
For more details / recommendations despamify my email addy.
</no bull>
-- Mark
Mark Jerde wrote:
> My wife of 21 years and I have gone through a rough couple of years.
> (Having two teenagers in the house pushes things to the limit.)
Bleah, don't remind me. I'm going to have a pair of those before I know it.
My babies are already 10 and 7 respectively. When the hell did that
happen?
> I suggest you try counseling. We have had many sessions. I didn't do a
> Our relationship has grown so that we can discuss "important" things.
It's an interesting thought. I can't think out loud about various aspects
of my response to this idea without airing a bunch of dirty laundry, but I
must admit that as I have sat here and thought about it, we probably really
do have some communications issues.
Mom is sort of our go-between, but Mom isn't a detached third party.
> I have been able to write checks to cover the counseling sessions. Based
> on what you've written in the wreck, you may not be able to. If that's
May not be able to afford to pay for something? Me? Whatever gave you that
idea?
I have $27 right here. Is that enough? :)
(This credit card thing really is kicking our ass. We're supposed to be out
this August, but I don't see it happening. I think the five-year estimate
was too optimistic. I'm hoping debt-free by 2006 though. Not much longer
to endure this self-imposed poverty.)
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Tim Douglass wrote:
> See it here:
>
> http://www.douglassclan.com/Photos/men-v-women.jpg
>
> Hope this helps.
LMAO!! I'm printing a dozen copies of this one. :)
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I'm 64 and will start doing the Medicare dance in another couple months.
I get up at 5 am to the sound of creaking and groaning (LOML said "is
that you or is the house settling?" (smart ass)). If I didn't get a
half hour of aerobics in and walk to the post office, I don't know what
would happen. Is fear of the unknown an incentive?
Just remember the old Swedish saying "Aging is the pits, but it beats
the alternative".
mahalo,
jo4hn
Groggy wrote:
> There used to be a time when I could work hard all day then go out and
> party. I just finished building a deck, it's only 1.8m x 4m with steps and
> around 500 ring shank nails, but I feel like a herd of cattle have been over
> my knees, thighs and lower back. I don't think I could handle even a
> Tupperware party. Getting older is good in some respects, but not this one,
> definitely not this one.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
Tim Douglass wrote:
>>broken about four years ago, and I haven't been able to figure out how to
>>fix it.
>
> See post in alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking titled "difference
> between men & women". It should make everything perfectly clear.
I'll try, but I'm not hopeful. That usenet replay thing seems to miss 70%
of the posts people refer me to.
Nope. Couple of chairs, a gumball machine or two...
Sucks that nobody carries binaries groups anymore.
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Bob McConnell wrote:
> returns the treadmill, I might even start to lose some of the extra
> weight I have put on in the past year.
Speaking of which, I did good today. :) Instead of pizza, I had two slices
of bread, four carrots, an orange, an apple, and a couple handfuls of
assorted nuts.
I like all that stuff. We keep it around. I should eat it more often.
It's amazing how few times I'll take a piece of fruit or a carrot out of
that drawer and grab a Dr. Pepper and a bag of Doritos instead. Half the
fruit ends up getting thrown away uneaten.
No wonder I look like Hank Hill.
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:40:50 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>(OBWW) Boy, did you ever hit the nail on the head! How did such a young
>puppy like you learn "the trick"? :)
You should know that bass playing sound guys learn fast. <G>
Barry
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:07:33 -0500 (EST), [email protected] (T.)
wrote:
>Wed, Jan 7, 2004, 7:56am (EST+5) [email protected] (Groggy) claims:
>There used to be a time when I could work <snip>
>
> I don't feel like I'm old, but I must've been issued sub-standard
>parts, because my joints are pretty well shot. Not possible I could
>have abused them. LOL
>
> Used to be, I could carry two, 100 lb sacks of cattle feed, at
>once. Or, take a 45 lb concrete block, in each hand, and lift each to
>shoulder height, straight out from my sides. Used to be able to crack
>walnuts, with one hand. Now, I probably couldn't do an honest day's
>work, in less than a month. Been on disability for joints, and
>headache, since '96.
