Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> We moved into a new place not too long ago, and for
> the first time I'm getting condensation on my table saw
> and joiner in the mornings. What's the easy answer? A
> quilt or blanket over the top?
> Thanks,
> Michael
I cover all my big tools with moving blankets and usually
leave the window open a crack. This has worked great for
me as I haven't gotten any new rust on the covered tools
(although I have on some other uncovered tools). It
probably also depends on your location -- southern Idaho
is pretty dry.
Lance
Try a fan running 24/7 in the vicinity and see if that stops the
condensation, plus use of TopCote on machined surfaces.
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"Michael" wrote in message
> We moved into a new place not too long ago, and for
> the first time I'm getting condensation on my table saw
> and joiner in the mornings. What's the easy answer? A
> quilt or blanket over the top?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
"Michael" wrote ...
> We moved into a new place not too long ago, and for
> the first time I'm getting condensation on my table saw
> and joiner in the mornings. What's the easy answer? A
> quilt or blanket over the top?
Absolutely not! The blanket will trap the moisture against the surface and
accelerate the rusting process. I've seen it happen. Your best bet is to
protect the surfaces with a coat of good paste wax and try to dehumidify the
air. You could buy a dehumidifier but first I would probably try a bucket
of that chemical they use on boats. You buy it in marine supply stores.
When you get it into the shop you just take the top off and it is supposed
to suck up the moisture in the place. You might want to make sure there
aren't any cracks or openings where a lot of air is leaking into the shop
(or you'll be trying to dehumidify your whole neighborhood) and place the
pail somewhere near both the tablesaw and jointer. Eventually, insulation
and a vapor barrier will help as well, if you haven't already got them.
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In article <[email protected]>, "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:
>We moved into a new place not too long ago, and for
>the first time I'm getting condensation on my table saw
>and joiner in the mornings. What's the easy answer? A
>quilt or blanket over the top?
Absolutely not -- that will trap moisture against the top and accelerate rust
formation.
To prevent condensation, you need to reduce the relative humidity in the shop.
This is done by (a) reducing the moisture content of the air in the shop, or
(b) raising its temperature.
(a) is best achieved with a dehumidifier, but first try a fan, exhausted
outside the shop -- it's cheaper to purchase and to operate. If the fan does
the job, no need to spend big bucks on a dehumidifier. If you do need to get a
dehumidifier, Whirlpool makes some pretty good ones: quiet, not too expensive,
made in the USA.
(b) is achieved in the obvious manner: with a heater.
(b)
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I'd be more concerned with finding the source of the condensation or at
least solving the problem with a dehumidifier. The table saw surface isn't
the only thing that can be adversely effected by condensation.
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"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We moved into a new place not too long ago, and for
> the first time I'm getting condensation on my table saw
> and joiner in the mornings. What's the easy answer? A
> quilt or blanket over the top?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
I think if you put either of those you will be in for a big surprise
-more rust without question. I make a practice of never leave anything
on the cast iron. Anything seems to attract moisture and rust/discolor
the top. If you get condensation, maybe plastic would work to stop
that. You also should protect the top with something like topcote
spray, this is what I use but there are others as well.
Mike Coonrod
Michael wrote:
> We moved into a new place not too long ago, and for
> the first time I'm getting condensation on my table saw
> and joiner in the mornings. What's the easy answer? A
> quilt or blanket over the top?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
<[email protected]> wrote in message
> Spoken like a true ignoramus.
My my ... how ad hominen little minds can get when called upon to defend
their twaddle.
>Ventilation works by 'moving out' the high
> moisture-content air, and replacing it with (hopefully) lower moisture-
> content air. This is one 'possible' way to accomplish method #2 --
"reduce
> the absolute humidity." *ASSUMING* that the replacement air _is_ lower
<unscientific BS snipped>
Prattling all day about condensation in a mixed up, confused, unscientific
and illogical manner doesn't solve the problem, nor shed any light on what
to do about it in a wood shop environment where conditions vary from
location to location, day to day, season to season.
