I was cleaning the gas out of the snow blower (I know... should have done
it 8 months ago) and couldn't help but wonder if gasoline could be used to
finish wood. If it evaporates in a carborator, it leaves deposits that dry
to a varnish hard finish, so mightn't that work on wood?
It'd be a little dangerous to be around open flames with the stuff, but
then again most finishes are like that. Except for the solvent side not
evaporating completely, I don't see why gasoline wouldn't work.
(I'm NOT posting a question to a car group asking if I can run my engine on
shellac. :-))
Puckdropper
[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
> Why would you want to do this? Gasoline has very little in the way of
> solids, and the smell would be a long term issue.
>
Oh, I don't want to do this... just wondering if it'd be worth exploring.
The responses were bound to be entertaining. Few solids probably means
it's better as a solvent than a finish, eh?
Puckdropper
"Father Haskell" wrote:
Teak is loaded with silica (lovely wood for
making smoking pipes, char is like
ceramic). How many times did he have
to resharpen the plane iron?
------------------------------------------------
SFWIW, my local drum sanding shop will sand teak, provided you are
willing to pay for replacing sanding drums (3 of them in a set).
Last time I checked, it was $2,500 and that was 15 years ago.
Lew
"Steve Turner" wrote
> Swingman wrote:
>> Steve Turner wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking of taking a piss on my next project to see how that turns
>>> out. Probably not that much different than fuming with ammonia, right?
>>
>> Eat asparagus first.
>
> Roger that. :-)
> --
And take some videos of this piss finish project.
There is a whole market for this kind of thing. ;)
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> You can piss on copper for a nice patina, but on wood, it just leaves
>> a horrible odor. If you're a pet owner, you won't notice it, but
>> everyone else who comes into your home will. YMMV.
>
>
> So are you saying that if I piss on some wood in my house and get rid
> of my dog no one will notice? ;~)
>
>
>
Only if you bark loudly when you hear the door bell.
Puckdropper
On 08 Dec 2009 20:34:42 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> Why would you want to do this? Gasoline has very little in the way of
>> solids, and the smell would be a long term issue.
>>
>
>Oh, I don't want to do this... just wondering if it'd be worth exploring.
>The responses were bound to be entertaining. Few solids probably means
>it's better as a solvent than a finish, eh?
>
>Puckdropper
Wipe it on and light it for a nice charcoal finsih.
On Dec 8, 5:20=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Dec 8, 9:39 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
Het, I used Tractor fuel in a five gallon pail with a spigot at teh
bottom and some screening over the inlet area and soak old roofing
shingles in the fuel for days, they apply it to my barn. It gives a
nice appearance, and keeps the bees away (I'm told)
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Gosoline does nof contain varnish - it forms varnish as it oxidizes. -
> so gasoline evaporating off the wood will NOT leave a finish.
So uh,,, it leaves ...varnish? ;~)
On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:34:23 -0500, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 08 Dec 2009 12:44:03 GMT, Puckdropper
><puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>
>>It'd be a little dangerous to be around open flames with the stuff, but
>>then again most finishes are like that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Gosoline does nof contain varnish - it forms varnish as it oxidizes. -
so gasoline evaporating off the wood will NOT leave a finish.
Using "leaded" gasoline as a solvent in oil based paint has the effect
of hardening the finish and increasing the gloss, however.
It's the lead.
>
>http://www.darwinawards.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Tom Watson
>http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:16:10 -0500, the infamous "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:54:56 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> Gosoline does nof contain varnish - it forms varnish as it
>>>> oxidizes. - so gasoline evaporating off the wood will NOT leave a
>>>> finish.
>>>
>>> So uh,,, it leaves ...varnish? ;~)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> No, it doesn't because it evaporates off, it doesn't oxydize or
>> polymerize.
>
>What it leaves is dye, detergent, and additives.
And that lovely, oh-so-fresh scent!
--
To know what you prefer instead of humbly saying Amen
to what the world tells you you ought to prefer,
is to have kept your soul alive.
-- Robert Louis Stevenson
On Dec 9, 6:23 am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I liked Mexico :)
I used too, as well. In my mind I am remembering it as it was 30-40
years ago as a warm and sleepy place to go. The people were really
friendly, and they got a chuckle out my high school/college spanish.
The leather work that could be bought down there was really nice. I
had several friends (we live a couple of hours from the border) that
used to buy all leather boots and shoes down there on a regular basis,
and their wives bought a lot of purses.
