Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to keep your shop floor
> clean? Just wondering if it works...
>
We have been running a roomba in our home 5 days a week for the last 9
years. It will work in your shop after you sweep. It's capacity is about
that of two packs of cigarettes.
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 11:46:31 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 8/5/17 11:43 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 8/5/17 10:58 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust
>>>>> that escapes my air filter
>>>>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that
>>>>> I miss with the broom.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
>>>> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
>>> randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
>>> object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
>>>
>>> In any case given their limitations on larger debris, I would think
>>> the OP would be better off just making a fast pass with a floor vacuum
>>> tool attached to a shop vac or dust collection system. By the time
>>> he's picked up all the little bits, he's near done anyway. At a
>>> couple hundred for a Roomba, he can buy some nice hardwoods or another
>>> tool. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Maybe they have improved their "brains" since we had one.
>> But our would often get stuck in one area and just keep re-cleaning that
>> section over and over until it decided it was done.
>>
>
>Then again, I'm not sure this was a Roomba. It may have been another
>brand.
The one we had was a Roombs by i-robot
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 21:18:53 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>>> imagined something like that for dust.
>>>
>>>
>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
>> works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>
>I think I'll pick some up.
>I wonder if it works on wood floors.
Yes it does. The old hardware srore in Elmira Ontario had hardwood
floors and sweepong compound was used all the time.It was also used on
hardwood floors as well as terrazo ot school.
On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
[snip]
>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that
>> escapes my air filter
>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I
>> miss with the broom.
>>
>
> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>
>
How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
In any case given their limitations on larger debris, I would think the
OP would be better off just making a fast pass with a floor vacuum tool
attached to a shop vac or dust collection system. By the time he's
picked up all the little bits, he's near done anyway. At a couple
hundred for a Roomba, he can buy some nice hardwoods or another tool. ;-)
On 8/5/2017 11:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:58:11 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
[snip]
>> In any case given their limitations on larger debris, I would think the
>> OP would be better off just making a fast pass with a floor vacuum tool
>> attached to a shop vac or dust collection system. By the time he's
>> picked up all the little bits, he's near done anyway. At a couple
>> hundred for a Roomba, he can buy some nice hardwoods or another tool. ;-)
>
> I agree with you but I think his issue is the fine stuff that settles
> hours after he's done in the shop. My issue is the concrete "dusting"
> but I don't think a Roomba is the solution.
Any reason you can't give your shop floor ONE really good cleaning and
then pour satin polyurethane on it and roll it out? I did just that on
my shop and garage floor when I built it 30+ years ago. The coating is
till probably 95% (only place I've had problems is where the car tires
run with salt and crap in the bad weather. Concrete dust? WTF is that? ;-)
On 8/5/2017 9:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>>> imagined something like that for dust.
>>>
>>>
>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
>> works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>
> I think I'll pick some up.
> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
Works on any floor type, Mike. Most that I've seen has a red dye in it
so you can see it on the floor. As others have said, a little goes a
long way. Not only does the oily consistency (not enough to smear) pick
up the dust, it prevents it from becoming airborne. Others have
attested to its vintage. I first recall seeing my father using it in
our basement ca 1953 and he was hardly an innovator. ;-)
On 8/5/2017 10:58 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>
>
> [snip]
>>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that
>>> escapes my air filter
>>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I
>>> miss with the broom.
>>>
>>
>> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
>> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>>
>>
>
>
> How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
> randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
> object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
Correct. unless they travel in a straight line for 15', then they change
direction, obstacle or no obstacle.
The latest top end models are no longer random, they map the room and
cover every spot like some of the competitors so.
The mapping of the room may just be something that iRobot is offering to
compete. The beauty to the random vacuuming is that if something gets
dropped after the fact or if it pushes debris out of the way it may get
it on one of the random passes later on. With maping IIRC the any spot
on the floor only gets covered once per cycle. If it mushed something
out of reach it will try again on the next scheduled day.
We have not used a conventional vacuum cleaner on our tile floors in
over 9 years. The Roomba,ours is random coverage, does a great job if
you let it run often, especially with a pet or kids.
>
> In any case given their limitations on larger debris, I would think the
> OP would be better off just making a fast pass with a floor vacuum tool
> attached to a shop vac or dust collection system. By the time he's
> picked up all the little bits, he's near done anyway. At a couple
> hundred for a Roomba, he can buy some nice hardwoods or another tool. ;-)
>
>
>
Actually you need to think several hundred to get a decent Roomba. The
upper end ones are neat $1K. Ours IIRC was about $5~6 hundred.
On 8/5/2017 2:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 8/5/17 2:12 PM, John McGaw wrote:
>> On 8/5/2017 2:54 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 8/5/17 1:21 PM, John McGaw wrote:
>>>> On 8/4/2017 10:44 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>>> Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to
>>>>> keep your shop floor clean? Just wondering if it works...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The best answer is "The company thought of that and made a product
>>>> for cleaning shops and it was a total bust so it was dropped."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/iRobot-110-Dirt-Workshop-Robot/dp/B000OQAMOO/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shops are not meant to be _totally_ clean. If your shop is immaculate
>>>> then you aren't using it right.
>>>
>>> I get what you're saying, John, and agree with the premise.
>>> However, any time I do finishing, I sure wish my shop was "immaculate"
>>> because it would save me a whole lot of time knocking the fuzz off
>>> between coats.
>>>
>>> There are air cleaners for the airborne stuff and I see a place for
>>> something that would capture all that stuff on the floor before it gets
>>> airborne.
