CW

"C Wood"

26/09/2003 6:35 PM

OT: ISP shutdown my email (over quota) due to virus

All emails to my address now get a response that I am over quota. I am
over quota becuase I rec'v 20-30 viruses a day (Swen), and unknown
quantities of spam (that I don't see anymore due to spampal).

This is verizon DSL.

www.verizon.net

If they had any type of virus protection this wouldn't happen. Complain
to your ISP before this happens to you.

Charles.







This topic has 26 replies

tT

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 5:10 AM

"C Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<FF%[email protected]>...
> All emails to my address now get a response that I am over quota. I am
> over quota becuase I rec'v 20-30 viruses a day (Swen), and unknown
> quantities of spam (that I don't see anymore due to spampal).
>
> This is verizon DSL.
>
> www.verizon.net
>
> If they had any type of virus protection this wouldn't happen. Complain
> to your ISP before this happens to you.
>
> Charles.

20-30 would be nice,i`m getting 100-150.
My mail does`nt fill up though,quota.
I put all my ebay reciepts,paypal ect...in a new folder and just
delete all new mail after looking thru them quick. Hoping it`ll stop
soon =\

Nn

Nova

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

26/09/2003 10:21 PM

"C Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> > All emails to my address now get a response that I am over quota. I
> am
> > over quota becuase I rec'v 20-30 viruses a day (Swen), and unknown
> > quantities of spam (that I don't see anymore due to spampal).
> >
> > This is verizon DSL.

I'm on a Verizon DSL as well. Delete the infected messages from your "In Box"
and the message will go away.

By the way, you can set up you mail program empty your mailbox after you
download the messages.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

Nn

Nova

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 1:07 AM

C Wood wrote:

> You all are missing the point.
>
> A Quota is not how much you have stored, it's how much you've
> sent/recv'd. My recv quota for the month is full. Deleting messages (which
> I do ever 5 mins automatically) has no effect on this.

<snip>

My Verizon DSL service has no mail quota???? The only limitation is the primary
mailbox is 30 MB, and each of the three sub accounts (additional mailbox) is 10
MB each.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

Nn

Nova

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 2:28 PM

Charles wrote:

> Well, you are East Coast, I'm West coast. We probably have different
> server admins. I never recall seeing anything about an email quota, until
> someone called me and forwarded the return mail notice to my other hotmail
> addy.
>
> Also, verizon denied any emails larger than 3 megs to my account. What
> is your total cost on DSL out there? I think mine is $37 + 6% city tax.
> Maybe we have different plans.

It's $34.95 for 1.5 MB down/128 KB up.

> If you do the math, it's ~25*140k * 10 days. (some emails were 200k)
> It's like 35 megs. Not counting the large files I get daily (1 meg) and
> everyweek (2.5 Megs) So that's in worst case 38 Megs, plus the unknown trash
> (70-100 spam @ 5k @ 10 days) 3.6 more megs.
>
> To finish out the month, that would be another 18 days:
>
> 18*1Meg + 18*.5meg + 2*2.5 Megs + 1 meg real mail + the other
> 41.6megs. 71.6 Megs.
>
> Have you rec'vd that much this month?

I'd say I'm receiving that much every two days.

With the current virus attack my 10 MB for this account fills up while the
computer is shut off for the night (about 7 hour span). During the day I have a
mail client set to pull my mail every 15 minutes and delete the mail from
Verizon's server. The downloaded mail is then automatically run through a virus
checker (McAfee) and a filter (ChoiceMail Plus) which allows only "approved
senders" to reach my "Inbox". The rest is deleted by the filter.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

SA

"Scratch Ankle Wood"

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 9:31 AM


"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> get a Hotmail addy. They are free, and they have nit passed on a single
> virus to my addy.
> Greg
>
>

Got quite a few in mine. Along with the notice that I am over my limit and
emails are being bounced. Of course, what's being bounced is more viruses
and spam since I don't use this address except as a posting address for
newsgroups so it's no major loss.

MJ

"Mark Jerde"

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 2:31 PM

Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> Not necessarily. When I wanted high-speed internet (DSL or cable) I
>> had a choice of one.
>
> But you don't have to use _them_ for mailservice, just for
> 'connectivity'.

