For those who are not aware of Google's free eBooks, let me recommend them
for furniture styles and hand tool woodworking. Hundreds of titles from the
19th and early 20th centuries.
Search: furniture
Click: more
Click: books
Click: Free Google eBooks (about halfway down the menu column)
These books can be downloaded in pdf format. Ping me if you need help.
LD
On Apr 6, 7:19=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... Steam Powered Aeroplane, anyone? =A0:)
>
Not bloody likely. People on the flight-path would bitch and complain
when those steam powered planes would blow their whistles on approach
of the runway.
On 04/06/2011 01:47 PM, chaniarts wrote:
> Han wrote:
>> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 4/6/11 8:33 AM, Han wrote:
>>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any
>>>>> similar tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these
>>>>> days. ;)
>>>>
>>>> That's the problem, it's not a fullfledged computer ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> So what? What problem? It was never meant to be.
>>> What's a "fullfledged computer" anyways?
>>> My phone does a lot more than my first "fullfledged computer."
>>
>> I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word,
>> Excel, Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
>
> a lot of those are available in the cloud somewhere, so all you need is a
> browser. so yes.
>
>
http://docs.google.com/
On 2011-04-06 16:01:15 -0400, Han <[email protected]> said:
> I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word,
> Excel, Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
Yes -- between ilife and iWork, those functions are pretty well
covered. iWork contains Pages, which equates to Word (and will save
files as Word .docs and open .docx), Numbers, which equates to Excel
(and will save files as .xls and open .xlsx), and Keynote, which
equates to Powerpoint (and etc. ...).
If full compatibility with the Microsoft apps files is necessary, then
you'll find Apple's programs miss, but not by much... page geometry in
layouts down with Word breaks (but Word ISN't, no matter how hard the
world tries, a layout program!). Powerpoints with sound generally
remain mute. Excel files are just gonna look different, but most of the
world just uses Excel to build minimally functional databases, not
spreadsheets, don't they?
In terms of a presentation program, Keynote beats the hell out of
Powerpoint, if for nothing else that you can place an image on one
page, change the size and position of the image on the following page,
and marvel that the program animates the transformation on the page
transition. You have to see this to believe it!
iLife contains iPhoto, photo database cum photo editor, iMovie, a
fairly powerful video editor, and Garage Band, a music production tool
that, apparently, really shines on the iPad.
There are 3rd party apps that come closer to Photoshop's capability
than does iPhoto, though iPhoto does a respectable job of the common
photo enhancements like fixing red eye, lightening an underexposed
photo, or improving color in a photo.
Nope, I don't have an iPad. I have used the iWord products pretty
frequently to open files sent by clients using more recent versions on
MS Office apps than I have access to, but I only need the data from
those files, not the client's (generally awful) formatting.
One final benefit of the iPad, regardless of program functionality:
they seem to keep small children quiet and engaged for lengthy periods
of time. Don't you have grandchildren, Han?
On 2011-04-06 19:19:15 -0400, Swingman <[email protected]> said:
> John Gage of Sun was prescient when he uttered the phrase "... the
> network is the computer ..." With the advent of cloud computing, the
> "net" is indeed quickly "becoming the computer" and it won't be long
> before you won't need local copies of programs like Photoshop ... as
> above, you don't need most Office Suite software as we speak, which can
> be accessed on the cloud via any device that can run an http client.
yeahbut. If you're on a data plan (this applies more to phones and
tablets) that limits the amount of data before you start racking up
surprise chages, well, SURPRISE!
Also worth considering: upload/download speeds. If you're on dial-up,
you're gonna find anything other than text sux. If you're on cable and
all your neighbors are streaming movies, you're also gonna find that
anything other than text sux.
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:01:45 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>
>>>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day
>>>> operations.
>>>
>>> I was kidding of course!
>>> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible
>>> expense
>>> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
>>
>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
>> tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
>
>I have a tablet that runs the Android OS. Google makes Android. Google makes
>SketchUp.
>
>Rassssberrry! :o)
What are you guys paying for voice/data packages per month?
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On Apr 6, 10:18=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:55:45 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
> >> Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote in
>
> >>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day operati=
ons.
>
> >> I was kidding of course!
> >> I believe it from what I've heard about it. =A0It's NOT a deductible e=
xpense
> >> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
>
> >At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
> >tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. =A0;)
>
> I'd love to see someone design an entire kitchen on a 4" screen.
>
> --
> Some people are like Slinkies ... not really good for
> anything, but you can't help smiling when you see one
> tumble down the stairs.
I think the screen is big enough, ( it *is* way bigger than a 4") but
when drawing, I would need something a bit more precise than my fat
fingers... something like a pen. I do know that the 'touch' type
screens do not have the resolution of a proper CAD tablet.
The new iPad2 has a trapdoor for a mini card. Who knows what we'll be
able to load in down the road...
That just got me thinking... when is somebody going to write an app
that will let you use an iPad as a tablet to input to a CAD system.
Via WiFi even, assuming it has enough resolution. (Not video
resolution, but the overlay (touch) resolution.)
After using it as an input to CAD, then you could save your rendering
to the iPad.
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 22:19:15 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:01:45 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
>>>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>
>>>>>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day
>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was kidding of course!
