Japanese Waterstones Remove Fingerprints

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:32:47 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]> wrote:

>Did you know that a Japanese waterstone can remove fingerprints -
>from fingers?!
>
sure but diamond stones are worse (G) when I was learning I wore off all my
fingertips all 10 of them. I had some serious problems with typing (G)

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:32:47 -0800, charlie b wrote:

> Did you know that a Japanese waterstone can remove fingerprints -
> from fingers?!
>

Reminds of a time when I was shaping some very small pieces of wood with a
finish sander with, I think 100 grit. I had to hold the wood right up to
the sander. After I finished I noticed that I had sanded off half of my
thumbnail -- not the surface part just the part that had gotten long and
really needed trimming anyway. It left a nice smooth edge too, because I
guess the finish sander was acting like a power emery board. I just wish I
had noticed while it was happening so I could have done the whole nail
instead of just half!

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:15:48 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
pixelated:

> BTW - I've got the DMT diamond plates and they're unused to date. Got
>them
> back when I thought I could buy "sharp".

I'll buy them off you for a song, charlie.
I love DMTs.

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Steve Knight wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:32:47 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Did you know that a Japanese waterstone can remove fingerprints -
> >from fingers?!
> >
> sure but diamond stones are worse (G) when I was learning I wore off all my
> fingertips all 10 of them. I had some serious problems with typing (G)
>

Steve:

Given the sharpness of the irons in your planes and marking knives you
make
it's amazing that you still have all your fingers and have limited
parts
removal to only fingerprints.

BTW - I've got the DMT diamond plates and they're unused to date. Got
them
back when I thought I could buy "sharp". Also inherited a range of
rock
polishing/tumbling grits and haven't tried them for sharpening yet
either.
The big drawback to wet stones, either oil or water, is the mess they
can create, the water stones being the worse offender. Wonder if KY
jelly
would neaten things up or just gum up the stones. (Snide remarks
should
be uttered but not typed or e-mailed - I try to think creatively - and
most often fail).

charlie b

Scott Cramer wrote:

> I know what happened to the guy who mixed up the KY Jelly with the
> glazing compound... but what about KY and sharpening oil?
>
> And for those who don't know the answer to the first question -
>

I tried that Kentucky jelly with peanut butter. Didn't care for it much.
ARM

Michael McIntyre wrote:

> Wow, that really brings the memories flooding back. One of the lessons
> that... Oh hell, there's just no way I can relate this tale without
> getting too risqué for this group. Let's just say I know what that stuff
> tastes like, and no, I'm not gay, and we'll just leave the rest to
> everyone's imagination. (It tastes *horrible*)


So much for my request that there not be any snide
remarks. No matter where threads start it's impossible
to know where they're going to end up. Who would have
thought we had a cunning linguist amongst us.

Such a diverse group.

charlie b

Silvan wrote:

> Alan McClure wrote:
>
> > I tried that Kentucky jelly with peanut butter. Didn't care for it much.
>
> Wow, that really brings the memories flooding back. One of the lessons
> that... Oh hell, there's just no way I can relate this tale without
> getting too risqué for this group. Let's just say I know what that stuff
> tastes like, and no, I'm not gay, and we'll just leave the rest to
> everyone's imagination. (It tastes *horrible*)
>
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Back when I worked for Dupont Instruments, I did a service call at
Ortho Pharmaceuticals in Ontario, CA. On my way through the lab
I see a box labeled "Spermicidal Jelly, Orange Flavored". Trying to
be facetious I asked the chemist that was escorting me, "Orange
flavored, huh. How's it taste?"
With out batting an eye, he said, "Not bad."
I left it at that. Any more information would have ruined the
picture my imagination was providing.

ARM

Perhaps someone here who has used King stones and Norton stones can
compare/contrast them? I haven't been all that happy with the Norton
Combo stones (220/1000, 4000/8000). They don't seem to hold true for
very long and the seem to want to glaze over quickly. I find myself
spritzing every few strokes.

Compared with Scary Sharp, water stones seem to be a pain...

