Gb

GarageWoodworks

13/10/2009 2:26 PM

Sour Grapes and my Blanket Chest

I posted this one a while back, but I wanted to gripe. :^)

I submitted this chest to be published in a book by Fine Woodworking.
I
actually designed/made the chest specifically for the entry. Anyway,
I
don't think I made the cut; I would have heard by now. So I'm not
going to
buy the book out of spite :^(

Mine (small images enlarge):
http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Blanket_Chest.htm

Entry:
http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/16749/have-your-blanket-chest-featured-in-an-upcoming-book


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GarageWoodworks

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 7:28 PM

On Oct 14, 8:36=A0pm, tom <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 14, 3:47 pm, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I appreciate your candor. =A0And I agree. =A0The only panel that worked
> > out the way I intended was the center panel. =A0The two outer boards of
> > the center panel are book matched. =A0I wanted all of the panels to
> > contain book-matching originally, but my resawing didn't work out as
> > planned.
>
> How'd you cut for the inlays(if those are inlays) on the two center
> stiles? Tom

Tom,

See: http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Blanket_Chest_C.htm

Gb

GarageWoodworks

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 1:22 PM

On Oct 14, 10:20=A0am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> GarageWoodworks wrote:
> > I posted this one a while back, but I wanted to gripe. =A0 :^)
>
> > I submitted this chest to be published in a book by Fine Woodworking.
> > I
> > actually designed/made the chest specifically for the entry. =A0Anyway,
> > I
> > don't think I made the cut; I would have heard by now. =A0 So I'm not
> > going to
> > buy the book out of spite =A0:^(
>
> Bummer, I *much* prefer yours (assuming that the top being wider than the
> bottom is just camera distortion, of course =A0:)
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
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Thanks! But, yeah, the top is wider than the bottom. It tapers down
on the outside and then the taper on the right makes it look even
lighter (IMHO).

tt

tom

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

13/10/2009 3:07 PM

On Oct 13, 2:26 pm, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I posted this one a while back, but I wanted to gripe. :^)
>
> I submitted this chest to be published in a book by Fine Woodworking.
> I
> actually designed/made the chest specifically for the entry. Anyway,
> I
> don't think I made the cut; I would have heard by now. So I'm not
> going to
> buy the book out of spite :^(
>
> Mine (small images enlarge):http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Blanket_Chest.htm
>
> Entry:http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/16749/have-your-blanket-chest-fea...
>
> --www.garagewoodworks.com

Well, at least now you don't have to supply them with the scaled
drawing and measurements...Nice looking chest, by the way. Tom

cc

charlieb

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

13/10/2009 8:58 PM

Don't know how important the photo of your entry is with
furniture, but for wood turnings a seamless white or
neutral gray background and no Hot Spots on the piece
from the lights (minimum of two, three if you've got it)
are minimum requirements just for consideration.

Digging the details out of the weeds, literally, probably
isn't the best way to present your blanket chest. A few
minutes in photo shop can eliminate the distracting grass
etc.

Gb

GarageWoodworks

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

13/10/2009 5:21 PM

On Oct 13, 6:07=A0pm, tom <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 13, 2:26 pm, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I posted this one a while back, but I wanted to gripe. =A0 :^)
>
> > I submitted this chest to be published in a book by Fine Woodworking.
> > I
> > actually designed/made the chest specifically for the entry. =A0Anyway,
> > I
> > don't think I made the cut; I would have heard by now. =A0 So I'm not
> > going to
> > buy the book out of spite =A0:^(
>
> > Mine (small images enlarge):http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Blanket_Ches=
t.htm
>
> > Entry:http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/16749/have-your-blanket-chest=
-fea...
>
> > --www.garagewoodworks.com
>
> Well, at least now you don't have to supply them with the scaled
> drawing and =A0measurements...Nice looking chest, by the way. Tom

Thank you. I already have the CAD drawing ready to go. I'm
interested to see what beat me out when it's published.

fa

"fallen.morgan (at) gmail.com"

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 8:03 PM

On Oct 14, 5:38=A0pm, Kevin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:26:14 -0700 (PDT), GarageWoodworks
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I posted this one a while back, but I wanted to gripe. =A0 :^)
>
> >I submitted this chest to be published in a book by Fine Woodworking.
> >I
> >actually designed/made the chest specifically for the entry. =A0Anyway,
> >I
> >don't think I made the cut; I would have heard by now. =A0 So I'm not
> >going to
> >buy the book out of spite =A0:^(
>
> >Mine (small images enlarge):
> >http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Blanket_Chest.htm
>
> >Entry:
> >http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/16749/have-your-blanket-chest-fea...
>
> I like the chest. =A0 If I had to knock it for anything I would say the
> grain/color match of the panels is not so good and not up to the
> standard of the workmanship that went into it. =A0
>
> -Kevin