>>>>> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible
>>>>> expense
>>>>> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
>>>>
>>>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
>>>> tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
>>>
>>>I have a tablet that runs the Android OS. Google makes Android. Google
>>>makes
>>>SketchUp.
>>>
>>>Rassssberrry! :o)
>>
>> What are you guys paying for voice/data packages per month?
>
>Mine is Frontier (formerly Verizon). Pay $99 for phone/net/tv with unlimited
>domestic long distance. Was worried about Frontier taking over but so far -
>knock wood - everything's been OK. From my perspective, Verizon Service was
>terrific and Frontier inherited the people. Had the internet and got the tv
>as soon as they had the line. Comcast SUCKED.
Do you have limited local phone hours, or Internet?
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On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day operations.
>
> I was kidding of course!
> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible expense
> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 4/8/2011 3:58 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 06:15:49 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 4/7/2011 6:38 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>> What are you guys paying for voice/data packages per month?
>>
>> My business DroidX smartphone, unlimited data/1300 voice, with all the
>> taxes and gotcha's, is consistently +/- $123/month (which includes the
>> mandatory $20/month unlimited data plan).
>
> OUCH!
Not bad for a business account. Our internet company phone bill for two
was in the range of $800/mo about ten years ago.
>
>> My iPad2 (actually assigned a 10 digit phone number by Verizon for 3G
>> cellular data) is $20/month for 1 GB data; no contract, can be turned
>> off or on at will and you can pony up for more in advance as needed (an
>> extra $15/month gets you 3GB data, etc.)
>
> Is this an add-on to the Droid account?
Nope, separate account ... and managed from the device itself only.
>> uVerse high speed internet for home/home office is $65/month for
>> unlimited/18GB download speed, with built-in wireless router in the RG.
>
> 18Mbps, not GB. But my query was primarily for smart phone packages.
Tip of the slung ... too many typing "3G".
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 4/7/2011 6:38 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> What are you guys paying for voice/data packages per month?
My business DroidX smartphone, unlimited data/1300 voice, with all the
taxes and gotcha's, is consistently +/- $123/month (which includes the
mandatory $20/month unlimited data plan).
My iPad2 (actually assigned a 10 digit phone number by Verizon for 3G
cellular data) is $20/month for 1 GB data; no contract, can be turned
off or on at will and you can pony up for more in advance as needed (an
extra $15/month gets you 3GB data, etc.)
With the iPad, I keep the Cellular turned off 98% of the time. I average
about 200MB of 3G cellular data through the device each month, well
below the 1GB max. (there is a cellular data usage monitor built-into
the iPad). Use the iPad with WiFi whenever possible, either my own at
home/office, or a clients location, and 3G only as needed when no WiFi
is available (in a large urban area some type of WiFi is available
almost everywhere you go these days ... hell, my phone sees available
networks when stopped at red lights/traffic.)
uVerse high speed internet for home/home office is $65/month for
unlimited/18GB download speed, with built-in wireless router in the RG.
Wife and daughter use their "WiFi only" iPads at home and work ... they
are both big NetFlix fans and watch movies/videos on their iPads almost
nightly over the uVerse WiFi at home at no extra data cost ... so far).
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>> For those who are not aware of Google's free eBooks, let me recommend
>>> them for furniture styles and hand tool woodworking. Hundreds of titles
>>> from the 19th and early 20th centuries.
>>>
>>> Search: furniture
>>> Click: more
>>> Click: books
>>> Click: Free Google eBooks (about halfway down the menu column)
>>>
>>> These books can be downloaded in pdf format. Ping me if you need help.
>>>
>>> LD
>>
>> Following your directions, I quickly ran across:
>>
>> The practical cabinet maker and furniture designer's assistant: with
>> essays ... By Frederick Thomas Hodgson
>>
>> I only read the preface, but it was an interesting read (on the old versus
>> the new--and in this case, new is about 1910). Interesting stuff.
>>
>> Bill
>
>
> Yeah, you can learn a lot from some of this stuff. I haven't seen a treasure
> trove like this since I worked in a large library 50 years ago! Picked up an
> Illustrated History of the Civil War a few days ago. I knew google had free
> eBooks, but just got more deeply into it recently. Warning: it can be a
> gigantic Time Sink!
>
> You know about the Library of Congress photo archive, right?
>
Did they have my baby pictures? I've been looking for them everywhere.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA
Politics is the entertainment branch
of industry.
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in news:hc-
[email protected]:
> On 4/6/2011 2:34 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> Yeah, you can learn a lot from some of this stuff. I haven't seen a
>> treasure trove like this since I worked in a large library 50 years ago!
>> Picked up an Illustrated History of the Civil War a few days ago. I knew
>> google had free eBooks, but just got more deeply into it recently.
>> Warning: it can be a gigantic Time Sink!
>
> A tablet or ebook reader leverages the experience. I've got quite of a
> few of them loaded onto my iPad.
I like the drive-by, sucker!!
<grin>
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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 06:36:50 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/7/2011 6:39 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> And for largescale dataswapping, wireless is still not ready for
>> primetime, IMnsHO.
>
>Terminology? ... "wireless" is used for "largescale" data streaming all
>the time ... streaming HD video over wireless is a large scale data
>stream by most any measure. It's why devices like SlingBox and Apple TV
>are becoming increasingly popular.
