Monday morning, (10/08/12), the price of gas is now $4.55/gal at
the local cash & carry.
------------------------------------
Thursday afternoon, (11/08/12), the price of gas is now $3.65/gal at
the local cash & carry.
$0.90/gallon price reduction in 30 days, a 20% change.
The chain jerking continues.
Alternate energy anybody?
Lew
In article <[email protected]>, Han
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Aren't a good proportion of the homes in LA simple 1 or 2-story
> dwellings? Then applying PV shingles or panel collectors could take a
> lot of that at least there. And the sunnier areas of CA could supply the
> rainier ones. But I have NOT done the math. And indeed night time is a
> bummer for PV.
A major problem with solar is that it is not viable without serious
subsidy from the taxpayer. A quick bit of searching will reveal many
cases of solar farms laying idle, or providing a small percentage of
the power promised.
Google itself has had/is having BIG problems with its solar arrays, as
are many countries in the EU, and in the USA solar companies are
shutting their doors or moving as soon as the subsidies dry up.
Solar is good for lots of things... generating electricity,
unfortunately, doesn't seem to be one of them. The panels are too
expensive, and require lots of maintenance while underperforming for a
variety of technical problems.
--
I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I
like fishing because it¹s the one thing I can think of that probably doesn¹t.
John Gierach
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
> Alternate energy anybody?
----------------------------------------
"HeyBub" wrote:
> Er, no. No one in their right mind would consider "alternate" energy
> for wide-scale use.
>
> Here's just one example:
>
> The amount of radiation energy falling on the surface of the earth
> is
> about 3 kw per sq meter. At the equator. At noon. With no clouds.
>
> To power California (50+ GW) with 50% efficient solar collectors,
> and
> adjusting for 12 hours of darkness, latitude, clouds, etc., we find
> we'd need a solar collector farm the size of the Los Angeles basin.
> About 1200 sq miles.
>
> Can you imagine the cost to install and maintain such a monstrosity?
>
> The only way to improve these numbers is to move the orbit of the
> earth closer to the sun.
>
> The good news, however, is that residents of Los Angeles would be
> living in the shade.
--------------------------------------------------
"Han" wrote:
> Aren't a good proportion of the homes in LA simple 1 or 2-story
> dwellings? Then applying PV shingles or panel collectors could take
> a
> lot of that at least there. And the sunnier areas of CA could
> supply the
> rainier ones. But I have NOT done the math. And indeed night time
> is a
> bummer for PV.
-------------------------------------------------
"Alternate energy" is not limited to solar.
Geo-thermal, hydro and wind are also "Alternate energy" sources.
Natural gas as a "bridge" fuel for buses and 18 wheeler fleets for
the next 20-30 years is a reality.
The Long Beach/Los Angeles port authority is moving forward with
a multi billion $ expansion. Only N/G fueled trucks will be allowed
in the port area when completed.
Not only is N/G more cost effective as a motor fuel but air pollution
is
significantly reduced.
Yes, most of the L/A basin consists of buildings of 3 stories or less.
BTW, the local utility, (Southern California Edison), has a low cost
solar package available for customers whose electric bill is
$150/month minimum.
SFWIW, almost 20% of SCE's power is already provided by solar
with more capacity under construction.
"HeyBub", time to pull your head out of your ass and smell the roses.
Lew
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Monday morning, (10/08/12), the price of gas is now $4.55/gal at
> the local cash & carry.
> ------------------------------------
> Thursday afternoon, (11/08/12), the price of gas is now $3.65/gal at
> the local cash & carry.
>
> $0.90/gallon price reduction in 30 days, a 20% change.
>
> The chain jerking continues.
>
> Alternate energy anybody?
>
Er, no. No one in their right mind would consider "alternate" energy for
wide-scale use.
Here's just one example:
The amount of radiation energy falling on the surface of the earth is about
3 kw per sq meter. At the equator. At noon. With no clouds.
To power California (50+ GW) with 50% efficient solar collectors, and
adjusting for 12 hours of darkness, latitude, clouds, etc., we find we'd
need a solar collector farm the size of the Los Angeles basin. About 1200 sq
miles.
Can you imagine the cost to install and maintain such a monstrosity?
The only way to improve these numbers is to move the orbit of the earth
closer to the sun.
The good news, however, is that residents of Los Angeles would be living in
the shade.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Monday morning, (10/08/12), the price of gas is now $4.55/gal at
>> the local cash & carry.
>> ------------------------------------
>> Thursday afternoon, (11/08/12), the price of gas is now $3.65/gal at
>> the local cash & carry.
>>
>> $0.90/gallon price reduction in 30 days, a 20% change.
>>
>> The chain jerking continues.
>>
>> Alternate energy anybody?
>>
>
> Er, no. No one in their right mind would consider "alternate" energy
> for wide-scale use.
>
> Here's just one example:
>
> The amount of radiation energy falling on the surface of the earth is
> about 3 kw per sq meter. At the equator. At noon. With no clouds.
>
> To power California (50+ GW) with 50% efficient solar collectors, and
> adjusting for 12 hours of darkness, latitude, clouds, etc., we find
> we'd need a solar collector farm the size of the Los Angeles basin.
> About 1200 sq miles.
>
> Can you imagine the cost to install and maintain such a monstrosity?
>
> The only way to improve these numbers is to move the orbit of the
> earth closer to the sun.
>
> The good news, however, is that residents of Los Angeles would be
> living in the shade.
Aren't a good proportion of the homes in LA simple 1 or 2-story
dwellings? Then applying PV shingles or panel collectors could take a
lot of that at least there. And the sunnier areas of CA could supply the
rainier ones. But I have NOT done the math. And indeed night time is a
bummer for PV.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:509d54d8$0$33469
[email protected]:
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>
>> Alternate energy anybody?
