maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
south of the border
a good time to start the conversation on methods and techniques and
materials
kiln dried douglas fir comes to mind first
light and strong
but for the treads traditional dowels might not be durable enough
i think bolting the treads so the edge is stepped on is the quickest
way to go
this way no material is removed and hence no cuts just drill then
glue and bolt
nut and bolt so that they can be tightened and loosened for quick
assembly
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:49:24 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/13/2016 3:21 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>
>> Here's a nutty idea... Build a couple casinos a couple hour's drive from
>> the US border, say 50-100 miles. This is IN Mexico. Now we'll have flow
>> moving in both directions and the net will be 0. Problem solved!
>>
>> I still don't understand the appeal of a machine you put a coin in, pull a
>> lever and it tells you if you won.
>>
>> Puckdropper
>>
>
>But the next pull may be the big jackpot . . . Just like the various
>lottery tickets. The lower your income the more you buy. Tax on the
>uneducated mostly.
Yes, it's well known as a "poor tax" or a "stupid tax". When I lived
in Alabama, it was rather nice that gas stations and grocery stores
weren't littered up with scratch-offs. OTOH, every corner seemed to
have two "title loan" or "payday loan" storefronts. That's not unique
to Alabama, though.
As far as casinos go, I might get interested in playing cards or dice,
in the right circumstances. A video machine? Not a chance. ;-)
On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-8, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 06:38:17 +0000 (UTC)
> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> > Lots of over-head power lines around the city for electric trains and
> > busses, which by necessity are uninsulated. So metal ladders are
> > considered an electrocution risk.
>
> and fiberglass ladders are heavy and more expensive
Maybe not more expensive; remember, this is a multi-employee shop,
and it takes days to build/rebuild a ladder. I'd think, though, that
'heavy' is probably correct.
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:12:36 -0500, Keith Nuttle
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/19/2016 10:37 AM, Brewster wrote:
>> On 11/13/16 11:30 AM, Markem wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:37:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2016 12:24 PM, notbob wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-11-12, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
>>>>>> south of the border
>>>>>
>>>>> .....or ropes.
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We need to do something to stop the flow but I hope those that will be
>>>> considering securing the borders with walls also consider that a lot of
>>>> the unwanted across the border traffic is underground.
>>>
>>> Nope Trump in going to build a line of Condos from the Gulf to the
>>> pacific, and there's your wall.
>>>
>>
>> I heard he was going to add Chris Christie to his cabinet to be the wall.
>>
>> I'd actually prefer a moat, with sharks (or sea bass) and lasers...
>>
>> -BR
>>
>
>I believe what is being missed with our new President is he is a
>business man at heart. His actions will not be control by what is
>politically correct or if it gives you a fuzzy feeling inside.
>
>As we have seen with Christy, if President Trump does not like the job
>you are doing your are replaced.
>
>Just for the record in the first two weeks after obama election the
>market dropped 10%. In the first two weeks after President Trump's
>election the market is up 5%. It looks like the market expects good
>thing with Mr Trump as president.
Did I miss Apple talking about making iPhones, or Ford about bringing
auto manufacturing back to the US when Barak was elected? Barak got
the Nobel Peace Prize, so they must have and I just missed it.
On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 6:02:41 PM UTC-5, Sonny wrote:
> On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 9:29:43 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>=20
> > Staying true to both the subject line and the purpose of this ng,
> > here is a picture of the ladder I "constructed" yesterday. ;-)
> >=20
> > http://i.imgur.com/CxUUc2d.jpg
> >=20
> > It was quicky job so that there is a ladder available for a Thanksgivin=
g=20
> > guest. When I built the bed ~25 years ago, my son was happy with climbi=
ng
> > the "ladder end" of the bed, so I never built a ladder.
> >=20
> > I used a trick I found on youtube to level the steps. I determined the=
=20
> > angle of the rails then cut the bottoms and attached the hooks. I then
> > attached each step with a single, centered 3.5" #9 deck screw through=
=20
> > the rails and into each end of the steps. Once the ladder was on the be=
d,=20
> > I rotated each step until it was level and then used 2 more screws alon=
g=20
> > the center line to secure them.
