Community Workshop?

Artemus wrote:

> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> :
> : Depends on where you are.
> : Is there a TechShop in your area?
> : http://techshop.ws/locations.html
> : Art
> :
> PS. There are more locations than shown in the above link.
> Google "techshop locations"
> Art
>
>

The best I can find, along with the list on their own web sites say
there are currently three location and they are in the process of
building about nine more. It appears they've been saying that since 2007.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]

DejaVoodoo wrote:

>
>
> Since public schools are public property, would you not be able to
> gain access to a public school woodshop? I used to jog on the local
> highschool track all the time.
>
> Mark

Insurance issues usually prohibit the shop's use unless enrolled in a
sanctioned program.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]

Artemus wrote:
> "Jimbo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> : Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
> : together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
> : get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
> : reality? Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
> : and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
> : maintained by the group. Advice would be given and sought in a
> : friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free. In addition,
> : if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on specific
> : topics.
> :
> : Just a thought .......
>
> Depends on where you are.
> Is there a TechShop in your area?
> http://techshop.ws/locations.html
> Art
>
>

It doesn't look like they offer much in the way of wwodworking equipment.

At $50 per visit or $1,200 per year I think I'd pass.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]

Remember the outfit in West By God where Charlie Self worked for a
while?

A few years ago, they had a retail facility with a workshop available
on a for fee basis.

It was located next to the "55" freeway in in Orange County here in
SoCal.

Today, about the only thing left if an empty building.

Lew

Yes there is.

There are some in the south bay area - a.k.a. 'silicon valley'
California.

One of the issues is insurance. The place there is a machine shop
that has no work but training and lending - and I think there are fees.

Nice concept.

Martin

Jimbo wrote:
> Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
> together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
> get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
> reality? Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
> and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
> maintained by the group. Advice would be given and sought in a
> friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free. In addition,
> if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on specific
> topics.
>
> Just a thought .......

"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>:
>: Depends on where you are.
>: Is there a TechShop in your area?
>: http://techshop.ws/locations.html
>: Art
>:
>PS. There are more locations than shown in the above link.
>Google "techshop locations"

Almost all of which are coming 'mid 2008'.

D.
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Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

With liability today and the way the greens run the schools, I don't
think us tree killers have a chance.

I did however get my Powermatic table saw and shaper from a local
school that was shutting down their entire, very impressive, shop
class infrastructure.

On Oct 13, 10:39=A0am, DejaVoodoo <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 13, 12:16=A0pm, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > Closest thing I have seen in San Francisco area is many co-op shops
> > where some person or group of persons has a site with equipment and
> > workspace and as a commercial venture leases out access and space.
> > "Some" sharing can happen if you get good people but you also have
> > prima donnas, aholes, incoherents, whack jobs, etc. all possibilities
> > also.
>
> > Another similar is a community old folks center that has a woodshop.
> > They offer classes to anyone from the community, then once you have
> > been through a basic training course you can rent time in the shop
> > during specific hours. No commercial activity allowed.
>
> > On Oct 13, 9:18=A0am, Jimbo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
> > > together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
> > > get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
> > > reality? =A0Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
> > > and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
> > > maintained by the group. =A0Advice would be given and sought in a
> > > friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free. =A0In addition=
,
> > > if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on specifi=
c
> > > topics.
>
> > > Just a thought .......- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> Since public schools are public property, would you not be able to
> gain access to a public school woodshop? =A0I used to jog on the local
> highschool track all the time.
>
> Mark- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

"DejaVoodoo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Since public schools are public property, would you not be able to
> gain access to a public school woodshop? I used to jog on the local
> highschool track all the time.
>
> Mark

2 things in the way...

Finding schools with tools these days

The prevalence of assholes out there who don't understand how to use tools
makes liability too much of an issue.

Ed

On 10/13/2009 11:39 AM, DejaVoodoo wrote:

> Since public schools are public property, would you not be able to
> gain access to a public school woodshop? I used to jog on the local
> highschool track all the time.