I'm a biometrics consultant and sometimes the work involves writing
software. Of my 6 active email addresses, the ISP-provided is consistently
the fastest on large downloads. Worst is the address on a server connected
to the internet via dialup. <g>

-- Mark

MJ

"Mark Jerde"

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 3:43 AM

Doug Miller wrote:
> If that's really the way they run it, you need a better ISP. And
> that's the
> point: there are thousands of ISPs in the world. If you're not happy
> with the
> service you're getting from your current ISP, find a new one. It's
> not that hard to do.

Not necessarily. When I wanted high-speed internet (DSL or cable) I had a
choice of one.

-- Mark

bR

bonomi@c-ns. (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 10:20 AM

In article <FF%[email protected]>,
C Wood <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> All emails to my address now get a response that I am over quota. I am
>over quota becuase I rec'v 20-30 viruses a day (Swen), and unknown

Twenty or thirty a *day*?? !!!

Consider yourself lucky ! Earlier this week, I was getting five or six
*a*minute*. Since 6PM Monday, I've gotten over 4600 of them. 659+ mega-
bytes worth. I run my own mailserver, so I do have tools in place, *on*the*
*server*, to cope. They're automatically identified, counted, and sent to
the bit-bucket. :)

CW

"C Wood"

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

26/09/2003 11:43 PM


"Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: Learn to use filters and delete the files from your inbox. My hotmail and
: yahoo accounts were getting filled up daily. I set up filters to auto
delete
: the virus email and have had no problem since. The ISP can only do so
much.
:
You all are missing the point.

A Quota is not how much you have stored, it's how much you've
sent/recv'd. My recv quota for the month is full. Deleting messages (which
I do ever 5 mins automatically) has no effect on this. They have no tools,
their spam filter lets through 90 a day, which I block (and delete). The
account is over quota, not a damn thing I can do about it. It is the ISP's
reponsiblity to handle these things. They should have had the virus blocked
on day 2. Period. Buy instead they are shutting down their customers email
accounts.

Auto delete does nothing, your server still rec'vd it.

bR

bonomi@c-ns. (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 11:18 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
C Wood <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>"Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>: Learn to use filters and delete the files from your inbox. My hotmail and
>: yahoo accounts were getting filled up daily. I set up filters to auto
>delete
>: the virus email and have had no problem since. The ISP can only do so
>much.
>:
> You all are missing the point.

The _standard_ meaning of "quota", with regard to email, is the amount
of material you can store _in_the_mailbox_, at any given time. If you
have a provider who limits, based on 'bandwidth used' -- the amount of
traffic you can send/receive, you need to look for a better provider.

*YOU* didn't make clear that you were using the word in a 'non-standard'
way. People _thought_ you meant the same thing that 'everybody means'
when everybody else uses that word.

> A Quota is not how much you have stored, it's how much you've
>sent/recv'd. My recv quota for the month is full. Deleting messages (which
>I do ever 5 mins automatically) has no effect on this. They have no tools,
>their spam filter lets through 90 a day, which I block (and delete).

Wow! An entire 90/day. I've gotten FIVE THOUSAND since Monday Evening.
At one point they were coming in at the rate of five *per*minute*. Luckily,
I run my own servers, and *do* have tools in place to automatically 'bit-
bucket' messages with executable content.

> The
>account is over quota, not a damn thing I can do about it. It is the ISP's
>reponsiblity to handle these things. They should have had the virus blocked
>on day 2. Period. Buy instead they are shutting down their customers email
>accounts.

"Think of it as evolution in action." <grin> The providers who do _not_
adapt to doing appropriate filtering _before_ 'charging' the bandwidth against
the user's "ration", will drive their customers to those providers who either
A) don't charge, or B) have effective 'advance filtering' technology. As the
customer base flees, the provider will either _learn_ to adapt, or go out
of business due to a lack of customers.

CS

"Charlie Spitzer"

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

26/09/2003 12:02 PM

no, complain to yours. other isps have some sort of protection. vote with
your dollars and take your business elsewhere, if you don't like the service
you're getting.

"C Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:FF%[email protected]...
> All emails to my address now get a response that I am over quota. I
am
> over quota becuase I rec'v 20-30 viruses a day (Swen), and unknown
> quantities of spam (that I don't see anymore due to spampal).
>
> This is verizon DSL.
>
> www.verizon.net
>
> If they had any type of virus protection this wouldn't happen.
Complain
> to your ISP before this happens to you.
>
> Charles.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

26/09/2003 3:51 PM

In article <FF%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> All emails to my address now get a response that I am over quota. I am
> over quota becuase I rec'v 20-30 viruses a day (Swen), and unknown
> quantities of spam (that I don't see anymore due to spampal).
>
> This is verizon DSL.
>
Fastmail did the same to me. Oh well, it's almost the end of the month
and then it'll work again.