Nonetheless, anyone so stupid, as you have seemingly done, to discount
outright the fact that "Ventilation" may possibly play a BIG part in a
simple solution to the problem, deserves exactly what you get ... rust.
Now take your name calling attitude and stick it up your ass.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Michael Daly <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>What would silica gel do? I see this is now sold in pet stores
>to add to cat litter.
>
>If you put a tray of silica gel over the table (but not resting
>directly on it) and under a tarp, do you think it would have much
>value? I'd still use topcote or something.
>
>Mike
Silica gel, and other dessicants, are *only* effective in something "close"
to a sealed enclosure. It can only absorb a 'limited' amount of moisture,
and, once that amount has been absorbed, it is _exactly_ as if the gel wasn't
there at all.
There are exactly *three* ways to prevent condensation rusting:
1) no 'bare metal' exposed to the condensation -- coated with wax,
TopCote, Boeshield, or 'something else', that prevents any
condensate from contacting the metal.
2) keep the *absolute* humidity low enough that condensation doesn't
occur. (this is what silica gel does, in a "sealed" environment)
3) keep the temperature _high_ enough that condensation doesn't occur.
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Well, not really, given your misuse of terminology.
Say what? I stayed far from "terminology" on purpose.
>
> In practical terms we can avoid the dewpoint by warming the air -
> effectively dehumidifying by lowering the RH, moving the air, thereby
> minimizing condensation, or actually dehumidifying, by reducing the
absolute
> humidity.
>
> To say that condensation depends on absolute humidity as you did in an
> earlier post, without relating it to temperature will only mislead the
> unknowing and cause snickers among the knowing.
You got both the wrong string AND the wrong yo yo, Dude ... literally.
Check your sources again, you'll clearly see I never mentioned anything of
the sort.
I purposely never mentioned anything more technical than the words
"ventilation" and "condensation".
>
> "Ventilation" is misleading as well, since all that is required is motion
in
> the air, not any type of exchange.
>
> Other than that, you're doing OK.
Thanks ... but point that gun elsewhere. ;>)
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"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, not really, given your misuse of terminology.
Say what? I stayed far from "terminology" on purpose.
>
> In practical terms we can avoid the dewpoint by warming the air -
> effectively dehumidifying by lowering the RH, moving the air, thereby
> minimizing condensation, or actually dehumidifying, by reducing the
absolute
> humidity.
>
> To say that condensation depends on absolute humidity as you did in an
> earlier post, without relating it to temperature will only mislead the
> unknowing and cause snickers among the knowing.
You got both the wrong string AND the wrong yo yo, Dude ... literally.
Check your sources again, you'll clearly see I never mentioned anything of
the sort.
I purposely never mentioned anything more technical than the words
"ventilation" and "condensation".
>
> "Ventilation" is misleading as well, since all that is required is motion
in
> the air, not any type of exchange.
>
> Other than that, you're doing OK.
Thanks ... but point that gun elsewhere. ;>)
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Mike Coonrod notes:
>f you get condensation, maybe plastic would work to stop
>that. You also should protect the top with something like topcote
>spray, this is what I use but there are others as well.
No to the plastic if he's getting condensation: it will simply hold more water
on its underside.
Best bet: HTC makes some special tool covers that do a superb job. And then add
the Topcote, wax, other protector. I once stored a table saw outdoors, using
Boeshield T9 (2 coats, neither polished out), and covering it with a top grade
canvas/vinyl coated tarp that was flocked on its down side. I put the tarp over
1" styrofoam. Left the saw out all winter and into the spring. Uncovered it and
found my only screw-up was in not sealing the tarp seam, which left a bit of a
rust line under the styrofoam.
Charlie Self
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
Thomas J. Watson
I am well informed on the principles of condensation and rust, thanks.
As a practical matter to woodworkers, we have three basic tools that can go
a long way toward keeping rust under control in our shops ... a rust
preventative on machined surfaces, ventilation, and de-humidifying the air
in some manner.
Sometimes one method is enough, more often a combination of two or more is
sufficient. Sometimes it takes all three, and then success may not be
guaranteed given the wide range of factors and climates we operate in.
