On Apr 2, 6:14=A0pm, Swingman <k...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 4/2/2011 4:45 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > Hey.. I'm waiting for some laminate from Temple TX..for real...lol
> > At least I'm not waiting for anything out of Quebec.
>
> ROTFL ... Go Farking Figure!
>
> Hell, I could drive to Temple, get the laminate, and be back for lunch! :=
)
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
This is the stuff I'm waiting for:
http://www.wilsonartcontract.com/Laminate/AEON/outperforming.aspx
I'm using it to make some panels to line an elevator. The previous
owner had the work performed by someone who didn't know his ass from
his elbow when it came to laminate. No backer sheet on the panels and
on cheap plywood to boot=97just not done.
Anyway, a job for an architect friend, he throws me work. You know the
politics.
Seems that nobody hears me when I say: "RETIRED!!!" WTF is wrong with
people? Yes, I'm working every day...but on a job for ME!
So these elevator panels HAD to be the no-scuff stuff... Wilsonart
Canada was out of stock, so we wait till they have a truckload to
bring up.... and that ain't happenin' till after they run that colour
again. Bitch, bitch, bitch.
Off to see some friends, Ang has her bottle of merlot to pass around,
I'm sticking to Erdinger Weiss.
"Swingman" <kac@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> For those taking notes, here's the "end of mission" for wall removal and
> cabinet installation:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionWallRemoval?authkey=Gv1sRgCODv4OKAraChgQE#
>
> And here's the fabrication and trim out of the kitchen/cabinets in
> progress the past few days (last six or eight photos):
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCIaJgYOqgKvOVw#
>
> Due to manufacturing delays in delivery/importation of the back splash
> laminate from Canada, that installation is being delayed for another week
> or so, but, ITMT, the kitchen is indeed usable despite cleanup, final
> installation of hardware, and the ongoing odd plumbing and electrical trim
> out.
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Marvelous! (And thanks for the slide show.)
Max
"Swingman" <kac@nospam.com> wrote
>
> Due to manufacturing delays in delivery/importation of the back splash
> laminate from Canada, that installation is being delayed for another week
> or so, but, ITMT, the kitchen is indeed usable despite cleanup, final
> installation of hardware, and the ongoing odd plumbing and electrical trim
> out.
>
> --
Looks good! I am sure they are happy to have their new kitchen.
I am a sucker for a butcher block counter top. I love those things. I knew
this guy who used to sell me "seconds" for a good price and I used them for
desktops. That big, bad ass stove with the butcher block counter next to it
is a winning combination.
As usual, good work Karl.
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 12:49:46 -0500, Swingman <kac@nospam.com> wrote:
>On 4/3/2011 12:33 PM, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Thanks! I will have a good look (and steal what I need to). ;-)
>
>Go for it ... <g>
;-)
>> You mentioned that you left 1/8" reveal between drawers and doors, but were
>> adjusting this (IIRC). How? What do you do at the cabinet ends? Offset that
>> side to the edge of the cabinet? I guess I'll see when I look at the Sketchup
>> files. ;-)
>Those cabinets with exposed end panels and/or bottoms, and with nothing
>adjacent or below, the doors/drawer fronts are usually left flush with
>that exposed end and/or bottom.
>
>Nothing hard or fast though, just a personal preference of the
>designer/client.
I was thinking about vertical dividers between drawers, but I see that you
don't use them (rather independent boxes).
>> Again, thank you!
>
> You're welcome ...
I've learned quite a bit about Sketchup playing with your design. I was kinda
stuck with a way of doing things but didn't explore deeper. I see that you
don't put the dados in the design and even have some panels sized wrong (exact
fit with no dados). How do you do the layout?
"Robatoy" <counterfitter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 1, 7:28 pm, Swingman <k...@nospam.com> wrote:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionW...
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Getting a lot done in a short time.
I can't wait to see the finished result.
Neither can we! ;~)
"Rich" <rich@spamalot.com> wrote in message
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> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionWallRemoval?authkey=Gv1sRgCODv4OKAraChgQE#
>>
>>
>>
> Nice job. Whats the box on the kitchen ceiling and will the broom closet
> get
> painted?
The box on the ceiling is actually in the ceiling, it is a lighting recess.
The broom closet will also be painted the same color, it was fabricated
today, several weeks after all the other cabinets. The others were painted
all at once last week. The broom closet exact size was not predetermined
until we knew exactly how it was going to fit in the left over space.