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 10:34 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> If that's really the way they run it, you need a better ISP. And that's the
> point: there are thousands of ISPs in the world. If you're not happy with the
> service you're getting from your current ISP, find a new one. It's not that
> hard to do.
>
>
AFAIK, every ISP sets a limit on the size of your mailbox. If it fills
up with spam, you lose whatever comes in afterwards. With this new Sven
worm/virus/whatever, mine at FastMail filled up 2 or 3 times a day.
OTOH, my ISP does filter out Sven and a lot of other stuff so I only get
about 25-50 spams a day in that mailbox (which I don't use for news).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

28/09/2003 9:01 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> No word at all from Verizon (except
> for the notices that my e-mail was getting full
>
That IS a quota!

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

DW

"Doug Winterburn"

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 4:55 AM

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:43:36 +0000, Mark Jerde wrote:

> Doug Miller wrote:
>> If that's really the way they run it, you need a better ISP. And
>> that's the
>> point: there are thousands of ISPs in the world. If you're not happy
>> with the
>> service you're getting from your current ISP, find a new one. It's
>> not that hard to do.
>
> Not necessarily. When I wanted high-speed internet (DSL or cable) I had a
> choice of one.

My choice is zero on those fronts, but I can get wireless for $700 install
and $70/month - not.

-Doug

Cc

"Charles"

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 2:54 AM


"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> C Wood wrote:
>
> > You all are missing the point.
> >
> > A Quota is not how much you have stored, it's how much you've
> > sent/recv'd. My recv quota for the month is full. Deleting messages
(which
> > I do ever 5 mins automatically) has no effect on this.
>
> <snip>
>
> My Verizon DSL service has no mail quota???? The only limitation is the
primary
> mailbox is 30 MB, and each of the three sub accounts (additional mailbox)
is 10
> MB each.

Well, you are East Coast, I'm West coast. We probably have different
server admins. I never recall seeing anything about an email quota, until
someone called me and forwarded the return mail notice to my other hotmail
addy.

Also, verizon denied any emails larger than 3 megs to my account. What
is your total cost on DSL out there? I think mine is $37 + 6% city tax.
Maybe we have different plans.

If you do the math, it's ~25*140k * 10 days. (some emails were 200k)
It's like 35 megs. Not counting the large files I get daily (1 meg) and
everyweek (2.5 Megs) So that's in worst case 38 Megs, plus the unknown trash
(70-100 spam @ 5k @ 10 days) 3.6 more megs.

To finish out the month, that would be another 18 days:

18*1Meg + 18*.5meg + 2*2.5 Megs + 1 meg real mail + the other
41.6megs. 71.6 Megs.

Have you rec'vd that much this month?








bR

bonomi@c-ns. (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 11:32 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Mark Jerde <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>Doug Miller wrote:
>> If that's really the way they run it, you need a better ISP. And
>> that's the
>> point: there are thousands of ISPs in the world. If you're not happy
>> with the
>> service you're getting from your current ISP, find a new one. It's
>> not that hard to do.
>
>Not necessarily. When I wanted high-speed internet (DSL or cable) I had a
>choice of one.

But you don't have to use _them_ for mailservice, just for 'connectivity'.

Ba

B a r r y B u r k e J r .

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 3:15 AM

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:43:40 GMT, "C Wood"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> You all are missing the point.
>
> A Quota is not how much you have stored, it's how much you've
>sent/recv'd. My recv quota for the month is full.

Many ISPs use quotas only on mail stored. I've only heard your
version used for web traffic.

Barry

VB

"Vic Baron"

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

26/09/2003 11:06 PM

Learn to use filters and delete the files from your inbox. My hotmail and
yahoo accounts were getting filled up daily. I set up filters to auto delete
the virus email and have had no problem since. The ISP can only do so much.

vgb

"C Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:FF%[email protected]...
> All emails to my address now get a response that I am over quota. I
am
> over quota becuase I rec'v 20-30 viruses a day (Swen), and unknown
> quantities of spam (that I don't see anymore due to spampal).
>
> This is verizon DSL.
>
> www.verizon.net
>
> If they had any type of virus protection this wouldn't happen.
Complain
> to your ISP before this happens to you.
>
> Charles.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

28/09/2003 12:44 AM

Doug Miller wrote:

> with the service you're getting from your current ISP, find a new one.
> It's not that hard to do.