I agree with Keven. On the front, the 2 left side panels seem to me to
be poorly picked. They seem to be obviouly made up of 3 glued up
pieces each. And it seems to me, that when that's done the intent is
to try to make the boards blend together better. However, I love the
side rails, they are beautiful! Craftmanship is great! The bottom
style seems to be to light.

dd

"dadiOH"

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

15/10/2009 7:42 AM

GarageWoodworks wrote:
> On Oct 14, 10:20 am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> GarageWoodworks wrote:
>>> I posted this one a while back, but I wanted to gripe. :^)
>>
>>> I submitted this chest to be published in a book by Fine
>>> Woodworking. I
>>> actually designed/made the chest specifically for the entry. Anyway,
>>> I
>>> don't think I made the cut; I would have heard by now. So I'm not
>>> going to
>>> buy the book out of spite :^(
>>
>> Bummer, I *much* prefer yours (assuming that the top being wider
>> than the bottom is just camera distortion, of course :)
>
> Thanks! But, yeah, the top is wider than the bottom. It tapers down
> on the outside and then the taper on the right makes it look even
> lighter (IMHO).

I'll overlook it then because I like the black insets :) Ebony?

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GarageWoodworks

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 7:19 PM

On Oct 14, 8:36=A0pm, tom <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 14, 3:47 pm, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I appreciate your candor. =A0And I agree. =A0The only panel that worked
> > out the way I intended was the center panel. =A0The two outer boards of
> > the center panel are book matched. =A0I wanted all of the panels to
> > contain book-matching originally, but my resawing didn't work out as
> > planned.
>
> How'd you cut for the inlays(if those are inlays) on the two center
> stiles? Tom

They are inlays about 1/8" wide. I made two shims of equal thickness
and used a router with a fence attached. Add both shims between the
fence and the sile then rout - remove a shim - rout - and repeat. You
end up with perfectly spaced grooves. I then squared the corners with
a 1/8" chisel. The inlay is ebony which was cut on the table saw
(next time will use BS to reduce waste).

I have some in process pictures that I will post at ABPW and my
website.

tt

tom

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 5:36 PM

On Oct 14, 3:47 pm, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> I appreciate your candor. And I agree. The only panel that worked
> out the way I intended was the center panel. The two outer boards of
> the center panel are book matched. I wanted all of the panels to
> contain book-matching originally, but my resawing didn't work out as
> planned.

How'd you cut for the inlays(if those are inlays) on the two center
stiles? Tom

Gb

GarageWoodworks

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 1:23 PM

On Oct 14, 1:52=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I think that is a really nice piece of furniture, and the work looks
> top shelf.
>
> But I agree with the others on the photos.
>
> I first noticed the photo taking aspect of woodworking about 7 - 8
> years ago in my woodturning, when everyone started making light boxes,
> talking about different Kelvin degrees of the proper lighting, then of
> course, Photoshop and its relatives.
>
> Now on the knife makers/collectors forum I frequent, =A0photo skills
> haves become so important, there is a running thread on using
> Photoshop as part of conducting good business to sell your wares.
>
> The level of sophistication on photo representation is quite high
> these days.
>
> Robert

Thanks Robert!

It looks like I need to pay more attention to photography. It
probably would have been a good idea to hire a professional.

Kl

Kevin

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 5:38 PM

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:26:14 -0700 (PDT), GarageWoodworks
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I posted this one a while back, but I wanted to gripe. :^)
>
>I submitted this chest to be published in a book by Fine Woodworking.
>I
>actually designed/made the chest specifically for the entry. Anyway,
>I
>don't think I made the cut; I would have heard by now. So I'm not
>going to
>buy the book out of spite :^(
>
>Mine (small images enlarge):
>http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Blanket_Chest.htm
>
>Entry:
>http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/16749/have-your-blanket-chest-featured-in-an-upcoming-book

I like the chest. If I had to knock it for anything I would say the
grain/color match of the panels is not so good and not up to the
standard of the workmanship that went into it.


-Kevin

dd

"dadiOH"

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 10:20 AM

GarageWoodworks wrote:
> I posted this one a while back, but I wanted to gripe. :^)
>
> I submitted this chest to be published in a book by Fine Woodworking.
> I
> actually designed/made the chest specifically for the entry. Anyway,
> I
> don't think I made the cut; I would have heard by now. So I'm not
> going to
> buy the book out of spite :^(

Bummer, I *much* prefer yours (assuming that the top being wider than the
bottom is just camera distortion, of course :)

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico


Ll

"Leon"

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 6:53 PM


"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:b0d93e52-71d3-4736-ad53-3a131e5b2a8d@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

I appreciate your candor. And I agree. The only panel that worked
out the way I intended was the center panel. The two outer boards of
the center panel are book matched. I wanted all of the panels to
contain book-matching originally, but my resawing didn't work out as
planned.


I suspect that in a couple of years when that cherry darkens the grain on
those panels will pretty much be a non issue.

