Over the years I have tried numerous ways to preserve finish, put in
smaller containers, collapsa\ible containers, use marbles (who owns
enough?) etc, but have not been satisfied. Eventually I get gummy
finish on containers. My latest has been the collapsible containers
and, while cheap enough, have caused me enough problems, especially
with getting the lids off, to keep looking. I haven't tried bloxogen
or CO2.
I suppose there is a mild bit of danger in the approach I took today,
since I'm sure the electronics aren't vapor sealed and all, but I
decided to put my partially unused tung oil/turps mix, about 12 oz,
into a pint mason jar. I then used my wife's Vacu-seal, which has a
mason jar adaptor, to draw the air out. No noticeable solvent smell.
A nice tight seal, probably took less than 10 seconds. I did notice
small bubbles appearing after it was sealed, which could mean the
vacuum is strong enough to cause 'boiling' in the jar. I put a ring
on it to make sure the seal wouldn't break.
Has anyone else tried this? It seemed relatively low risk given the
quantities involved and all, yet I don't want to get written up for a
Darwin award either if this is a known bad idea ;-)
Thoughts?
When I am finishing a piece, I keep the brushes/sponges for the oil based
finishes in Ziploc bags in the freezer. They will usually last a couple of
months before they become unusable ... certainly long enough for the two
weeks it takes to put on 5 or 6 coats.
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"Silvan"> wrote in message
> Another trick, if you have room to spare, stick them in the fridge. Also
> works for paint brushes/rollers/sponges. Wrap in plastic and stick them
in
> the fridge and they'll last a long time before finally drying out.
Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 11:28am (EDT-3) [email protected]
(Tom=A0Bergman) says:
Over the years I have tried numerous ways to preserve finish, put in
smaller containers, collapsa\ible containers, use marbles (who owns
enough?) etc, but have not been satisfied. =A0<snip>
I usually get smaller quantities, and use it up before I run into
storage problems. However. There is always a however.
However, awhile back I had occassion to use some latex paint that I
had stored in plastic soda bottles. This worked just great,
unbreakable, shake before using, etc. I found out tho, that if you
don't use those frequently, the top gets welded on by the paint. I also
found a new can of paint (l8 oz), that the top had rusted so I could
barely get it open, for awhile thought I would have to punch holes in
the lid. So had to cut the bottles open. I didn't want to go with
bottles again, but had gotten some rectangular plastic storage
containers from the grocery store, and they are great for keeping
fasteners in, have a top, and are stackable (that's in an older thread).
So, gave the little containers a shot. Bottom line, working great
so far. The lids do tend to stick a bit from the paint, but I can take
a used popsicle stick and run it around, under the top, and it comes
right off. I'm not sure just how air tight these lids are, but as it's
latex, if it seems a bit thick, put a bit of water in, and stir with a
popsicle stick. Beats the Hell out of cans. A couple of times I have
mixed colors, for a special color, and keep that in a container. Then
when I'm out, I can either mix up a new batch, or wash it, and use it
for another color. Using red, yellow, blue, black, and white, I can
pretty much come up with any color combo I need.
This works great for me, because I don't use a lot at a time, so
the little 8 oz cans of latex last a really long time. Don't need to
label what color is in one, because the container is clear plastic.
JOAT
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Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT wrote:
>
>
> However, awhile back I had occassion to use some latex paint that I
> had stored in plastic soda bottles. This worked just great,
> unbreakable, shake before using, etc. I found out tho, that if you
> don't use those frequently, the top gets welded on by the paint. I also
> found a new can of paint (l8 oz), that the top had rusted so I could
> barely get it open, for awhile thought I would have to punch holes in
> the lid. So had to cut the bottles open.
Lay a couple of pieces of Saran wrap over the mouth before capping.
Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT wrote:
>
> Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 8:48pm (EDT-3) cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com
> (Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.) says:
> Lay a couple of pieces of Saran wrap over the mouth before capping.
>
> Now, how many people can remember how to do a complicated procedure
> like that?
$15 worth of gelled tung oil has a way of helping you remember.
Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:13:02 -0400, BRuce <BRuce> pixelated:
>
> >propane is not what I would consider an "inert gas". I hope boat
> >builders don't smoke when they open paint cans! :-)
>
> Since most solvents used in finishing are combustible
> anyway, what's the difference? Ideally, nobody smokes
> around paint, finishes, or gasoline, Vern.
In a quart container, how many cc's of gas would be used for a
barrier? How quickly would it dissipate?
Tom Bergman wrote:
> A nice tight seal, probably took less than 10 seconds. I did notice
> small bubbles appearing after it was sealed, which could mean the
> vacuum is strong enough to cause 'boiling' in the jar. I put a ring
> on it to make sure the seal wouldn't break.
