I am struggling to solve the dust problem in my basement workshop.
Currently it does not have any ventilation, although I have dust
collector it does not eliminate dust fully. I am thinking about
installing some sort of ceiling mounted exhaust fan to suck the dust
from the workshop outside. Is it a good idea? What type of exhaust fan
can be used for workshop? I don't think bathroom type exhaust fan is
suitable for workshop.
I got a 2 speed furnace squirrel cage and motor from plumber gratis.
Told them what was wanted and about 3 weeks later they called.
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:16:33 -0400, Eddie Munster
<[email protected]> wrote:
>This is a 20 dollar borg model, 50 cfm.
Well I am in the process of putting in a cheap bathroom fan for the
workshop. I have a DC with 1 micron bags and an air cleaner. I just want
to establish an air freshness gradient to help get out the smells. And
if something is being finished, more smells I will hang some plastic and
the area can be a low pressure area for the night sucking in ambient
house air. It will make up for it somewhere.
John
Bob Haar wrote:
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>I have an exhaust fan in my basement shop to help with what the dust
>collector misses and with any finishing fumes.
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What cfm fan did you use, and do you feel it is adequate, or more than
adequate? finishing fumes are my concern and I hate them filling up the
house at night. Well anytime actually.
John
Well I will open up another window. Older houses have amazing leaks.
outlets and wall swithces. Who has a proble when their bathroom or
kitchen fan runs??? Stains and polyurinate really smell up the house and
it is too cold it the garage in the winter. I was thinking of hanging a
peice of plastic to contain the area and have a small bathroom fan
evacuate to the outside. This is a 20 dollar borg model, 50 cfm. Llike
most cheap bathroom fans.I was thinking it will help a lot. It will exit
via a basement window. The iar cleaner does nothing for fumes.
John
Blair wrote:
>Hey John,
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>Doesn't your fine dust collector take any of those fumes out? I was
>thinking of getting one of them for my basement. I should also be trying to
>vent outside but if you vent the air outside, where does the make-up air
>come from? Could drive up the cost of heating this winter. Maybe I should
>look into one of those air exchangers that attempt to pre-heat the air.
>
>Blair
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>"Eddie Munster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>Bob Haar wrote:
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>>>I have an exhaust fan in my basement shop to help with what the dust
>>>collector misses and with any finishing fumes.
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>>What cfm fan did you use, and do you feel it is adequate, or more than
>>adequate? finishing fumes are my concern and I hate them filling up the
>>house at night. Well anytime actually.
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>>John
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Hey John,
Doesn't your fine dust collector take any of those fumes out? I was
thinking of getting one of them for my basement. I should also be trying to
vent outside but if you vent the air outside, where does the make-up air
come from? Could drive up the cost of heating this winter. Maybe I should
look into one of those air exchangers that attempt to pre-heat the air.
Blair
"Eddie Munster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
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> Bob Haar wrote:
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> >I have an exhaust fan in my basement shop to help with what the dust
> >collector misses and with any finishing fumes.
> >
> What cfm fan did you use, and do you feel it is adequate, or more than
> adequate? finishing fumes are my concern and I hate them filling up the
> house at night. Well anytime actually.
>
> John
>
On 2003/9/30 11:28 AM, "Sasha" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am struggling to solve the dust problem in my basement workshop.
> Currently it does not have any ventilation, although I have dust
> collector it does not eliminate dust fully. I am thinking about
> installing some sort of ceiling mounted exhaust fan to suck the dust
> from the workshop outside. Is it a good idea? What type of exhaust fan
> can be used for workshop? I don't think bathroom type exhaust fan is
> suitable for workshop.
There are a number of considerations involved.
First, an exhaust fan is not a replacement for dust collection. You say that
you have a dust collector. Make sure that you use it and that it is set up
to gather in as much as possible. Some tools have accessory hoods for use
with dust collectors. If so, it is well worth getting them. A bit of
ingenuity ( and trial-and-error) may improve their ability.
I have an exhaust fan in my basement shop to help with what the dust
collector misses and with any finishing fumes. Even though I use water based
finishes, the smell can still permeate the house.
If you use finishes that have flammable solvents, then you should look for
exhaust fans that are designed for use in explosive environments.
In any case, look for high volume fans. Don't worry about the noise. Usually
fans are rated in both areas. You want a rapid air turnover so high volume
is a must.
You must vent it to outside. I put the fan in my shop ceiling and ran metal
ducting to a vent in the outside wall. Depending on you situation, routing
the duct can be a challenge.
You msut provide a way for replacement air to enter. To get a god air flow,
you need more than the normal air leakage in most homes. You can probably
get by with opening a window in another part of the basement, but make sure
that you do open it and that there is a path for the air to get into you
workshop.