Probably because of all the unnecessary punishment you gave your body
when you were younger.
Sat, Jan 10, 2004, 1:11am [email protected] (Cape=A0Cod=A0Bob)
says:
Probably because of all the unnecessary punishment you gave your body
when you were younger.
Possibly, but the disability was approved for arthritis of the
spine, which I don't think came from that, and the headache is supposed
to be from stress. I know it started with my last commander, and
stayed, so I attribute that part to him.
JOAT
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Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 9 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> > That isn't the point really. She could really stand to get some
>> > exercise. She's overweight and severely underactive to the point
>> > where it's really starting to worry me.
>
> She could have some serious physical problems. Hormone balance, thyroid,
> etc. Can you get her to see the doctor? This time of year with the days
> shorter, depression can easily set in also. Worth he trouble of getting
> it checked out.
Nothing like that, I don't suspect, but I guess it's a thought that
shouldn't be dismissed so easily. Her perpetual state of fatigue and
unwillingness to be motivated into doing anything that smacks of exercise
really could be due to some malady. (Or she could just have assal
couchalitis and chocoholia.)
The day length thing is something I well understand. I suffer from that
very seriously. Hits me hard in August because everything is busy busy
busy while mentally I'm winding down into a funk. I hate August. I'd like
to strike it from the calendar.
Anyway, she definitely isn't affected by the seasons the way I am, so that's
out.
Sitting here thinking about it, I guess I'm to blame for some of this. I
walk, but she doesn't walk with me. Why? I walk in the woods. The woods
are interesting. They're also filled with hills and rocks and bugs and
thorns.
I should probably suck it up and start walking with her in the mall or
something.
Worth a try. Hell, take her by Sears. Crapsman stuff isn't *that* bad. ;)
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Larry C in Auburn, WA wrote:
> Crap, I had no idea my wife was cheating, let alone another husband.
> Since we share the same wife, can I at least borrow some of your tools?
You can borrow all the tools you want as soon as you tell me the magic
secret to put her in the mood for lovin'. Her horny button seems to have
broken about four years ago, and I haven't been able to figure out how to
fix it.
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:34:35 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Larry C in Auburn, WA wrote:
>
>> Crap, I had no idea my wife was cheating, let alone another husband.
>> Since we share the same wife, can I at least borrow some of your tools?
>
>You can borrow all the tools you want as soon as you tell me the magic
>secret to put her in the mood for lovin'. Her horny button seems to have
>broken about four years ago, and I haven't been able to figure out how to
>fix it.
See post in alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking titled "difference
between men & women". It should make everything perfectly clear.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Sorry, I've been taking care of that part. LOL
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> Larry C in Auburn, WA wrote:
>
> > Crap, I had no idea my wife was cheating, let alone another husband.
> > Since we share the same wife, can I at least borrow some of your tools?
>
> You can borrow all the tools you want as soon as you tell me the magic
> secret to put her in the mood for lovin'. Her horny button seems to have
> broken about four years ago, and I haven't been able to figure out how to
> fix it.
>
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>
Groggy said:
>There used to be a time when I could work hard all day then go out and
>party. I just finished building a deck, it's only 1.8m x 4m with steps and
>around 500 ring shank nails, but I feel like a herd of cattle have been over
>my knees, thighs and lower back. I don't think I could handle even a
>Tupperware party. Getting older is good in some respects, but not this one,
>definitely not this one.
>
>Greg
I feel your pain. I used to work on cars all day, work at an
electronics shop at night, then go out partying before going home for
4 hours of sleep. That was then...
I roofed our house last month, and it took two weeks to recover. <g>
Not to mention the increase in sleep my body simply demands. And
let's not forget the afternoon nap... I have laughed at my friends
and their aging complaints, but it's definitely catching up with me.
The Other Greg
Greg G.
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:54:56 -0600, Joseph Crowe <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>Everett M. Greene wrote:
>> Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> writes:
>>>I helped Jr. tile his kitchen and dining room. He'd take the
>>>measurements, and I'd run outside squat down in front of the wet saw on
>>>the ground and do the cuts. Next day, I discovered you really do have
>>>butt muscles.