That's true for modem users, but in most markets your choices are severely
limited if you want something more. For me, for example, my selection of
DSL providers is limited to 0. I can't ever get DSL unless I move
somewhere that has copper phone lines instead of fiberoptic.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
Confirmed post number: 18002 Approximate word count: 540060
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

BH

Brian Henderson

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

29/09/2003 11:20 PM

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:01:15 -0700, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> No word at all from Verizon (except
>> for the notices that my e-mail was getting full

>That IS a quota!

No, the original poster said that their e-mail account got shut off
for the rest of the month because they had gone over-quota. What I
have is a size limit, and as soon as I go below that limit, I continue
receiving e-mail, regardless of how much mail I might get a month, be
it 5 megs or 500 megs.

BH

Brian Henderson

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

28/09/2003 9:21 AM

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:43:40 GMT, "C Wood"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> A Quota is not how much you have stored, it's how much you've
>sent/recv'd. My recv quota for the month is full. Deleting messages (which
>I do ever 5 mins automatically) has no effect on this. They have no tools,
>their spam filter lets through 90 a day, which I block (and delete). The
>account is over quota, not a damn thing I can do about it. It is the ISP's
>reponsiblity to handle these things. They should have had the virus blocked
>on day 2. Period. Buy instead they are shutting down their customers email
>accounts.

You have a quota? I've got Verizon DSL and I have no quota
whatsoever. In fact, even without the virus spam I've gotten this
month, I would be WAY over any quota as I was having multiple large
files sent to my e-mail over the course of a couple days that probably
went into the multiple-gig range. No word at all from Verizon (except
for the notices that my e-mail was getting full when I had a bunch of
virus spam in the box).

BH

Brian Henderson

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

28/09/2003 9:22 AM

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:54:00 GMT, "Charles"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Well, you are East Coast, I'm West coast. We probably have different
>server admins. I never recall seeing anything about an email quota, until
>someone called me and forwarded the return mail notice to my other hotmail
>addy.

I'm West Coast Verizon too and I have the same setup he does. No
quota whatsoever.

> Also, verizon denied any emails larger than 3 megs to my account. What
>is your total cost on DSL out there? I think mine is $37 + 6% city tax.
>Maybe we have different plans.

Verizon dropped the price on *ALL* 768/128 plans to $29.95 a month
nationwide. You're getting ripped off.

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 1:42 AM

In article <[email protected]>, "C Wood" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>: Learn to use filters and delete the files from your inbox. My hotmail and
>: yahoo accounts were getting filled up daily. I set up filters to auto
>delete
>: the virus email and have had no problem since. The ISP can only do so
>much.
>:
> You all are missing the point.

No, I think you are.
>
> A Quota is not how much you have stored, it's how much you've
>sent/recv'd. My recv quota for the month is full.

If that's really the way they run it, you need a better ISP. And that's the
point: there are thousands of ISPs in the world. If you're not happy with the
service you're getting from your current ISP, find a new one. It's not that
hard to do.


--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

GO

"Greg O"

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

26/09/2003 5:46 PM


"C Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:FF%[email protected]...
> All emails to my address now get a response that I am over quota. I
am
> over quota becuase I rec'v 20-30 viruses a day (Swen), and unknown
> quantities of spam (that I don't see anymore due to spampal).
>
> This is verizon DSL.
>
> www.verizon.net
>
> If they had any type of virus protection this wouldn't happen.
Complain
> to your ISP before this happens to you.
>
> Charles.


get a Hotmail addy. They are free, and they have nit passed on a single
virus to my addy.
Greg

c

in reply to "C Wood" on 26/09/2003 6:35 PM

27/09/2003 9:10 AM

"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote:

>get a Hotmail addy. They are free, and they have nit passed on a single
>virus to my addy.
>Greg

Lycos is letting the viri through. But then that consumes diskspace
and they want me to sign up $$$ for more. Humm.

WEs

--
Reply to:
Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Gee Tee EYE EYE dot COM
Lycos address is a spam trap.


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