"Robatoy" <counterfitter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Seems that nobody hears me when I say: "RETIRED!!!" WTF is wrong with
> people? Yes, I'm working every day...but on a job for ME!
Hey, you old semi-retired fart. If you're not fully retired, then that's
your fault. Shouldn't you have been grooming an up and coming apprentice all
these years to take over for you when you're ready to give up the reins?
Instead, you sold the business off lock, stock and barrel and then realized
somewhere along the line that you'd actually been having fun all these
years, so you've acceeded to the continued cries for your expertise.
Like I said, it's all your fault. We should all suffer from similar demands
on our time.
On 4/4/2011 7:56 PM, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
> I've learned quite a bit about Sketchup playing with your design. I was kinda
> stuck with a way of doing things but didn't explore deeper. I see that you
> don't put the dados in the design and even have some panels sized wrong (exact
> fit with no dados). How do you do the layout?
As mentioned, that model was for design purposes and I don't get carried
away with all the joinery details. ;)
I use my own "dynamic" cabinet models for the style of cabinet to
populate the model for the project. These are easily sized in width,
depth and height to fit the cabinets to the design model and it's just
too fussy, and unnecessary, to put in "dynamic" dados in those models
... besides, I know where they go.
The only problem with this method is that making cabinet changes with
dynamic components means you have to make all of the components
"unique"on the changed cabinet ... other wise you get some interesting
changes in other cabinets. <g>
When I started using SU there were no dynamic cabinets available and you
had to roll your own. Now that quite a few folks have gotten into SU,
there are quite a few dynamic cabinet models available that can save you
a bunch of time populating a space with cabinets for design purposes.
Before building the kitchen, I do model the final version of the
individual cabinets in their own files, and either use the CutList
plugin and/or enter the component sizes in CutList Plus by hand as a
double check.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 4/2/2011 5:05 PM, Han wrote:
> Swingman<kac@nospam.com> wrote in news:v-
> 2dnRgw062bAArQnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 4/2/2011 4:03 PM, Han wrote:
>>
>>> Fantastic!! I love the look of the kitchen. As you said, it's not your
>>> kitchen, and certainly it isn't ours, but it looksa great.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you, Han!
>>
> One question, if I may, Karl.
> I am looking for LED strip lighting to put over my kitchen counter, under
> the upper cabinets. I haven't found anything that puts out enough light
> and is affordable for a retiree<grin>. What exactly did you use for that
> great and funky under-peninsula lighting?
LED technology is getting better, and MUCH brighter, literally on a
monthly basis.
Under-peninsula lighting in question is strip LED which can be cut to
fit. I will get you the exact make and model on Monday when I get back
to the site.
All over-cabinet is T5 fluorescent for the light color and temp value (I
prefer the LED, but not my call, as the color blind contractor who
colored his coloring book grass pink until he learned to read the crayons)
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 4/2/2011 4:45 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> I have NO idea how the numbers fell on this gig, and it isn't any of
> my business. I do hope there is some coin left after all the hours,
> overhead, profit margins, material costs, labour and design
> time<<<(there's a biggie), etc.
Not too worry. Suffice to say, part of a roughly $250k remodel, with the
kitchen a separate contract; and remodels I don't undertake unless a
full blown kitchen renovation is involved. Without a kitchen, remodel
margins are simply not worth the effort and aggravation for my
particular temperament ... with emphasis on the aggravation part (and
circumstances prove that to be true once more, and will undoubtedly do
so again).
> Fabulous work, you guys.
Thanks, from both Leon and I, Rob.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Rich" <rich@spamalot.com> wrote in message
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> Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> "Rich" <rich@spamalot.com> wrote in message
>> news:ikk9e4$o90$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionWallRemoval?authkey=Gv1sRgCODv4OKAraChgQE#
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Nice job. Whats the box on the kitchen ceiling and will the broom closet
>>> get
>>> painted?
>>
>> The box on the ceiling is actually in the ceiling, it is a lighting
>> recess. The broom closet will also be painted the same color, it was
>> fabricated
>> today, several weeks after all the other cabinets. The others were
>> painted
>> all at once last week. The broom closet exact size was not predetermined
>> until we knew exactly how it was going to fit in the left over space.