I shoulda used "cellular" instead of "wireless." Hell, they can't
even guarantee that I'll hear all the words the cell user is speaking
or that they'll hear what I'm saying, or that the line won't be
dropped as my sister drives around in the Bay area. I don't think
I've ever heard every word spoken during any given cell conversation.
It just sucks! The fadeouts of old tech are replaced by garbling or
muting of new tech. I guess the data integrity schemes in cellular
are massive to keep up with the damned dropouts, unless the DACs are
the guilty party in cell tech. Digital may be clean where the DACs
flub the analog conversion so voice sucks?
>Granted, it depends upon where you live. With an 18GB uVerse connection
>at home, I consistently get 16GB+ download speeds sitting in my recliner
>streaming HD video and movies to my iPad with no problems ... and that's
>"wireless", Bubba! <g>
Plan Comparison
For the
Optimal
Experience: Pro Elite Max Max Plus Max Turbo
Pro
Starting at $35* Elite
Starting at $40* Max
Starting at $45* Max Plus
Starting at $55* Max Turbo
Starting at $65*
Upstream speeds up to Up to 1 Mbps Up to 1 Mbps Up to 1.5 Mbps
Up to 1.5 Mbps Up to 3 Mbps
Downstream Speed(s) Up to 3 Mbps Up to 6 Mbps Up to 12 Mbps
Up to 18 Mbps Up to 24 Mbps
Not GB, Swingy.
>Apple's "Home Sharing" streams music and videos, via uVerse's built-in
>wireless router and iTunes on my old Dell laptop, to my iPad anywhere in
>the house or yard with no hiccups.
Cool.
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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> LOL ... a fully expenseable (Sec 179) business TOOL, of course!
>
> Not kidding ... for about four months an iPad has basically taken the
> place of my laptop for everyday, on-site business use. Easily access
> e-mail, order/search for material and supplies from the interweb and,
> using cloud services like DropBox, EverNote and GoogleDocs, can access
> all project documents, drawings, plans, spreadsheets, portoflios, take
> hand written notes and can print from most any wifi connection that has
> a wireless printer attached. Clients love it because the screen size
> makes viewing plans and documents much easier with instant, on the spot
> access.
>
> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day operations.
I was kidding of course!
I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible expense
for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
--
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Han
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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
> tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
That's the problem, it's not a fullfledged computer ...
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Han
email address is invalid
Han <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any
>> similar tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these
>> days. ;)
>
> That's the problem, it's not a fullfledged computer ...
Does it do usenet? I have an app for my iPhone, newstap, but I don't
really like it.
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email address is invalid
Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Does it do usenet? I have an app for my iPhone, newstap, but I don't
> really like it.
I think that newstap is the only iDevice usenet reader. I really wish that
it also used taps for navigation (like most ebook readers).
It also needs to be able to filter on any header (not just the summary
ones), with full regexs. That'd allow us to filter crossposts, no-archive
tagged posts, paths for name changers etc.
I've suggested these things to the author but seriously doubt that anything
will happen.
On 4/12/2011 6:51 AM, scatter wrote:
> Han<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Does it do usenet? I have an app for my iPhone, newstap, but I don't
>> really like it.
>
> I think that newstap is the only iDevice usenet reader. I really wish that
> it also used taps for navigation (like most ebook readers).
>
> It also needs to be able to filter on any header (not just the summary
> ones), with full regexs. That'd allow us to filter crossposts, no-archive
> tagged posts, paths for name changers etc.
>
> I've suggested these things to the author but seriously doubt that anything
> will happen.
IMO, there is yet no such thing as a suitable usenet reader for a tablet
or smartphone.
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Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I'd love to see someone design an entire kitchen on a 4" screen.
I believe the iPad is almost 10 inches accross.
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-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> On 4/6/11 8:33 AM, Han wrote:
>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any
>>> similar tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these
>>> days. ;)
>>
>> That's the problem, it's not a fullfledged computer ...
>>
>
> So what? What problem? It was never meant to be.
> What's a "fullfledged computer" anyways?
> My phone does a lot more than my first "fullfledged computer."
I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word, Excel,
Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
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Han
email address is invalid
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 4/6/2011 3:01 PM, Han wrote:
>
>> I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word,
>> Excel, Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
>
> Bluetooth a keyboard to it and the iPad quite comfortably creates and
> edits most Office products - Word, Excel, Powerpoint.
>
> Quicken, Photoshop, CAD ... the tablet OS is still a bit immature for
> fullblown apps of this type at this point, but, and it's a big BUT
> ....
>
> John Gage of Sun was prescient when he uttered the phrase "... the
> network is the computer ..." With the advent of cloud computing, the
> "net" is indeed quickly "becoming the computer" and it won't be long
> before you won't need local copies of programs like Photoshop ... as
> above, you don't need most Office Suite software as we speak, which
> can be accessed on the cloud via any device that can run an http
> client.
>
> Already, a desktop has basically become totally unnecessary for what I
> do, and a laptop appears not very far behind.
>
> Then again, I've been around long enough to know that pendulums swing
> and things go in circles.
>
> Reckon there could well be another resurgence of steam engines before
> long ... Steam Powered Aeroplane, anyone? :)
I guess I may have an iPad sooner than I thought I would ...