Around here liability issues seem to prevent them from letting normal
people use the shop.

Chris

On 10/13/09 12:18 PM, "Jimbo" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
> together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
> get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
> reality?

This may not be exactly what you are thinking of, but in my community
(Rochester, Michigan) the Older Persons Center has a woodshop that acts
something like this. Members, after taking a basic safety class, can use the
equipment and it acts as a gathering point for local hobby level
woodworkers. I am a member but only use it for access to some of their large
machines that I don't have in my home shop. When I a actually retired, I
will likely spend more time there.

Jimbo wrote:

> Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
> together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
> get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
> reality? Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
> and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
> maintained by the group. Advice would be given and sought in a
> friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free. In addition,
> if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on specific
> topics.
>
> Just a thought .......

Well, you could try a prison job training program, but there's a downside to
the free shop time....

On a more serious note, there are lots of woodworking clubs out there:

http://cincinnatiwoodworkingclub.org/

http://www.niagarawoodcarvers.ca/

http://www.sacramentoareawoodworkers.com/index.php

http://www.sfwg.org/

http://www.woodworkingonline.com/clubs/

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Closest thing I have seen in San Francisco area is many co-op shops
>where some person or group of persons has a site with equipment and
>workspace and as a commercial venture leases out access and space.
>"Some" sharing can happen if you get good people but you also have
>prima donnas, aholes, incoherents, whack jobs, etc. all possibilities
>also.
>
>Another similar is a community old folks center that has a woodshop.
>They offer classes to anyone from the community, then once you have
>been through a basic training course you can rent time in the shop
>during specific hours. No commercial activity allowed.
>
>On Oct 13, 9:18 am, Jimbo <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
>> together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
>> get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
>> reality?  Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
>> and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
>> maintained by the group.  Advice would be given and sought in a
>> friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free.  In addition,
>> if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on specific
>> topics.
>>
>> Just a thought .......
KW Woodworking and Craft Club in Kitchener Waterloo Ontario works that
way.
I don't need any stationary woodworking tools at home any more.

On Oct 13, 12:16=A0pm, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Closest thing I have seen in San Francisco area is many co-op shops
> where some person or group of persons has a site with equipment and
> workspace and as a commercial venture leases out access and space.
> "Some" sharing can happen if you get good people but you also have
> prima donnas, aholes, incoherents, whack jobs, etc. all possibilities
> also.
>
> Another similar is a community old folks center that has a woodshop.
> They offer classes to anyone from the community, then once you have
> been through a basic training course you can rent time in the shop
> during specific hours. No commercial activity allowed.
>
> On Oct 13, 9:18=A0am, Jimbo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
> > together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
> > get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
> > reality? =A0Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
> > and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
> > maintained by the group. =A0Advice would be given and sought in a
> > friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free. =A0In addition,
> > if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on specific
> > topics.
>
> > Just a thought .......- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Since public schools are public property, would you not be able to
gain access to a public school woodshop? I used to jog on the local
highschool track all the time.

Mark

Some towns with military bases offer rental facilities. Wichita, KS
had such a facility years ago but I don't know if it is still there.

RonB

Closest thing I have seen in San Francisco area is many co-op shops
where some person or group of persons has a site with equipment and
workspace and as a commercial venture leases out access and space.
"Some" sharing can happen if you get good people but you also have
prima donnas, aholes, incoherents, whack jobs, etc. all possibilities
also.

Another similar is a community old folks center that has a woodshop.
They offer classes to anyone from the community, then once you have
been through a basic training course you can rent time in the shop
during specific hours. No commercial activity allowed.

On Oct 13, 9:18=A0am, Jimbo <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
> together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
> get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
> reality? =A0Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
> and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
> maintained by the group. =A0Advice would be given and sought in a
> friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free. =A0In addition,
> if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on specific
> topics.
>
> Just a thought .......