>
> Now that I look at it more closely I see it is recessed. I hope its not a
> florescent fixture! What type of lighting? I've been taking them out and
> adding can lighting or trimming them with crown molding and using rope
> lighting inside the crown. Kind of a neat look.
I am not sure what is going to be put up there, it seems that the decision
changes often.
On 4/4/2011 7:56 PM, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
> I was thinking about vertical dividers between drawers, but I see that you
> don't use them (rather independent boxes).
Not a big fan of "built-in" kitchen cabinets ... potential for too many
future problems when walls move, and they always do.
It's disgusting as hell to walk into a relatively new multimillion
dollar home when the original owners sell it a few years later, one in
which the kitchen was was ooohed and ahhhed over when it was new, and
find that doors and drawers don't fit and it looks like shit ... a very
common occurrence.
That's not to say that properly built-in kitchen cabinets can't stand
the test of time ... just that the skill to do them properly is almost
non-existent in the construction business these days.
Generally speaking, shop built cabinets, if built square, stay square
... meaning doors will fit and drawers will shut long after the house is
past its prime.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
For those taking notes, here's the "end of mission" for wall removal and
cabinet installation:
https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionWallRemoval?authkey=Gv1sRgCODv4OKAraChgQE#
And here's the fabrication and trim out of the kitchen/cabinets in
progress the past few days (last six or eight photos):
http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCIaJgYOqgKvOVw#
Due to manufacturing delays in delivery/importation of the back splash
laminate from Canada, that installation is being delayed for another
week or so, but, ITMT, the kitchen is indeed usable despite cleanup,
final installation of hardware, and the ongoing odd plumbing and
electrical trim out.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Leon" wrote
> The broom closet exact size was not predetermined until we knew exactly
> how it was going to fit in the left over space.
That type of situation is interesting, isn't it?
The student-built house project's cabinets were built before the hole was
even dug for the house. We had a set of blueprints, but we were going to
change some of the dimensions a little. Problem was there were no plans
that were drawn with all of the exact changes when the cabinets were built.
Besides that, everyone knows that plans are guidelines, and the houses built
from them never come out exactly to plan.
When I framed the kitchen, and located the window, I had to make sure I
built the house to fit the cabinets. Just a little backwards from normal!
Oh, it came out on the money. No filler strips or cutting down cabinets
needed! <whew!>
-- Jim in NC
Swingman <kac@nospam.com> wrote in
news:UNednS6dmpqzxQrQnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> For those taking notes, here's the "end of mission" for wall removal
> and cabinet installation:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionWal
> lRemoval?authkey=Gv1sRgCODv4OKAraChgQE#
>
>
> And here's the fabrication and trim out of the kitchen/cabinets in
> progress the past few days (last six or eight photos):
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPictures?a
> uthkey=Gv1sRgCIaJgYOqgKvOVw#
>
>
> Due to manufacturing delays in delivery/importation of the back splash
> laminate from Canada, that installation is being delayed for another
> week or so, but, ITMT, the kitchen is indeed usable despite cleanup,
> final installation of hardware, and the ongoing odd plumbing and
> electrical trim out.
Fantastic!! I love the look of the kitchen. As you said, it's not your
kitchen, and certainly it isn't ours, but it looksa great.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Swingman <kac@nospam.com> wrote in news:v-
2dnRgw062bAArQnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@giganews.com:
> On 4/2/2011 4:03 PM, Han wrote:
>
>> Fantastic!! I love the look of the kitchen. As you said, it's not your
>> kitchen, and certainly it isn't ours, but it looksa great.
>>
>
> Thank you, Han!
>
One question, if I may, Karl.
I am looking for LED strip lighting to put over my kitchen counter, under
the upper cabinets. I haven't found anything that puts out enough light
and is affordable for a retiree <grin>. What exactly did you use for that
great and funky under-peninsula lighting?
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Swingman <kac@nospam.com> wrote in
news:NIudnf0zsLzIPwrQnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@giganews.com:
> LED technology is getting better, and MUCH brighter, literally on a
> monthly basis.
>
> Under-peninsula lighting in question is strip LED which can be cut to
> fit. I will get you the exact make and model on Monday when I get back
> to the site.
>
> All over-cabinet is T5 fluorescent for the light color and temp value
> (I prefer the LED, but not my call, as the color blind contractor who
> colored his coloring book grass pink until he learned to read the
> crayons)
Thanks, Karl! I know about colour blindness from relatives through
marriage - not good for electricians ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Larry Jaques <ljaques@invalid.diversify.com> wrote in
news:rmifp6d5i8u00flj131emqo521vdks0fu7@4ax.com:
> These are comparatively cheap at $25 a pop, and it looks like they use
> the old, discrete LEDs instead of the high-intensity Luxeon bulbs.