As in solving any problem, use of the most efficient and readily available
tool at your disposal is the most intelligent course of action to try and
solve the problem ... often the solution can be as simple as keeping a fan
running in the shop during those times of year that cause the most problem.
Something that simple is certainly worth trying, along with the use of
TopCote, etc... as I boringly indicated in another thread.
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"George" wrote in message
> OK, dewpoint and dew deposition, are what we're interested in, if you want
> to be precise.
>
> Don't want your machine below the dewpoint - relative humidity 100% - but,
> as we know, if it's not far below, air movement will keep the grass dry,
as
> it will with your machine. That's why still air under a cover isn't the
> best idea given.
OK, dewpoint and dew deposition, are what we're interested in, if you want
to be precise.
Don't want your machine below the dewpoint - relative humidity 100% - but,
as we know, if it's not far below, air movement will keep the grass dry, as
it will with your machine. That's why still air under a cover isn't the
best idea given.
I go with dehumidification, because it won't matter much if you've the
shiniest tools around if your wood is saturated. It also circulates air,
and can be controlled so it's only on when required. Drawback is, it works
poorly at low ambient temperatures. More info needed there. Could be
warmer's the first part. Consider also that you're going to culture some
nice spores in a damp area, and a lot of them are less than healthy for you.
Matter of fact, I dehumidify in my shop in the summer. Now, with dewpoints
in the low 30 range, and interior at 70, things are pretty dry.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Like most absolute statements, misleading at best. "Ventilation", one of
key
> components of preventing condensation in every scientific study of the
> subject, is not even mentioned.
>
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>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > There are exactly *three* ways to prevent condensation rusting:
> > 1) no 'bare metal' exposed to the condensation -- coated with wax,
> > TopCote, Boeshield, or 'something else', that prevents any
> > condensate from contacting the metal.
> > 2) keep the *absolute* humidity low enough that condensation doesn't
> > occur. (this is what silica gel does, in a "sealed" environment)
> > 3) keep the temperature _high_ enough that condensation doesn't occur.
>
>
Well, not really, given your misuse of terminology.
In practical terms we can avoid the dewpoint by warming the air -
effectively dehumidifying by lowering the RH, moving the air, thereby
minimizing condensation, or actually dehumidifying, by reducing the absolute
humidity.
To say that condensation depends on absolute humidity as you did in an
earlier post, without relating it to temperature will only mislead the
unknowing and cause snickers among the knowing.
"Ventilation" is misleading as well, since all that is required is motion in
the air, not any type of exchange.
Other than that, you're doing OK.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am well informed on the principles of condensation and rust, thanks.
>
> As a practical matter to woodworkers, we have three basic tools that can
go
> a long way toward keeping rust under control in our shops ... a rust
> preventative on machined surfaces, ventilation, and de-humidifying the air
> in some manner.
>
> Sometimes one method is enough, more often a combination of two or more is
> sufficient. Sometimes it takes all three, and then success may not be
> guaranteed given the wide range of factors and climates we operate in.
>
> As in solving any problem, use of the most efficient and readily available
> tool at your disposal is the most intelligent course of action to try and
> solve the problem ... often the solution can be as simple as keeping a fan
> running in the shop during those times of year that cause the most
problem.
>
> Something that simple is certainly worth trying, along with the use of
> TopCote, etc... as I boringly indicated in another thread.
>
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>
>
> "George" wrote in message
> > OK, dewpoint and dew deposition, are what we're interested in, if you
want
> > to be precise.
> >
> > Don't want your machine below the dewpoint - relative humidity 100% -
but,
> > as we know, if it's not far below, air movement will keep the grass dry,
> as
> > it will with your machine. That's why still air under a cover isn't the
> > best idea given.
>
>
In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>Like most absolute statements, misleading at best. "Ventilation", one of key
>components of preventing condensation in every scientific study of the
>subject, is not even mentioned.
