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[email protected] (Ian Dodd)

13/11/2004 8:15 AM

Wabi Sabi vs. David Pye

Wreckers,

I've been taking a lot of books out of the library recently on
Japanese aesthetics and Japanese woodworking tools and techniques.
I've been really intrigued by the concept of "wabi sabi" which has
been prevalent in much of Japanese craft/utilitarian design.

Sometimes wabi sabi is translated as "the art of impermanence". Other
authors have phrased it as "the patina of the old and the flash of the
new". (Some have passed it off as "the new Feng Shui", but that's
topic for another thread.) Everyone agrees that it is a difficult
concept to translate concisely. In short, for those not familiar with
it, it is the idea developed by Zen Buddhist monks and tea ceremony
masters that items should be simple, made of natural materials, and
that they need not be perfect. Indeed, it is their imperfections that
make these objects more dear because perfection leaves no room for
improvement while imperfect suggests the infinite possibilities.

But even as I was doing this reading, I kept thinking back to another
book I loved, David Pye's "The Art and Nature of Craftsmanship" which
I'm sure many of you have read. In it he discusses the "craftsmanhip
of risk" (handcrafted) as in different from the "craftsmanship of
certainty" (machine made). It's a fascinting treatise on how a
craftsman does everything he can to reduce the risk and increase the
certainty of his results. Pye has a phrase for objects some observers
may praise as having "wabi sabi" qualities: "gritty pots and hoary
cloth".

So, on the one hand, we have a school of thought that values design
that is direct, unadorned and doesn't try to hide its imperfections,
made by "the unkown craftsman" (to borrow the title of Soetsu Yanagi's
book). On the other hand, we have Pye's advocation of mastering the
materials and techniques of one's craft to be able to fully realize
the potential of an item.

Which leaves me conflicted. While I can appreciate the concepts of
the wabi sabi approach and genuinely like much of Japanese design, why
would any self-respecting craftsman not put his heart and soul into
doing the very best that he can to design and build objects worthy of
appreciation? Indeed, when I read about the extraordinary lengths
Japanese master carpenters and metalsmiths used to go to, I have to
beleive they were not thinking "Oh, it's okay if this joint is a
little loose or this blade a little rough because, after all, it's
wabi sabi."

I'm building a chest of drawers now which follows some of the concepts
of "wabi sabi" in that is being made of natural materials (wood) and
has a simple design without fancy adornment and unhidden joinery (what
I call "honest construction"). But at the same time, I'm doing my
darnedest to minimize the mistakes and make it the very best that I am
capable of, both for my own satisfaction and that of the end user (who
happens to be SWMBO). All of this kind of leaves me thinking of a
phrase by the American photographer John Sexton: "Strive for
perfection. Tolerate excellence."

What think you guys?


This topic has 4 replies

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in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 13/11/2004 8:15 AM

13/11/2004 9:45 PM

On 13 Nov 2004 08:15:16 -0800, [email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote:

>Wreckers,
>
>I've been taking a lot of books out of the library recently on
>Japanese aesthetics and Japanese woodworking tools and techniques.
>I've been really intrigued by the concept of "wabi sabi" which has
>been prevalent in much of Japanese craft/utilitarian design.
>
>Sometimes wabi sabi is translated as "the art of impermanence". Other
>authors have phrased it as "the patina of the old and the flash of the
>new". (Some have passed it off as "the new Feng Shui", but that's
>topic for another thread.) Everyone agrees that it is a difficult
>concept to translate concisely. In short, for those not familiar with
>it, it is the idea developed by Zen Buddhist monks and tea ceremony
>masters that items should be simple, made of natural materials, and
>that they need not be perfect. Indeed, it is their imperfections that
>make these objects more dear because perfection leaves no room for
>improvement while imperfect suggests the infinite possibilities.
>
>But even as I was doing this reading, I kept thinking back to another
>book I loved, David Pye's "The Art and Nature of Craftsmanship" which
>I'm sure many of you have read. In it he discusses the "craftsmanhip
>of risk" (handcrafted) as in different from the "craftsmanship of
>certainty" (machine made). It's a fascinting treatise on how a
>craftsman does everything he can to reduce the risk and increase the
>certainty of his results. Pye has a phrase for objects some observers
>may praise as having "wabi sabi" qualities: "gritty pots and hoary
>cloth".
>
>So, on the one hand, we have a school of thought that values design
>that is direct, unadorned and doesn't try to hide its imperfections,
>made by "the unkown craftsman" (to borrow the title of Soetsu Yanagi's
>book). On the other hand, we have Pye's advocation of mastering the
>materials and techniques of one's craft to be able to fully realize
>the potential of an item.

