RH

"Rob H."

28/04/2011 4:08 AM

What is it? Set 386

I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html


Rob


This topic has 45 replies

MK

Michael Kenefick

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 7:33 AM

2227 Fish grill
2228 Door knocker and peep hole
2229 Jewelry drill press or riveter
2230 lice combs
2231 snuff bottle
2232 loggers tools


On 04/28/2011 04:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>
>
> Rob

kk

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 2:27 AM

On Apr 27, 10:08=A0pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>
> Rob

2229. Vacuum secured drill press.

EH

"Ed Huntress"

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 11:50 AM


"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Roger <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:ipbqtq$bpn$2@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> 2230 parts of a harmonica that creates the sound. Sure they have a
>> name but don't know it.
>>
>
> Harmonica reeds are of different lengths. All of those on each piece
> would
> play the same note.
>
> LLoyd

I was thinking about the comb of a music box -- until I realized, as you
say, it would only play one note. <g>

--
Ed Huntress

hm

humunculus

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 6:52 AM

On Apr 28, 4:08=A0pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>
> Rob

Has anyone asked what the text says on the second one?

--riverman

jj

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 5:40 AM


> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html

2229 - Locksmith's drill to attach to a safe

2230 - Graining combs for faux finish grain patterns

Ss

"Snag"

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 5:40 AM

Rob H. wrote:
> I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100%
> sure:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>
>
> Rob

2227 looks like a concrete tool . Used to push the aggregate below the
surface , so you can get a decent finish .

--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

LE

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 10:09 AM

Roger <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:ipbqtq$bpn$2@dont-
email.me:

> 2230 parts of a harmonica that creates the sound. Sure they have a
> name but don't know it.
>

Harmonica reeds are of different lengths. All of those on each piece would
play the same note.

LLoyd

LE

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 1:20 PM

"Rob H." <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:

> This tool is used in a similar manner to a masher but it isn't for root
> vegetables and I don't think masher is the proper term for it.

I think it's a curd cutter for making cheese.

LLoyd

GW

"George W Frost"

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 6:32 PM


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>
>
> Rob

2232: an ice block carrier or dragger

2230: hair combs for lice or fleas

2228: a spyhole through a door

2227: a dirt clod breaker-upper

tk

tnik

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 5:45 PM

On 4/28/2011 1:13 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>
>> 2229 - Locksmith's drill to attach to a safe
>
> This particular drill was used for something other than a safe, I'm not
> sure if locksmiths use a similar tool or not.

How about a plate glass drill?

jj

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 8:18 PM


> > 2229 - Locksmith's drill to attach to a safe
>
> This particular drill was used for something other than a safe, I'm not sure
> if locksmiths use a similar tool or not.

I've seen a similar set-up with very strong magnets to hold the drill
onto the safe

> > 2230 - Graining combs for faux finish grain patterns
>
> This answer is correct.

Yes ... and I have two that I've misplaced in my shop. I use them to
simulate feather vermiculation when I paint a duck decoy.

ww

willshak

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 2:38 PM

Rob H. wrote the following:
>
> "Dave Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100%
>>> sure:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>>
>> 2227. Animal feed masher for turnips, swedes, other root vegetables etc.
>
>
> This tool is used in a similar manner to a masher but it isn't for
> root vegetables and I don't think masher is the proper term for it.
A mixer, like for bagged concrete?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

SM

"Stormin Mormon"

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 7:12 AM

2227 Potato masher for handicap people who can't bend over.
2228 no clue
2229 obvious to me -- it's a drill press
2230 sheeps wool comb
2231 drain valve for a steam heat system
2232 toy for butchers, put a steak on the end of the chain.
Flip it up, and try to catch the steak on the tines. Normal
kids use a ball and a plastic catcher. Butchers tend toward
macabre humor.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm
not 100% sure:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html


Rob

Rr

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 9:43 AM

On 4/28/2011 7:12 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> 2227 Potato masher for handicap people who can't bend over.
> 2228 no clue
> 2229 obvious to me -- it's a drill press
> 2230 sheeps wool comb
> 2231 drain valve for a steam heat system
> 2232 toy for butchers, put a steak on the end of the chain.
> Flip it up, and try to catch the steak on the tines. Normal
> kids use a ball and a plastic catcher. Butchers tend toward
> macabre humor.
>
2230 parts of a harmonica that creates the sound. Sure they have a
name but don't know it.