Spoken like a true ignoramus. Ventilation works by 'moving out' the high
moisture-content air, and replacing it with (hopefully) lower moisture-
content air. This is one 'possible' way to accomplish method #2 -- "reduce
the absolute humidity." *ASSUMING* that the replacement air _is_ lower
in absolute humidity than the previous air, that is.
"Ventilation" _can_, in some circumstances, make the problem _worse_. i.e.,
where you are pulling warm moist air into a much cooler space.
Just "moving the air around", e.g., where you 'replace' existent air
with other air of the same R.H. and temperature, doesn't do squat for
a condensation (and subsequent rusting) problem.
The _physics_ of condensation are "well known". It occurs when the absolute
humidity of the atmosphere is higher than the saturation point for water vapor
_at_the_temperature_of_the_object_. If that condition is present, condensation
occurs; If not, it doesn't. The process *is* just that simple.
You prevent condensation from occurring by keeping the absolute humidity
of the air below the saturation point of the "cooler object", or by
keeping the temperature of that object above the 'dew point' for the
current absolute humidity level.
There simply _aren't_ any other factors to play with.
>
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>
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> There are exactly *three* ways to prevent condensation rusting:
>> 1) no 'bare metal' exposed to the condensation -- coated with wax,
>> TopCote, Boeshield, or 'something else', that prevents any
>> condensate from contacting the metal.
>> 2) keep the *absolute* humidity low enough that condensation doesn't
>> occur. (this is what silica gel does, in a "sealed" environment)
>> 3) keep the temperature _high_ enough that condensation doesn't occur.
>
>
George wrote:
> "Ventilation" is misleading as well, since all that is required is motion
> in the air, not any type of exchange.
"Agitation" then?
I slept through science class when we were talking about meteorological
stuff, and I have no clue how any of this stuff about "dewpoint" and
"relative humidity" really interacts. I _can_ say that I started leaving
my box fan running all the time, and I can pretty much just leave all my
metal stuff unwaxed and ignored without any nasty surprises the next
morning. Rain or shine, warm or cold, humid or dry, doesn't seem to
matter. I've been leaving some stuff sitting out just to see if it will
rust, and so far, so good. It's a total shift from the way things were
before, where anything unwaxed would be covered in rust after just one
night.
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Like most absolute statements, misleading at best. "Ventilation", one of key
components of preventing condensation in every scientific study of the
subject, is not even mentioned.
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
> There are exactly *three* ways to prevent condensation rusting:
> 1) no 'bare metal' exposed to the condensation -- coated with wax,
> TopCote, Boeshield, or 'something else', that prevents any
> condensate from contacting the metal.
> 2) keep the *absolute* humidity low enough that condensation doesn't
> occur. (this is what silica gel does, in a "sealed" environment)
> 3) keep the temperature _high_ enough that condensation doesn't occur.
Actually, George is wrong ... "ventilation" in the sense I've used it in
this thread is not misleading in the least and contending otherwise is
purely a semantics based argument for the sake of same.
Moving air across the surface of your tools is "ventilation" of that surface
in _any_ sense of the word.
Your experience with a fan (ventilation) verifies what I've been saying in
this thread, as well as my own experience in a couple of different shop
climates with keeping a fan running. I live in Houston (read high RH/wild
temp swings), and have NO rust problems in my shop... it ain't by accident.
It certainly won't work in every situation, climate, or circumstance, but it
is inarguably an economical and cost effective way in those
climates/environments where it does work, and certainly worth trying, in
combination with other efforts.
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"Silvan" wrote in message
> George wrote:
>
> > "Ventilation" is misleading as well, since all that is required is
motion
> > in the air, not any type of exchange.
>
> "Agitation" then?
>
> I slept through science class when we were talking about meteorological
> stuff, and I have no clue how any of this stuff about "dewpoint" and
> "relative humidity" really interacts. I _can_ say that I started leaving
> my box fan running all the time, and I can pretty much just leave all my
> metal stuff unwaxed and ignored without any nasty surprises the next
> morning. Rain or shine, warm or cold, humid or dry, doesn't seem to
> matter. I've been leaving some stuff sitting out just to see if it will
> rust, and so far, so good. It's a total shift from the way things were
> before, where anything unwaxed would be covered in rust after just one
> night.