I think someone is seriously misunderstanding what is going on.
To get another perspective, I'd suggest reading D. T. Suzuki's "Zen
Buddhism", which has an extensive discussion of this matter of wabi,
sabi and Japanese aesthetics, especially in relation to the objects
used in the tea ceremony.

Ignore for a minute the stuff about 'deliberate imperfections' because
they leave room for improvement. I've never, ever heard that as a
Japanese concept, either in classic or modern Japanese contexts.

Try this instead: There is always mastery in the Japanese aesthetic.
The question is where the mastery lies.

In the case of objects used in tea ceremony, the masters of some
schools did indeed use ordinary inexpensive cups and other ware from
the marketplace. However they didn't use just any cups. They carefully
examined hundreds, or thousands, of them to find the ones that were
accidentally beautiful. In other words the mastery came in the
selection, aided by the differences in the individual cups produced by
the production process.

Having seen some tea articles assembled by masters in this way I can
tell you that they are stunning in an austere sort of way.

I think part of the problem in Pye's formulation lies in confusing
'random' with 'imperfection'. The processes commonly used by craftsmen
can eliminate randomness only with great effort. But we can control at
least most of the effects of the randomness and the result is anything
but imperfection. We use that randomness to help us produce beauty.
That's why we eagerly seek out the wood with the most random grain for
some objects and pay a premium to get it.

In other words, we _use_ that randomness in the pursuit of
craftsmanship and one aspect of mastery is the ability to make the
best possible use of the materials and processes we have.

--RC


>Which leaves me conflicted. While I can appreciate the concepts of
>the wabi sabi approach and genuinely like much of Japanese design, why
>would any self-respecting craftsman not put his heart and soul into
>doing the very best that he can to design and build objects worthy of
>appreciation? Indeed, when I read about the extraordinary lengths
>Japanese master carpenters and metalsmiths used to go to, I have to
>beleive they were not thinking "Oh, it's okay if this joint is a
>little loose or this blade a little rough because, after all, it's
>wabi sabi."
>
>I'm building a chest of drawers now which follows some of the concepts
>of "wabi sabi" in that is being made of natural materials (wood) and
>has a simple design without fancy adornment and unhidden joinery (what
>I call "honest construction"). But at the same time, I'm doing my
>darnedest to minimize the mistakes and make it the very best that I am
>capable of, both for my own satisfaction and that of the end user (who
>happens to be SWMBO). All of this kind of leaves me thinking of a
>phrase by the American photographer John Sexton: "Strive for
>perfection. Tolerate excellence."
>
>What think you guys?

Sleep? Isn't that a totally inadequate substitute for caffine?

Dj

"Dave jackson"