But you never know, it might just be me...

doug.


charlie b wrote:
> Did you know that a Japanese waterstone can remove fingerprints -
> from fingers?!
>
> On a whim, I’d picked up an 800 and a 6000 King waterstones well over a
> year ago but never used them - I already had a Tormek which I thought
> would be all I’d ever need for sharpening. The Tormek doesn’t work for
> flattening the backs of chisels and plane irons but the india stones and
> the hard arkansas stone from my engraving days took care of that
> shortcoming. Then I got a set of Sorbey butt chisels. Well the Tormek
> jig I had just wouldn’t handle short chisels.
>
> Hmmm - maybe the waterstones?
>
> Soaked them, put each in its own shallow big casserole dish with some
> water and started flattening the back of the first chisel on the 800
> stone. Hey - this sucker cuts fast yet doesn’t leave deep scratches like
> a coarse or even a medium india stone.. No oil either. Wiped off the
> grime and tried the “super finish stone” (6000). Amazing, most of the
> scratches from the 800 all but disappeared, leaving a nice shiney
> finish.
>
> Went back to the 800 and started on the bevel - freehand. - middle
> finger of my left hand pressng the front of the bevel down onto the
> stone. A passor two - check the new scratch marks - looks good so kept
> going. On to the 6000 - nice! Over to the piece of leather glued on a
> marble tile and dusted it with tin oxide. A few passes on the bevel and
> I had a nice sharp chisel. One down, six to go.
>
> When I finished the butt chisels I grabbed a handful of Buck chisels and
> did them. While I was at it I sharpened the blue handles Marples and a
> pair of skew chisels. And while I was at it I did my marking knives as
> well. KOOL! With the exception of the Two Cherries, all my chisels are
> ready for making the through dovetails I need for the skirt/apron of the
> real workbench I’m making. Chopping out the waste in 8/4 stock requires
> sharp chisels and now I definitely have sharp chisels.
>
> Turned out the shop lights and went to bed - dreams of see-thru slices
> of end grain dancing in my head. Waterstones! What a trip!
>
> When I awoke this morning I noticed that the tip of my left middle
> finger felt funny. Looking closely I noted that I’d waterstoned
> some of my finger print off - along with whatever the material
> below is called. Turns out that while pressing the front edge of
> the bevel onto the waterstone I’d also been pressing some of
> my skin on to it as well.
>
> Notes to self:
>
> Sharpen one or two chisels at a time when using an 800 waterstone.
>
> DO NOT sharpen 23 chisels and two marking knives in one session.
>
> Make a sign
> WARNING
> Japanese Water Stones Will Remove Fingerprints
> (and some of the underlying meat)
>
> If you haven't tried japanese waterstones yet ...
>
> charlie b

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:32:47 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Did you know that a Japanese waterstone can remove fingerprints -
>from fingers?!

Good to know before I rob a bank! :-)

Layne

Interesting question about Norton stones. They were touted to be the
"best" when they came out but I haven't read anything about them
since. I have a 4000 but it doesn't seem to do much. This is after a
1200 Deluxe waterstone. Now Deluxe is cheap but they work great! But I
expected a LOT from Norton and quite frankly, I think I could skip it
and wouldn't miss much. Will order a 3000 Deluxe and see what it
does. I have heard a lot of good things of King. My diamond stone
don't seem to work quite as fast as my waterstone does. Isn't that
odd.
Maybe Charlie will reply. Bet he has tested or at least has some
experience with these.