BB

Bill

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 12:15 PM

On 4/28/2011 4:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>
>
> Rob

#2230 A blank for making the tune differentiating part that they put in
musical boxes (that you wind up)?

Bill

BB

Bill

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 12:24 PM

On 4/28/2011 12:15 PM, Bill wrote:
> On 4/28/2011 4:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> #2230 A blank for making the tune differentiating part that they put in
> musical boxes (that you wind up)?
>
> Bill


Oops, I got that backwards, this would have to be the "tone/scale"
differentiating part. Small one and large one for different
octaves--clip tines to appropriate length to get the tones in the scale
required. Admittedly, this is just a guess (looks familiar though!).

Bill

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 1:09 PM



> 2228: a spyhole through a door


Someone else had suggested this but it doesn't have any mounting holes so I
don't think this is what it's for.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 1:13 PM


> 2229 - Locksmith's drill to attach to a safe

This particular drill was used for something other than a safe, I'm not sure
if locksmiths use a similar tool or not.

> 2230 - Graining combs for faux finish grain patterns

This answer is correct.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 1:22 PM


"Dave Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>
> 2227. Animal feed masher for turnips, swedes, other root vegetables etc.


This tool is used in a similar manner to a masher but it isn't for root
vegetables and I don't think masher is the proper term for it.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 2:44 PM


"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rob H. wrote the following:
>>
>> "Dave Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100%
>>>> sure:
>>>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>>>
>>> 2227. Animal feed masher for turnips, swedes, other root vegetables etc.
>>
>>
>> This tool is used in a similar manner to a masher but it isn't for root
>> vegetables and I don't think masher is the proper term for it.
> A mixer, like for bagged concrete?


Nope, not for concrete.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 2:45 PM


"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> fired this volley in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> This tool is used in a similar manner to a masher but it isn't for root
>> vegetables and I don't think masher is the proper term for it.
>
> I think it's a curd cutter for making cheese.
>
> LLoyd


It does look like a curd cutter but that's not it, though it is a farm tool.

RG

Rich Grise

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 11:57 AM

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Roger <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:ipbqtq$bpn$2@dont-
>> email.me:
>>
>>> 2230 parts of a harmonica that creates the sound. Sure they have a
>>> name but don't know it.
>>
>> Harmonica reeds are of different lengths. All of those on each piece
>> would
>> play the same note.
>
> I was thinking about the comb of a music box -- until I realized, as you
> say, it would only play one note. <g>
>
It's probably also not a nitpick or 'fro comb, because the tines are blunt
with sharp corners.

Maybe high-strength horizontal featherboards?

Thanks,
Rich

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 7:47 PM


"tnik" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/28/2011 1:13 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>
>>> 2229 - Locksmith's drill to attach to a safe
>>
>> This particular drill was used for something other than a safe, I'm not
>> sure if locksmiths use a similar tool or not.
>
> How about a plate glass drill?


Correct! This drill was used for mirrors but since they're made of glass
that close enough for me.

Rr

"Robert"

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 7:24 PM


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dave Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>>
>> 2227. Animal feed masher for turnips, swedes, other root vegetables etc.
>
>
> This tool is used in a similar manner to a masher but it isn't for root
> vegetables and I don't think masher is the proper term for it.

Part of a churn for making butter.