>
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>
> Michael wrote:
>> We moved into a new place not too long ago, and for
>> the first time I'm getting condensation on my table saw
>> and joiner .....
> Charlie Self wrote:
>... I once stored a table saw outdoors, using
> Boeshield T9 (2 coats, neither polished out),
Boeing does seem to put an amount of r&d into their products.
I think your first move would be to determine the mechanism causing the
condensation. Where's this moisture coming from and what is allowing the
equipment to chill at night and then exposing them to warm air. Is your
shop heated by a central heating system and your thermostat programmable?
If you have a moisture problem and wood being a sponge you may
eventually have more problems than only rusty tools.
It's amazing how little it takes to keep something from rusting. I set
the Craftsman TS on the deck to keep from contaminating the shop with
pressure treat while making the decks handrails. I gave the top a good
coat of furniture polish/ wax (whatever the Wife had on hand) and
covered it with a plastic "drop cloth" that went to the deck and wrapped
a rope around it to keep the 'cloth' from blowing off. Then it rained
for 20 out of the next 24 days. The top remained surprisingly rust free.
YMMV.
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Wed, Nov 5, 2003, 6:28pm (EST-3) [email protected] (Morgans)
says:
Just keeping air movig will help. Condensation forms due to the warm
moist air hitting the cold saw. Keep the saw the same temp, and no more
condensation.
Sounds good anyway. I keep a window open in my shop 24/7 while
it's warm. Still open for now. Don't get condensation. Keep it closed
when it gets cool. No condensation then either. Just east of Raleigh,
NC. I never did see where the original poster is.
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T. wrote:
> Sounds good anyway. I keep a window open in my shop 24/7 while
> it's warm. Still open for now. Don't get condensation. Keep it closed
> when it gets cool. No condensation then either. Just east of Raleigh,
> NC. I never did see where the original poster is.
I somehow figured you for a flatlander.
Seems like half this group lives somewhere east of Raleigh.
Well, I guess if I were going to live in that general area, I'd go east too.
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Thu, Nov 6, 2003, 12:01am [email protected] (Silvan) says:
I somehow figured you for a flatlander. <snip>
Not really. Actually, my drive exits between two hills. After a
really hard snowfall, not unusual to be unable to get up either one for
a day or two. No prob. Nice neighborhood, none of the neighbors visit,
or talk to me. LOL
JOAT
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T. wrote:
> Thu, Nov 6, 2003, 12:01am [email protected] (Silvan) says:
> I somehow figured you for a flatlander. <snip>
>
> Not really. Actually, my drive exits between two hills. After a
> really hard snowfall, not unusual to be unable to get up either one for
> a day or two. No prob. Nice neighborhood, none of the neighbors visit,
> or talk to me. LOL
If it's east of Raleigh, it ain't a hill. Maybe a bump in the terrain. :)
Sad thing about that comment is I agree with you 100% on my neighborhood. I
guess I'm just a hermit or something.
Plus some of *my* neighbors think the state cut down all the trees between
them and the sound barrier wall and built a pedestrian crossing bridge over
to the park purely at *my* behedst. Yeah, I swing a lot of weight with
VDOT and the governor. Sure. That's why I live at the base of a 30' high
concrete wall.
One of them flips me the bird and blows his horn every time he drives by.
Wonderful neighbors.
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Silvan responds:
>Plus some of *my* neighbors think the state cut down all the trees between
>them and the sound barrier wall and built a pedestrian crossing bridge over
>to the park purely at *my* behedst. Yeah, I swing a lot of weight with
>VDOT and the governor. Sure. That's why I live at the base of a 30' high
>concrete wall.
>
>One of them flips me the bird and blows his horn every time he drives by.
>Wonderful neighbors.
Ain't college towns wonderful?
Charlie Self
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
Thomas J. Watson
Charlie Self wrote:
>>One of them flips me the bird and blows his horn every time he drives by.