On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:06:39 GMT, Doug Van Horn <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Perhaps someone here who has used King stones and Norton stones can
>compare/contrast them? I haven't been all that happy with the Norton
>Combo stones (220/1000, 4000/8000). They don't seem to hold true for
>very long and the seem to want to glaze over quickly. I find myself
>spritzing every few strokes.
>
>Compared with Scary Sharp, water stones seem to be a pain...
>
>But you never know, it might just be me...
>
>doug.
>
>
>charlie b wrote:
>> Did you know that a Japanese waterstone can remove fingerprints -
>> from fingers?!
>>
>> On a whim, I’d picked up an 800 and a 6000 King waterstones well over a
>> year ago but never used them - I already had a Tormek which I thought
>> would be all I’d ever need for sharpening. The Tormek doesn’t work for
>> flattening the backs of chisels and plane irons but the india stones and
>> the hard arkansas stone from my engraving days took care of that
>> shortcoming. Then I got a set of Sorbey butt chisels. Well the Tormek
>> jig I had just wouldn’t handle short chisels.
>>
>> Hmmm - maybe the waterstones?
>>
>> Soaked them, put each in its own shallow big casserole dish with some
>> water and started flattening the back of the first chisel on the 800
>> stone. Hey - this sucker cuts fast yet doesn’t leave deep scratches like
>> a coarse or even a medium india stone.. No oil either. Wiped off the
>> grime and tried the “super finish stone” (6000). Amazing, most of the
>> scratches from the 800 all but disappeared, leaving a nice shiney
>> finish.
>>
>> Went back to the 800 and started on the bevel - freehand. - middle
>> finger of my left hand pressng the front of the bevel down onto the
>> stone. A passor two - check the new scratch marks - looks good so kept
>> going. On to the 6000 - nice! Over to the piece of leather glued on a
>> marble tile and dusted it with tin oxide. A few passes on the bevel and
>> I had a nice sharp chisel. One down, six to go.
>>
>> When I finished the butt chisels I grabbed a handful of Buck chisels and
>> did them. While I was at it I sharpened the blue handles Marples and a
>> pair of skew chisels. And while I was at it I did my marking knives as
>> well. KOOL! With the exception of the Two Cherries, all my chisels are
>> ready for making the through dovetails I need for the skirt/apron of the
>> real workbench I’m making. Chopping out the waste in 8/4 stock requires
>> sharp chisels and now I definitely have sharp chisels.
>>
>> Turned out the shop lights and went to bed - dreams of see-thru slices
>> of end grain dancing in my head. Waterstones! What a trip!
>>
>> When I awoke this morning I noticed that the tip of my left middle
>> finger felt funny. Looking closely I noted that I’d waterstoned
>> some of my finger print off - along with whatever the material
>> below is called. Turns out that while pressing the front edge of
>> the bevel onto the waterstone I’d also been pressing some of
>> my skin on to it as well.
>>
>> Notes to self:
>>
>> Sharpen one or two chisels at a time when using an 800 waterstone.
>>
>> DO NOT sharpen 23 chisels and two marking knives in one session.
>>
>> Make a sign
>> WARNING
>> Japanese Water Stones Will Remove Fingerprints
>> (and some of the underlying meat)
>>
>> If you haven't tried japanese waterstones yet ...
>>
>> charlie b

>
> Given the sharpness of the irons in your planes and marking knives you
>make
> it's amazing that you still have all your fingers and have limited
>parts
> removal to only fingerprints.
>

I never cut my self checking a sharp tool. more from some bumbling act like
flattening a japanese iron on sandpaper (lapping it) and getting my finger even
though the blade was not sharp other dumb things.

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charlie b wrote:

> Did you know that a Japanese waterstone can remove fingerprints -
> from fingers?!

Why is this such a shock? Belt sanders can remove fingerprints from fingers
too. :) DAMHIKT.

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:32:47 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Did you know that a Japanese waterstone can remove fingerprints -
>from fingers?!

Of course !

Stop sharpening when the stone turns red. It means you've ground the
tip off your jig-finger, down to the capillaries.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:27:29 +0100, Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:


>Stop sharpening when the stone turns red. It means you've ground the
>tip off your jig-finger, down to the capillaries.

(G) the problem is you can't feel it that's what I don't like.

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> Actually Charlie, KY water based liquid type might not be a bad idea,
> , , the two main ingredients are glycerin and propylene glycol.
> that along with the water base might not be a bad idea for use with a
> water stone.
> who ever tries this just remember,,,use the liquid stuff,,,not the
> jelly in the tube!

I know what happened to the guy who mixed up the KY Jelly with the
glazing compound... but what about KY and sharpening oil?

And for those who don't know the answer to the first question -

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keep scrolling

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almost there

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His windows fell out.

Alan McClure wrote:

> I tried that Kentucky jelly with peanut butter. Didn't care for it much.