>>
>> And if you do the tile laying, then back muscles, arm muscles,
>> leg muscles, and sore knees are all telling you that they don't
>> care for that kind of thing!
>
> Just one suggestion, though you might find it a bit strange. If
>you want to overcome the negative effects, regardless of age, of such
>activities, get yourself a good book on stretching and do about fifteen
>to thirty minutes after warming up and before calling it a day....you
>can do this while listening to music or watching the idiot box if you
>like. I recommend the book by Aaron Mattes, but Bob Anderson's is not
>too bad either. It really does work, as I can attest. I'm both a
>learning woodworker, a fulltime software designer and so forth. If I
>do the stretching as above, I feel much better afterwards and I am also
>well advanced into middle age so I understand the factors. I've done
>all the tilework I ever want to do and what Everett said has a real
>ring of truth to it.....stretch, you'll be glad you did.
>
>Stretching by Bob Anderson ISBN: 0936070226
>Specific Stretching for Everyone by Aaron L. Mattes
> available at www.stretchingusa.com
>
>Respectfully,
>JCrowe
I hurt my back three months ago. No insurance, so I did not see a
doctor. I started a morning yoga exercise for the back, and 6 weeks
later my back is okay. But, out of habit, I still do the morning yoga
while the coffee maker is doing its thing. Basically, it's a morning
stretch, slow and easy. Makes me feel young again. No back pain, no
doctor bills.
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 03:15:51 -0500, Greg G. wrote:
>I roofed our house last month, and it took two weeks to recover. <g>
>Not to mention the increase in sleep my body simply demands. And
>let's not forget the afternoon nap... I have laughed at my friends
>and their aging complaints, but it's definitely catching up with me.
While you can't reverse aging, you can surely slow it's effects with
exercise. I don't mean training for marathons, either. <G>
A simple routine of walking, cycling, hiking, jogging, _push mowing_
the lawn, anything that you like to do that raises your heart rate and
keeps it up there for a bit, done 4 times a week for about 30 minutes
can make a huge difference. Add in a 20 minute stretch routine done
daily, and the benefits get even better.
In fact a daily stretch would have made a huge difference in the way
you felt after the roof job.
I'm only 38, but see the same "old" feelings if I do nothing for a
month or so. If I keep up the routine, I feel better than when I was
in my early 20's. FWIW, I occasionally bicycle with guys in their
late 60's and 70's, they move right along at a good clip. One of the
guys _started_ mountain biking at 61! What an inspiration! <G>
Check with you doctor before starting something new, but TRY IT! You
can start by using stairs and parking far from the BORG whenever
possible.
Barry
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>While you can't reverse aging, you can surely slow it's effects with
>exercise. I don't mean training for marathons, either. <G>
>
I do a light routine at the YMCA 4 nights
a week on the Nautilus machines with
a little running in between. The best
part is the contrast between how you
feel in the locker room while you're
putting on your shorts after a hard days
work and the way you feel in the shower
afterward. Once I overdid it on the
machine for the back muscles and
had terrible spasms for awhile, so I
kind of tiptoe around that one, but it
seems that no matter how hard you
work during the day, that excercise
routine is revitalizing.
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:28:56 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Real, full sized wagon wheels, with the iron tires?
>
>One of my grandfather's did that ... he was both a blacksmith and a
>wheelwright.
My grand dad could "iron a carrage" when he was 16.
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Pete wrote:
> Hey, I am 74 years old and work 3 or 4 days a week. Days off and night
> in my work shop. I make brooms and wagon wheels. Better to wear out than
> to rust out.
>
Wasn't there an old Neil Young song with lyrics . . .
better to burn out, then it is to burn, hey hey, bye bye . . .
From the late 60's I believe.
rick
>Better to wear out than
>> to rust out.
>>
>
>Wasn't there an old Neil Young song with lyrics . . .
>
>better to burn out, then it is to burn, hey hey, bye bye . . .
>
> From the late 60's I believe.
>
>rick
" Hey, Hey, My, My...It's better to burn out than it is to Rust... Hey, Hey,
My, My" Neil Youg & Crazy Horse - Rust Never Sleeps 1979 Warner Bros. Records
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