> http://goo.gl/SLaUy
>
> Under $20, chainable. http://goo.gl/t6myp
>
> Google is your friend, Han.
Thanks, Larry.
In this case, Google isn't really my friend because I find it very
difficult to estimate from the descriptions the dimensions, light output,
ability to daisy chain and connect/switch them gadgets.
But those links give me some guidance to go to Lowe's or HD and look at the
things.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On 4/3/2011 12:33 PM, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
> Thanks! I will have a good look (and steal what I need to). ;-)
Go for it ... <g>
> You mentioned that you left 1/8" reveal between drawers and doors, but were
> adjusting this (IIRC). How? What do you do at the cabinet ends? Offset that
> side to the edge of the cabinet? I guess I'll see when I look at the Sketchup
> files. ;-)
Those cabinets with exposed end panels and/or bottoms, and with nothing
adjacent or below, the doors/drawer fronts are usually left flush with
that exposed end and/or bottom.
Nothing hard or fast though, just a personal preference of the
designer/client.
> Again, thank you!
You're welcome ...
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:58:20 -0500, Swingman <kac@nospam.com> wrote:
>On 4/2/2011 3:14 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCIaJgYOqgKvOVw#
>>
>> In photo 24, do you waterproof the area that bucket inhabits?
>
>Laminate ... I'll shoot a picture next week.
Bueno.
>> Photo 61: are those rollout drawers in that stack? Hole in countertop
>> for veggie scraps, or what?
>
>? According to my count, 61 is a stack of wall cabinet shelves.
I call rollout shelves "drawers", if that's what they are.
>> Photo 65:
>> Something I've always wondered is why the walls and ceilings aren't
>> primed and painted before the cabinets go in. Access is there, touchup
>> is easy after painting, and the risk to the cabinetry is zero, vs 100%
>> after installation.
>
>It is quicker/more efficient to wrap the cabinets to prime and paint the
>walls than to schedule/reschedule painters; no sense in putting paint
>where not necessary; as a rule, I want to see painters as few times as
>possible. :)
It just seems so wrong to me. <shrug> I'd go the extra $50 in paint
in my kitchen and do it myself, jus'cuz.
>> Photo 72: Is that 1/4" ply protecting the flooring there?
>
>$20k of cork flooring; layer of 6 mil poly (taped); layer of card board
>(butt taped); layer of 1/4 sanded pine plywood (butt taped); overkill,
>but, after all, it is the death penalty for any sub who farks with it ...
Holy Chit, Batman!
>> Photo 85: Ooh, a stove to LIVE for! I sure miss gas cookin'.
>
>6 burner, Capital Precision 48" ... and does that thing put out the btu's.
In two, distinct rings of flame per burner. <drool>
Are those extra (thermostatic?) controls for the oven and broiler?
My old DeVille stove (ca '40s) had a separate broiler with adjustable
height, a thermostatically controlled burner, and a stainless griddle.
http://www.classicalgasstoves.com/okeefe_merritt_deville.htm
with glass shelf in down position. I think I'd like the Capital
Precision stove better, but it likely cost more than the $35 I gave
for the old O'Keefe.
>> Photo 86: How is the butcher block sealed to the sink counter?
>
>There is t-shaped plastic strip that fits the 1/16" gap on either side.
>The BB needs to be removable for future replacement/maintenance.
I've been looking for those. Silicone or plastic?
>> Photo 88: Lighted flooring?
>
>LED strips under the peninsula/bar cabinet.
It begs the question "WHY?" Oh, to show off the cork floor?
> > Comin' right along there. The finished stack in temp storage grew by
>> leaps and bounds, then dropped dramatically. Lookin' good, mon!
>
>Merci ...
Can't wait for next week's episode when you realize that you lost
$12,672.31 on it. (sorry, de Debil made me do it)
--
Not merely an absence of noise, Real Silence begins
when a reasonable being withdraws from the noise in
order to find peace and order in his inner sanctuary.
-- Peter Minard
On Apr 2, 1:09=A0pm, Swingman <k...@nospam.com> wrote:
> For those taking notes, here's the "end of mission" for wall removal and
> cabinet installation:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionW...
