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10/09/2009 11:35 AM

Shed roof question

I am going to build a storage shed. I've got more
than enough plans and ideas but one.

I want to build a shed with a low pitched roof. I don't
want a roof higher than about 15" +/- above the door.
It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.

Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs
for sheds? I've seen many a plan where the roof is way
above the door (it seems like wasted space to me) and
others where there is barely a sense of a pitch.

The shed plan is a standard gable style.

Ideas? Thoughts?

MJ


This topic has 50 replies

Hg

Hoosierpopi

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

11/09/2009 8:06 AM

I have to agree with the Roof Overhang. I used enough 18" on one shed
and too little (10") on another and the door of the latter suffers
when it rains and the dirt splashes up and covers the bottom.

Ventilation (ridge vents - Yes!) is another thing one should seriously
consider for any structure.

And, I wire mine for lights (minimum) even if I don't yet have power
to them - just plan to when I get a round tuit.

Pitch also helps keep the leaves on/off - no?

I added rainwater barrels so the pitch heps


CF

Chris Friesen

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 1:57 PM

On 09/10/2009 12:57 PM, whit3rd wrote:
> On Sep 10, 11:35 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> I want to build a shed with a low pitched roof. I don't
>> want a roof higher than about 15" +/- above the door.
>> It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.
>
> If you roof with asphalt, that's about one square. Roof
> material is heavy enough you'll have a bit of a truss, not
> just 2x4s from ridge to wall, so that 15" sets the brace
> position (or less, if you want headroom). Steel roofing
> is self-supporting, but might cost more.

Not sure why you say you need a truss. There are lots of 8x12 sheds
around here with just 2x4s from ridge to wall (and rafters to keep the
sides from spreading out). Actually, my own shed doesn't even have a
ridge board, the spacing is maintained by the sheathing.

Chris

ww

whit3rd

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 8:14 PM

On Sep 10, 12:57=A0pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 09/10/2009 12:57 PM, whit3rd wrote:
>
> > On Sep 10, 11:35 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> >> I want to build a shed with a low pitched roof.

> > If you roof with asphalt, that's about one square. =A0Roof
> > material is heavy enough you'll have a bit of a truss, not
> > just 2x4s from ridge to wall,

> Not sure why you say you need a truss. =A0There are lots of 8x12 sheds
> around here with just 2x4s from ridge to wall (and rafters

I was thinking he'd not want rafters unless they were over head-
height,
but a useful shed might have only 4' or 5' walls. Ergo, trusses.
Nothing complicated, three or four sticks is enough.

Sc

Sonny

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 5:30 PM

How about building your shed 9-1/2' tall. For the exterior walls, if
paneled, put a single 4X8 sheet at the top.... with its bottom edge
beveled 30 degrees. Under that panel, put a 1X2" drip edge, which
would be angled down 30 degrees. Under the drip edge, put a 1-1/2'
tall panel. If the lower edge of the exterior wall ever rots, you
only have to remove/repair the bottom section. That lower section and
drip edge looks nice, also. That's what I did with my shop, using
T1-11 siding.

Sonny

Hg

Hoosierpopi

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

11/09/2009 8:14 AM

"Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs "

Short answer "Look around you!" See "what's common" in your area/

Fellow with the idea of mimicking your house had a good suggestion. We
did that with a shed once and copied the windows, shingles and even
the same vinyl siding. From a distance, it looked like a part of the
house itself.

Who are you looking to please?









ST

Steve Turner

in reply to Hoosierpopi on 11/09/2009 8:14 AM

13/09/2009 3:29 PM

krw wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> krw wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>>>>>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>>>>>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>>>>>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>>>>>> finished it was completely paid for.
>>>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>>>>> these days.
>>>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>>>> size I'd build, in the first place.
>>> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>>>
>>>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>>> Size isn't the issue.
>> Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
>> country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
>> same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
>> shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
>> anywhere near the city...
>
> What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
> building while building a house.

Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me. I'm sorry it was
a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
*we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
time...

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kk

krw

in reply to Hoosierpopi on 11/09/2009 8:14 AM

12/09/2009 10:45 PM

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:

>krw wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> krw wrote:
>>>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>>>>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>>>>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>>>>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>>>>> finished it was completely paid for.
>>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>>>> these days.
>>>
>>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>>> size I'd build, in the first place.
>>
>> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>>
>>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>>
>> Size isn't the issue.
>
>Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
>country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
>same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
>shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
>anywhere near the city...