Thanks all.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Steve <[email protected]> wrote in news:4d9d2ba0$0$4163
[email protected]:
> On 2011-04-06 16:01:15 -0400, Han <[email protected]> said:
>
>> I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word,
>> Excel, Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
>
> Yes -- between ilife and iWork, those functions are pretty well
> covered. iWork contains Pages, which equates to Word (and will save
> files as Word .docs and open .docx), Numbers, which equates to Excel
> (and will save files as .xls and open .xlsx), and Keynote, which
> equates to Powerpoint (and etc. ...).
>
> If full compatibility with the Microsoft apps files is necessary, then
> you'll find Apple's programs miss, but not by much... page geometry in
> layouts down with Word breaks (but Word ISN't, no matter how hard the
> world tries, a layout program!). Powerpoints with sound generally
> remain mute. Excel files are just gonna look different, but most of the
> world just uses Excel to build minimally functional databases, not
> spreadsheets, don't they?
>
> In terms of a presentation program, Keynote beats the hell out of
> Powerpoint, if for nothing else that you can place an image on one
> page, change the size and position of the image on the following page,
> and marvel that the program animates the transformation on the page
> transition. You have to see this to believe it!
>
> iLife contains iPhoto, photo database cum photo editor, iMovie, a
> fairly powerful video editor, and Garage Band, a music production tool
> that, apparently, really shines on the iPad.
>
> There are 3rd party apps that come closer to Photoshop's capability
> than does iPhoto, though iPhoto does a respectable job of the common
> photo enhancements like fixing red eye, lightening an underexposed
> photo, or improving color in a photo.
>
> Nope, I don't have an iPad. I have used the iWord products pretty
> frequently to open files sent by clients using more recent versions on
> MS Office apps than I have access to, but I only need the data from
> those files, not the client's (generally awful) formatting.
>
> One final benefit of the iPad, regardless of program functionality:
> they seem to keep small children quiet and engaged for lengthy periods
> of time. Don't you have grandchildren, Han?
You make it sound more and more enticing, Steve!
4 Grandkids, between 15 years and 3 months ...
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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 4/7/2011 5:22 AM, Han wrote:
>
>> You make it sound more and more enticing, Steve!
>> 4 Grandkids, between 15 years and 3 months ...
>
> Han, Check out my FaceBook profile to see my youngest grandson (3) in
> the UK pounding on the iPad I gave their mother for her B'day a few
> weeks back.
>
> Kids love'em. The boys have an iPod touch they've been sharing with
> their Mom, so they have the technology down cold.
I believe you, Karl!! Can't find the pictures, though ...
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On 4/6/2011 6:01 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>
>>>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day
>>>> operations.
>>>
>>> I was kidding of course!
>>> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible
>>> expense
>>> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
>>
>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any
>> similar tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these
>> days. ;)
>
> I have a tablet that runs the Android OS. Google makes Android. Google
> makes SketchUp.
>
> Rassssberrry! :o)
My DroidX could almost be considered a tablet ... aspirin sized, but
what the hell. <g>
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 4/6/2011 3:01 PM, Han wrote:
> I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word, Excel,
> Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
Bluetooth a keyboard to it and the iPad quite comfortably creates and
edits most Office products - Word, Excel, Powerpoint.
Quicken, Photoshop, CAD ... the tablet OS is still a bit immature for
fullblown apps of this type at this point, but, and it's a big BUT ....
John Gage of Sun was prescient when he uttered the phrase "... the
network is the computer ..." With the advent of cloud computing, the
"net" is indeed quickly "becoming the computer" and it won't be long
before you won't need local copies of programs like Photoshop ... as
above, you don't need most Office Suite software as we speak, which can
be accessed on the cloud via any device that can run an http client.
Already, a desktop has basically become totally unnecessary for what I
do, and a laptop appears not very far behind.
Then again, I've been around long enough to know that pendulums swing
and things go in circles.
Reckon there could well be another resurgence of steam engines before
long ... Steam Powered Aeroplane, anyone? :)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 06:15:49 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/7/2011 6:38 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> What are you guys paying for voice/data packages per month?
>
>My business DroidX smartphone, unlimited data/1300 voice, with all the
>taxes and gotcha's, is consistently +/- $123/month (which includes the
>mandatory $20/month unlimited data plan).
OUCH!
>My iPad2 (actually assigned a 10 digit phone number by Verizon for 3G
>cellular data) is $20/month for 1 GB data; no contract, can be turned
>off or on at will and you can pony up for more in advance as needed (an
>extra $15/month gets you 3GB data, etc.)
Is this an add-on to the Droid account?
>With the iPad, I keep the Cellular turned off 98% of the time. I average
>about 200MB of 3G cellular data through the device each month, well
>below the 1GB max. (there is a cellular data usage monitor built-into
>the iPad). Use the iPad with WiFi whenever possible, either my own at
>home/office, or a clients location, and 3G only as needed when no WiFi
>is available (in a large urban area some type of WiFi is available
>almost everywhere you go these days ... hell, my phone sees available
>networks when stopped at red lights/traffic.)
There are -very- few WiFi spots here, and the closest are in downtown
Grass Pants. That's one price I pay for a serene rural setting.