Thinking of this time of the season, it used to be great to go down
there for Christmas shopping as well for all manner of hand crafted,
unique gifts.
I have a client that maintains a villa in Toluca which is far enough
away from the border to get away from the nightly murder(s). She
tells me that unless you go to an older craftsman's shop, the stuff
they have for sale is mostly made in China or India. How ironic.
With two to three murders a night in the border towns, shootouts with
the police on public streets, kidnappings, etc., you couldn't get me
down there for any amount of money. It isn't safe.
And the guys that do different labor jobs for me (all legal with
papers) that go back home on occasion <<HATE>>
going through the border towns. They hide their money in different
areas on their bodies as they know they will probably get robbed, or
be the victim of a shakedown by the cops or neighborhood protection
racket.
So before they go back home, the make sure they have their most worn
out work clothes on, their most torn up shoes, and skip haircuts for a
month of so before the visit home. This seems to confuse most of the
border riff raff. The good news is that they tell me they are almost
never bothered on the way back as they know the family got everything
of worth from them.
Personally, I don't even go to the border towns on our side of the
border as they aren't much safer. I haven't for years.
Robert
Nonny wrote:
>
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Leon wrote:
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>>> Who knew, eh? The things we scribble about on a rainy day...
>>>
>>> Speaking of which.... ;~) Let me ask you a strange question
>>> concerning tar..........and when you were a kid.......
>>>
>>> Did you ever chew the stuff? Yeah, I did. Before you think to
>>> your self, so that is what is wrong with Leon. ;~) I have only
>>> recently dared to admit this fact about my youth and it seems that
>>> several people that I know most in their 60's also chewed tar when
>>> they were kids. ;~)
>>
>> Yeah, I did (76). On a hot day the streets in KC would get a bit
>> soft...dig down to the "clean" stuff, dig out a chunk and chew away.
>> Why? Beats me, must have tasted terrible. The only possible reason I
>> can think of is that there was/is a chewing gum called "Blackjack"
>> which looked like tar...it cost money, street tar didn't.
>>
>> I also used to chew wheat. It wasn't bad.
>
> Since we were in the same area (UMKC, Marshall MO) what was the grass
> stem that kids would slip apart mid stem and chew? I used to call it
> Crab Grass and what the stem was would correspond to the seed-bearing
> shoot it sends up every 20 minutes or so it seemed.
We called it Johnson Grass ... not entirely sure of the spelling.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Dec 8, 6:52=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Speaking of which.... ;~) =A0Let me ask you a strange question concerning
> tar..........and when you were a kid.......
>
> Did you ever chew the stuff? =A0 =A0 =A0Yeah, I did. =A0Before you think =
to your
> self, so that is what is wrong with Leon. =A0;~) =A0I have only recently =
dared
> to admit this fact about my youth and it seems that several people that I
> know most in their 60's also chewed tar when they were kids. =A0;~)
I actually didn't do it. I tried it... it was like having charcoal
lighter fluid in my mouth. I worked around old roofers many years ago
that would pull piece off the kettle and chew on it. Eccch!
Like smoking grapvine, I upgraded as soon as possible! ;^)
Robert
(You know... that tar business could explain a lot, Leon.... I'm just
sayin'.... )
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:20:27 -0800 (PST), the infamous
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> scrawled the
following:
>On Dec 8, 9:39 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> AAMOF it is a common "belief" that the rustic furniture from Mexico, the
>> stuff with rusted hardware and hinges that simply hold the door on the
>> cabinet, not allow it to swing with confidence, is treated with used motor
>> oil for that distinct color and aroma. ;~)
>
>Fear not, Leon. You are on the right track.
>
>You bring back fond memories of visiting Mexico about a million years
>ago.
>
>As a nipper, it was a treat to go to Mexico in the early 60s.
>Everything was really cheap then. Leather goods, furniture, silver
>jewelry, food, beer, and of course your choice of any celebrity you
>wanted memorialized on velvet.
>
>Skip about 3 lustrum and it was a great place for a young man to go
>with his buddies or girl to eat big fat enchiladas covered with onions
>and drink cold beer at the Cadillac bar in Nuevo Laredo. It cost more
>in gas to get there and back than the food and hooch. The people were
>friendly and loved the tourists, and it was a fun day.
>
>When I was there in the early 70s, I paid a cab to take me to see the
>furniture factory outside of town. I watched a small group of
>furniture assemblers working outside under tents making hutches and
>credenzas in the "rustic" pattern, using the techniques administered
>all by hand. There were NO power tools, anywhere. They used #3 pine
>that we used for filler or nail strips, and in some cases beat it up
>even more to give it a more distressed look.