>
> And here's the fabrication and trim out of the kitchen/cabinets in
> progress the past few days (last six or eight photos):
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPictures...
>
> Due to manufacturing delays in delivery/importation of the back splash
> laminate from Canada, that installation is being delayed for another
> week or so, but, ITMT, the kitchen is indeed usable despite cleanup,
> final installation of hardware, and the ongoing odd plumbing and
> electrical trim out.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Hey.. I'm waiting for some laminate from Temple TX..for real...lol
At least I'm not waiting for anything out of Quebec.
When all done, do a study on T & M and margins hoped for... then next
time add $ 20,000.
That quality of kitchen puts it in the premium range and should fetch
a premium.... above the normal returns.
I am sure you are aware that the client must be made to understand
that while you're working on his/her project, you're not maxing out
earning potential on another gig.
You just can't keep playing for scale when you're on the charts.
IYKWIM. <G>
Simple. You sell that $50K kitchen for $65K next time.
I have NO idea how the numbers fell on this gig, and it isn't any of
my business. I do hope there is some coin left after all the hours,
overhead, profit margins, material costs, labour and design
time<<<(there's a biggie), etc.
Fabulous work, you guys.
On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:09:06 -0500, Swingman <kac@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>For those taking notes, here's the "end of mission" for wall removal and
>cabinet installation:
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionWallRemoval?authkey=Gv1sRgCODv4OKAraChgQE#
>
>
>And here's the fabrication and trim out of the kitchen/cabinets in
>progress the past few days (last six or eight photos):
>
>http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCIaJgYOqgKvOVw#
In photo 24, do you waterproof the area that bucket inhabits?
Photo 61: are those rollout drawers in that stack? Hole in countertop
for veggie scraps, or what?
Photo 65:
Something I've always wondered is why the walls and ceilings aren't
primed and painted before the cabinets go in. Access is there, touchup
is easy after painting, and the risk to the cabinetry is zero, vs 100%
after installation.
Photo 72: Is that 1/4" ply protecting the flooring there?
Photo 85: Ooh, a stove to LIVE for! I sure miss gas cookin'.
Photo 86: How is the butcher block sealed to the sink counter?
Photo 88: Lighted flooring?
Comin' right along there. The finished stack in temp storage grew by
leaps and bounds, then dropped dramatically. Lookin' good, mon!
>Due to manufacturing delays in delivery/importation of the back splash
>laminate from Canada, that installation is being delayed for another
>week or so, but, ITMT, the kitchen is indeed usable despite cleanup,
>final installation of hardware, and the ongoing odd plumbing and
>electrical trim out.
What is that, a $60k kitchen upgrade?
--
Not merely an absence of noise, Real Silence begins
when a reasonable being withdraws from the noise in
order to find peace and order in his inner sanctuary.
-- Peter Minard
Swingman wrote:
>
>
https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionWallRemoval?authkey=Gv1sRgCODv4OKAraChgQE#
>
>
>
Nice job. Whats the box on the kitchen ceiling and will the broom closet get
painted?
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
http://rentmyhusband.biz/
Leon wrote:
>
> "Rich" <rich@spamalot.com> wrote in message
> news:ikk9e4$o90$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Swingman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionWallRemoval?authkey=Gv1sRgCODv4OKAraChgQE#
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Nice job. Whats the box on the kitchen ceiling and will the broom closet
>> get
>> painted?
>
> The box on the ceiling is actually in the ceiling, it is a lighting
> recess. The broom closet will also be painted the same color, it was
> fabricated
> today, several weeks after all the other cabinets. The others were
> painted
> all at once last week. The broom closet exact size was not predetermined
> until we knew exactly how it was going to fit in the left over space.
Now that I look at it more closely I see it is recessed. I hope its not a
florescent fixture! What type of lighting? I've been taking them out and
adding can lighting or trimming them with crown molding and using rope
lighting inside the crown. Kind of a neat look.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Man. 2010.1 Spring
KDE4.4
2.6.33.5-desktop-2mnb
Swingman wrote:
> On 3/1/2011 8:18 PM, Rich wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionWallRemoval?authkey=Gv1sRgCODv4OKAraChgQE#
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Nice job. Whats the box on the kitchen ceiling and will the broom closet
>> get painted?
>
> The ceiling "box" is for cove lighting ...and yes, the broom closet will
> be painted.