>uVerse high speed internet for home/home office is $65/month for
>unlimited/18GB download speed, with built-in wireless router in the RG.
18Mbps, not GB. But my query was primarily for smart phone packages.
>Wife and daughter use their "WiFi only" iPads at home and work ... they
>are both big NetFlix fans and watch movies/videos on their iPads almost
>nightly over the uVerse WiFi at home at no extra data cost ... so far).
Oh, a wireless DSL router?
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On 4/6/2011 2:34 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> Yeah, you can learn a lot from some of this stuff. I haven't seen a
> treasure trove like this since I worked in a large library 50 years ago!
> Picked up an Illustrated History of the Civil War a few days ago. I knew
> google had free eBooks, but just got more deeply into it recently.
> Warning: it can be a gigantic Time Sink!
A tablet or ebook reader leverages the experience. I've got quite of a
few of them loaded onto my iPad.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Lobby Dosser wrote:
> For those who are not aware of Google's free eBooks, let me recommend
> them for furniture styles and hand tool woodworking. Hundreds of titles
> from the 19th and early 20th centuries.
>
> Search: furniture
> Click: more
> Click: books
> Click: Free Google eBooks (about halfway down the menu column)
>
> These books can be downloaded in pdf format. Ping me if you need help.
>
> LD
Following your directions, I quickly ran across:
The practical cabinet maker and furniture designer's assistant: with
essays ... By Frederick Thomas Hodgson
I only read the preface, but it was an interesting read (on the old
versus the new--and in this case, new is about 1910). Interesting stuff.
Bill
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> For those who are not aware of Google's free eBooks, let me recommend
>> them for furniture styles and hand tool woodworking. Hundreds of titles
>> from the 19th and early 20th centuries.
>>
>> Search: furniture
>> Click: more
>> Click: books
>> Click: Free Google eBooks (about halfway down the menu column)
>>
>> These books can be downloaded in pdf format. Ping me if you need help.
>>
>> LD
>
> Following your directions, I quickly ran across:
>
> The practical cabinet maker and furniture designer's assistant: with
> essays ... By Frederick Thomas Hodgson
>
> I only read the preface, but it was an interesting read (on the old versus
> the new--and in this case, new is about 1910). Interesting stuff.
>
> Bill
Yeah, you can learn a lot from some of this stuff. I haven't seen a treasure
trove like this since I worked in a large library 50 years ago! Picked up an
Illustrated History of the Civil War a few days ago. I knew google had free
eBooks, but just got more deeply into it recently. Warning: it can be a
gigantic Time Sink!
You know about the Library of Congress photo archive, right?
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:25:41 -0700, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 04/06/2011 01:47 PM, chaniarts wrote:
>> Han wrote:
>>> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On 4/6/11 8:33 AM, Han wrote:
>>>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any
>>>>>> similar tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these
>>>>>> days. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the problem, it's not a fullfledged computer ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So what? What problem? It was never meant to be.
>>>> What's a "fullfledged computer" anyways?
>>>> My phone does a lot more than my first "fullfledged computer."
>>>
>>> I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word,
>>> Excel, Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
>>
>> a lot of those are available in the cloud somewhere, so all you need is a
>> browser. so yes.
>>
>>
>http://docs.google.com/
And "documents to go" does the "word thing" as well (on blackberry
and android, for sure, possibly others)- and MANY smart phones can run
"word lite" type applications like word mobile / office mobile - right
onboard - not from the cloud.
On 4/7/2011 6:39 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> And for largescale dataswapping, wireless is still not ready for
> primetime, IMnsHO.
Terminology? ... "wireless" is used for "largescale" data streaming all
the time ... streaming HD video over wireless is a large scale data
stream by most any measure. It's why devices like SlingBox and Apple TV
are becoming increasingly popular.
Granted, it depends upon where you live. With an 18GB uVerse connection
at home, I consistently get 16GB+ download speeds sitting in my recliner
streaming HD video and movies to my iPad with no problems ... and that's
"wireless", Bubba! <g>
Apple's "Home Sharing" streams music and videos, via uVerse's built-in
wireless router and iTunes on my old Dell laptop, to my iPad anywhere in
the house or yard with no hiccups.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:39:35 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/6/2011 3:01 PM, Han wrote:
>>
>>> I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word, Excel,
>>> Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
>>
>> Bluetooth a keyboard to it and the iPad quite comfortably creates and
>> edits most Office products - Word, Excel, Powerpoint.
>>
>> Quicken, Photoshop, CAD ... the tablet OS is still a bit immature for
>> fullblown apps of this type at this point, but, and it's a big BUT ....
>
>I suspect that very few people ever use the full potential of full blown
>apps.
Perhaps not, but the apps themselves tax the hell out of operating
systems and the attached hardware. Adobe is notorious for it.
>> John Gage of Sun was prescient when he uttered the phrase "... the network
>> is the computer ..." With the advent of cloud computing, the "net" is
>> indeed quickly "becoming the computer" and it won't be long before you
>> won't need local copies of programs like Photoshop ... as above, you don't
>> need most Office Suite software as we speak, which can be accessed on the
>> cloud via any device that can run an http client.
>>
>
>As long as you are in range of a satellite, at the very least, and are
>willing to pay the connect charges.