>
>They pulled partly rusted hardware out of buckets (crudely forged
>somewhere else) that sat outside and nailed it onto the wooden pieces
>that had been cut with handsaws to fit their needs. Nails that were
>bent were left. No holes were filled. Cracks in the wood weren't
>fixed unless it was a top, and they nailed on a crude wrought iron
>butterfly onto the surface of the top that straddled the crack. To
>assemble, there wasn't a square in sight. No glue, no screws, no
>clamps, just nails.
>
>To prepare for finish, they were aware that the surfaces were too
>smooth to have that distressed look. So they threw bent nails,
>screws, and bits of rock onto the tops, sides and doors in random
>patterns and banged on them a bit with other boards. This provided a
>random, light distress with nice patterns to hold finish.
>
>It was awful. I was horrified. I had never seen anything like it.
>
>So we move to the finishing area after that. It is out in the open,
>and entire pieces are done in just minutes. What was the finish?
>
>Pieces of tar (asphalt, not pitch) were tossed into buckets of dirty
>gasoline and left for several hours. These pieces dissolved enough to
>make a great glaze (lousy finish) for almost nothing. I literally saw
>them stirring their brew up and slopping it on the fresh pine, wiping
>it off after it got tacky. In the hot sun, the pieces dried quickly.
>Need another coat? Just repeat.
>
>And while the muebleria smelled like petroleum spirits, once the
>furniture was in a house, on a patio, etc., for a month or so there
>was no smell to it.
>
>This mix made that black glaze finish that was on almost every piece
>of "rustic" (I favor another word) furniture that came from Mexico in
>those days. Later on, when the black glaze fell out of favor, they
>added the rusty soup left in the bottom of their hardware buckets to
>make a kind of van dyke brown. Waste not, want not I guess.
>
>Kinda hard to believe something that simple, right?
>
>But... if you have made it this far, few people know that most analine
>dyes are made from coal tar and its by products. But back on topic,
>check this thread out:
>
>http://forum.canadianwoodworking.com/showthread.php?t=24817
>
>And the second post here actually has some hybrid recipe that uses
>tar:
>
>http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=12057
>
>There are even instructions on how to do it in step three, here:
>
>http://www.diynetwork.com/how-to/how-to-make-homemade-stains/index.html
>
>
>Who knew, eh? The things we scribble about on a rainy day...
Nuttin' but RBS. Ayieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
(Insert sound of automatic rifle fire here ;)
--
To know what you prefer instead of humbly saying Amen
to what the world tells you you ought to prefer,
is to have kept your soul alive.
-- Robert Louis Stevenson
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Dec 8, 6:52 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
I actually didn't do it. I tried it... it was like having charcoal
lighter fluid in my mouth. I worked around old roofers many years ago
that would pull piece off the kettle and chew on it. Eccch!
Ok, what part of trying it, is not doing it.
Like our ex prez, you did not inhale/swallow? LOL
LOL.
Actually I think I only tried it too as I only recall doing it once, cuz
every one else was doing it right before we all walked to the bridge.....
;~)
Like smoking grapvine, I upgraded as soon as possible! ;^)
Can't say I tried that, that I recall.
Robert
(You know... that tar business could explain a lot, Leon.... I'm just
sayin'.... )
Hey, I asked for it. LOL
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fd35c5b8-0de8-4b1a-b1cb-ea90d58a33f7@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> Fear not, Leon. You are on the right track.
>
> You bring back fond memories of visiting Mexico about a million years
> ago.
>
> As a nipper, it was a treat to go to Mexico in the early 60s.
> Everything was really cheap then. Leather goods, furniture, silver
> jewelry, food, beer, and of course your choice of any celebrity you
> wanted memorialized on velvet.
I do recall of the above.
>
> Skip about 3 lustrum and it was a great place for a young man to go
> with his buddies or girl to eat big fat enchiladas covered with onions
> and drink cold beer at the Cadillac bar in Nuevo Laredo. It cost more
> in gas to get there and back than the food and hooch. The people were
> friendly and loved the tourists, and it was a fun day.
Stopped going there when my friends, with family in Mexico, refused to drive
across the border. They had family members meet them at the border and take
them in from there. Too many policemen were on the take, they wanted to get
back home with their vehicle after the visit.