>
> All these cabinets have a primer coat put on before installation, but
> since this one was built-in, it missed that particular procedure. I've
> got the painters busy on the bath vanity cabinets, but will focus them
> on the installed kitchen cabinets very soon ... the cabinet finish will
> be a "make or break" issue since a high dollar "designer" is involved
> (boils down to nothing more than 'lines on paper', which must be
> ultimately be implemented by those who know WTF they are doing!).
>
> The real finish will be applied later this week, early next, after all
> the drywall finish work is applied and we can get out of the paint
> contractor's way.
>
Good luck with the high end designer. They are either really really good or
they suck!
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but you can't make them THINK"
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On 3/1/11 6:28 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionWallRemoval?authkey=Gv1sRgCODv4OKAraChgQE#
>
Looking great, as expected.
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On 4/2/11 12:09 PM, Swingman wrote:
> And here's the fabrication and trim out of the kitchen/cabinets in
> progress the past few days (last six or eight photos):
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCIaJgYOqgKvOVw#
>
Brilliant! I'm inspired by the look. Sooner or later, I'll be building
new cabinets for our kitchen and I've been considering the "euro-look"
of these that you built.
I like the look in which the doors are the only exposed surface. I'm
assuming your face frames are no wider than the thickness of the box
panels.. is that true? Or am I seeing solid panel construction of the
whole box?
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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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On 4/2/2011 3:14 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCIaJgYOqgKvOVw#
>
> In photo 24, do you waterproof the area that bucket inhabits?
Laminate ... I'll shoot a picture next week.
> Photo 61: are those rollout drawers in that stack? Hole in countertop
> for veggie scraps, or what?
? According to my count, 61 is a stack of wall cabinet shelves.
> Photo 65:
> Something I've always wondered is why the walls and ceilings aren't
> primed and painted before the cabinets go in. Access is there, touchup
> is easy after painting, and the risk to the cabinetry is zero, vs 100%
> after installation.
It is quicker/more efficient to wrap the cabinets to prime and paint the
walls than to schedule/reschedule painters; no sense in putting paint
where not necessary; as a rule, I want to see painters as few times as
possible. :)
> Photo 72: Is that 1/4" ply protecting the flooring there?
$20k of cork flooring; layer of 6 mil poly (taped); layer of card board
(butt taped); layer of 1/4 sanded pine plywood (butt taped); overkill,
but, after all, it is the death penalty for any sub who farks with it ...
> Photo 85: Ooh, a stove to LIVE for! I sure miss gas cookin'.
6 burner, Capital Precision 48" ... and does that thing put out the btu's.
> Photo 86: How is the butcher block sealed to the sink counter?
There is t-shaped plastic strip that fits the 1/16" gap on either side.
The BB needs to be removable for future replacement/maintenance.
> Photo 88: Lighted flooring?
LED strips under the peninsula/bar cabinet.
> Comin' right along there. The finished stack in temp storage grew by
> leaps and bounds, then dropped dramatically. Lookin' good, mon!
Merci ...
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On 4/2/2011 4:45 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> Hey.. I'm waiting for some laminate from Temple TX..for real...lol
> At least I'm not waiting for anything out of Quebec.
ROTFL ... Go Farking Figure!
Hell, I could drive to Temple, get the laminate, and be back for lunch! :)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 3/1/2011 8:18 PM, Rich wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenDemolitionWallRemoval?authkey=Gv1sRgCODv4OKAraChgQE#
>>
>>
>>
> Nice job. Whats the box on the kitchen ceiling and will the broom closet get
> painted?
The ceiling "box" is for cove lighting ...and yes, the broom closet will
be painted.
All these cabinets have a primer coat put on before installation, but
since this one was built-in, it missed that particular procedure. I've
got the painters busy on the bath vanity cabinets, but will focus them
on the installed kitchen cabinets very soon ... the cabinet finish will
be a "make or break" issue since a high dollar "designer" is involved
(boils down to nothing more than 'lines on paper', which must be
ultimately be implemented by those who know WTF they are doing!).
The real finish will be applied later this week, early next, after all
the drywall finish work is applied and we can get out of the paint
contractor's way.
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:32:49 -0500, Swingman <kac@nospam.com> wrote:
>On 4/2/2011 5:33 PM, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Very nice work indeed. I, for one, would like to see your cabinet design. Is
>> it importable somewhere?