What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
building while building a house.

Rr

RicodJour

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 5:53 PM

On Sep 10, 5:01=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.
>
> 8x12 lets you use full 4x8 sheets which makes life easier.

There's only one rip, and no wasted wall sheathing, with an 8x10
shed. If that one rip is a deal breaker, I don't think the guy should
be building a shed. ;)

R

c

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

11/09/2009 6:07 PM

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:38:37 -0400, Keith Nuttle
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Upscale wrote:
>> "Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> The oil seems to prevent the water getting into the padlock working
>>> messing it up.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be a little easier just to use a weather proof or weather
>> resistant lock?
>>
>>
>But you would not get the oil running out of the lock down the shed door.
>
>Seriously; even the weather resistant/proof locks need a little help
>after hanging on the shed door for several years.


Hang a flap of inner tube rubber over the lock. No problems.

Or do like I did - put a REAL door and lock kit on the shed, protected
by overhang, just like the front door on the house. (even same key)

MH

"Martin H. Eastburn"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

12/09/2009 8:12 PM

My cousin on my mom's side of the tree retired years ago to Hawaii.
He was a builder and put enough away. The only hitch - kids.
So when the daughter got old enough to go to college or marry,
they had a shell of a house built - that is slab, outside walls and roof.

They would finish the bathrooms and kitchen first. The 'women folk' worked
on the grounds around the house and the 'men folk' did the house. They
always had one to live in and a new one going. They put the daughter through
college and got her started in life. The son was a few years younger and
after a few more houses he went to school and they returned to Hawaii.

The lady of the house worked in a clothing store for spare money.
They did very well during those years and have enjoyed a long life.

Martin


Steve Turner wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> Steve Turner wrote:
>>> I've long wondered why none of these builders have ever thought to
>>> incorporate a good quality shed on a slab (with electricity) straight
>>> into the overall plan for the subdivision. Everybody needs a shed;
>>> wouldn't it be a good selling point to have a well-designed,
>>> top-quality, aesthetically pleasing shed for every house in the
>>> neighborhood?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know about them but if I ever build again, I'm starting with
>> an outbuilding, first, then the house.
>
> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
> finished it was completely paid for.
>

jj

jo4hn

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

11/09/2009 8:57 AM

Hoosierpopi wrote:
> "Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs "
>
> Short answer "Look around you!" See "what's common" in your area/
>
> Fellow with the idea of mimicking your house had a good suggestion. We
> did that with a shed once and copied the windows, shingles and even
> the same vinyl siding. From a distance, it looked like a part of the
> house itself.
>
> Who are you looking to please?
>

I built a pool/gardening shed (8' x 12') that included a 2' porch on one
end. Classy. Dang porch swing didn't work worth spit though.

elegance is my most important product,
jo4hn

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 8:38 PM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7fdd895b-a71d-42c9-8a31-e98b214c82c5@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>I am going to build a storage shed. I've got more
> than enough plans and ideas but one.
>
> I want to build a shed with a low pitched roof. I don't
> want a roof higher than about 15" +/- above the door.
> It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.
>
> Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs
> for sheds? I've seen many a plan where the roof is way
> above the door (it seems like wasted space to me) and
> others where there is barely a sense of a pitch.
>
> The shed plan is a standard gable style.
>
> Ideas? Thoughts?
>
> MJ

I store things in the roof space in my shed... things like PVC pipe, a
string trimmer, pole trimmer, lengths of gutter, etc. that are relatively
light and bulky. The space is so useful for those kinds of things that as I
repair the adjoining shed I'm getting rid of the nearly flat shed roof and
putting a gable roof on.

John

CF

Chris Friesen

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 12:54 PM

On 09/10/2009 12:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs
> for sheds? I've seen many a plan where the roof is way
> above the door (it seems like wasted space to me) and
> others where there is barely a sense of a pitch.

I built my gable-end shed roof with a 10/12 pitch. This gave me storage
room above the rafters, which is accessible via a small opening in the
gable. I use the rafter area for storing long lumber and my spare set
of car wheels.

I think it boils down to whatever you like...as long as it's waterproof
and strong enough to take any required loads (do you have snow?) you're
golden.

