On 12/10/2013 7:57 AM, basilisk wrote:
> I would have assumed that it would have been predominantly
> urea resins or hide glues.
I think we tend to not realize just how much glue technology has changed
in the last twenty years.
That said, the "Duramold" process, stuff of the birch plywood H-4
Hercules during WWII, used a phenolic resin, which certainly stood up to
that critical task.
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On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 09:13:34 -0500, Mike Marlow wrote:
> basilisk wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:19:17 -0600, Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> The different types of adhesives used by Taylor guitar:
>>>
>>> http://www.cabinetmakerfdm.com/Adhesives_play_key_role_in_guitar_construction.html
>>
>> I'm surprised at the percentage of alphatic resin glues used.
>>
>> I would have assumed that it would have been predominantly
>> urea resins or hide glues.
>>
>
> I found that interesting as well. Admitedly - I really don't know that much
> about the different types of glues out there, but with all of the stresses
> on a guitar, I would have thought they'd use a lot more urea resins as well.
> It seems I may have oversimplified my trivial understanding of glues.
I would have thought that the softer glues would have had a deadening
effect on the acoustics, maybe not, maybe desirable, I don't know enough
about guitars or glues apparently.
I wonder if a pissed bass player could deliver a severer beating with a
guitar glued up with alphatic resin or one glued up with hide glue?
basilisk
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> The different types of adhesives used by Taylor guitar:
>
> http://www.cabinetmakerfdm.com/Adhesives_play_key_role_in_guitar_construction.html
If you read the spec sheet on Titebond 50, the glue Taylor appears to use
mostly, you will appreciate even more previous remarks about how important
EMC of wood, and maintaining RH and temperature in a modern instrument
factory are.
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Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 12/10/2013 8:59 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 12/10/2013 8:48 AM, basilisk wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if a pissed bass player could deliver a severer beating with a
>>> guitar glued up with alphatic resin or one glued up with hide glue?
>>
>> Did it with my '61 Fender Jazz, and didn't even knock it out of tune. ;)
>>
>
>
> Were YOU that guy that started that guitar wrecking scene on stage? LOL
No, but I have had to take extraordinary exception, on a few rare
occasions, to drunk asshats coming on stage and/or trying to wrest the mic
from a lead singer. Used with the same "butt stroke" as you would with a
military rifle, the butt end of a Fender bass can be quite effective as a
next-to-last resort. Trust me. ;)
Simply part of the bassist' job back in the old days of Texas dance halls.
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On 12/10/2013 8:48 AM, basilisk wrote:
> I wonder if a pissed bass player could deliver a severer beating with a
> guitar glued up with alphatic resin or one glued up with hide glue?
Did it with my '61 Fender Jazz, and didn't even knock it out of tune. ;)
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On 12/10/2013 8:13 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> basilisk wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:19:17 -0600, Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> The different types of adhesives used by Taylor guitar:
>>>
>>> http://www.cabinetmakerfdm.com/Adhesives_play_key_role_in_guitar_construction.html
>>
>> I'm surprised at the percentage of alphatic resin glues used.
>>
>> I would have assumed that it would have been predominantly
>> urea resins or hide glues.
>>
>
> I found that interesting as well. Admitedly - I really don't know that much
> about the different types of glues out there, but with all of the stresses
> on a guitar, I would have thought they'd use a lot more urea resins as well.
> It seems I may have oversimplified my trivial understanding of glues.
>
Typically the urea based glues dry to a dark brown hard plastic like
film and need a day or so to set up. While still a great glue it is
still an old technology and might not be the optimum glue for some mass
production items.
I would imagine that cure time is important in a production setting.
IIRC some TB glues can be cured more quickly with ultrasonic or UV.
On 12/10/2013 8:59 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/10/2013 8:48 AM, basilisk wrote:
>
>> I wonder if a pissed bass player could deliver a severer beating with a
>> guitar glued up with alphatic resin or one glued up with hide glue?
>
> Did it with my '61 Fender Jazz, and didn't even knock it out of tune. ;)
>
Were YOU that guy that started that guitar wrecking scene on stage? LOL
basilisk wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:19:17 -0600, Swingman wrote:
>
>> The different types of adhesives used by Taylor guitar:
>>
>> http://www.cabinetmakerfdm.com/Adhesives_play_key_role_in_guitar_construction.html
>
> I'm surprised at the percentage of alphatic resin glues used.
>
> I would have assumed that it would have been predominantly
> urea resins or hide glues.
>
I found that interesting as well. Admitedly - I really don't know that much
about the different types of glues out there, but with all of the stresses
on a guitar, I would have thought they'd use a lot more urea resins as well.
It seems I may have oversimplified my trivial understanding of glues.
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On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:19:17 -0600, Swingman wrote:
> The different types of adhesives used by Taylor guitar:
>
> http://www.cabinetmakerfdm.com/Adhesives_play_key_role_in_guitar_construction.html
I'm surprised at the percentage of alphatic resin glues used.
I would have assumed that it would have been predominantly
urea resins or hide glues.
basilisk