>
>Made it easy for you ... below is a Google 3D Warehouse link to an
>actual working model, specifically for design approval, of the subject
>kitchen during the design phase, in toto.
Thanks! I will have a good look (and steal what I need to). ;-)
>CAVEAT: Not necessarily the individual cabinet components "as built",
>but close enough, although some are embedded and due to component
>straits may not export gracefully individually, but you should be able
>to get an idea.
You mentioned that you left 1/8" reveal between drawers and doors, but were
adjusting this (IIRC). How? What do you do at the cabinet ends? Offset that
side to the edge of the cabinet? I guess I'll see when I look at the Sketchup
files. ;-)
>If you have any problems downloading, let me know.
>
>http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=3fad0f748edc9dcb2c2cd006d206129&result=4
Again, thank you!
On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:36:54 -0500, Swingman <kac@nospam.com> wrote:
>On 4/2/2011 12:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 4/2/11 12:09 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> And here's the fabrication and trim out of the kitchen/cabinets in
>>> progress the past few days (last six or eight photos):
>>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCIaJgYOqgKvOVw#
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Brilliant! I'm inspired by the look. Sooner or later, I'll be building
>> new cabinets for our kitchen and I've been considering the "euro-look"
>> of these that you built.
>>
>> I like the look in which the doors are the only exposed surface. I'm
>> assuming your face frames are no wider than the thickness of the box
>> panels.. is that true? Or am I seeing solid panel construction of the
>> whole box?
>
>Thanks, Mike!
>
>Mostly true "Euro" ... no face frames. (we shot for a design spec
>imposed 1/8" reveal between doors and drawer fronts, and some of the
>necessary faux doors and drawer fronts, and still have some tweaking
>here and there to do on that score)
>
>We are by no means set up to do what is considered "proper" 35mm cabinet
>production, but that doesn't mean you can't get the job done
>effectively, and in many cases with much stronger results, by building
>the boxes using face frame mentality/techniques, simply without the face
>frame.
>
>Besides, neither Leon nor I are one's to sidestep a challenge. ;)
>
>"Euro" boxes, done to my taste (not just butt joining a plywood box
>together) is a lot more labor intensive than face frame construction to
>get it done correctly and have things, particularly doors and drawer
>fronts, done with a inflexible design spec "reveal", work out AND stand
>the test of time ... but for those who like this style, it is worth the
>expense.
>
>One of those little tedious details is that is probably not a single
>door or door front with the same dimensions.
>
>I have gained a grudging like for the look myself, especially
>considering that many of our face frame projects have a sameness that
>gets old to my eye ... except for the wood and finish, it gets hard to
>tell one kitchen from the next.
>
>(Of course most of them go into houses I build, with very limited floor
>plan selection)
>
>The centerpiece of this project is that suspended bar/peninsula, and one
>of the reasons I took up the challenge ... it is unique and not often
>effected.
>
>I do think there are a lot impractical elements to this particular
>kitchen, but it is done EXACTLY to the owner's likes taste, what they
>want, and that is the ONLY thing that matters in the long run.
>
>Mantra: It is NOT my kitchen, it is not my kitchen, it is not my .... <g>
>
>One other thing ... and IMNSHO, it takes two accomplished cabinet makers
>to make this particular type of kitchen happen in a timely and efficient
>manner ... one person can do it, but it would eat up any profit in a
>heartbeat.
>
>Mike ... I have a complete Sketchup of file of each and every cabinet
>that went into this project ... should you have the need to get an idea
>of the construction methods used, you are most welcome to copies of same.
Very nice work indeed. I, for one, would like to see your cabinet design. Is
it importable somewhere?
On 02 Apr 2011 22:05:14 GMT, Han <nobody@nospam.not> wrote:
>Swingman <kac@nospam.com> wrote in news:v-
>2dnRgw062bAArQnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 4/2/2011 4:03 PM, Han wrote:
>>
>>> Fantastic!! I love the look of the kitchen. As you said, it's not your
>>> kitchen, and certainly it isn't ours, but it looksa great.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you, Han!
>>
>One question, if I may, Karl.
>I am looking for LED strip lighting to put over my kitchen counter, under
>the upper cabinets. I haven't found anything that puts out enough light
>and is affordable for a retiree <grin>. What exactly did you use for that
>great and funky under-peninsula lighting?