>>Wonderful neighbors.
>
> Ain't college towns wonderful?
It's better now that the road to the frat house is on the other side of the
highway. For awhile, it went right up my street to a little access road.
I was out there in my underwear at three in the morning waving a claymore
around at the punk bastards for drag racing down my street.
The guy in the red pickup who flips me off isn't a college kid though. I
think he's lived here longer than I have. I moved in just a couple years
before they started the road mess, so I guess in his mind I brought it with
me.
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Silvan notes:
>I was out there in my underwear at three in the morning waving a claymore
>around at the punk bastards for drag racing down my street.
>
>The guy in the red pickup who flips me off isn't a college kid though. I
>think he's lived here longer than I have. I moved in just a couple years
>before they started the road mess, so I guess in his mind I brought it with
>me.
>
Crazy assed Scot. The guy actually should bitch at Frank Beamer. Beamer has a
lot to live down. I drive that 460 loop to I81 about every 6 weeks, and it is a
time saver, but I think I'd shoot myself rather than go through there on a game
day.
Charlie Self
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
Thomas J. Watson
Charlie Self wrote:
> Silvan notes:
>
>>I was out there in my underwear at three in the morning waving a claymore
>>around at the punk bastards for drag racing down my street.
> Crazy assed Scot.
Thank you! :)
> The guy actually should bitch at Frank Beamer. Beamer
No argument there.
> has a lot to live down. I drive that 460 loop to I81 about every 6 weeks,
> and it is a time saver, but I think I'd shoot myself rather than go
> through there on a game day.
Could have been a time saver also if it had just gone straight to I-81 from
Blacksburg. I think the $40 billion Smart Road will do that eventually,
but nobody is allowed to drive on it yet, and nobody will want to drive on
it anyway because of the automatic speeding tickets and other innovations
we could just live without.
Anyway, next time you're driving on the inside of The Wall, just think of me
down below. Maybe honk, so I can flip you the bird and wave my claymore at
you. :)
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Thu, Nov 6, 2003, 11:49pm [email protected] (Silvan) says:
<snip> wave my claymore at you. :)
Ah, now I realize you were talking about a sword. Generation gap.
I was thinking claymore mine.
Uh, I hope you meant sword.
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 8 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
Mon, Nov 10, 2003, 2:38am (EST+5) [email protected] (Gfretwell)
says:
As long as he is waving it at you there isn't much danger but when he
sticks it in the ground and ducks for cover with the trigger in his hand
.. watch out
There are idiots out there who actually would fire one while
holding it. Probably comes from watching war movies.
At one point, in Nam, young troops would toss a grenade in a
window, and then put their back to the wall beside the window, waiting
for the grenade to go off. That only works with a real thick wall.
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 8 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
Mark Jerde wrote:
>> SWMBO won't let me buy a set of bagpipes.
>>
>> Won't let me buy a banjo either. :(
>
> "The Saint John's School of Divinity Bagpipe and Banjo Marching Band." My
> mind's ear is bleeding. <g>
LMAO!! Just tune your mind's ear to this... Loch Lomond mixed with Dueling
Banjos.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
'Mac',
Just look them in the eye and say, {with appropriate accent};
"I pity any man who hears the Pipes and werrrn't aborn in Scotland !!"
Regards,
Ron Magen
{No, not a Scot, but married to one for the last 30 years. Her sept badge;
"Touch not the Cat but a Glove" certainly fits. We traced her family
{Smith}back to McPherson. Must have had a premonition; I had gotten a REAL
kilt a few years before we met and wore it to my college graduation. For
once, 'ahead of the fashion curve', if the latest trend is to be believed}
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> T. wrote:
>
> > Thu, Nov 6, 2003, 11:49pm [email protected] (Silvan) says:
> > <snip> wave my claymore at you. :)
> >
> > Ah, now I realize you were talking about a sword. Generation gap.
SNIP
T. wrote:
> Thu, Nov 6, 2003, 11:49pm [email protected] (Silvan) says:
> <snip> wave my claymore at you. :)
>
> Ah, now I realize you were talking about a sword. Generation gap.