There is a one location shop in Silicon Valley called The Sawdust
Shop. Kind of a Woodcraft with a big shop. Daily, monthly and yearly
deals and lots of classes. Kind of on the expensive side, you really
need to commit to a year before you get a decent rate. They have some
cool stuff. They have a 4x4 shop bot and a MultiRouter. OK idea, not
sure how well the guy does. The owner has a bit of a rep for being
kind of a angry ole fart. I've had my dealings with him but other than
being grumpy and always having a comment to one up anything you say,
he is fair and probably a lot like my grumpy, self absorbed self.

On Oct 13, 1:32=A0pm, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
> Artemus wrote:
> > "Jimbo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> > : Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
> > : together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
> > : get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
> > : reality? =A0Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
> > : and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
> > : maintained by the group. =A0Advice would be given and sought in a
> > : friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free. =A0In addition=
,
> > : if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on specifi=
c
> > : topics.
> > :
> > : Just a thought .......
>
> > Depends on where you are.
> > Is there a TechShop in your area?
> >http://techshop.ws/locations.html
> > Art
>
> It doesn't look like they offer much in the way of wwodworking equipment.
>
> At $50 per visit or $1,200 per year I think I'd pass.
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> [email protected] Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

DejaVoodoo wrote:
...
> Since public schools are public property, would you not be able to
> gain access to a public school woodshop? I used to jog on the local
> highschool track all the time.
...
You'll play h-e-double-hockey sticks finding a school w/ a woodshop w/
power tools these days... :(

And, if you do, it's even less unlikely there will access to it outside
an adult education class.

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DJ Delorie wrote:
> Jimbo <[email protected]> writes:
>> Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
>> together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
>> get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
>> reality?
>
> We have that in NH, it's called "sharing" :-)
>
> Seriously, we have our guild: http://www.gnhw.org/ ...
>
> As for the shop space, well, we just share. ...

Have you asked about insurance coverage under this arrangement?

I've read of one case where this type or arrangement ended up in a large
liability suit for a member as the semi-formal arrangement negated the
homeowner's liability policy w/o a rider to cover such activity.

Not to be a poopy-partier, but...things to be concerned about/take care
to cover these days, unfortunately. :(

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In article <cfeea640-d76a-460e-87f5-78588b16d361@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>,
DejaVoodoo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Since public schools are public property, would you not be able to
>gain access to a public school woodshop? I used to jog on the local
>highschool track all the time.

Local high school used to have a once-a-week "adult ed" session where
you could use the shop for three hours.
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"Jimbo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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: Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
: together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
: get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
: reality? Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
: and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
: maintained by the group. Advice would be given and sought in a
: friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free. In addition,
: if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on specific
: topics.
:
: Just a thought .......

Depends on where you are.
Is there a TechShop in your area?
http://techshop.ws/locations.html
Art

"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
: Depends on where you are.
: Is there a TechShop in your area?
: http://techshop.ws/locations.html
: Art
:
PS. There are more locations than shown in the above link.
Google "techshop locations"
Art

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Closest thing I have seen in San Francisco area is many co-op shops
>>where some person or group of persons has a site with equipment and
>>workspace and as a commercial venture leases out access and space.
>>"Some" sharing can happen if you get good people but you also have
>>prima donnas, aholes, incoherents, whack jobs, etc. all possibilities
>>also.
>>
>>Another similar is a community old folks center that has a woodshop.
>>They offer classes to anyone from the community, then once you have
>>been through a basic training course you can rent time in the shop
>>during specific hours. No commercial activity allowed.
>>
>>On Oct 13, 9:18 am, Jimbo <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
>>> together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
>>> get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
>>> reality? Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
>>> and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
>>> maintained by the group. Advice would be given and sought in a
>>> friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free. In addition,
>>> if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on specific
>>> topics.
>>>
>>> Just a thought .......
> KW Woodworking and Craft Club in Kitchener Waterloo Ontario works that
> way.
> I don't need any stationary woodworking tools at home any more.