These are comparatively cheap at $25 a pop, and it looks like they use
the old, discrete LEDs instead of the high-intensity Luxeon bulbs.
http://goo.gl/SLaUy
Under $20, chainable. http://goo.gl/t6myp
Google is your friend, Han.
--
Not merely an absence of noise, Real Silence begins
when a reasonable being withdraws from the noise in
order to find peace and order in his inner sanctuary.
-- Peter Minard
On 4/2/2011 3:18 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Swingman" <kac@nospam.com> wrote
>>
>> Due to manufacturing delays in delivery/importation of the back splash
>> laminate from Canada, that installation is being delayed for another
>> week or so, but, ITMT, the kitchen is indeed usable despite cleanup,
>> final installation of hardware, and the ongoing odd plumbing and
>> electrical trim out.
>>
>> --
> Looks good! I am sure they are happy to have their new kitchen.
>
> I am a sucker for a butcher block counter top. I love those things. I
> knew this guy who used to sell me "seconds" for a good price and I used
> them for desktops. That big, bad ass stove with the butcher block
> counter next to it is a winning combination.
John Boos makes some the best BB's around, at about $700/pop. Although,
at the client's request, I had to shave off their (burned in) logo.
> As usual, good work Karl.
Thanks, Lee ... Leon shares equal billing, as usual.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 4/2/2011 5:33 PM, krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
> Very nice work indeed. I, for one, would like to see your cabinet design. Is
> it importable somewhere?
Made it easy for you ... below is a Google 3D Warehouse link to an
actual working model, specifically for design approval, of the subject
kitchen during the design phase, in toto.
CAVEAT: Not necessarily the individual cabinet components "as built",
but close enough, although some are embedded and due to component
straits may not export gracefully individually, but you should be able
to get an idea.
If you have any problems downloading, let me know.
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=3fad0f748edc9dcb2c2cd006d206129&result=4
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 4/2/2011 12:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 4/2/11 12:09 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> And here's the fabrication and trim out of the kitchen/cabinets in
>> progress the past few days (last six or eight photos):
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/DurretteKitchenShopPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCIaJgYOqgKvOVw#
>>
>>
>
> Brilliant! I'm inspired by the look. Sooner or later, I'll be building
> new cabinets for our kitchen and I've been considering the "euro-look"
> of these that you built.
>
> I like the look in which the doors are the only exposed surface. I'm
> assuming your face frames are no wider than the thickness of the box
> panels.. is that true? Or am I seeing solid panel construction of the
> whole box?
Thanks, Mike!
Mostly true "Euro" ... no face frames. (we shot for a design spec
imposed 1/8" reveal between doors and drawer fronts, and some of the
necessary faux doors and drawer fronts, and still have some tweaking
here and there to do on that score)
We are by no means set up to do what is considered "proper" 35mm cabinet
production, but that doesn't mean you can't get the job done
effectively, and in many cases with much stronger results, by building
the boxes using face frame mentality/techniques, simply without the face
frame.
Besides, neither Leon nor I are one's to sidestep a challenge. ;)
"Euro" boxes, done to my taste (not just butt joining a plywood box
together) is a lot more labor intensive than face frame construction to
get it done correctly and have things, particularly doors and drawer
fronts, done with a inflexible design spec "reveal", work out AND stand
the test of time ... but for those who like this style, it is worth the
expense.
One of those little tedious details is that is probably not a single
door or door front with the same dimensions.
I have gained a grudging like for the look myself, especially
considering that many of our face frame projects have a sameness that
gets old to my eye ... except for the wood and finish, it gets hard to
tell one kitchen from the next.
(Of course most of them go into houses I build, with very limited floor
plan selection)
The centerpiece of this project is that suspended bar/peninsula, and one
of the reasons I took up the challenge ... it is unique and not often
effected.
I do think there are a lot impractical elements to this particular
kitchen, but it is done EXACTLY to the owner's likes taste, what they
want, and that is the ONLY thing that matters in the long run.
Mantra: It is NOT my kitchen, it is not my kitchen, it is not my .... <g>
One other thing ... and IMNSHO, it takes two accomplished cabinet makers
to make this particular type of kitchen happen in a timely and efficient
manner ... one person can do it, but it would eat up any profit in a
heartbeat.
Mike ... I have a complete Sketchup of file of each and every cabinet
that went into this project ... should you have the need to get an idea
of the construction methods used, you are most welcome to copies of same.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)