>
I have a similar device, and notice the same "boiling" effect storing
foods. I put a decent amount of (hot) fresh marinara sauce into the
container and draw a vacuum, and it boils in the container until the
temperature has a change to go down. Makes total sense, since boiling
is triggered by a combination of temperature and air pressure, it's
just weird to see it happen.
You can do this any time you want by putting some water at 180-190
degrees in the container and drawing a vacuum. If you're vacuum
generator is strong enough, you can do it with room temperature water :-)
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:40:21 GMT, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Sounds like a good idea ... just keep 'em out of the ice box.
My fridge has the conc. nitric acid stored in it !
(I need a workshop fridge !)
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A. wrote:
>> found a new can of paint (l8 oz), that the top had rusted so I could
>> barely get it open, for awhile thought I would have to punch holes in
>> the lid. So had to cut the bottles open.
>
> Lay a couple of pieces of Saran wrap over the mouth before capping.
Another trick, if you have room to spare, stick them in the fridge. Also
works for paint brushes/rollers/sponges. Wrap in plastic and stick them in
the fridge and they'll last a long time before finally drying out.
Mmmmm, chicken a la mineral spirits. Best not done with solvent stuff.
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Almost certainly it wasn't boiling. I agree with Dick below and add that
oxygen, CO2, and other atmospheric gases are dissolved in many liquids at
"normal" temperatures - it's how fish get their oxygen - and when the
pressure is reduced, the gases are released.
Think "Coca Cola"!
DanD
> >
>
> The boiling you saw was probably the most volatile combust
> able volatiles in the mix. You probably drew some of them
> through the pump as well. I recommend doing it outdoors.
>
> Dick
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Tom Bergman wrote:
> Over the years I have tried numerous ways to preserve finish, put in
> smaller containers, collapsa\ible containers, use marbles (who owns
> enough?) etc, but have not been satisfied. Eventually I get gummy
> finish on containers. My latest has been the collapsible containers
> and, while cheap enough, have caused me enough problems, especially
> with getting the lids off, to keep looking. I haven't tried bloxogen
> or CO2.
>
> I suppose there is a mild bit of danger in the approach I took today,
> since I'm sure the electronics aren't vapor sealed and all, but I
> decided to put my partially unused tung oil/turps mix, about 12 oz,
> into a pint mason jar. I then used my wife's Vacu-seal, which has a
> mason jar adaptor, to draw the air out. No noticeable solvent smell.
> A nice tight seal, probably took less than 10 seconds. I did notice
> small bubbles appearing after it was sealed, which could mean the
> vacuum is strong enough to cause 'boiling' in the jar. I put a ring
> on it to make sure the seal wouldn't break.
>
> Has anyone else tried this? It seemed relatively low risk given the
> quantities involved and all, yet I don't want to get written up for a
> Darwin award either if this is a known bad idea ;-)
>
> Thoughts?
>
The boiling you saw was probably the most volatile combust
able volatiles in the mix. You probably drew some of them
through the pump as well. I recommend doing it outdoors.
Dick
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Phisherman wrote:
> The vaporizing will fill the empty space with concentrated solvent,
> which (if its not water) could become a bomb with flying pieces of cut
> glass. The CO2 (maybe dry ice?) could be a safer choice.
>
No oxygen, no "bomb", his storage method is less likely to
spontaneously combust than a normally closed container, and
the chance of that happening is real close to zero.
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B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:21:55 -0400, "not hardly" <"not
> hardly"@noway.com> wrote:
>
> >Ok, please excuse my ignorance but what does storing it upside down have
> >to do with longevity? the air in the container is still there, the
> >container is not sealed any better (unless you let it leak till it seals
> > :) ) A properly sealed container does not "exchange air". I'm not
> >saying it isn't any better, I just don't understand why it should be.
>
> I don't either. but I've had much better luck with cans stored
> inverted than not. I'm talking 3-4 year old cans of latex paint.
>
>
> My guess is that I'm not sealing them as well as I should, and the
> liquid seals 'em up.
>
> Barry
>
Same results here. I also try to remember to turn the cans
over every few months. The solids stay dispersed a lot
better. Once it's sat upside down for a few months turning
it rightside up for a few months doesn't seem to hurt the
seal.
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Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:13:02 -0400, BRuce <BRuce> pixelated:
>
> >propane is not what I would consider an "inert gas". I hope boat
> >builders don't smoke when they open paint cans! :-)
>
> Since most solvents used in finishing are combustible
> anyway, what's the difference? Ideally, nobody smokes
> around paint, finishes, or gasoline, Vern.
>
Assuming the person opening the can knew what was in it, it
would be considerably less hazardous than using an aerosol
can of finish. Opening a propane preserved can would release
approximately the same volume of combust able gas as a good
fart. It's inadvisable to have your face with a lit
cigarette near either source of emissions.