Robert

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

28/04/2011 8:40 PM


"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Dave Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100%
>>>>sure:
>>>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>>>
>>> 2227. Animal feed masher for turnips, swedes, other root vegetables etc.
>>
>>
>> This tool is used in a similar manner to a masher but it isn't for root
>> vegetables and I don't think masher is the proper term for it.
>
> Part of a churn for making butter.


Nope, it's not for butter.

BB

Bill

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 1:18 AM

DoN. Nichols wrote:

>> Oops, I got that backwards, this would have to be the "tone/scale"
>> differentiating part. Small one and large one for different
>> octaves--clip tines to appropriate length to get the tones in the scale
>> required. Admittedly, this is just a guess (looks familiar though!).
>
> For this application, the ends would have to be in line to line
> up with the plucker pins on the cylinder which carries the tune. This
> means that the slots would have to be of varying length to produce the
> varying pitch tines.
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
>

Obviously, you are correct. Thanks! -Bill

BB

Bill

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 1:20 AM

DoN. Nichols wrote:

>>> Part of a churn for making butter.
>>
>>
>> Nope, it's not for butter.
>
> Perhaps for pulverizing manure?
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
>

Now that sounds like a "thankless" task...

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 2:52 AM


"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2011-04-29, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> "Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100%
>>>>>>sure:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>>>>>
>>>>> 2227. Animal feed masher for turnips, swedes, other root vegetables
>>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This tool is used in a similar manner to a masher but it isn't for root
>>>> vegetables and I don't think masher is the proper term for it.
>>>
>>> Part of a churn for making butter.
>>
>>
>> Nope, it's not for butter.
>
> Perhaps for pulverizing manure?


Nope, it's not related to animals.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 3:01 AM


> 2227) ... If the vanes are sharp edged, perhaps for chopping something up
> to fine particles.


Where I found this tool the vanes were called blades so I would say they're
probably sharp edged, so "chopping something up to fine particles" is a good
guess for this one.


Rob

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 3:12 AM


"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2011-04-28, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> 2228: a spyhole through a door
>>
>>
>> Someone else had suggested this but it doesn't have any mounting holes so
>> I
>> don't think this is what it's for.
>
> Perhaps intended to be glued in place? This one was perhaps
> never installed? (Or, perhaps some finishing nails could be hidden in
> the cups of the acorn caps.)
>
> Maybe to go on the outside of a coffin to allow a live burial to
> breathe for a while and perhaps be rescued?


I was thinking it might be a cover for an inkwell that was sunk into a desk,
that would explain why there are no mounting holes. It appears to have some
wear on the raised surfaces, and possibly some ink stains on the brass
surface but it's hard to tell exactly what the marks seen in this photo are
from:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2012/pic2228ca.jpg


Rob

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 11:43 AM


"humunculus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Apr 28, 4:08 pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>
> Rob

>Has anyone asked what the text says on the second one?

>--riverman


I did a translation on the text, I was figuring that they were just names,
below is the before and after:

BREVE DIN Von S.G.D.G.
H. FROMONT
EN FRANCE & A L'ETRANGER

BRIEF DIN Von S.G.D.G.
H. FROMONT
IN FRANCE & THE COUNTRY

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 3:26 PM


>>> I did a translation on the text, I was figuring that they were just
>>> names, below is the before and after:
>>>
>>> BREVE DIN Von S.G.D.G.
>>> H. FROMONT
>>> EN FRANCE & A L'ETRANGER
>>>
>>> BRIEF DIN Von S.G.D.G.
>>> H. FROMONT
>>> IN FRANCE & THE COUNTRY
>>
>> Hmmmm, that's Google's translate function for you eh? Anyway what it
>> actually says is.
>>
>> SOLD WITHOUT ANY GOVERNMENT GUARANTEE (Sans Guarantie Du Gouvernement)
>> H. FROMONT
>> IN FRANCE AND ABROAD
>> --
>> Dave Baker
>
> PS. The "Breve Von Din" bit is probably "brevété" which means "patented"
> followed by whoever took that out.