> >=20
> > 3 #9 screws into each end of the steps will get me through the holiday=
=20
> > weekend. If I decide to make a "real" ladder, I'll dado the rails and=
=20
> > set the steps in.
>=20
> Both the bed and ladder look nice. How about some stain on that later l=
adder!?
>=20
> I inherited 2 extension wooden ladders. Not sure how old they are, but t=
hey are light weight. Two lengths of one ladder are 12' long each and the =
two lengths of the other ladder are 18' long each. Lots of splattered pai=
nt on both and they're in very good shape... a little rust on the hardware.=
I was told they were once used by the New Orleans fire department. I'v=
e never thought to look for a makers mark/label. One end (the bottom end?=
) of each are bent/bowed/flared out, rather than being parallel or having a=
straight gradual widening. The rungs are round, not flat boards.
>=20
> Sonny
Many years ago I found an old wooden ladder with flared legs on the curb.
The rungs were square, maybe 2" wide and the ends had been turned round so
they could be inserted into holes in the rails.=20
It was the perfect height for cleaning the gutters on the overhang in front=
=20
of my garage. I used it for many years until one day I bumped into it - har=
d -
and knocked it down. It hit the driveway and broke into about 6 pieces.
I call that a sign. :-)
On 11/12/2016 12:24 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-11-12, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
>> south of the border
>
> .....or ropes.
>
> nb
>
We need to do something to stop the flow but I hope those that will be
considering securing the borders with walls also consider that a lot of
the unwanted across the border traffic is underground.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:57qdncQ5Jd5-C7XFnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
>
> We need to do something to stop the flow but I hope those that will be
> considering securing the borders with walls also consider that a lot of
> the unwanted across the border traffic is underground.
Here's a nutty idea... Build a couple casinos a couple hour's drive from
the US border, say 50-100 miles. This is IN Mexico. Now we'll have flow
moving in both directions and the net will be 0. Problem solved!
I still don't understand the appeal of a machine you put a coin in, pull a
lever and it tells you if you won.
Puckdropper
On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 6:02:41 PM UTC-5, Sonny wrote:
> On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 9:29:43 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>=20
> > Staying true to both the subject line and the purpose of this ng,
> > here is a picture of the ladder I "constructed" yesterday. ;-)
> >=20
> > http://i.imgur.com/CxUUc2d.jpg
> >=20
> > It was quicky job so that there is a ladder available for a Thanksgivin=
g=20
> > guest. When I built the bed ~25 years ago, my son was happy with climbi=
ng
> > the "ladder end" of the bed, so I never built a ladder.
> >=20
> > I used a trick I found on youtube to level the steps. I determined the=
=20
> > angle of the rails then cut the bottoms and attached the hooks. I then
> > attached each step with a single, centered 3.5" #9 deck screw through=
=20
> > the rails and into each end of the steps. Once the ladder was on the be=
d,=20
> > I rotated each step until it was level and then used 2 more screws alon=
g=20
> > the center line to secure them.
> >=20
> > 3 #9 screws into each end of the steps will get me through the holiday=
=20
> > weekend. If I decide to make a "real" ladder, I'll dado the rails and=
=20
> > set the steps in.
>=20
> Both the bed and ladder look nice. How about some stain on that later l=
adder!?
That will definitely happen. This was a "It's Sunday afternoon, the bed
will be used on Wednesday. I need a ladder now!" project.
I put a round-over on all edges and sanded it a bit just to remove the=20
splinter danger, but it's just 2x4's, not anything worth staining. The=20
ladder is currently in use and will be for the rest of the weekend.
I'll have until Christmas to build a proper one, one that will include
a finish. ;-)
>=20
> I inherited 2 extension wooden ladders. Not sure how old they are, but t=
hey are light weight. Two lengths of one ladder are 12' long each and the =
two lengths of the other ladder are 18' long each. Lots of splattered pai=
nt on both and they're in very good shape... a little rust on the hardware.=
I was told they were once used by the New Orleans fire department. I'v=
e never thought to look for a makers mark/label. One end (the bottom end?=
) of each are bent/bowed/flared out, rather than being parallel or having a=
straight gradual widening. The rungs are round, not flat boards.
>=20
> Sonny
On 11/12/2016 1:24 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-11-12, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
>> south of the border
>
> .....or ropes.