> ----------------------------------------
> "HeyBub" wrote:
>
>> Er, no. No one in their right mind would consider "alternate" energy
>> for wide-scale use.
>>
>> Here's just one example:
>>
>> The amount of radiation energy falling on the surface of the earth
>> is
>> about 3 kw per sq meter. At the equator. At noon. With no clouds.
>>
>> To power California (50+ GW) with 50% efficient solar collectors,
>> and
>> adjusting for 12 hours of darkness, latitude, clouds, etc., we find
>> we'd need a solar collector farm the size of the Los Angeles basin.
>> About 1200 sq miles.
>>
>> Can you imagine the cost to install and maintain such a monstrosity?
>>
>> The only way to improve these numbers is to move the orbit of the
>> earth closer to the sun.
>>
>> The good news, however, is that residents of Los Angeles would be
>> living in the shade.
> --------------------------------------------------
> "Han" wrote:
>
>> Aren't a good proportion of the homes in LA simple 1 or 2-story
>> dwellings? Then applying PV shingles or panel collectors could take
>> a
>> lot of that at least there. And the sunnier areas of CA could
>> supply the
>> rainier ones. But I have NOT done the math. And indeed night time
>> is a
>> bummer for PV.
> -------------------------------------------------
> "Alternate energy" is not limited to solar.
>
> Geo-thermal, hydro and wind are also "Alternate energy" sources.
>
> Natural gas as a "bridge" fuel for buses and 18 wheeler fleets for
> the next 20-30 years is a reality.
>
> The Long Beach/Los Angeles port authority is moving forward with
> a multi billion $ expansion. Only N/G fueled trucks will be allowed
> in the port area when completed.
>
> Not only is N/G more cost effective as a motor fuel but air pollution
> is
> significantly reduced.
>
> Yes, most of the L/A basin consists of buildings of 3 stories or less.
>
> BTW, the local utility, (Southern California Edison), has a low cost
> solar package available for customers whose electric bill is
> $150/month minimum.
>
> SFWIW, almost 20% of SCE's power is already provided by solar
> with more capacity under construction.
>
> "HeyBub", time to pull your head out of your ass and smell the roses.
>
> Lew
Roses? Waht about this flower?
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Amorphophallus_Wilhel
ma.jpg>
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in
news:091120121820024735%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:
> In article <[email protected]>, Han
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Aren't a good proportion of the homes in LA simple 1 or 2-story
>> dwellings? Then applying PV shingles or panel collectors could take
>> a lot of that at least there. And the sunnier areas of CA could
>> supply the rainier ones. But I have NOT done the math. And indeed
>> night time is a bummer for PV.
>
> A major problem with solar is that it is not viable without serious
> subsidy from the taxpayer. A quick bit of searching will reveal many
> cases of solar farms laying idle, or providing a small percentage of
> the power promised.
>
> Google itself has had/is having BIG problems with its solar arrays, as
> are many countries in the EU, and in the USA solar companies are
> shutting their doors or moving as soon as the subsidies dry up.
>
> Solar is good for lots of things... generating electricity,
> unfortunately, doesn't seem to be one of them. The panels are too
> expensive, and require lots of maintenance while underperforming for a
> variety of technical problems.
I /knew/ PSEG could have done better things than buying and installing
all those solar panels on our utility poles.
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/c7zrg2r>
Upgrading NJ's infrastructure probably would have been more efficient and
useful, even if it was just tree trimming.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On 11/8/2012 8:12 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/8/2012 7:58 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Monday morning, (10/08/12), the price of gas is now $4.55/gal at
>> the local cash & carry.
>> ------------------------------------
>> Thursday afternoon, (11/08/12), the price of gas is now $3.65/gal at
>> the local cash & carry.
>>
>> $0.90/gallon price reduction in 30 days, a 20% change.
>>
>> The chain jerking continues.
>>
>> Alternate energy anybody?
>>
>> Lew
>
> I finally get it Lew, you want gasoline to be $15 per gallon so that
> alternative energy might be cheaper. As long as it is less than $10 you ain't
> happy.
As long as gas is being SOLD, Lew isn't happy.
--
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(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
To reply, eat the taco.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Han" wrote:
>>
>> Roses? Waht about this flower?
>> <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Amorphophallus_Wilhel
>> ma.jpg>
> ----------------------------------------
> Won't load.
>
> Try tiny.url
>
Just remove the > and the space after you paste the url in. Works just
fine.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Monday morning, (10/08/12), the price of gas is now $4.55/gal at
> the local cash & carry.
> ------------------------------------
> Thursday afternoon, (11/08/12), the price of gas is now $3.65/gal at
> the local cash & carry.
>
> $0.90/gallon price reduction in 30 days, a 20% change.
>
> The chain jerking continues.
>
> Alternate energy anybody?
>
> Lew
>
>
>
Don't get PO'ed about this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/urine-powered-generator-unveiled-international-exhibition-234718329.html
>
>
>
On 11/8/2012 7:58 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Monday morning, (10/08/12), the price of gas is now $4.55/gal at
> the local cash & carry.
> ------------------------------------
> Thursday afternoon, (11/08/12), the price of gas is now $3.65/gal at
> the local cash & carry.
>
> $0.90/gallon price reduction in 30 days, a 20% change.
>
> The chain jerking continues.
>
> Alternate energy anybody?
>
> Lew
I finally get it Lew, you want gasoline to be $15 per gallon so that
alternative energy might be cheaper. As long as it is less than $10 you
ain't happy.