Thanks! I'll forward this on to the owner of it.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 11:01 PM


"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2011-04-29, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 2011-04-28, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2228: a spyhole through a door
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Someone else had suggested this but it doesn't have any mounting holes
>>>> so
>>>> I
>>>> don't think this is what it's for.
>>>
>>> Perhaps intended to be glued in place? This one was perhaps
>>> never installed? (Or, perhaps some finishing nails could be hidden in
>>> the cups of the acorn caps.)
>>>
>>> Maybe to go on the outside of a coffin to allow a live burial to
>>> breathe for a while and perhaps be rescued?
>>
>>
>> I was thinking it might be a cover for an inkwell that was sunk into a
>> desk,
>> that would explain why there are no mounting holes.
>
> It would not stay centered over the inkwell without mounting
> holes, unless it were at least glued in place -- perhaps with provisions
> for removing and replacing the inkwells from below.
>
> I do remember there were still inkwells in some of the desks at
> school in South Texas prior to the 1960s at least. They were no longer
> in use, and I at first wondered about them as a kid. Some of the desks
> just had the holes for the inkwells, without the inkwells still being
> present.
>
>> It appears to have
>> some
>> wear on the raised surfaces,
>
> Mostly from a right hand opening it many times -- and a few from
> the left hand as well.
>
>> and possibly some ink stains on the brass
>> surface but it's hard to tell exactly what the marks seen in this photo
>> are
>> from:
>>
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2012/pic2228ca.jpg
>
> They could indeed be ink. Was there anything on the underside
> of the hinged part? The angle of view doesn't give much chance of
> telling it.
>
> And where did you find this one? At a guess, in an antique
> store, not in a museum, where it would have been properly labeled.

Someone sent me the photos, looking to find out what it is, they found it a
box along with a few unfinished furniture legs that someone had given them.
I don't know if there was anything on the underside of the hinged part.

Rob


JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

30/04/2011 1:32 AM

On 4/29/11 3:26 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>
>>>> I did a translation on the text, I was figuring that they were just
>>>> names, below is the before and after:
>>>>
>>>> BREVE DIN Von S.G.D.G.
>>>> H. FROMONT
>>>> EN FRANCE & A L'ETRANGER
>>>>
>>>> BRIEF DIN Von S.G.D.G.
>>>> H. FROMONT
>>>> IN FRANCE & THE COUNTRY
>>>
>>> Hmmmm, that's Google's translate function for you eh? Anyway what it
>>> actually says is.
>>>
>>> SOLD WITHOUT ANY GOVERNMENT GUARANTEE (Sans Guarantie Du Gouvernement)
>>> H. FROMONT
>>> IN FRANCE AND ABROAD
>>> --
>>> Dave Baker
>>
>> PS. The "Breve Von Din" bit is probably "brevété" which means
>> "patented" followed by whoever took that out.
>
>
> Thanks! I'll forward this on to the owner of it.
>
How about a cover for a sunken ashtray?

The brass plate would cover a circular receptacle about 5cm in diameter,
somewhat smaller than a soda can. In four places, the carving would
hide studs such as screw heads on a desk, which would keep the cover
from sliding out of place.

The well around the lid is about 5cm in diameter. The opening is about
14 x 17mm.

It doesn't look good for cigarettes, which the nontoxic match made
popular about 1910. I think this is from an earlier period, when pipes
and cigars were very popular.

Three drawbacks were:
1. The fire hazard
2. The stink of smoldering remains and of cigar butts, pipe dottle, and
pipe cleaners.
3. Ash particles.

If you had to put your pipe down, you could open the lid and put the
heel of the pipe in the hole, with the stem resting on the rim of the
5cm well. With the rim of the bowl leaning against the open lid, it
should be stable. The carving would keep a 10 x 16cm space clear, to
reduce the risk of bumping the pipe. A cigar would be rested similarly.