Chris

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

15/09/2009 6:27 PM

In article <7fdd895b-a71d-42c9-8a31-e98b214c82c5@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am going to build a storage shed. I've got more
>than enough plans and ideas but one.
>
>I want to build a shed with a low pitched roof. I don't
>want a roof higher than about 15" +/- above the door.
>It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.
>
>Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs
>for sheds?

No. <grin>

That said, out-buildings tend to 'look funny' if they are taller than their
widest dimension.

> I've seen many a plan where the roof is way
>above the door (it seems like wasted space to me) and
>others where there is barely a sense of a pitch.
>
>The shed plan is a standard gable style.
>
>Ideas? Thoughts?

It depends on locale.

As with house roofs, if you're looking at snow loads measured in feet,
the requirements are far different than if you're just shedding water.

The simplest guideline is 'make it high enough to store the tallest thing
you'll put in the shed'. :)

Some people like to store stuff -- either 'long', or 'bulky but lightweight'
types -- "overhead". This calls for a higher roofline than if everything
will sit on the floor, or shelves.

If you're using shelving, consider where the top shelf will be, and how much
clearance you'll have between there and the roof.

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 3:33 PM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7fdd895b-a71d-42c9-8a31-e98b214c82c5@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>I am going to build a storage shed. I've got more
> than enough plans and ideas but one.
>
> I want to build a shed with a low pitched roof. I don't
> want a roof higher than about 15" +/- above the door.
> It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.
>
> Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs
> for sheds? I've seen many a plan where the roof is way
> above the door (it seems like wasted space to me) and
> others where there is barely a sense of a pitch.
>
> The shed plan is a standard gable style.
>
> Ideas? Thoughts?
>
> MJ


What ever you spend a few dollars more and go with use radiant barrier
decking, silver side down. It "will" keep the shed and its contents cooler
in the summer.

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 9:01 PM

> It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.

8x12 lets you use full 4x8 sheets which makes life easier.

Lew


Hu

HerHusband

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

31/10/2009 4:03 PM

> if I ever build again, I'm starting with an
> outbuilding, first, then the house.

We built our detached 24'x28' two car garage a year or so before we built
our house. It offered many benefits including a place to store tools and
materials, a place to work on projects like cabinets, and a place we could
still be working on things even if it was raining outside.

We lived in a single wide mobile on the property while we built our home,
but are very thankful we built the garage first.

Anthony

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 9:07 PM


"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sep 10, 5:01 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.
>
> 8x12 lets you use full 4x8 sheets which makes life easier.

There's only one rip, and no wasted wall sheathing, with an 8x10
shed. If that one rip is a deal breaker, I don't think the guy should
be building a shed. ;)

Well.... you NEED a 5HP Saw Stop cabinet saw with 50" fence and a large
outfeed table, and an Oneida cyclone dust collector for that task.... it
could get expensive.

Using that as a reference point makes SWMBO feel a lot better about the 3 HP
Jet cabinet saw and 1.5 HP 2-bag dust collector.... or the new Porter Cable
circular saw. ;~)

John

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 8:32 PM


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:7fdd895b-a71d-42c9-8a31-e98b214c82c5@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>I am going to build a storage shed. I've got more
>>
>> What ever you spend a few dollars more and go with use radiant barrier
>> decking, silver side down. It "will" keep the shed and its contents
>> cooler in the summer.
>>
>
> Geeeez Translation,,
>
> What ever you go with, spend a few extra dollars and go with radiant
> barrier decking, silver side down.

And for another few bucks put radiant heat in the floor so it's warmer in
the winter.

John


Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

11/09/2009 9:06 AM


"Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> The oil seems to prevent the water getting into the padlock working
> messing it up.

Wouldn't it be a little easier just to use a weather proof or weather
resistant lock?

ww

whit3rd

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 11:57 AM

On Sep 10, 11:35=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> I want to build a shed with a low pitched roof. I don't
> want a roof higher than about 15" +/- above the door.
> It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.

If you roof with asphalt, that's about one square. Roof
material is heavy enough you'll have a bit of a truss, not
just 2x4s from ridge to wall, so that 15" sets the brace
position (or less, if you want headroom). Steel roofing
is self-supporting, but might cost more.

If you want it aesthetic, try to match other roofs nearby.
In case of snow, steeper is better; in case of tree-droppings,
steeper is better. My shed needs broom-and-hose treatment
each fall.