>
> nb
>
Hemp would be the traditional material. ;)
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On 2016-11-13, Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Nope Trump in going to build a line of Condos from the Gulf to the
> > pacific, and there's your wall.
>
> Unfortunately, the condos will be occupied by illegals willing to pay
> to live 8 residents per room to be on this side of the border.
>
> Maybe that's what Trump meant when he sed it would be a Trump wall.
> Trump branded living quarters all along "The Wall". ;)
>
> nb
Hey, you may be onto something. Move all the
illegals into Trump Condos lining the border,
then sell the condos to Mexico.
On 11/15/2016 2:11 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 06:38:17 +0000 (UTC)
> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>
>> They age the douglas fir 15 years on premises before they start to
>> work it according to that.
>
> kiln drying is what the playset makers do but if you season it for 15
> years i guess that would work too
>
> the fd probably know their demand way in advance so they can season just
> what they need
>
>> Lots of over-head power lines around the city for electric trains and
>> busses, which by necessity are uninsulated. So metal ladders are
>> considered an electrocution risk.
>
> and fiberglass ladders are heavy and more expensive
>
Fiberglass ladders are not as heavy as wood, especially when wet.
On 11/13/2016 3:21 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Here's a nutty idea... Build a couple casinos a couple hour's drive from
> the US border, say 50-100 miles. This is IN Mexico. Now we'll have flow
> moving in both directions and the net will be 0. Problem solved!
>
> I still don't understand the appeal of a machine you put a coin in, pull a
> lever and it tells you if you won.
>
> Puckdropper
>
But the next pull may be the big jackpot . . . Just like the various
lottery tickets. The lower your income the more you buy. Tax on the
uneducated mostly.
On 13 Nov 2016 19:48:28 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2016-11-13, Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Nope Trump in going to build a line of Condos from the Gulf to the
>> pacific, and there's your wall.
>
>Unfortunately, the condos will be occupied by illegals willing to pay
>to live 8 residents per room to be on this side of the border.
>
>Maybe that's what Trump meant when he sed it would be a Trump wall.
>Trump branded living quarters all along "The Wall". ;)
Hmm. Maybe that's what he meant when he said the Mexicans would pay
for the wall.
On 2016-11-12, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
> south of the border
.....or ropes.
nb
On 2016-11-13, Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nope Trump in going to build a line of Condos from the Gulf to the
> pacific, and there's your wall.
Unfortunately, the condos will be occupied by illegals willing to pay
to live 8 residents per room to be on this side of the border.
Maybe that's what Trump meant when he sed it would be a Trump wall.
Trump branded living quarters all along "The Wall". ;)
nb
On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 9:29:43 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Staying true to both the subject line and the purpose of this ng,
> here is a picture of the ladder I "constructed" yesterday. ;-)
>=20
> http://i.imgur.com/CxUUc2d.jpg
>=20
> It was quicky job so that there is a ladder available for a Thanksgiving=
=20
> guest. When I built the bed ~25 years ago, my son was happy with climbing
> the "ladder end" of the bed, so I never built a ladder.
>=20
> I used a trick I found on youtube to level the steps. I determined the=20
> angle of the rails then cut the bottoms and attached the hooks. I then
> attached each step with a single, centered 3.5" #9 deck screw through=20
> the rails and into each end of the steps. Once the ladder was on the bed,=
=20
> I rotated each step until it was level and then used 2 more screws along=
=20
> the center line to secure them.
>=20
> 3 #9 screws into each end of the steps will get me through the holiday=20
> weekend. If I decide to make a "real" ladder, I'll dado the rails and=20
> set the steps in.
Both the bed and ladder look nice. How about some stain on that later lad=
der!?
I inherited 2 extension wooden ladders. Not sure how old they are, but the=
y are light weight. Two lengths of one ladder are 12' long each and the tw=
o lengths of the other ladder are 18' long each. Lots of splattered paint=
on both and they're in very good shape... a little rust on the hardware. =
I was told they were once used by the New Orleans fire department. I've =
never thought to look for a makers mark/label. One end (the bottom end?) =
of each are bent/bowed/flared out, rather than being parallel or having a s=
traight gradual widening. The rungs are round, not flat boards.