> I was thinking claymore mine.
>
> Uh, I hope you meant sword.
The nasty things filled with ball bearings, right? THIS SIDE TOWARD ENEMY.
I've heard about them, if that's what I'm thinking about. (OK, OK, you got
me, I probably read about them in a Tom Clancy novel. I'm only 31 years
old, and I'm one of those namby pamby candy ass pussy wimps who never had
enough balls to join the military.)
No, I was talking about a big two-handed broadsword. Not so much a
generation gap (though there is one) as a cultural thing. I've spent a lot
of time looking into my heritage. Probably something to do with being the
only McIntyre in a town where everyone is named Price, Linkous, Martin or
Self, and anyone who isn't is bully fodder.
(Hey, I wonder if Charlie has people here. Probably does. If so, he has a
cousin who's a beligerant looking cowboy cop. :)
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Silvan writes:
>I was talking about a big two-handed broadsword. Not so much a
>generation gap (though there is one) as a cultural thing. I've spent a lot
>of time looking into my heritage. Probably something to do with being the
>only McIntyre in a town where everyone is named Price, Linkous, Martin or
>Self, and anyone who isn't is bully fodder.
>
>(Hey, I wonder if Charlie has people here. Probably does. If so, he has a
>cousin who's a beligerant looking cowboy cop. :)
Damifino. There's a bigger bunch of us than I used to believe, but whether
we're all related (possible, maybe even probable) is not known. Like Will Self,
out in Billings (who is now out of ICU), we would probably call each other
"cuzzin."
Charlie Self
"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same
function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of
things." Sir Winston Churchill
Charlie Self wrote:
> Damifino. There's a bigger bunch of us than I used to believe, but whether
> we're all related (possible, maybe even probable) is not known. Like Will
> Self, out in Billings (who is now out of ICU), we would probably call each
> other "cuzzin."
Yeah, well, the other David Michael McIntyre who's a professor at Oxford
might be my cousin too, but I'm thinking these local Selfs might be more
closely related to you if you hale from this area originally.
Not that it really matters. We're all cousins, since our DNA is closer to
each other's than it is to chimpanzees... :)
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Ron Magen wrote:
> 'Mac',
> Just look them in the eye and say, {with appropriate accent};
> "I pity any man who hears the Pipes and werrrn't aborn in Scotland !!"
SWMBO won't let me buy a set of bagpipes.
Won't let me buy a banjo either. :(
> {No, not a Scot, but married to one for the last 30 years. Her sept badge;
> "Touch not the Cat but a Glove" certainly fits. We traced her family
> {Smith}back to McPherson. Must have had a premonition; I had gotten a REAL
> kilt a few years before we met and wore it to my college graduation. For
> once, 'ahead of the fashion curve', if the latest trend is to be believed}
I'd have a kilt if I had lots of money laying around, but only a few mills
weave the McIntyre tartan, and it would cost me close to a grand. All the
clothes I've owned in the last 20 years probably don't add up to that much.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
'Mac',
Don't necessarily need to 'own' them.
The local 'teen twits' started their dammed skateboarding in the street last
year - when it was 'improved' {they NEVER get better, just make a lot of
noise - yet the 7-year olds 'down the street & around he corner' go over
2-foot high ramps smooth as silk !!}.
When it reaches a certain level I have the choice of several Bagpipe
records/CD's and two LARGE speakers for the front windows.
Regards,
Ron
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ron Magen wrote:
>
> > 'Mac',
> > Just look them in the eye and say, {with appropriate accent};
> > "I pity any man who hears the Pipes and werrrn't aborn in Scotland
!!"
>
> SWMBO won't let me buy a set of bagpipes.
>
> Won't let me buy a banjo either. :(
>
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:48:48 GMT, "Michael" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>We moved into a new place not too long ago, and for
>the first time I'm getting condensation on my table saw
>and joiner in the mornings. What's the easy answer? A
>quilt or blanket over the top?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael
Yep...that should do it.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!