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I have watched many people fill up tractors and cars with gasoline
(leaded) while smoking cigarettes. I also saw a filling station after
it blew up from an idiot smoking. That was impressive!! Really neat!!
And we don't have those defective genes in the pool anymore! But, look
at how many heat and spark producing objetcs we have around us-light
switches, motors, power tools, etc. Not to mention static electricity.
Just trying to figure out where this "ideal" place is.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:54:07 GMT, Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:13:02 -0400, BRuce <BRuce> pixelated:
>
>>propane is not what I would consider an "inert gas". I hope boat
>>builders don't smoke when they open paint cans! :-)
>
>Since most solvents used in finishing are combustible
>anyway, what's the difference? Ideally, nobody smokes
>around paint, finishes, or gasoline, Vern.
>
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:13:02 -0400, BRuce <BRuce> pixelated:
>propane is not what I would consider an "inert gas". I hope boat
>builders don't smoke when they open paint cans! :-)
Since most solvents used in finishing are combustible
anyway, what's the difference? Ideally, nobody smokes
around paint, finishes, or gasoline, Vern.
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I think you already realize the possible danger in doing the Vacu-seal
thing: combustible vapors. I'd AT LEAST look in the instruction booklet
for a warning about such misuse. Failing that, I'd use the bloxogen
instead. Trade money for possible calamity. Glad I don't live next
door. I don't want my little house going up in a grand conflagration,
as collateral damage to your mishaps. :)
dave
Tom Bergman wrote:
> Over the years I have tried numerous ways to preserve finish, put in
> smaller containers, collapsa\ible containers, use marbles (who owns
> enough?) etc, but have not been satisfied. Eventually I get gummy
> finish on containers. My latest has been the collapsible containers
> and, while cheap enough, have caused me enough problems, especially
> with getting the lids off, to keep looking. I haven't tried bloxogen
> or CO2.
>
> I suppose there is a mild bit of danger in the approach I took today,
> since I'm sure the electronics aren't vapor sealed and all, but I
> decided to put my partially unused tung oil/turps mix, about 12 oz,
> into a pint mason jar. I then used my wife's Vacu-seal, which has a
> mason jar adaptor, to draw the air out. No noticeable solvent smell.
> A nice tight seal, probably took less than 10 seconds. I did notice
> small bubbles appearing after it was sealed, which could mean the
> vacuum is strong enough to cause 'boiling' in the jar. I put a ring
> on it to make sure the seal wouldn't break.
>
> Has anyone else tried this? It seemed relatively low risk given the
> quantities involved and all, yet I don't want to get written up for a
> Darwin award either if this is a known bad idea ;-)
>
> Thoughts?
Neat idea! haven't tried that one but sounds good.
On 24 Aug 2003 11:28:39 -0700, [email protected] (Tom Bergman)
wrote:
>Over the years I have tried numerous ways to preserve finish, put in
>smaller containers, collapsa\ible containers, use marbles (who owns
>enough?) etc, but have not been satisfied. Eventually I get gummy
>finish on containers. My latest has been the collapsible containers
>and, while cheap enough, have caused me enough problems, especially
>with getting the lids off, to keep looking. I haven't tried bloxogen
>or CO2.
>
>I suppose there is a mild bit of danger in the approach I took today,
>since I'm sure the electronics aren't vapor sealed and all, but I
>decided to put my partially unused tung oil/turps mix, about 12 oz,
>into a pint mason jar. I then used my wife's Vacu-seal, which has a
>mason jar adaptor, to draw the air out. No noticeable solvent smell.
>A nice tight seal, probably took less than 10 seconds. I did notice
>small bubbles appearing after it was sealed, which could mean the
>vacuum is strong enough to cause 'boiling' in the jar. I put a ring
>on it to make sure the seal wouldn't break.
>
>Has anyone else tried this? It seemed relatively low risk given the
>quantities involved and all, yet I don't want to get written up for a
>Darwin award either if this is a known bad idea ;-)
>
>Thoughts?
On 24 Aug 2003 15:05:56 -0700, [email protected] (Tony D.) wrote:
>I seal the container and store it upside down.
> Thanks, Tony D.
So do I, with excellent results.
Barry
Methane is almost as flammable.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:19:42 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Rico wrote:
>
>> approximately the same volume of combust able gas as a good
>> fart. It's inadvisable to have your face with a lit
>> cigarette near either source of emissions.
>
>If you're farting propane, you need to work on SWMBO's cooking...
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 11:45pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Ramsey)
says:
Methane is almost as flammable.
Heard of a barracks set on fire by young troops setting off atomic
white eyes, but I won't vouch for it.
JOAT
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:45:14 -0500, Ramsey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Methane is almost as flammable.
Some of us have an overabundance of it, though. Especially after a
few micro brews. <G>
Barry