Sonny
In rec.woodworking, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
> maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
> south of the border
>
> a good time to start the conversation on methods and techniques and
> materials
>
> kiln dried douglas fir comes to mind first
>
> light and strong
>
> but for the treads traditional dowels might not be durable enough
>
> i think bolting the treads so the edge is stepped on is the quickest
> way to go
>
> this way no material is removed and hence no cuts just drill then
> glue and bolt
>
> nut and bolt so that they can be tightened and loosened for quick
> assembly
The San Francisco Fire Department is last in the country to still build
their own wooden ladders. Here's a little news puff piece about the
process:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbu1HVFELog
They age the douglas fir 15 years on premises before they start to work
it according to that.
Lots of over-head power lines around the city for electric trains and
busses, which by necessity are uninsulated. So metal ladders are
considered an electrocution risk.
Elijah
------
has seen them up close, nice looking ladders
In rec.woodworking, Larry Kraus <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/15/2016 2:11 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> > and fiberglass ladders are heavy and more expensive
> Fiberglass ladders are not as heavy as wood, especially when wet.
Heavy or not, fiberglass ladders are subject to suddenly melting.
Wood is twice as expensive -- about $100 per foot -- and about 15
percent heavier than aluminum or fiberglass, but it holds up better
in a fire, said Mike Braun, supervisor of San Francisco's Fire Shop.
"Aluminum or fiberglass, when it gets too hot, it gets soft; it will
actually fold over without any warning," he said. "Wood takes hours
to fail completely -- enough time for a firefighter to see it burning
and get off it."
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SAN-FRANCISCO-Firefighting-tradition-also-saves-2584568.php
That article contradicts the video clip on aging. It states three years,
not 15.
Elijah
------
wood is apparently easier to repair, also
On Saturday, November 12, 2016 at 11:57:26 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
> maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
> south of the border
>
> a good time to start the conversation on methods and techniques and
> materials
>
> kiln dried douglas fir comes to mind first
>
> light and strong
>
> but for the treads traditional dowels might not be durable enough
>
> i think bolting the treads so the edge is stepped on is the quickest
> way to go
>
> this way no material is removed and hence no cuts just drill then
> glue and bolt
>
> nut and bolt so that they can be tightened and loosened for quick
> assembly
Staying true to both the subject line and the purpose of this ng,
here is a picture of the ladder I "constructed" yesterday. ;-)
http://i.imgur.com/CxUUc2d.jpg
It was quicky job so that there is a ladder available for a Thanksgiving
guest. When I built the bed ~25 years ago, my son was happy with climbing
the "ladder end" of the bed, so I never built a ladder.
I used a trick I found on youtube to level the steps. I determined the
angle of the rails then cut the bottoms and attached the hooks. I then
attached each step with a single, centered 3.5" #9 deck screw through
the rails and into each end of the steps. Once the ladder was on the bed,
I rotated each step until it was level and then used 2 more screws along
the center line to secure them.
3 #9 screws into each end of the steps will get me through the holiday
weekend. If I decide to make a "real" ladder, I'll dado the rails and
set the steps in.
On 12 Nov 2016 18:24:19 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2016-11-12, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
>> south of the border
>
>.....or ropes.
Nah, the ropes are needed for the ones who use the ladders.
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:37:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 11/12/2016 12:24 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2016-11-12, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
>>> south of the border
>>
>> .....or ropes.
>>
>> nb
>>
>
>
>We need to do something to stop the flow but I hope those that will be
>considering securing the borders with walls also consider that a lot of
>the unwanted across the border traffic is underground.
Nope Trump in going to build a line of Condos from the Gulf to the
pacific, and there's your wall.
Fiberglass will melt and burn. It won't soak in hose water.
Martin
On 11/15/2016 3:52 PM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> On 11/15/2016 2:11 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 06:38:17 +0000 (UTC)
>> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They age the douglas fir 15 years on premises before they start to
>>> work it according to that.
>>
>> kiln drying is what the playset makers do but if you season it for 15
>> years i guess that would work too
>>
>> the fd probably know their demand way in advance so they can season just
>> what they need
>>
>>> Lots of over-head power lines around the city for electric trains and
>>> busses, which by necessity are uninsulated. So metal ladders are
>>> considered an electrocution risk.