a friend of mine moved from florida to sun city az just for
http://www.scwclubs.com/Clubs/CT20/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=294 and
http://www.scwmetalclub.com/

regards,
charlie
cave creek, az

Nova wrote:
> Artemus wrote:
>> "Jimbo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
>>> together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
>>> get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
>>> reality? Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
>>> and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
>>> maintained by the group. Advice would be given and sought in a
>>> friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free. In addition,
>>> if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on
>>> specific topics.
>>>
>>> Just a thought .......
>>
>> Depends on where you are.
>> Is there a TechShop in your area?
>> http://techshop.ws/locations.html
>> Art
>>
>>
>
> It doesn't look like they offer much in the way of wwodworking
> equipment.
>
> At $50 per visit or $1,200 per year I think I'd pass.

If there's a Woodcraft in the area it does no harm to walk in and ask where
one can rent or borrow shop space.

DJ Delorie wrote:
> dpb <[email protected]> writes:
>> Have you asked about insurance coverage under this arrangement?
>
> The guild has insurance for guild meetings. As for shop space, hey,
> if a friend wants to come over and use a few tools, that's between
> them and me. The guild doesn't get involved per se, it's just that
> everyone happens to know someone nearby who has a shop.

As long as it's one-on-one you're probably safe; more than that or on a
regular basis it can get dicey, unfortunately.

That's basically how the case I read of got started; they had a few guys
showing up at a member's shop once a month or so. In that case, there
were about a half-dozen present and the shop owner's wife had made
refreshments. That was the extent of the involvement as a club/guild
other than they had established a history of doing this at various
places over time.

When a member got fairly seriously hurt his (the injured party)
insurance came after his (the shop owner's) who refused coverage on the
basis of wasn't a covered use of the shop and the lawsuits stemmed from
that and it went downhill from there for the guy whose shop it was.

I think he finally beat the rap of liability/negligence but it wasn't
pretty.

It's a scary world out there... :(

--

If you are near Greenville SC the Greenville Woodworkers Guild does just
what are writing about. They have a fully equipped shop for use of guild
members and they have frequesnt classess on use of the machines, various
fabrication techniques, finishing techniques etc.

Russ
"Jimbo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
> together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
> get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
> reality? Instead of everybody buying their own tools and equipment
> and working in their own workshops, everything would be shared and
> maintained by the group. Advice would be given and sought in a
> friendly fashion and joking and ribbing would be free. In addition,
> if demand existed, formal classroom courses could be given on specific
> topics.
>
> Just a thought .......

dpb <[email protected]> writes:
> Have you asked about insurance coverage under this arrangement?

The guild has insurance for guild meetings. As for shop space, hey,
if a friend wants to come over and use a few tools, that's between
them and me. The guild doesn't get involved per se, it's just that
everyone happens to know someone nearby who has a shop.

Jimbo <[email protected]> writes:
> Is there such a thing as a community workshop where people come
> together (much as we all do here but in reality) to share ideas and
> get ideas on projects and then use a shared workshop to make them a
> reality?

We have that in NH, it's called "sharing" :-)

Seriously, we have our guild: http://www.gnhw.org/ We have meetings
throughout the year, with subgroups for given interests (turning, hand
tools, luthiers, etc), and most meetings include a demo or
instructional topic where members can share experiences and ask
questions. We have two publications that are also geared towards
sharing and collaboration, the "Old Saw" for meeting notes and the
"Journal" for how-to articles.

As for the shop space, well, we just share. For example, a friend and
I are building a set of desks together in my shop, last year I did
some turning at someone else's shop. My dad often shows up to use the
specialty tools I have that he doesn't. This sharing tends to "just
happen" if you have the social network, no organization is needed.

Heck, the guild's BIG (Beginners and Intermediate Group) subgroup does
a shared project over the course of the year, just what you're talking
about.