Hg

Hoosierpopi

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

12/09/2009 8:40 AM

"All my neighbors want one. =A0:-)"

In my case, it was built for my son-in-law's new home and a neighbor
complained to the Association because it (with "porch") exceeded the
maximum allowable size/footprint (not sure which as I got story second
hand) provided for in the rulles.

The association had to come and inspect it before voting on whether it
would have to be removed/rebuilt. They did, and then went back and
voted to grant him an exception because it was so well done!

Was we ever proud!

kk

krw

in reply to Hoosierpopi on 12/09/2009 8:40 AM

13/09/2009 3:59 PM

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:

>krw wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> krw wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>>>>>>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>>>>>>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>>>>>>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>>>>>>> finished it was completely paid for.
>>>>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>>>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>>>>>> these days.
>>>>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>>>>> size I'd build, in the first place.
>>>> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>>>>
>>>>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>>>> Size isn't the issue.
>>> Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
>>> country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
>>> same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
>>> shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
>>> anywhere near the city...
>>
>> What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
>> building while building a house.
>
>Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.

Is that why you were responding to my post?

>I'm sorry it was
>a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
>he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
>*we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
>time...

Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
organized.

kk

krw

in reply to Hoosierpopi on 12/09/2009 8:40 AM

13/09/2009 2:35 PM

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:55:27 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:45:40 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>krw wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>>>>>>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>>>>>>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>>>>>>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>>>>>>> finished it was completely paid for.
>>>>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>>>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>>>>> size I'd build, in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>>>>
>>>>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>>>>
>>>> Size isn't the issue.
>>>
>>>Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
>>>country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
>>>same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
>>>shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
>>>anywhere near the city...
>>
>>What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
>>building while building a house.
>
>Which CAN be done "out in the sticks" and can NOT be done in the city.

In W. Virginia, perhaps.

>He's on topic.

Perhaps, but it's hard to tell what he was on.

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to Hoosierpopi on 12/09/2009 8:40 AM

13/09/2009 4:09 PM

krw wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> krw wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>>>>>>>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>>>>>>>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>>>>>>>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>>>>>>>> finished it was completely paid for.
>>>>>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>>>>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>>>>>> size I'd build, in the first place.
>>>>> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>>>>> Size isn't the issue.
>>>> Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
>>>> country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
>>>> same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
>>>> shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
>>>> anywhere near the city...
>>> What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
>>> building while building a house.
>> Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.
>
> Is that why you were responding to my post?
>
>> I'm sorry it was
>> a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
>> he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
>> *we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
>> time...
>
> Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
> organized.


Hey buddy, here's a newsgroup for you...

rec.tool.douchebags



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Steve Turner

in reply to Hoosierpopi on 12/09/2009 8:40 AM

13/09/2009 8:53 PM

krw wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.
>
> Is that why you were responding to my post?

For crying out loud, do I have to explain every little thing to you? Go
back and read the thread if you can't figure it out. I'm talking about
the conversation *before* you jumped in, when we had already changed
from "shed" to "outbuilding" to "shop" (hint: we're all woodworkers
here, right? It's shops we really want to talk about, not sheds).
Apparently you didn't notice (even after we practically beat you over
the head with it), and you continued to insist that we were talking
about sheds in a residential neighborhood. This is Usenet, and
conversations *do* change direction occasionally; please try to keep up.

>> I'm sorry it was
>> a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
>> he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
>> *we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
>> time...
>
> Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
> organized.

WFT? Why did I twice bother to even *try* to be polite to you? You're
the only who couldn't seem to follow the conversation, but rather than
admit the whole thing wooshed over your head you're telling me to answer
other people's posts (not yours!) more clearly so that THEY can
understand? Yeah, I'll get right on that...