>>
>> and fiberglass ladders are heavy and more expensive
>>
>
> Fiberglass ladders are not as heavy as wood, especially when wet.
>
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 06:38:17 +0000 (UTC)
Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> They age the douglas fir 15 years on premises before they start to
> work it according to that.
kiln drying is what the playset makers do but if you season it for 15
years i guess that would work too
the fd probably know their demand way in advance so they can season just
what they need
> Lots of over-head power lines around the city for electric trains and
> busses, which by necessity are uninsulated. So metal ladders are
> considered an electrocution risk.
and fiberglass ladders are heavy and more expensive
On 12 Nov 2016 18:24:19 GMT
notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
> .....or ropes.
no rope making equipment here
too hard to climb
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:55:26 -0500
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> We have to un-invent the airplane too.
also there are drones that can take 100kg payload
On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:52:21 -0500
Larry Kraus <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fiberglass ladders are not as heavy as wood, especially when wet.
properly kiln dried does not soak up much water and if coated none
fiberglass gets dings too and fiberglass requires toxic materials
wood wins again
my wood ladders will be lighter than a fiberglass ladder they will
not have to be certified
On 11/13/16 11:30 AM, Markem wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:37:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/12/2016 12:24 PM, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2016-11-12, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
>>>> south of the border
>>>
>>> .....or ropes.
>>>
>>> nb
>>>
>>
>>
>> We need to do something to stop the flow but I hope those that will be
>> considering securing the borders with walls also consider that a lot of
>> the unwanted across the border traffic is underground.
>
> Nope Trump in going to build a line of Condos from the Gulf to the
> pacific, and there's your wall.
>
I heard he was going to add Chris Christie to his cabinet to be the wall.
I'd actually prefer a moat, with sharks (or sea bass) and lasers...
-BR
On 11/19/2016 10:37 AM, Brewster wrote:
> On 11/13/16 11:30 AM, Markem wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:37:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/12/2016 12:24 PM, notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2016-11-12, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
>>>>> south of the border
>>>>
>>>> .....or ropes.
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We need to do something to stop the flow but I hope those that will be
>>> considering securing the borders with walls also consider that a lot of
>>> the unwanted across the border traffic is underground.
>>
>> Nope Trump in going to build a line of Condos from the Gulf to the
>> pacific, and there's your wall.
>>
>
> I heard he was going to add Chris Christie to his cabinet to be the wall.
>
> I'd actually prefer a moat, with sharks (or sea bass) and lasers...
>
> -BR
>
I believe what is being missed with our new President is he is a
business man at heart. His actions will not be control by what is
politically correct or if it gives you a fuzzy feeling inside.
As we have seen with Christy, if President Trump does not like the job
you are doing your are replaced.
Just for the record in the first two weeks after obama election the
market dropped 10%. In the first two weeks after President Trump's
election the market is up 5%. It looks like the market expects good
thing with Mr Trump as president.
On 11/19/16 9:12 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
> Just for the record in the first two weeks after obama election the
> market dropped 10%. In the first two weeks after President Trump's
> election the market is up 5%. It looks like the market expects good
> thing with Mr Trump as president.
Possibly, but someone shouting "squirrel" will have just as much effect. 8^)
-BR
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 07:29:38 -0800 (PST)
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> here is a picture of the ladder I "constructed" yesterday. ;-)
that is the spirit
and it will not conduct electricity if their are power lines nearby
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:37:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 11/12/2016 12:24 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2016-11-12, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> maybe now is a good time to start making cheap wooden ladders to ship
>>> south of the border
>>
>> .....or ropes.
>>
>> nb
>>
>
>
>We need to do something to stop the flow but I hope those that will be
>considering securing the borders with walls also consider that a lot of
>the unwanted across the border traffic is underground.
It's not all that difficult of a problem to solve. Just start
throwing their employers, even mom and pops hiring them as nannies, in
jail. Of course, the criminals, gang and cartel members' heads have
to be hung on pikes along the border.
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:55:26 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/13/2016 11:37 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> We need to do something to stop the flow but I hope those that will be
>> considering securing the borders with walls also consider that a lot of
>> the unwanted across the border traffic is underground.
>
>We have to un-invent the airplane too.
No, just re-invent the anti-aircraft battery.