Cigar ashes could be tapped into the hole as one smoked. Pipe dottle
could be tapped into the hole after smoking. Any remaining in the well
could be brushed into the hole. There could be water in the bottom of
the sunken receptacle to prevent smoldering.

With the lid closed, there would be little chance for stale odors to
permeate the room. To drop in a large cigar butt, it may have been
necessary to lift the carving from the desk.

Such a device would have been advertised to enable somebody to smoke
without causing a fire, without adding ash dust to the environment, and
without leaving much stink. Perhaps if something was sold for fire
safety, it was necessary to say whether the government certified it.
Hence the "Sans Guarantie Du Gouvernement."

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

30/04/2011 10:55 PM

On 4/30/11 1:32 AM, J Burns wrote:
> On 4/29/11 3:26 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>
>>>>> I did a translation on the text, I was figuring that they were just
>>>>> names, below is the before and after:
>>>>>
>>>>> BREVE DIN Von S.G.D.G.
>>>>> H. FROMONT
>>>>> EN FRANCE & A L'ETRANGER
>>>>>
>>>>> BRIEF DIN Von S.G.D.G.
>>>>> H. FROMONT
>>>>> IN FRANCE & THE COUNTRY
>>>>
>>>> Hmmmm, that's Google's translate function for you eh? Anyway what it
>>>> actually says is.
>>>>
>>>> SOLD WITHOUT ANY GOVERNMENT GUARANTEE (Sans Guarantie Du Gouvernement)
>>>> H. FROMONT
>>>> IN FRANCE AND ABROAD
>>>> --
>>>> Dave Baker
>>>
>>> PS. The "Breve Von Din" bit is probably "brevété" which means
>>> "patented" followed by whoever took that out.
>>
>>
>> Thanks! I'll forward this on to the owner of it.
>>
> How about a cover for a sunken ashtray?
>
Patents for trap door ash receptacles.

2,583,730
1,908,279
2,539,166
2,531,503
1,799,897

In each case, the trap door seems to be at the work surface and the
receptacle below. They're for cigarette smokers. I believe the mystery
item is the lid for a similar receptacle for pipe smokers.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

01/05/2011 12:27 PM

> How about a cover for a sunken ashtray?



You're the first to offer that suggestion for it, while it does sound
possible I'm still betting on the inkwell idea, but I would place an even
larger bet that we'll never find out for sure exactly what it is.


Rob

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

01/05/2011 1:03 PM


>> How about a cover for a sunken ashtray?
>>
> Patents for trap door ash receptacles.
>
> 2,583,730
> 1,908,279
> 2,539,166
> 2,531,503
> 1,799,897
>
> In each case, the trap door seems to be at the work surface and the
> receptacle below. They're for cigarette smokers. I believe the mystery
> item is the lid for a similar receptacle for pipe smokers.


Somehow I didn't see this post before I replied to your previous one, I like
this idea more after seeing the patents, though without any hard evidence I
still think we can't call it solved but I'd say we have it narrowed down
well. I added your suggestion to the answer page and will pass it on the
owner of it, thanks for your research!


Rob

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

01/05/2011 6:27 PM

On 5/1/11 12:27 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> How about a cover for a sunken ashtray?
>
>
>
> You're the first to offer that suggestion for it, while it does sound
> possible I'm still betting on the inkwell idea, but I would place an
> even larger bet that we'll never find out for sure exactly what it is.
>
>
> Rob

An inkwell and an ash receptacle would both be sunken to avoid being
knocked off a desk, but why would an inkwell have such a large cover? I
see no place to hold a pen. Why would an inkwell have a 5cm pit around
the opening? If a pen touched the side of the opening, wouldn't ink run
along the underside of the cover, getting on the desk, fingers, and
perhaps clothes? What would government certification have to do with an
inkwell?