Snip
>
> To prepare for finish, they were aware that the surfaces were too
> smooth to have that distressed look. So they threw bent nails,
> screws, and bits of rock onto the tops, sides and doors in random
> patterns and banged on them a bit with other boards. This provided a
> random, light distress with nice patterns to hold finish.
>
> It was awful. I was horrified. I had never seen anything like it.
>
> So we move to the finishing area after that. It is out in the open,
> and entire pieces are done in just minutes. What was the finish?
>
> Pieces of tar (asphalt, not pitch) were tossed into buckets of dirty
> gasoline and left for several hours. These pieces dissolved enough to
> make a great glaze (lousy finish) for almost nothing. I literally saw
> them stirring their brew up and slopping it on the fresh pine, wiping
> it off after it got tacky. In the hot sun, the pieces dried quickly.
> Need another coat? Just repeat.
My sister and BIL ran a furniture store in Denver back in the mid 90's.
This Mexican furniture was all the craze up there at the time and they sold
it as fast as they could get it. They in fact had several, SEVERAL pieces
of the crap in their home. I just shook my head. Their retirement has not
been great because of too many decisions like that, I guess.
Snip
>
> Who knew, eh? The things we scribble about on a rainy day...
Speaking of which.... ;~) Let me ask you a strange question concerning
tar..........and when you were a kid.......
Did you ever chew the stuff? Yeah, I did. Before you think to your
self, so that is what is wrong with Leon. ;~) I have only recently dared
to admit this fact about my youth and it seems that several people that I
know most in their 60's also chewed tar when they were kids. ;~)
>
> Robert
"Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 08 Dec 2009 12:44:03 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>I was cleaning the gas out of the snow blower (I know... should
>>have done
>>it 8 months ago) and couldn't help but wonder if gasoline could
>>be used to
>>finish wood. If it evaporates in a carborator, it leaves
>>deposits that dry
>>to a varnish hard finish, so mightn't that work on wood?
>>
>>It'd be a little dangerous to be around open flames with the
>>stuff, but
>>then again most finishes are like that. Except for the solvent
>>side not
>>evaporating completely, I don't see why gasoline wouldn't work.
>>
>>(I'm NOT posting a question to a car group asking if I can run
>>my engine on
>>shellac. :-))
>>
>>Puckdropper
>
>
> Sounds like gasoline on wood will dissolve resins and possibly
> stain
> since gasoline contains a variety of mostly low-chain
> hydrocarbons.
> You can always try in on a scrap piece, but messing with
> gasoline is
> not a good idea. Petroleum jelly might work, and certainly
> safer and
> cleaner. Mineral oil is another good choice for wooden kitchen
> utensils.
I have never used gasoline deliberately on wood, but if you want
an incredibly rugged finish, consider cyanacrolate glue
(superglue) for small items.
One time I was turning a bunch of ballpoint pens out of various
scrap woods I had in the shop to give to friends and folks who
came by. Long ago, my Uncle had taught me the value of keeping
brown paper grocery sacks around for polishing wood and I was
thinking about just burnishing the pens with that. I had a big
bottle in the refrigerator of superglue and thought that if I
dripped some on a pen blank before burnishing, that it'd
waterproof the blank. I did this with the lathe stopped, BTW.
<grin>
The superglue uses capillary action to really permeate the wood it
is contact with and both reinforces and plasticises it. In fact,
as most of us know, wood saturated with cyanoacrylate glue can be
drilled and tapped for minor mechanical forces.
The glue really soaked into the pen blanks and didn't raise the
grain. When I then burnished them with the brown paper bag paper,
they took on a glow as if I'd done about a dozen coats of finish.
--
Nonny
What does it mean when drool runs
out of both sides of a drunken
Congressman's mouth?
The floor is level.
Father Haskell wrote:
> On Dec 9, 7:23 am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> When I was there in the early 70s, I paid a cab to take me to see
>>> the furniture factory outside of town. I watched a small group of
>>> furniture assemblers working outside under tents making hutches and
>>> credenzas in the "rustic" pattern, using the techniques administered
>>> all by hand. There were NO power tools, anywhere.
>>
>> I relate. I used to live in Veracruz. My car was a Fiat Spyder which
>> had a wood dash and consol piece; wood was 5/16" ply, walnut face,
>> resin finish. It was in poor repair and needed replacing so I bought
>> a teak board onetime I was in the US.