And willing to accept the horrible latency delays of sat
transmissions. When I had Starband sat Internet, I found that for
small files, I could use a 21kbs dialup connection and get a faster
upload than I could with the sat. Blew me away, it did. It had
screaming fast downloads, though. Another problem is a penchance for
uppity conections during even the slightest rainstorm and complete
outages in any kind of snowstorm. I'm much happier with DSL.
And for largescale dataswapping, wireless is still not ready for
primetime, IMnsHO.
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Never tow another car using pantyhose and duct tape.
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:25:22 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/8/2011 3:58 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 06:15:49 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/7/2011 6:38 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>
>>>> What are you guys paying for voice/data packages per month?
>>>
>>> My business DroidX smartphone, unlimited data/1300 voice, with all the
>>> taxes and gotcha's, is consistently +/- $123/month (which includes the
>>> mandatory $20/month unlimited data plan).
>>
>> OUCH!
>
>Not bad for a business account. Our internet company phone bill for two
>was in the range of $800/mo about ten years ago.
Yeah, that is a definite improvement.
>>> My iPad2 (actually assigned a 10 digit phone number by Verizon for 3G
>>> cellular data) is $20/month for 1 GB data; no contract, can be turned
>>> off or on at will and you can pony up for more in advance as needed (an
>>> extra $15/month gets you 3GB data, etc.)
>>
>> Is this an add-on to the Droid account?
>
>Nope, separate account ... and managed from the device itself only.
Hmm, nice!
>>> uVerse high speed internet for home/home office is $65/month for
>>> unlimited/18GB download speed, with built-in wireless router in the RG.
>>
>> 18Mbps, not GB. But my query was primarily for smart phone packages.
>
>Tip of the slung ... too many typing "3G".
Thot so.
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On 4/5/2011 11:39 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> For those who are not aware of Google's free eBooks, let me recommend
> them for furniture styles and hand tool woodworking. Hundreds of titles
> from the 19th and early 20th centuries.
>
> Search: furniture
> Click: more
> Click: books
> Click: Free Google eBooks (about halfway down the menu column)
>
> These books can be downloaded in pdf format. Ping me if you need help.
>
> LD
The Google books is a great resource for what every you are researching.
If you are working in genealogy, there are many County and State
histories in their collections. These books have many biographies of
the citizens of each county.
On 4/6/11 8:33 AM, Han wrote:
> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
>> tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
>
> That's the problem, it's not a fullfledged computer ...
>
So what? What problem? It was never meant to be.
What's a "fullfledged computer" anyways?
My phone does a lot more than my first "fullfledged computer."
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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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On 4/6/11 3:01 PM, Han wrote:
> -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 4/6/11 8:33 AM, Han wrote:
>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any
>>>> similar tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these
>>>> days. ;)
>>>
>>> That's the problem, it's not a fullfledged computer ...
>>>
>>
>> So what? What problem? It was never meant to be.
>> What's a "fullfledged computer" anyways?
>> My phone does a lot more than my first "fullfledged computer."
>
> I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word, Excel,
> Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
>
It's not meant to replace a personal computer.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
Han wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 4/6/11 8:33 AM, Han wrote:
>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any
>>>> similar tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these
>>>> days. ;)
>>>
>>> That's the problem, it's not a fullfledged computer ...
>>>
>>
>> So what? What problem? It was never meant to be.
>> What's a "fullfledged computer" anyways?
>> My phone does a lot more than my first "fullfledged computer."
>
> I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word,
> Excel, Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
a lot of those are available in the cloud somewhere, so all you need is a
browser. so yes.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>
>>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day
>>> operations.
>>
>> I was kidding of course!
>> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible
>> expense
>> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
>
> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
> tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
I have a tablet that runs the Android OS. Google makes Android. Google makes
SketchUp.
Rassssberrry! :o)
Swingman wrote:
> On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>
>>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day
>>> operations.
>>
>> I was kidding of course!
>> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible expense
>> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
>
> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
> tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
>
It seems reasonable in 2-D. I think you'll have a long wait for
3-D--unless the processing occurs between keystrokes on a "cloud", or
something...
Bill
"Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 4/6/11 8:33 AM, Han wrote:
>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any
>>>> similar tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these
>>>> days. ;)
>>>
>>> That's the problem, it's not a fullfledged computer ...
>>>
>>
>> So what? What problem? It was never meant to be.
>> What's a "fullfledged computer" anyways?
>> My phone does a lot more than my first "fullfledged computer."
>
> I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word, Excel,
> Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
>
See Android OS. Google makes it. Google makes SketchUp, Picasa (Photoshop
like), Google and others make word and excel equivalents for Android. A
number of tablets run Android. I've got one I paid $100 for. It only has a
7" screen, but larger Android tablets are available.
"Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>>> For those who are not aware of Google's free eBooks, let me recommend
>>>> them for furniture styles and hand tool woodworking. Hundreds of
>>>> titles
>>>> from the 19th and early 20th centuries.
>>>>
>>>> Search: furniture
>>>> Click: more
>>>> Click: books
>>>> Click: Free Google eBooks (about halfway down the menu column)
>>>>
>>>> These books can be downloaded in pdf format. Ping me if you need help.