Pipe smoking or the smell of it on a man's clothes attracted women in
the 19th Century, but the odor of dottle in the home would have been
abhorrent because dottle contains a lot of tars. Perhaps wives were the
primary customers of elegant closed ash receptacles.

Clay pipes were king until the late 19th Century, and the bowls got too
hot to touch without gloves. With the trap door open, the mystery item
looks like a dandy place to lay a hot clay pipe.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

02/05/2011 8:50 AM


> An inkwell and an ash receptacle would both be sunken to avoid being
> knocked off a desk, but why would an inkwell have such a large cover? I
> see no place to hold a pen. Why would an inkwell have a 5cm pit around
> the opening? If a pen touched the side of the opening, wouldn't ink run
> along the underside of the cover, getting on the desk, fingers, and
> perhaps clothes? What would government certification have to do with an
> inkwell?
>
> Pipe smoking or the smell of it on a man's clothes attracted women in the
> 19th Century, but the odor of dottle in the home would have been abhorrent
> because dottle contains a lot of tars. Perhaps wives were the primary
> customers of elegant closed ash receptacles.
>
> Clay pipes were king until the late 19th Century, and the bowls got too
> hot to touch without gloves. With the trap door open, the mystery item
> looks like a dandy place to lay a hot clay pipe.


You make a good case for the ashtray idea, hopefully some day we'll get a
definitive answer for this item.

DN

"DoN. Nichols"

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 3:03 AM

On 2011-04-28, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html

posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.

2227) Looks like a tool for straining out lumps from a sewage
pool.

If the vanes are sharp edged, perhaps for chopping something up
to fine particles.

2228) At a guess -- it goes on the inside of a door, and there
is a similar decorative piece on the outside. This is
similar in function to the wide-angled peepholes in apartment
and older hotel doors.

The trapdoor keeps it from being used to spy into the apartment,
and the rest is to hide the existence of it in decorative
features. The similar decorative feature on the outside of the
door would simply disguise the presence of a hole in all the
filigree -- at least until someone opened the inside trapdoor.
Ideally, there would be a glass plate between the two, so
someone could not poke the trapdoor open from the outside.

I guess that it could also serve to close a speaking tube from
the apartment down to the entranceway -- preventing its use for
eavesdropping, and again hiding what would be otherwise an ugly
feature.

2229) Looks quite similar to the adaptors used to take a hand-held
electric drill and turn it into a marginal drill press.

Except that the drill motor here does not look like a hand-held
electric drill. This may have been made this way from scratch
as a low-budget drill press, or be the result of someone
modifying one of the adaptors to make something a bit more
usable.

Interesting features here include the suction cup operated by a
lever to lock it onto a smooth work surface, and the open frame
in the drill area with at least what looks like marks at the
near edge to show the centerline of the drill. The frame has a
recess to allow a backing plate to be dropped in, and I suspect
that there is another mark along the front (a view which we
don't get in these photos) to help form a set of cross-hairs for
positioning the workpiece. It also appears to have fine
adjustments for making the table of the drill press level, which
suggests some specific task for which being level is quite
important.

The wiring looks like perhaps around 1930-1950 period. Given
that the plug is right in front of the column of about the same
color I can't really tell whether it is a two-pin or a three-pin
plug.

2230) "Combs" used for making the decorative swirls in the inside
cover pages of old (or newer hand-bound) books.

2231) To hold black powder for something like a starters gun?

2232) For moving logs?

Now to see what others have suggested.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 3:09 AM

On 2011-04-28, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> 2228: a spyhole through a door
>
>
> Someone else had suggested this but it doesn't have any mounting holes so I
> don't think this is what it's for.

Perhaps intended to be glued in place? This one was perhaps
never installed? (Or, perhaps some finishing nails could be hidden in
the cups of the acorn caps.)

Maybe to go on the outside of a coffin to allow a live burial to
breathe for a while and perhaps be rescued?