>>
>> The teak board was rough and way too thick - I needed it skinnied
>> down to 3/4 max and I had no plane. There was a cabinet shop nearby
>> and I had seen a large joiner there so took it to the guy figuring a
>> few passes on the joiner would suffice for my needs. Instead, he
>> works on it with a hand plane for 20 minutes or so. When he finished
>> I asked him how much I owed him, he says to give him a six pack of
>> Coke sometime.
>>
>> I liked Mexico :)
>
> Teak is loaded with silica (lovely wood for
> making smoking pipes, char is like
> ceramic). How many times did he have
> to resharpen the plane iron?
He had NP.
I've always heard about silica and teak but I've used a fair amount of it
and never had a problem of any kind with any tool. Including steel (not
carbide) blades on circular saws. Bandsaws too.
--
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[email protected] wrote:
> When I was there in the early 70s, I paid a cab to take me to see the
> furniture factory outside of town. I watched a small group of
> furniture assemblers working outside under tents making hutches and
> credenzas in the "rustic" pattern, using the techniques administered
> all by hand. There were NO power tools, anywhere.
I relate. I used to live in Veracruz. My car was a Fiat Spyder which had a
wood dash and consol piece; wood was 5/16" ply, walnut face, resin finish.
It was in poor repair and needed replacing so I bought a teak board onetime
I was in the US.
The teak board was rough and way too thick - I needed it skinnied down to
3/4 max and I had no plane. There was a cabinet shop nearby and I had seen
a large joiner there so took it to the guy figuring a few passes on the
joiner would suffice for my needs. Instead, he works on it with a hand
plane for 20 minutes or so. When he finished I asked him how much I owed
him, he says to give him a six pack of Coke sometime.
I liked Mexico :)
--
dadiOH
____________________________
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...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was cleaning the gas out of the snow blower (I know... should have done
> it 8 months ago) and couldn't help but wonder if gasoline could be used to
> finish wood. If it evaporates in a carborator, it leaves deposits that
> dry
> to a varnish hard finish, so mightn't that work on wood?
>
> It'd be a little dangerous to be around open flames with the stuff, but
> then again most finishes are like that. Except for the solvent side not
> evaporating completely, I don't see why gasoline wouldn't work.
>
> (I'm NOT posting a question to a car group asking if I can run my engine
> on
> shellac. :-))
>
> Puckdropper
AAMOF it is a common "belief" that the rustic furniture from Mexico, the
stuff with rusted hardware and hinges that simply hold the door on the
cabinet, not allow it to swing with confidence, is treated with used motor
oil for that distinct color and aroma. ;~)
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:10:37 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
>>
>>
>>So are you saying that if I piss on some wood in my house and get rid of
>>my
>>dog no one will notice? ;~)
>
> Yeah, go ahead and try that Leon. Let us know how you fare.
LOL
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> You can piss on copper for a nice patina, but on wood, it just leaves
> a horrible odor. If you're a pet owner, you won't notice it, but
> everyone else who comes into your home will. YMMV.
So are you saying that if I piss on some wood in my house and get rid of my
dog no one will notice? ;~)
On 08 Dec 2009 12:44:03 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>I was cleaning the gas out of the snow blower (I know... should have done
>it 8 months ago) and couldn't help but wonder if gasoline could be used to
>finish wood. If it evaporates in a carborator, it leaves deposits that dry
>to a varnish hard finish, so mightn't that work on wood?
>
>It'd be a little dangerous to be around open flames with the stuff, but
>then again most finishes are like that. Except for the solvent side not
>evaporating completely, I don't see why gasoline wouldn't work.
>
>(I'm NOT posting a question to a car group asking if I can run my engine on
>shellac. :-))
>
>Puckdropper
Why would you want to do this? Gasoline has very little in the way of
solids, and the smell would be a long term issue.
On Dec 9, 7:23=A0am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > When I was there in the early 70s, I paid a cab to take me to see the
> > furniture factory outside of town. =A0I watched a small group of
> > furniture assemblers working outside under tents making hutches and
> > credenzas in the "rustic" pattern, using the techniques administered
> > all by hand. =A0There were NO power tools, anywhere.
>
> I relate. =A0I used to live in Veracruz. =A0My car was a Fiat Spyder whic=
h had a
> wood dash and consol piece; wood was 5/16" ply, walnut face, resin finish=
.
> It was in poor repair and needed replacing so I bought a teak board oneti=
me
> I was in the US.