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FrozenNorth

in reply to Hoosierpopi on 12/09/2009 8:40 AM

13/09/2009 5:11 PM

-MIKE- wrote:
> krw wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> krw wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare
>>>>>>>>> essential utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for
>>>>>>>>> a while during periods of transition between when the old house
>>>>>>>>> was sold and the new one ready to take up residence. By the
>>>>>>>>> time the second house was finished it was completely paid for.
>>>>>>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>>>>>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to
>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't
>>>>>>> allow the size I'd build, in the first place.
>>>>>> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>>>>>> Size isn't the issue.
>>>>> Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
>>>>> country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along
>>>>> those same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a
>>>>> decent size shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably
>>>>> twice that big) anywhere near the city...
>>>> What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
>>>> building while building a house.
>>> Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.
>>
>> Is that why you were responding to my post?
>>
>>> I'm sorry it was a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary
>>> to chide me), but he and I have been frequenting some of the same
>>> groups for *years*, so *we* both knew what we were talking about.
>>> I'll try to be clearer next time...
>>
>> Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
>> organized.
>
>
> Hey buddy, here's a newsgroup for you...
>
> rec.tool.douchebags
>
ROV, Random Orbital Vibrators?

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Hg

Hoosierpopi

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

13/09/2009 12:54 PM

try taking up residence in one. =A0Not going to happen, these days.

For several years I rented a warehouse on Florida's East Coast. It had
a 10' wide overhead door and a 3' wide "man door" and came with a
toilet and sink.

I added a shower stall, kitchen sink, etc etc and lived in and worked
out of that space for years. It was very quiet at night - all the
workers went home!

I even rented part of it out for a while!

Now we have three homes and three tax bills - but no mortgages!

Not sure which would qualify as the "best of times."


kk

krw

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

12/09/2009 4:05 PM

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:31:54 -0500, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:

>-MIKE- wrote:
>> Steve Turner wrote:
>>> I've long wondered why none of these builders have ever thought to
>>> incorporate a good quality shed on a slab (with electricity) straight
>>> into the overall plan for the subdivision. Everybody needs a shed;
>>> wouldn't it be a good selling point to have a well-designed,
>>> top-quality, aesthetically pleasing shed for every house in the
>>> neighborhood?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know about them but if I ever build again, I'm starting with an
>> outbuilding, first, then the house.
>
>Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>finished it was completely paid for.

If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
these days.

AE

Andrew Erickson

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 10:59 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 09/10/2009 12:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs
> > for sheds? I've seen many a plan where the roof is way
> > above the door (it seems like wasted space to me) and
> > others where there is barely a sense of a pitch.
>
> I built my gable-end shed roof with a 10/12 pitch. This gave me storage
> room above the rafters, which is accessible via a small opening in the
> gable. I use the rafter area for storing long lumber and my spare set
> of car wheels.
>
> I think it boils down to whatever you like...as long as it's waterproof
> and strong enough to take any required loads (do you have snow?) you're
> golden.

Chris speaketh the truth in the last paragraph, I think. I'd just add
that it might make sense to take a gander at the roof of your house and
consider possibly doing something similar, or at the very least
harmonious. Not a hard and fast rule, of course, and maybe more a
question of roofing materials than pitch.

I do wish my shed (that I did not build) had more roof overhang than it
does. It would keep the siding material in better shape, and especially
help prevent water from getting into the padlock and causing grief
there. I also kind of wish there were a bit better ventilation;
something like a soffit vent or ridge vent or gable vent is a good idea
(screened, of course, to keep the critters on the correct side).

--
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"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot
lose." -- Jim Elliot

KN

Keith Nuttle

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 3:51 PM

whit3rd wrote:
> On Sep 10, 11:35 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> I want to build a shed with a low pitched roof. I don't
>> want a roof higher than about 15" +/- above the door.
>> It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.
>
> If you roof with asphalt, that's about one square. Roof
> material is heavy enough you'll have a bit of a truss, not
> just 2x4s from ridge to wall, so that 15" sets the brace
> position (or less, if you want headroom). Steel roofing
> is self-supporting, but might cost more.
>
> If you want it aesthetic, try to match other roofs nearby.
> In case of snow, steeper is better; in case of tree-droppings,
> steeper is better. My shed needs broom-and-hose treatment
> each fall.

My next shed will have a gambrel roof. This gives more space for the
small equipment and storage for other things.

The nice thing about the gambrel roof is it is easy to get into that
storage space.

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 5:28 PM

Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.
>
> 8x12 lets you use full 4x8 sheets which makes life easier.
>
> Lew
>

And for that matter, pitch the roof so it uses an even sheet or half
sheet.