Swingman build a chest about 3 years ago and made it out of cherry and
walnut. Today the untrained eye might not notice the different woods.

Your chest is just going to get better looking with age.

Gb

GarageWoodworks

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 1:21 PM

On Oct 13, 11:58=A0pm, charlieb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Don't know how important the photo of your entry is with
> furniture, but for wood turnings a seamless white or
> neutral gray background and no Hot Spots on the piece
> from the lights (minimum of two, three if you've got it)
> are minimum requirements just for consideration.
>
> Digging the details out of the weeds, literally, probably
> isn't the best way to present your blanket chest. =A0A few
> minutes in photo shop can eliminate the distracting grass
> etc.

The published pictures were to be shot after the final selections were
made. So I assumed that if selected, the chest would be re-shot.

Next time I will definitely spend more time on the photography.
Thanks for the tip!

Gb

GarageWoodworks

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 3:47 PM

On Oct 14, 5:38=A0pm, Kevin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:26:14 -0700 (PDT), GarageWoodworks
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I posted this one a while back, but I wanted to gripe. =A0 :^)
>
> >I submitted this chest to be published in a book by Fine Woodworking.
> >I
> >actually designed/made the chest specifically for the entry. =A0Anyway,
> >I
> >don't think I made the cut; I would have heard by now. =A0 So I'm not
> >going to
> >buy the book out of spite =A0:^(
>
> >Mine (small images enlarge):
> >http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Blanket_Chest.htm
>
> >Entry:
> >http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/16749/have-your-blanket-chest-fea...
>
> I like the chest. =A0 If I had to knock it for anything I would say the
> grain/color match of the panels is not so good and not up to the
> standard of the workmanship that went into it. =A0
>
> -Kevin

Kevin,

I appreciate your candor. And I agree. The only panel that worked
out the way I intended was the center panel. The two outer boards of
the center panel are book matched. I wanted all of the panels to
contain book-matching originally, but my resawing didn't work out as
planned.

nn

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 10:52 AM

I think that is a really nice piece of furniture, and the work looks
top shelf.

But I agree with the others on the photos.

I first noticed the photo taking aspect of woodworking about 7 - 8
years ago in my woodturning, when everyone started making light boxes,
talking about different Kelvin degrees of the proper lighting, then of
course, Photoshop and its relatives.

Now on the knife makers/collectors forum I frequent, photo skills
haves become so important, there is a running thread on using
Photoshop as part of conducting good business to sell your wares.

The level of sophistication on photo representation is quite high
these days.

Robert

Kl

Kevin

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

14/10/2009 8:38 PM

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:47:34 -0700 (PDT), GarageWoodworks
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Kevin,
>
>I appreciate your candor. And I agree. The only panel that worked
>out the way I intended was the center panel. The two outer boards of
>the center panel are book matched. I wanted all of the panels to
>contain book-matching originally, but my resawing didn't work out as
>planned.

It's interesting that you planned on putting the bookmatch pieces with
another piece between them, I hadn't thought of doing that. I would
have mated them and tried to find a third piece to match as best I
could on one side if I couldn't get stock thick enough to resaw into 3
boards. I actually didn't even notice it at first but then I thought,
I really like the shape of this but something is bugging me, and I had
to stare at it for a bit before I figured out what it was.

Cherry is just darn hard to match. I did a jewelry box with coopered
doors on the sides and I had a semi decent match, but somehow in the
glueup I swapped the center pieces. So one door has a lighter middle
board and one has a darker middle board. I keep waiting for Leon's
it's all going to match in a few years theory to kick in, we're on
year two now and it still sticks out like a sore thumb to me. I even
went to the trouble of covering all the dark boards with tape and
paper and setting it out in the sun every day for a week or two, and
that evened it out pretty well. Put it back and in a few weeks it
went right back to not matching. Arrgh! I wish someone would buy it
so I don't have to keep seeing the stupid thing.

I think the next time I do something like that I'm just going to
surface all the boards, sand them somewhat, throw a coat of shellac on
and then take them all out into the sun and do the matching outside
rather than try to do it in the shop light which always seems to
diminish the differences.

And then hopefully not screw up the glueup again...


-Kevin

dd

"dadiOH"

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 13/10/2009 2:26 PM

15/10/2009 7:59 AM

Kevin wrote:
> I think the next time I do something like that I'm just going to
> surface all the boards, sand them somewhat, throw a coat of shellac on
> and then take them all out into the sun and do the matching outside
> rather than try to do it in the shop light which always seems to
> diminish the differences.

Fluorescent lights in the shop? If so, *never* trust them if you are trying
to see/match color...they are deficient in red light. That is true of all
fluorescents, regardless of being "warm" or "cool" or whatever. That
deficiency makes anything reflecting red light - wood is one - appear greyed
down, lower in contrast, dull, etc.

Sunlight is great. Even incandescent light is better than fluorescent
although it will give an opposite effect; i.e., accentuate reds rather than
dull them.

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dadiOH
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