I purchased a kitchen exhaust fan in a Chinese grocery store (vastly greater
flow than at the borg, and better built too).It has a flow of 650 cfm verses
the borg type of 150 to 300 cfm. I put a disposable filter on it and I
ducted it outside. works great
"Sasha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am struggling to solve the dust problem in my basement workshop.
> Currently it does not have any ventilation, although I have dust
> collector it does not eliminate dust fully. I am thinking about
> installing some sort of ceiling mounted exhaust fan to suck the dust
> from the workshop outside. Is it a good idea? What type of exhaust fan
> can be used for workshop? I don't think bathroom type exhaust fan is
> suitable for workshop.
Sasha wrote:
> I am struggling to solve the dust problem in my basement workshop.
> Currently it does not have any ventilation, although I have dust
> collector it does not eliminate dust fully. I am thinking about
> installing some sort of ceiling mounted exhaust fan to suck the dust
> from the workshop outside. Is it a good idea? What type of exhaust fan
> can be used for workshop? I don't think bathroom type exhaust fan is
> suitable for workshop.
I've used exhaust fans and had some ideas of venting my basement when I
had one. I would suggest looking around for a sealed, non sparking motor
to begin with, and think about air intake somewhere else to assure the
air clears. The obvious choice is out a window opening and I would use a
side exhaust instead of overhead. The problem with overhead exhaust fans
in painting, and fine dust, is that the fan sucks everything under the
fan first. Any decrease in suction, or shutting off the fan allows the
crap in the air to fall on your project. You might try a large vacuum
bag arrangement, and put it on wheels, to move next to your project.
Sasha -
An inexpensive trick I've seen mentioned is to mount a square furnace filter
to an inexpensive box fan. If you use an allergy style filter it should get
the stuff the DC is missing. Use a wooden frame, or hell, duct tape....
Blow it out every once in a while or replace it...
Of course if you're dealing with fumes from solvents or finishes, it won't
do that, but it will get the smaller particulates. And for under $50,
prolly, you can't beat the price.
Hope this helps!
John Moorhead
"Sasha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am struggling to solve the dust problem in my basement workshop.
> Currently it does not have any ventilation, although I have dust
> collector it does not eliminate dust fully. I am thinking about
> installing some sort of ceiling mounted exhaust fan to suck the dust
> from the workshop outside. Is it a good idea? What type of exhaust fan
> can be used for workshop? I don't think bathroom type exhaust fan is
> suitable for workshop.
On 30 Sep 2003 08:28:02 -0700, [email protected] (Sasha) wrote:
>I am struggling to solve the dust problem in my basement workshop.
>Currently it does not have any ventilation, although I have dust
>collector it does not eliminate dust fully. I am thinking about
>installing some sort of ceiling mounted exhaust fan to suck the dust
>from the workshop outside. Is it a good idea? What type of exhaust fan
>can be used for workshop? I don't think bathroom type exhaust fan is
>suitable for workshop.
You didn't say anything about filtering. Just trying to blow or suck
the dust out is not always the best answer. A filtering system is
designed to filter your air. Always blowing your air outside means
that it has to be replaced from somewhere. This may be okay in the
summertime, but in the winter it could mean blowing a lot of your warm
house air outside. In my garage which is not heated this would not be
a problem but i would hate to think what it would do to my light bill
if I just exhausted the air continuously out of my basement. I think a
recirculating filter system would be a better (econimical) answer for
indoors. It would no doubt cost more initially but the end saving on
the electric bill could be significant.
Ken
"Eddie Munster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well I am in the process of putting in a cheap bathroom fan for the
> workshop. I have a DC with 1 micron bags and an air cleaner. I just want
> to establish an air freshness gradient to help get out the smells. And
> if something is being finished, more smells I will hang some plastic and
> the area can be a low pressure area for the night sucking in ambient
> house air. It will make up for it somewhere.
>
> John
You will be greatly dissapointed. Those things are meant to pull farts out
of very small spaces, and they don't do a very good of that. You will not
be able to tell when it is on or off, except for the noise.
My personal favorite is a blower out of a furnace. I have a 12 inch
heating duct hooked to the outlet, and the other end of the duct ends in a
piece of plywood that fits in a double hung window, when I raise it.
I can position the fan near the dust, or smell, and it nicely grabs it all,
and sends it on it's way.
--
Jim in NC
"leonard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I purchased a kitchen exhaust fan in a Chinese grocery store (vastly
greater
> flow than at the borg, and better built too).It has a flow of 650 cfm
verses
> the borg type of 150 to 300 cfm. I put a disposable filter on it and I
> ducted it outside. works great
Look up OSHA standards for air turnover times for airborne dust control.
Unless you have a very small shop, 650 cfm is no where near enough.
--
Jim in NC