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Keith Nuttle

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

11/09/2009 8:50 AM

Andrew Erickson wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 09/10/2009 12:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs
>>> for sheds? I've seen many a plan where the roof is way
>>> above the door (it seems like wasted space to me) and
>>> others where there is barely a sense of a pitch.
>> I built my gable-end shed roof with a 10/12 pitch. This gave me storage
>> room above the rafters, which is accessible via a small opening in the
>> gable. I use the rafter area for storing long lumber and my spare set
>> of car wheels.
>>
>> I think it boils down to whatever you like...as long as it's waterproof
>> and strong enough to take any required loads (do you have snow?) you're
>> golden.
>
> Chris speaketh the truth in the last paragraph, I think. I'd just add
> that it might make sense to take a gander at the roof of your house and
> consider possibly doing something similar, or at the very least
> harmonious. Not a hard and fast rule, of course, and maybe more a
> question of roofing materials than pitch.
>
> I do wish my shed (that I did not build) had more roof overhang than it
> does. It would keep the siding material in better shape, and especially
> help prevent water from getting into the padlock and causing grief
> there. I also kind of wish there were a bit better ventilation;
> something like a soffit vent or ridge vent or gable vent is a good idea
> (screened, of course, to keep the critters on the correct side).
>

Ever about every 4 to 6 month, I take the oil can to the shed and
liberally oil the padlock. I squirting the oil into the workings of the
lock, turning it over to insure the oil gets to everything in the lock.

The oil seems to prevent the water getting into the padlock working
messing it up.

KN

Keith Nuttle

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

11/09/2009 11:38 AM

Upscale wrote:
> "Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> The oil seems to prevent the water getting into the padlock working
>> messing it up.
>
> Wouldn't it be a little easier just to use a weather proof or weather
> resistant lock?
>
>
But you would not get the oil running out of the lock down the shed door.

Seriously; even the weather resistant/proof locks need a little help
after hanging on the shed door for several years.

ST

Steve Turner

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

11/09/2009 10:41 AM

Hoosierpopi wrote:
> "Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs "
>
> Short answer "Look around you!" See "what's common" in your area/
>
> Fellow with the idea of mimicking your house had a good suggestion. We
> did that with a shed once and copied the windows, shingles and even
> the same vinyl siding. From a distance, it looked like a part of the
> house itself.

I did the same with my shed. All my neighbors want one. :-)

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c

in reply to Steve Turner on 11/09/2009 10:41 AM

13/09/2009 1:55 PM

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:45:40 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>krw wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>>>>>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>>>>>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>>>>>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>>>>>> finished it was completely paid for.
>>>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>>>>> these days.
>>>>
>>>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>>>> size I'd build, in the first place.
>>>
>>> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>>>
>>>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>>>
>>> Size isn't the issue.
>>
>>Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
>>country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
>>same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
>>shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
>>anywhere near the city...
>
>What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
>building while building a house.

Which CAN be done "out in the sticks" and can NOT be done in the city.

He's on topic.

ST

Steve Turner

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

12/09/2009 12:15 PM

Hoosierpopi wrote:
> "All my neighbors want one. :-)"
>
> In my case, it was built for my son-in-law's new home and a neighbor
> complained to the Association because it (with "porch") exceeded the
> maximum allowable size/footprint (not sure which as I got story second
> hand) provided for in the rulles.

Gee, don't you just love having neighbors like that? Friggin' jackass.

> The association had to come and inspect it before voting on whether it
> would have to be removed/rebuilt. They did, and then went back and
> voted to grant him an exception because it was so well done!
>
> Was we ever proud!

I've long wondered why none of these builders have ever thought to incorporate a good
quality shed on a slab (with electricity) straight into the overall plan for the
subdivision. Everybody needs a shed; wouldn't it be a good selling point to have a
well-designed, top-quality, aesthetically pleasing shed for every house in the neighborhood?

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-MIKE-

in reply to Steve Turner on 12/09/2009 12:15 PM

13/09/2009 8:39 PM

krw wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:09:08 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> krw wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>>>>>>>>>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>>>>>>>>>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>>>>>>>>>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>>>>>>>>>> finished it was completely paid for.
>>>>>>>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>>>>>>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>>>>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>>>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>>>>>>>> size I'd build, in the first place.
>>>>>>> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>>>>>>> Size isn't the issue.
>>>>>> Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
>>>>>> country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
>>>>>> same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
>>>>>> shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
>>>>>> anywhere near the city...
>>>>> What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
>>>>> building while building a house.
>>>> Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.
>>> Is that why you were responding to my post?
>>>
>>>> I'm sorry it was
>>>> a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
>>>> he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
>>>> *we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
>>>> time...
>>> Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
>>> organized.
>>
>> Hey buddy, here's a newsgroup for you...
>>
>> rec.tool.douchebags
>
> Wow, such intelligence. Who wudda thought!