>
> The teak board was rough and way too thick - I needed it skinnied down to
> 3/4 max and I had no plane. =A0There was a cabinet shop nearby and I had =
seen
> a large joiner there so took it to the guy figuring a few passes on the
> joiner would suffice for my needs. =A0Instead, he works on it with a hand
> plane for 20 minutes or so. =A0When he finished I asked him how much I ow=
ed
> him, he says to give him a six pack of Coke sometime.
>
> I liked Mexico =A0:)
Teak is loaded with silica (lovely wood for
making smoking pipes, char is like
ceramic). How many times did he have
to resharpen the plane iron?
On Dec 8, 5:20=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> So we move to the finishing area after that. =A0It is out in the open,
> and entire pieces are done in just minutes. =A0What was the finish?
>
> Pieces of tar (asphalt, not pitch) were tossed into buckets of dirty
> gasoline and left for several hours. =A0These pieces dissolved enough to
> make a great glaze (lousy finish) for almost nothing. =A0I literally saw
> them stirring their brew up and slopping it on the fresh pine, wiping
> it off after it got tacky. =A0In the hot sun, the pieces dried quickly.
> Need another coat? =A0Just repeat.
The pigment in walnut Watco is asphaltum.
On Dec 8, 12:34=A0pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 08 Dec 2009 12:44:03 GMT, Puckdropper
>
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
> >It'd be a little dangerous to be around open flames with the stuff, but
> >then again most finishes are like that.
>
> http://www.darwinawards.com/
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watsonhttp://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
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On Dec 8, 9:39 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> AAMOF it is a common "belief" that the rustic furniture from Mexico, the
> stuff with rusted hardware and hinges that simply hold the door on the
> cabinet, not allow it to swing with confidence, is treated with used motor
> oil for that distinct color and aroma. ;~)
Fear not, Leon. You are on the right track.
You bring back fond memories of visiting Mexico about a million years
ago.
As a nipper, it was a treat to go to Mexico in the early 60s.
Everything was really cheap then. Leather goods, furniture, silver
jewelry, food, beer, and of course your choice of any celebrity you
wanted memorialized on velvet.
Skip about 3 lustrum and it was a great place for a young man to go
with his buddies or girl to eat big fat enchiladas covered with onions
and drink cold beer at the Cadillac bar in Nuevo Laredo. It cost more
in gas to get there and back than the food and hooch. The people were
friendly and loved the tourists, and it was a fun day.
When I was there in the early 70s, I paid a cab to take me to see the
furniture factory outside of town. I watched a small group of
furniture assemblers working outside under tents making hutches and
credenzas in the "rustic" pattern, using the techniques administered
all by hand. There were NO power tools, anywhere. They used #3 pine
that we used for filler or nail strips, and in some cases beat it up
even more to give it a more distressed look.
They pulled partly rusted hardware out of buckets (crudely forged
somewhere else) that sat outside and nailed it onto the wooden pieces
that had been cut with handsaws to fit their needs. Nails that were
bent were left. No holes were filled. Cracks in the wood weren't
fixed unless it was a top, and they nailed on a crude wrought iron
butterfly onto the surface of the top that straddled the crack. To
assemble, there wasn't a square in sight. No glue, no screws, no
clamps, just nails.
To prepare for finish, they were aware that the surfaces were too
smooth to have that distressed look. So they threw bent nails,
screws, and bits of rock onto the tops, sides and doors in random
patterns and banged on them a bit with other boards. This provided a
random, light distress with nice patterns to hold finish.
It was awful. I was horrified. I had never seen anything like it.
So we move to the finishing area after that. It is out in the open,
and entire pieces are done in just minutes. What was the finish?
Pieces of tar (asphalt, not pitch) were tossed into buckets of dirty
gasoline and left for several hours. These pieces dissolved enough to
make a great glaze (lousy finish) for almost nothing. I literally saw
them stirring their brew up and slopping it on the fresh pine, wiping
it off after it got tacky. In the hot sun, the pieces dried quickly.
Need another coat? Just repeat.
And while the muebleria smelled like petroleum spirits, once the
furniture was in a house, on a patio, etc., for a month or so there
was no smell to it.
This mix made that black glaze finish that was on almost every piece
of "rustic" (I favor another word) furniture that came from Mexico in
those days. Later on, when the black glaze fell out of favor, they
added the rusty soup left in the bottom of their hardware buckets to
make a kind of van dyke brown. Waste not, want not I guess.
Kinda hard to believe something that simple, right?