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 13/11/2004 8:15 AM

14/11/2004 4:56 AM

Think perfect craftsmanship, with imperfect materials.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 13 Nov 2004 08:15:16 -0800, [email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote:
>
>>Wreckers,
>>
>>I've been taking a lot of books out of the library recently on
>>Japanese aesthetics and Japanese woodworking tools and techniques.
>>I've been really intrigued by the concept of "wabi sabi" which has
>>been prevalent in much of Japanese craft/utilitarian design.
>>
>>Sometimes wabi sabi is translated as "the art of impermanence". Other
>>authors have phrased it as "the patina of the old and the flash of the
>>new". (Some have passed it off as "the new Feng Shui", but that's
>>topic for another thread.) Everyone agrees that it is a difficult
>>concept to translate concisely. In short, for those not familiar with
>>it, it is the idea developed by Zen Buddhist monks and tea ceremony
>>masters that items should be simple, made of natural materials, and
>>that they need not be perfect. Indeed, it is their imperfections that
>>make these objects more dear because perfection leaves no room for
>>improvement while imperfect suggests the infinite possibilities.
>>
>>But even as I was doing this reading, I kept thinking back to another
>>book I loved, David Pye's "The Art and Nature of Craftsmanship" which
>>I'm sure many of you have read. In it he discusses the "craftsmanhip
>>of risk" (handcrafted) as in different from the "craftsmanship of
>>certainty" (machine made). It's a fascinting treatise on how a
>>craftsman does everything he can to reduce the risk and increase the
>>certainty of his results. Pye has a phrase for objects some observers
>>may praise as having "wabi sabi" qualities: "gritty pots and hoary
>>cloth".
>>
>>So, on the one hand, we have a school of thought that values design
>>that is direct, unadorned and doesn't try to hide its imperfections,
>>made by "the unkown craftsman" (to borrow the title of Soetsu Yanagi's
>>book). On the other hand, we have Pye's advocation of mastering the
>>materials and techniques of one's craft to be able to fully realize
>>the potential of an item.
>
> I think someone is seriously misunderstanding what is going on.
> To get another perspective, I'd suggest reading D. T. Suzuki's "Zen
> Buddhism", which has an extensive discussion of this matter of wabi,
> sabi and Japanese aesthetics, especially in relation to the objects
> used in the tea ceremony.
>
> Ignore for a minute the stuff about 'deliberate imperfections' because
> they leave room for improvement. I've never, ever heard that as a
> Japanese concept, either in classic or modern Japanese contexts.
>
> Try this instead: There is always mastery in the Japanese aesthetic.
> The question is where the mastery lies.
>
> In the case of objects used in tea ceremony, the masters of some
> schools did indeed use ordinary inexpensive cups and other ware from
> the marketplace. However they didn't use just any cups. They carefully
> examined hundreds, or thousands, of them to find the ones that were
> accidentally beautiful. In other words the mastery came in the
> selection, aided by the differences in the individual cups produced by
> the production process.
>
> Having seen some tea articles assembled by masters in this way I can
> tell you that they are stunning in an austere sort of way.
>
> I think part of the problem in Pye's formulation lies in confusing
> 'random' with 'imperfection'. The processes commonly used by craftsmen
> can eliminate randomness only with great effort. But we can control at
> least most of the effects of the randomness and the result is anything
> but imperfection. We use that randomness to help us produce beauty.
> That's why we eagerly seek out the wood with the most random grain for
> some objects and pay a premium to get it.
>
> In other words, we _use_ that randomness in the pursuit of
> craftsmanship and one aspect of mastery is the ability to make the
> best possible use of the materials and processes we have.
>
> --RC
>
>
>>Which leaves me conflicted. While I can appreciate the concepts of
>>the wabi sabi approach and genuinely like much of Japanese design, why
>>would any self-respecting craftsman not put his heart and soul into
>>doing the very best that he can to design and build objects worthy of
>>appreciation? Indeed, when I read about the extraordinary lengths
>>Japanese master carpenters and metalsmiths used to go to, I have to
>>beleive they were not thinking "Oh, it's okay if this joint is a
>>little loose or this blade a little rough because, after all, it's
>>wabi sabi."
>>
>>I'm building a chest of drawers now which follows some of the concepts
>>of "wabi sabi" in that is being made of natural materials (wood) and
>>has a simple design without fancy adornment and unhidden joinery (what
>>I call "honest construction"). But at the same time, I'm doing my
>>darnedest to minimize the mistakes and make it the very best that I am
>>capable of, both for my own satisfaction and that of the end user (who
>>happens to be SWMBO). All of this kind of leaves me thinking of a
>>phrase by the American photographer John Sexton: "Strive for
>>perfection. Tolerate excellence."
>>
>>What think you guys?
>
> Sleep? Isn't that a totally inadequate substitute for caffine?
>

AD

Andy Dingley

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 13/11/2004 8:15 AM

13/11/2004 6:22 PM

On 13 Nov 2004 08:15:16 -0800, [email protected] (Ian Dodd) wrote:

> "Oh, it's okay if this joint is a
>little loose or this blade a little rough because, after all, it's
>wabi sabi."

Why did Nakashima allow a huge crack down the centre of his natural
tables, but tie the two sides together with a perfectly fitted
butterfly key ?

That's the difference between wabi sabi and sloppiness.

JH

Juergen Hannappel

in reply to [email protected] (Ian Dodd) on 13/11/2004 8:15 AM

13/11/2004 5:22 PM

[email protected] (Ian Dodd) writes:


[...]

> I'm building a chest of drawers now which follows some of the concepts
> of "wabi sabi" in that is being made of natural materials (wood) and
> has a simple design without fancy adornment and unhidden joinery (what
> I call "honest construction"). But at the same time, I'm doing my
> darnedest to minimize the mistakes and make it the very best that I am
> capable of, both for my own satisfaction and that of the end user (who
> happens to be SWMBO). All of this kind of leaves me thinking of a
> phrase by the American photographer John Sexton: "Strive for
> perfection. Tolerate excellence."
>
> What think you guys?

A very agreable point of view. By the way, would in you parenthesis
about the end user HWMBO be more correct?
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