Pot, kettle.

You were being a douche, I called you on it. Big deal.


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kk

krw

in reply to Steve Turner on 12/09/2009 12:15 PM

13/09/2009 8:32 PM

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:09:08 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:

>krw wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> krw wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>>>>>>>>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>>>>>>>>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>>>>>>>>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>>>>>>>>> finished it was completely paid for.
>>>>>>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>>>>>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>>>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>>>>>>> size I'd build, in the first place.
>>>>>> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>>>>>> Size isn't the issue.
>>>>> Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
>>>>> country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
>>>>> same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
>>>>> shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
>>>>> anywhere near the city...
>>>> What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
>>>> building while building a house.
>>> Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.
>>
>> Is that why you were responding to my post?
>>
>>> I'm sorry it was
>>> a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
>>> he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
>>> *we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
>>> time...
>>
>> Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
>> organized.
>
>
>Hey buddy, here's a newsgroup for you...
>
>rec.tool.douchebags

Wow, such intelligence. Who wudda thought!

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

12/09/2009 12:37 PM

Steve Turner wrote:
> I've long wondered why none of these builders have ever thought to
> incorporate a good quality shed on a slab (with electricity) straight
> into the overall plan for the subdivision. Everybody needs a shed;
> wouldn't it be a good selling point to have a well-designed,
> top-quality, aesthetically pleasing shed for every house in the
> neighborhood?
>

I don't know about them but if I ever build again, I'm starting with an
outbuilding, first, then the house.



--

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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
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ST

Steve Turner

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

12/09/2009 2:31 PM

-MIKE- wrote:
> Steve Turner wrote:
>> I've long wondered why none of these builders have ever thought to
>> incorporate a good quality shed on a slab (with electricity) straight
>> into the overall plan for the subdivision. Everybody needs a shed;
>> wouldn't it be a good selling point to have a well-designed,
>> top-quality, aesthetically pleasing shed for every house in the
>> neighborhood?
>>
>
> I don't know about them but if I ever build again, I'm starting with an
> outbuilding, first, then the house.

Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
finished it was completely paid for.

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kk

krw

in reply to Steve Turner on 12/09/2009 2:31 PM

13/09/2009 10:14 PM

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:39:44 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:

>krw wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:09:08 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> krw wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>>>>>>>>>>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>>>>>>>>>>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>>>>>>>>>>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>>>>>>>>>>> finished it was completely paid for.
>>>>>>>>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>>>>>>>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>>>>>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>>>>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>>>>>>>>> size I'd build, in the first place.
>>>>>>>> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>>>>>>>> Size isn't the issue.
>>>>>>> Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
>>>>>>> country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
>>>>>>> same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
>>>>>>> shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
>>>>>>> anywhere near the city...
>>>>>> What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
>>>>>> building while building a house.
>>>>> Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.
>>>> Is that why you were responding to my post?
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry it was
>>>>> a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
>>>>> he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
>>>>> *we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
>>>>> time...
>>>> Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
>>>> organized.
>>>
>>> Hey buddy, here's a newsgroup for you...
>>>
>>> rec.tool.douchebags
>>
>> Wow, such intelligence. Who wudda thought!
>
>Pot, kettle.
>
>You were being a douche, I called you on it. Big deal.

With such intelligence that you're proud, too.

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

12/09/2009 4:14 PM

krw wrote:
>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>> finished it was completely paid for.
>
> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
> these days.


The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
size I'd build, in the first place.

We're talking 16x20, minimum.


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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
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Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

12/09/2009 7:34 PM

krw wrote:
>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>>> these days.
>>
>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>> size I'd build, in the first place.
>
> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>
>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>
> Size isn't the issue.


My point was that I would never get to find out if they took exception
to me living in it, since I would not be allowed to build it in the
first place.



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ST

Steve Turner

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

12/09/2009 10:06 PM

krw wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> krw wrote:
>>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>>>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>>>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>>>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>>>> finished it was completely paid for.
>>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>>> these days.
>>
>> The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>> size I'd build, in the first place.
>
> Most *cities* will take exception to it.
>
>> We're talking 16x20, minimum.
>
> Size isn't the issue.

Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
anywhere near the city...

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kk

krw

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

12/09/2009 4:43 PM

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:

>krw wrote:
>>> Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
>>> utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
>>> periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
>>> one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
>>> finished it was completely paid for.
>>
>> If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
>> little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
>> these days.
>
>
>The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
>size I'd build, in the first place.

Most *cities* will take exception to it.

>We're talking 16x20, minimum.

Size isn't the issue.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

29/10/2009 9:13 PM

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:37:55 -0500, the infamous -MIKE-
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>Steve Turner wrote:
>> I've long wondered why none of these builders have ever thought to
>> incorporate a good quality shed on a slab (with electricity) straight
>> into the overall plan for the subdivision. Everybody needs a shed;
>> wouldn't it be a good selling point to have a well-designed,
>> top-quality, aesthetically pleasing shed for every house in the
>> neighborhood?
>>
>
>I don't know about them but if I ever build again, I'm starting with an
>outbuilding, first, then the house.

That's how one of the wreck.metalheads did it. Harold had his 3-car
garage built (complete with metalshop space and HVAC) and he and his
wife moved into that. They've lived in it for years now, as they build
the main house.

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Nova

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

11/09/2009 5:11 PM

Keith Nuttle wrote:
> Andrew Erickson wrote:

<snip>

>> I do wish my shed (that I did not build) had more roof overhang than
>> it does. It would keep the siding material in better shape, and
>> especially help prevent water from getting into the padlock and
>> causing grief there. I also kind of wish there were a bit better
>> ventilation; something like a soffit vent or ridge vent or gable vent
>> is a good idea (screened, of course, to keep the critters on the
>> correct side).
>>
>
> Ever about every 4 to 6 month, I take the oil can to the shed and
> liberally oil the padlock. I squirting the oil into the workings of the
> lock, turning it over to insure the oil gets to everything in the lock.
>
> The oil seems to prevent the water getting into the padlock working
> messing it up.

Get a piece of scrap rubber (a piece of an old tire intertube will work)
and attach it to the door covering the padlock.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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c

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 11:23 PM

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:59:18 -0400, Andrew Erickson
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 09/10/2009 12:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs
>> > for sheds? I've seen many a plan where the roof is way
>> > above the door (it seems like wasted space to me) and
>> > others where there is barely a sense of a pitch.
>>
>> I built my gable-end shed roof with a 10/12 pitch. This gave me storage
>> room above the rafters, which is accessible via a small opening in the
>> gable. I use the rafter area for storing long lumber and my spare set
>> of car wheels.
>>
>> I think it boils down to whatever you like...as long as it's waterproof
>> and strong enough to take any required loads (do you have snow?) you're
>> golden.
>
>Chris speaketh the truth in the last paragraph, I think. I'd just add
>that it might make sense to take a gander at the roof of your house and
>consider possibly doing something similar, or at the very least
>harmonious. Not a hard and fast rule, of course, and maybe more a
>question of roofing materials than pitch.
>
>I do wish my shed (that I did not build) had more roof overhang than it
>does. It would keep the siding material in better shape, and especially
>help prevent water from getting into the padlock and causing grief
>there. I also kind of wish there were a bit better ventilation;
>something like a soffit vent or ridge vent or gable vent is a good idea
>(screened, of course, to keep the critters on the correct side).

My 10 X 10 has a 15 X 15 roof and a 10.5.5 -12? (40 degree? pitch
with vented soffit and a full length ridge vent. The roof rafters are
10 footers. I have about 4 1/2 feet of height at the center of the
"attic" and about 2 feet at the "knee wall" on the one side. The roof
is offset, with about 4 feet overhang on one side and one end, and
one foot on the other. Makes "dry" storage under the one end and a
"porch" over the door.

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "[email protected]" on 10/09/2009 11:35 AM

10/09/2009 3:39 PM


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:7fdd895b-a71d-42c9-8a31-e98b214c82c5@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>I am going to build a storage shed. I've got more
>
> What ever you spend a few dollars more and go with use radiant barrier
> decking, silver side down. It "will" keep the shed and its contents
> cooler in the summer.
>

Geeeez Translation,,

What ever you go with, spend a few extra dollars and go with radiant barrier
decking, silver side down.


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