But... if you have made it this far, few people know that most analine
dyes are made from coal tar and its by products. But back on topic,
check this thread out:
http://forum.canadianwoodworking.com/showthread.php?t=24817
And the second post here actually has some hybrid recipe that uses
tar:
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=12057
There are even instructions on how to do it in step three, here:
http://www.diynetwork.com/how-to/how-to-make-homemade-stains/index.html
Who knew, eh? The things we scribble about on a rainy day...
Robert
[email protected] wrote:
> On 08 Dec 2009 12:44:03 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> I was cleaning the gas out of the snow blower (I know... should have done
>> it 8 months ago) and couldn't help but wonder if gasoline could be used to
>> finish wood. If it evaporates in a carborator, it leaves deposits that dry
>> to a varnish hard finish, so mightn't that work on wood?
>>
>> It'd be a little dangerous to be around open flames with the stuff, but
>> then again most finishes are like that. Except for the solvent side not
>> evaporating completely, I don't see why gasoline wouldn't work.
>>
>> (I'm NOT posting a question to a car group asking if I can run my engine on
>> shellac. :-))
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
> Why would you want to do this? Gasoline has very little in the way of
> solids, and the smell would be a long term issue.
I'm thinking of taking a piss on my next project to see how that turns out. Probably not
that much different than fuming with ammonia, right?
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Swingman wrote:
> Steve Turner wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of taking a piss on my next project to see how that turns
>> out. Probably not that much different than fuming with ammonia, right?
>
> Eat asparagus first.
Roger that. :-)
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:54:56 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Gosoline does nof contain varnish - it forms varnish as it
>>> oxidizes. - so gasoline evaporating off the wood will NOT leave a
>>> finish.
>>
>> So uh,,, it leaves ...varnish? ;~)
>>
>>
>>
>>
> No, it doesn't because it evaporates off, it doesn't oxydize or
> polymerize.
What it leaves is dye, detergent, and additives.
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:41:08 -0600, the infamous Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>> I'm thinking of taking a piss on my next project to see how that turns out. Probably not
>> that much different than fuming with ammonia, right?
>
> You can piss on copper for a nice patina, but on wood, it just leaves
> a horrible odor. If you're a pet owner, you won't notice it, but
> everyone else who comes into your home will. YMMV.
NOW you tell me :-)
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Leon wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Who knew, eh? The things we scribble about on a rainy day...
>
> Speaking of which.... ;~) Let me ask you a strange question
> concerning tar..........and when you were a kid.......
>
> Did you ever chew the stuff? Yeah, I did. Before you think to
> your self, so that is what is wrong with Leon. ;~) I have only
> recently dared to admit this fact about my youth and it seems that
> several people that I know most in their 60's also chewed tar when
> they were kids. ;~)
Yeah, I did (76). On a hot day the streets in KC would get a bit soft...dig
down to the "clean" stuff, dig out a chunk and chew away. Why? Beats me,
must have tasted terrible. The only possible reason I can think of is that
there was/is a chewing gum called "Blackjack" which looked like tar...it
cost money, street tar didn't.
I also used to chew wheat. It wasn't bad.
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On 08 Dec 2009 12:44:03 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>I was cleaning the gas out of the snow blower (I know... should have done
>it 8 months ago) and couldn't help but wonder if gasoline could be used to
>finish wood. If it evaporates in a carborator, it leaves deposits that dry
>to a varnish hard finish, so mightn't that work on wood?
>
>It'd be a little dangerous to be around open flames with the stuff, but
>then again most finishes are like that. Except for the solvent side not
>evaporating completely, I don't see why gasoline wouldn't work.
>
>(I'm NOT posting a question to a car group asking if I can run my engine on
>shellac. :-))
>
>Puckdropper
Sounds like gasoline on wood will dissolve resins and possibly stain
since gasoline contains a variety of mostly low-chain hydrocarbons.
You can always try in on a scrap piece, but messing with gasoline is
not a good idea. Petroleum jelly might work, and certainly safer and
cleaner. Mineral oil is another good choice for wooden kitchen
utensils.
On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:41:08 -0600, the infamous Steve Turner
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On 08 Dec 2009 12:44:03 GMT, Puckdropper
>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was cleaning the gas out of the snow blower (I know... should have done
>>> it 8 months ago) and couldn't help but wonder if gasoline could be used to
>>> finish wood. If it evaporates in a carborator, it leaves deposits that dry
>>> to a varnish hard finish, so mightn't that work on wood?