>>>>
>>>> LD
>>>
>>> Following your directions, I quickly ran across:
>>>
>>> The practical cabinet maker and furniture designer's assistant: with
>>> essays ... By Frederick Thomas Hodgson
>>>
>>> I only read the preface, but it was an interesting read (on the old
>>> versus
>>> the new--and in this case, new is about 1910). Interesting stuff.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Yeah, you can learn a lot from some of this stuff. I haven't seen a
>> treasure
>> trove like this since I worked in a large library 50 years ago! Picked up
>> an
>> Illustrated History of the Civil War a few days ago. I knew google had
>> free
>> eBooks, but just got more deeply into it recently. Warning: it can be a
>> gigantic Time Sink!
>>
>> You know about the Library of Congress photo archive, right?
>>
> Did they have my baby pictures? I've been looking for them everywhere.
>
I wondered whose kid that was ...
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/6/2011 3:01 PM, Han wrote:
>
>> I'm talking about the iPad replacing my laptop. Can it run Word, Excel,
>> Quicken, Photoshop, or their equivalents?
>
> Bluetooth a keyboard to it and the iPad quite comfortably creates and
> edits most Office products - Word, Excel, Powerpoint.
>
> Quicken, Photoshop, CAD ... the tablet OS is still a bit immature for
> fullblown apps of this type at this point, but, and it's a big BUT ....
I suspect that very few people ever use the full potential of full blown
apps.
>
> John Gage of Sun was prescient when he uttered the phrase "... the network
> is the computer ..." With the advent of cloud computing, the "net" is
> indeed quickly "becoming the computer" and it won't be long before you
> won't need local copies of programs like Photoshop ... as above, you don't
> need most Office Suite software as we speak, which can be accessed on the
> cloud via any device that can run an http client.
>
As long as you are in range of a satellite, at the very least, and are
willing to pay the connect charges.
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>
>>>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day
>>>> operations.
>>>
>>> I was kidding of course!
>>> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible
>>> expense
>>> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
>>
>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
>> tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
>>
>
>
> It seems reasonable in 2-D. I think you'll have a long wait for
> 3-D--unless the processing occurs between keystrokes on a "cloud", or
> something...
>
> Bill
Nintendo has a 3D version of their DS game machine on the market right now.
Yes, I know you meant 3D as in computing power but it takes a fair amount
for the games. MOF, PC power has been driven by the games market for the
past few years. Intel is rightfully concerned about the Killer App that will
need what they can build.
Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
>>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>>
>>>>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day
>>>>> operations.
>>>>
>>>> I was kidding of course!
>>>> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible
>>>> expense
>>>> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
>>>
>>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
>>> tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
>>>
>>
>>
>> It seems reasonable in 2-D. I think you'll have a long wait for
>> 3-D--unless the processing occurs between keystrokes on a "cloud", or
>> something...
>>
>> Bill
>
>
> Nintendo has a 3D version of their DS game machine on the market right now.
>
> Yes, I know you meant 3D as in computing power
Well, I meant the computing power done by a graphics card, rather than
that done by the CPU, per se. It's mostly a different animal.
but it takes a fair
> amount for the games. MOF, PC power has been driven by the games market
> for the past few years. Intel is rightfully concerned about the Killer
> App that will need what they can build.
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>> On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
>>>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>
>>>>>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day
>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was kidding of course!
>>>>> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible
>>>>> expense
>>>>> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
>>>>
>>>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any
>>>> similar
>>>> tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems reasonable in 2-D. I think you'll have a long wait for
>>> 3-D--unless the processing occurs between keystrokes on a "cloud", or
>>> something...
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Nintendo has a 3D version of their DS game machine on the market right
>> now.
>>
>> Yes, I know you meant 3D as in computing power
>
>
> Well, I meant the computing power done by a graphics card, rather than
> that done by the CPU, per se. It's mostly a different animal.
Womder where the graphics on the DS 3D are processed ...
>
>
> but it takes a fair
>> amount for the games. MOF, PC power has been driven by the games market
>> for the past few years. Intel is rightfully concerned about the Killer
>> App that will need what they can build.
>
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"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:01:45 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
>>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>>
>>>>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day
>>>>> operations.
>>>>
>>>> I was kidding of course!
>>>> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible
>>>> expense
>>>> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
>>>
>>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
>>> tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
>>
>>I have a tablet that runs the Android OS. Google makes Android. Google
>>makes
>>SketchUp.
>>
>>Rassssberrry! :o)
>
> What are you guys paying for voice/data packages per month?
Mine is Frontier (formerly Verizon). Pay $99 for phone/net/tv with unlimited
domestic long distance. Was worried about Frontier taking over but so far -
knock wood - everything's been OK. From my perspective, Verizon Service was
terrific and Frontier inherited the people. Had the internet and got the tv
as soon as they had the line. Comcast SUCKED.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 22:19:15 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:01:45 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
>>>>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>
>>>>>>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day
>>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was kidding of course!
>>>>>> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible
>>>>>> expense
>>>>>> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop
>>>>>> dies.
>>>>>
>>>>> At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any
>>>>> similar
>>>>> tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
>>>>
>>>>I have a tablet that runs the Android OS. Google makes Android. Google
>>>>makes
>>>>SketchUp.