Wow, that really brings the memories flooding back. One of the lessons
that... Oh hell, there's just no way I can relate this tale without
getting too risqué for this group. Let's just say I know what that stuff
tastes like, and no, I'm not gay, and we'll just leave the rest to
everyone's imagination. (It tastes *horrible*)

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D K Woods wrote:

> thumbnail -- not the surface part just the part that had gotten long and
> really needed trimming anyway. It left a nice smooth edge too, because I

Hee... I just looked, and I have three nails that are flattened like that.
:)

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I remember reading years ago that the old safe-cracking burglars used to
sandpaper their fingertips so that they would be more sensitive to the
clicking of the tumblers in the lock. Perhaps you have a whole new career
in prospect!

Cheers,

Frank


"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Did you know that a Japanese waterstone can remove fingerprints -
> from fingers?!
>
> On a whim, I'd picked up an 800 and a 6000 King waterstones well over a
> year ago but never used them - I already had a Tormek which I thought
> would be all I'd ever need for sharpening. The Tormek doesn't work for
> flattening the backs of chisels and plane irons but the india stones and
> the hard arkansas stone from my engraving days took care of that
> shortcoming. Then I got a set of Sorbey butt chisels. Well the Tormek
> jig I had just wouldn't handle short chisels.
>
> Hmmm - maybe the waterstones?
>
> Soaked them, put each in its own shallow big casserole dish with some
> water and started flattening the back of the first chisel on the 800
> stone. Hey - this sucker cuts fast yet doesn't leave deep scratches like
> a coarse or even a medium india stone.. No oil either. Wiped off the
> grime and tried the "super finish stone" (6000). Amazing, most of the
> scratches from the 800 all but disappeared, leaving a nice shiney
> finish.
>
> Went back to the 800 and started on the bevel - freehand. - middle
> finger of my left hand pressng the front of the bevel down onto the
> stone. A passor two - check the new scratch marks - looks good so kept
> going. On to the 6000 - nice! Over to the piece of leather glued on a
> marble tile and dusted it with tin oxide. A few passes on the bevel and
> I had a nice sharp chisel. One down, six to go.
>
> When I finished the butt chisels I grabbed a handful of Buck chisels and
> did them. While I was at it I sharpened the blue handles Marples and a
> pair of skew chisels. And while I was at it I did my marking knives as
> well. KOOL! With the exception of the Two Cherries, all my chisels are
> ready for making the through dovetails I need for the skirt/apron of the
> real workbench I'm making. Chopping out the waste in 8/4 stock requires
> sharp chisels and now I definitely have sharp chisels.
>
> Turned out the shop lights and went to bed - dreams of see-thru slices
> of end grain dancing in my head. Waterstones! What a trip!
>
> When I awoke this morning I noticed that the tip of my left middle
> finger felt funny. Looking closely I noted that I'd waterstoned
> some of my finger print off - along with whatever the material
> below is called. Turns out that while pressing the front edge of
> the bevel onto the waterstone I'd also been pressing some of
> my skin on to it as well.
>
> Notes to self:
>
> Sharpen one or two chisels at a time when using an 800 waterstone.
>
> DO NOT sharpen 23 chisels and two marking knives in one session.
>
> Make a sign
> WARNING
> Japanese Water Stones Will Remove Fingerprints
> (and some of the underlying meat)
>
> If you haven't tried japanese waterstones yet ...
>
> charlie b

Aren't they a true delight to use? I love mine. Sharpened a badly
chipped chisel in under 5 minutes timed. One you set you chisel in the
little clamping device, you switch stones at will and can fly when
sharpening!!!