>>>
>>> It'd be a little dangerous to be around open flames with the stuff, but
>>> then again most finishes are like that. Except for the solvent side not
>>> evaporating completely, I don't see why gasoline wouldn't work.
>>>
>>> (I'm NOT posting a question to a car group asking if I can run my engine on
>>> shellac. :-))
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>
>> Why would you want to do this? Gasoline has very little in the way of
>> solids, and the smell would be a long term issue.
>
>I'm thinking of taking a piss on my next project to see how that turns out. Probably not
>that much different than fuming with ammonia, right?
You can piss on copper for a nice patina, but on wood, it just leaves
a horrible odor. If you're a pet owner, you won't notice it, but
everyone else who comes into your home will. YMMV.
--
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to what the world tells you you ought to prefer,
is to have kept your soul alive.
-- Robert Louis Stevenson
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:10:37 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> You can piss on copper for a nice patina, but on wood, it just leaves
>> a horrible odor. If you're a pet owner, you won't notice it, but
>> everyone else who comes into your home will. YMMV.
>
>
>So are you saying that if I piss on some wood in my house and get rid of my
>dog no one will notice? ;~)
Yeah, go ahead and try that Leon. Let us know how you fare.
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to what the world tells you you ought to prefer,
is to have kept your soul alive.
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On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:54:56 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Gosoline does nof contain varnish - it forms varnish as it oxidizes. -
>> so gasoline evaporating off the wood will NOT leave a finish.
>
>So uh,,, it leaves ...varnish? ;~)
>
>
>
>
No, it doesn't because it evaporates off, it doesn't oxydize or
polymerize.
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:40:09 -0800, "Nonny" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Leon wrote:
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>>> Who knew, eh? The things we scribble about on a rainy day...
>>>
>>> Speaking of which.... ;~) Let me ask you a strange question
>>> concerning tar..........and when you were a kid.......
>>>
>>> Did you ever chew the stuff? Yeah, I did. Before you
>>> think to
>>> your self, so that is what is wrong with Leon. ;~) I have
>>> only
>>> recently dared to admit this fact about my youth and it seems
>>> that
>>> several people that I know most in their 60's also chewed tar
>>> when
>>> they were kids. ;~)
>>
>> Yeah, I did (76). On a hot day the streets in KC would get a
>> bit soft...dig down to the "clean" stuff, dig out a chunk and
>> chew away. Why? Beats me, must have tasted terrible. The only
>> possible reason I can think of is that there was/is a chewing
>> gum called "Blackjack" which looked like tar...it cost money,
>> street tar didn't.
>>
>> I also used to chew wheat. It wasn't bad.
>
>Since we were in the same area (UMKC, Marshall MO) what was the
>grass stem that kids would slip apart mid stem and chew? I used
>to call it Crab Grass and what the stem was would correspond to
>the seed-bearing shoot it sends up every 20 minutes or so it
>seemed.
Brome grass, or Broom grass.
Also Timothy. Timothy was sweeter, particularly if it wasn't too
mature.
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>> Who knew, eh? The things we scribble about on a rainy day...
>>
>> Speaking of which.... ;~) Let me ask you a strange question
>> concerning tar..........and when you were a kid.......
>>
>> Did you ever chew the stuff? Yeah, I did. Before you
>> think to
>> your self, so that is what is wrong with Leon. ;~) I have
>> only
>> recently dared to admit this fact about my youth and it seems
>> that
>> several people that I know most in their 60's also chewed tar
>> when
>> they were kids. ;~)
>
> Yeah, I did (76). On a hot day the streets in KC would get a
> bit soft...dig down to the "clean" stuff, dig out a chunk and
> chew away. Why? Beats me, must have tasted terrible. The only
> possible reason I can think of is that there was/is a chewing
> gum called "Blackjack" which looked like tar...it cost money,
> street tar didn't.
>
> I also used to chew wheat. It wasn't bad.
Since we were in the same area (UMKC, Marshall MO) what was the
grass stem that kids would slip apart mid stem and chew? I used
to call it Crab Grass and what the stem was would correspond to
the seed-bearing shoot it sends up every 20 minutes or so it
seemed.
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:54:56 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Gosoline does nof contain varnish - it forms varnish as it oxidizes. -
>>> so gasoline evaporating off the wood will NOT leave a finish.
>>
>>So uh,,, it leaves ...varnish? ;~)
>>
>>
>>
>>
> No, it doesn't because it evaporates off, it doesn't oxydize or
> polymerize.
I'm sorry, I could not resist. I hope the hook was not set too deep. ;~)