>>>>
>>>>Rassssberrry! :o)
>>>
>>> What are you guys paying for voice/data packages per month?
>>
>>Mine is Frontier (formerly Verizon). Pay $99 for phone/net/tv with
>>unlimited
>>domestic long distance. Was worried about Frontier taking over but so
>>far -
>>knock wood - everything's been OK. From my perspective, Verizon Service
>>was
>>terrific and Frontier inherited the people. Had the internet and got the
>>tv
>>as soon as they had the line. Comcast SUCKED.
>
> Do you have limited local phone hours, or Internet?
Nothing is limited.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/7/2011 6:38 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> What are you guys paying for voice/data packages per month?
>
> My business DroidX smartphone, unlimited data/1300 voice, with all the
> taxes and gotcha's, is consistently +/- $123/month (which includes the
> mandatory $20/month unlimited data plan).
>
> My iPad2 (actually assigned a 10 digit phone number by Verizon for 3G
> cellular data) is $20/month for 1 GB data; no contract, can be turned off
> or on at will and you can pony up for more in advance as needed (an extra
> $15/month gets you 3GB data, etc.)
>
> With the iPad, I keep the Cellular turned off 98% of the time. I average
> about 200MB of 3G cellular data through the device each month, well below
> the 1GB max. (there is a cellular data usage monitor built-into the iPad).
> Use the iPad with WiFi whenever possible, either my own at home/office, or
> a clients location, and 3G only as needed when no WiFi is available (in a
> large urban area some type of WiFi is available almost everywhere you go
> these days ... hell, my phone sees available networks when stopped at red
> lights/traffic.)
>
> uVerse high speed internet for home/home office is $65/month for
> unlimited/18GB download speed, with built-in wireless router in the RG.
>
> Wife and daughter use their "WiFi only" iPads at home and work ... they
> are both big NetFlix fans and watch movies/videos on their iPads almost
> nightly over the uVerse WiFi at home at no extra data cost ... so far).
>
Except for the NetFlix ...
On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:55:45 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/6/2011 7:44 AM, Han wrote:
>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>
>>> For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day operations.
>>
>> I was kidding of course!
>> I believe it from what I've heard about it. It's NOT a deductible expense
>> for a retiree like me, although it is an option when this laptop dies.
>
>At this point I could almost forego a laptop if the iPad, or any similar
>tablet, would run programs like SketchUp ... one of these days. ;)
I'd love to see someone design an entire kitchen on a 4" screen.
--
Some people are like Slinkies ... not really good for
anything, but you can't help smiling when you see one
tumble down the stairs.
On 06 Apr 2011 15:30:49 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> I'd love to see someone design an entire kitchen on a 4" screen.
>
>I believe the iPad is almost 10 inches accross.
My answers could be:
1) Better, but not by a whole lot.
or
2) Well, _somebody_ had to say it.
;)
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On 4/7/2011 5:22 AM, Han wrote:
> You make it sound more and more enticing, Steve!
> 4 Grandkids, between 15 years and 3 months ...
Han, Check out my FaceBook profile to see my youngest grandson (3) in
the UK pounding on the iPad I gave their mother for her B'day a few
weeks back.
Kids love'em. The boys have an iPod touch they've been sharing with
their Mom, so they have the technology down cold.
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On 4/6/2011 6:56 AM, Han wrote:
> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in news:hc-
> [email protected]:
>
>> On 4/6/2011 2:34 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, you can learn a lot from some of this stuff. I haven't seen a
>>> treasure trove like this since I worked in a large library 50 years ago!
>>> Picked up an Illustrated History of the Civil War a few days ago. I knew
>>> google had free eBooks, but just got more deeply into it recently.
>>> Warning: it can be a gigantic Time Sink!
>>
>> A tablet or ebook reader leverages the experience. I've got quite of a
>> few of them loaded onto my iPad.
>
> I like the drive-by, sucker!!
> <grin>
LOL ... a fully expenseable (Sec 179) business TOOL, of course!
Not kidding ... for about four months an iPad has basically taken the
place of my laptop for everyday, on-site business use. Easily access
e-mail, order/search for material and supplies from the interweb and,
using cloud services like DropBox, EverNote and GoogleDocs, can access
all project documents, drawings, plans, spreadsheets, portoflios, take
hand written notes and can print from most any wifi connection that has
a wireless printer attached. Clients love it because the screen size
makes viewing plans and documents much easier with instant, on the spot
access.
For a contractor, one of the best tools around for day to day operations.
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On 4/8/2011 10:22 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> uVerse high speed internet for home/home office is $65/month for
>> unlimited/18GB download speed, with built-in wireless router in the RG.
>>
>> Wife and daughter use their "WiFi only" iPads at home and work ...
>> they are both big NetFlix fans and watch movies/videos on their iPads
>> almost nightly over the uVerse WiFi at home at no extra data cost ...
>> so far).
>>
>
> Except for the NetFlix ...
No exceptions, yet ....for "data" which is the basis of the discussion.
However, that could be short lived as ATT kicks in their tiered data
plans. Corporate greed, or looking forward to FTTP infrastructure?
With their current profits, at present there is NO justification for
doing so with FTTN VDSL except to condition a gullible public to pay more.
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