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:32:47 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Did you know that a Japanese waterstone can remove fingerprints -
>from fingers?!
>
>On a whim, I’d picked up an 800 and a 6000 King waterstones well over a
>year ago but never used them - I already had a Tormek which I thought
>would be all I’d ever need for sharpening. The Tormek doesn’t work for
>flattening the backs of chisels and plane irons but the india stones and
>the hard arkansas stone from my engraving days took care of that
>shortcoming. Then I got a set of Sorbey butt chisels. Well the Tormek
>jig I had just wouldn’t handle short chisels.
>
>Hmmm - maybe the waterstones?
>
>Soaked them, put each in its own shallow big casserole dish with some
>water and started flattening the back of the first chisel on the 800
>stone. Hey - this sucker cuts fast yet doesn’t leave deep scratches like
>a coarse or even a medium india stone.. No oil either. Wiped off the
>grime and tried the “super finish stone” (6000). Amazing, most of the
>scratches from the 800 all but disappeared, leaving a nice shiney
>finish.
>
>Went back to the 800 and started on the bevel - freehand. - middle
>finger of my left hand pressng the front of the bevel down onto the
>stone. A passor two - check the new scratch marks - looks good so kept
>going. On to the 6000 - nice! Over to the piece of leather glued on a
>marble tile and dusted it with tin oxide. A few passes on the bevel and
>I had a nice sharp chisel. One down, six to go.
>
>When I finished the butt chisels I grabbed a handful of Buck chisels and
>did them. While I was at it I sharpened the blue handles Marples and a
>pair of skew chisels. And while I was at it I did my marking knives as
>well. KOOL! With the exception of the Two Cherries, all my chisels are
>ready for making the through dovetails I need for the skirt/apron of the
>real workbench I’m making. Chopping out the waste in 8/4 stock requires
>sharp chisels and now I definitely have sharp chisels.
>
>Turned out the shop lights and went to bed - dreams of see-thru slices
>of end grain dancing in my head. Waterstones! What a trip!
>
>When I awoke this morning I noticed that the tip of my left middle
>finger felt funny. Looking closely I noted that I’d waterstoned
>some of my finger print off - along with whatever the material
>below is called. Turns out that while pressing the front edge of
>the bevel onto the waterstone I’d also been pressing some of
>my skin on to it as well.
>
>Notes to self:
>
> Sharpen one or two chisels at a time when using an 800 waterstone.
>
> DO NOT sharpen 23 chisels and two marking knives in one session.
>
> Make a sign
> WARNING
> Japanese Water Stones Will Remove Fingerprints
> (and some of the underlying meat)
>
>If you haven't tried japanese waterstones yet ...
>
>charlie b

charlie b wrote:

> to know where they're going to end up. Who would have
> thought we had a cunning linguist amongst us.

LMAO. Not so cunning after all.

At least I only made that mistake *once*.

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:15:48 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:

Actually Charlie, KY water based liquid type might not be a bad idea,
, , the two main ingredients are glycerin and propylene glycol.
that along with the water base might not be a bad idea for use with a
water stone.
who ever tries this just remember,,,use the liquid stuff,,,not the
jelly in the tube!

Traves

snip

> The big drawback to wet stones, either oil or water, is the mess they
> can create, the water stones being the worse offender. Wonder if KY
>jelly
> would neaten things up or just gum up the stones. (Snide remarks
>should
> be uttered but not typed or e-mailed - I try to think creatively - and
> most often fail).

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:53:53 -0500, Ramsey <[email protected]> wrote:

>Interesting question about Norton stones. They were touted to be the
>"best" when they came out but I haven't read anything about them
>since. I have a 4000 but it doesn't seem to do much. This is after a
>1200 Deluxe waterstone.
norton have not changed their stones in awhile. there are atleast two brands
that are better. bester ceramic stones and shapton. both will cut faster and
last logger between flattening. but the shapton is the king on speed and
longevity.

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Charlie, whatcha want for your diamond stones? And what size/grit are
they?

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:15:48 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Steve Knight wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:32:47 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Did you know that a Japanese waterstone can remove fingerprints -
>> >from fingers?!
>> >
>> sure but diamond stones are worse (G) when I was learning I wore off all my
>> fingertips all 10 of them. I had some serious problems with typing (G)
>>
>
> Steve:
>
> Given the sharpness of the irons in your planes and marking knives you
>make
> it's amazing that you still have all your fingers and have limited
>parts
> removal to only fingerprints.
>
> BTW - I've got the DMT diamond plates and they're unused to date. Got
>them
> back when I thought I could buy "sharp". Also inherited a range of
>rock
> polishing/tumbling grits and haven't tried them for sharpening yet
>either.
> The big drawback to wet stones, either oil or water, is the mess they
> can create, the water stones being the worse offender. Wonder if KY
>jelly
> would neaten things up or just gum up the stones. (Snide remarks
>should
> be uttered but not typed or e-mailed - I try to think creatively - and
> most often fail).
>
> charlie b