Enjoy,
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"DoN. Nichols"

in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 3:14 AM

On 2011-04-28, Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/28/2011 7:12 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> 2227 Potato masher for handicap people who can't bend over.
>> 2228 no clue
>> 2229 obvious to me -- it's a drill press
>> 2230 sheeps wool comb
>> 2231 drain valve for a steam heat system
>> 2232 toy for butchers, put a steak on the end of the chain.
>> Flip it up, and try to catch the steak on the tines. Normal
>> kids use a ball and a plastic catcher. Butchers tend toward
>> macabre humor.
>>
> 2230 parts of a harmonica that creates the sound. Sure they have a
> name but don't know it.

The reeds? I don't think so, because each reed would need to be
a different length to produce the scale of notes required. Besides, they
would need to be secured to a plate with rectangular holes just the
right size for the tongues of the reeds to bend down into them during
playing. And there is not sufficient spacing to offer adequate strength
between the reeds. (Aside from the difficulty of ducting individual air
passaged to each reed chamber with them that closely spaced.)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 3:17 AM

On 2011-04-28, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/28/2011 12:15 PM, Bill wrote:
>> On 4/28/2011 4:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100% sure:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>> #2230 A blank for making the tune differentiating part that they put in
>> musical boxes (that you wind up)?
>>
>> Bill
>
>
> Oops, I got that backwards, this would have to be the "tone/scale"
> differentiating part. Small one and large one for different
> octaves--clip tines to appropriate length to get the tones in the scale
> required. Admittedly, this is just a guess (looks familiar though!).

For this application, the ends would have to be in line to line
up with the plucker pins on the cylinder which carries the tune. This
means that the slots would have to be of varying length to produce the
varying pitch tines.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

29/04/2011 3:18 AM

On 2011-04-29, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Dave Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>I think that I know the answer for the second item but I'm not 100%
>>>>>sure:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2011/04/set-386.html
>>>>
>>>> 2227. Animal feed masher for turnips, swedes, other root vegetables etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> This tool is used in a similar manner to a masher but it isn't for root
>>> vegetables and I don't think masher is the proper term for it.
>>
>> Part of a churn for making butter.
>
>
> Nope, it's not for butter.

Perhaps for pulverizing manure?

Enjoy,
DoN.

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in reply to "Rob H." on 28/04/2011 4:08 AM

30/04/2011 2:26 AM

On 2011-04-29, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2011-04-28, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2228: a spyhole through a door
>>>
>>>
>>> Someone else had suggested this but it doesn't have any mounting holes so
>>> I
>>> don't think this is what it's for.
>>
>> Perhaps intended to be glued in place? This one was perhaps
>> never installed? (Or, perhaps some finishing nails could be hidden in
>> the cups of the acorn caps.)
>>
>> Maybe to go on the outside of a coffin to allow a live burial to
>> breathe for a while and perhaps be rescued?
>
>
> I was thinking it might be a cover for an inkwell that was sunk into a desk,
> that would explain why there are no mounting holes.

It would not stay centered over the inkwell without mounting
holes, unless it were at least glued in place -- perhaps with provisions
for removing and replacing the inkwells from below.

I do remember there were still inkwells in some of the desks at
school in South Texas prior to the 1960s at least. They were no longer
in use, and I at first wondered about them as a kid. Some of the desks
just had the holes for the inkwells, without the inkwells still being
present.

> It appears to have some
> wear on the raised surfaces,

Mostly from a right hand opening it many times -- and a few from
the left hand as well.

> and possibly some ink stains on the brass
> surface but it's hard to tell exactly what the marks seen in this photo are
> from:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2012/pic2228ca.jpg

They could indeed be ink. Was there anything on the underside
of the hinged part? The angle of view doesn't give much chance of
telling it.

And where did you find this one? At a guess, in an antique
store, not in a museum, where it would have been properly labeled.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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