>>>
>>>
>> Something along these lines works beautifully in removing fine dust
>> from floors. I always find that, if you don't have a dedicated
>> finishing area, cleaning up as best you can, waiting a couple of
>> hours, and then proceeding carefully so as not to raise any remaining
>> dust works best. This also means turning off any 'dust filters', fans,
>> heaters, or air conditioners since each of these will sabotage your
>> efforts to get dust out of the air. That can make things pretty
>> uncomfortable for a while depending on season and your shop.
>>
>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>
>
> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never imagined
> something like that for dust.
>
>
When I was kid the grocery store in the small town that my grandmother
lived in used a similar product on their wooden floors. It was red in
color and had an oily feel when fresh. The oil attracts the dust much
like a dust mop does.
On 8/5/2017 9:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>>> imagined something like that for dust.
>>>
>>>
>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
>> works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>
> I think I'll pick some up.
> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
>
>
Absolutely. See my previous post about the old grocery store. ;~)
On 8/5/2017 1:54 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 8/5/17 1:21 PM, John McGaw wrote:
>> On 8/4/2017 10:44 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>> Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to
>>> keep your shop floor clean? Just wondering if it works...
>>>
>>
>>
>> The best answer is "The company thought of that and made a product
>> for cleaning shops and it was a total bust so it was dropped."
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/iRobot-110-Dirt-Workshop-Robot/dp/B000OQAMOO/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Shops are not meant to be _totally_ clean. If your shop is immaculate
>> then you aren't using it right.
>
> I get what you're saying, John, and agree with the premise.
> However, any time I do finishing, I sure wish my shop was "immaculate"
> because it would save me a whole lot of time knocking the fuzz off
> between coats.
>
> There are air cleaners for the airborne stuff and I see a place for
> something that would capture all that stuff on the floor before it gets
> airborne.
>
>
FWIW I quit worrying about dust about 25 years ago when I switched to
using gel varnishes. Dust is not an issue.
On 8/5/2017 11:14 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> It will get that dust you are talking about. The upper end models have
>> Hepa filters although not Hepa certified. Ours sucks up enough dog
>> hair and
>> dust to build a new dog every couple of weeks.
>
> In my case it would have to suck up the dog to stay ahead of the hair.
> English Setter... his white hair forms "snow drifts" in a matter of
> days... ;~)
We had that problem too, before the Great Dane it was the Choc Lab.
I'll tell you I have to empty the bin after each run and I do a thorough
cleaning of the robot on a weekly basis but I spend about 10-15 minutes
doing all of that every week. Beats the heck of doing the vacuuming my
self 5 times a week.
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 12:27:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 8/5/2017 11:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:58:11 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that
>>>>> escapes my air filter
>>>>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I
>>>>> miss with the broom.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
>>>> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
>>> randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
>>> object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
>>
>> No, they learn the area.
>
>That strictly depends on the particular Roomba model that you get. Only
>the high end models have the mapping feature all others currently are
>random.
That's what I was told buy the guy who used to design 'em. Perhaps
iRobot only designed the "smart" ones (the rest coming from China).
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 02:44:18 -0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to keep your shop floor
>clean? Just wondering if it works...
Only if the shop floor is clean - - -
Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to keep your shop floor
>> clean? Just wondering if it works...
>>
>
> We have been running a roomba in our home 5 days a week for the last 9
> years. It will work in your shop after you sweep. It's capacity is about
> that of two packs of cigarettes.
>
>
It will get that dust you are talking about. The upper end models have
Hepa filters although not Hepa certified. Ours sucks up enough dog hair and
dust to build a new dog every couple of weeks.
You can test drive one for 30 days if you but direct from IRobot.
On 8/5/2017 10:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>>> imagined something like that for dust.
>>>
>>>
>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
>> works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>
> I think I'll pick some up.
> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
>
>
Yes, it does.
On 8/5/2017 11:43 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 8/5/17 10:58 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust
>>>> that escapes my air filter
>>>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that
>>>> I miss with the broom.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
>>> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
>> randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
>> object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
>>
>> In any case given their limitations on larger debris, I would think
>> the OP would be better off just making a fast pass with a floor vacuum
>> tool attached to a shop vac or dust collection system. By the time
>> he's picked up all the little bits, he's near done anyway. At a
>> couple hundred for a Roomba, he can buy some nice hardwoods or another
>> tool. ;-)
>>
>
> Maybe they have improved their "brains" since we had one.
> But our would often get stuck in one area and just keep re-cleaning that
> section over and over until it decided it was done.
>
>
Typically and especially if you use a light house to direct the roomba,
the robot remains in an area approximately 22 minutes before moving on.
On 8/5/2017 11:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:58:11 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that
>>>> escapes my air filter
>>>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I
>>>> miss with the broom.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
>>> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
>> randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
>> object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
>
> No, they learn the area.
That strictly depends on the particular Roomba model that you get. Only
the high end models have the mapping feature all others currently are
random.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 8/5/17 9:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 21:18:53 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
> >>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
> >>>> imagined something like that for dust.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
> >>> works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
> >>
> >> I think I'll pick some up.
> >> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
> > Yes it does. The old hardware srore in Elmira Ontario had hardwood
> > floors and sweepong compound was used all the time.It was also used on
> > hardwood floors as well as terrazo ot school.
> >
>
> Thanks for that info. Think I'll try it.
The only time I ever saw it was when the janitor at the high school was
sweeping out the gym, which had a hardwood floor.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On Sun, 06 Aug 2017 13:21:06 +0000, Spalted Walt
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> > On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
> >> >> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
> >> >> imagined something like that for dust.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
> >> > works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
> >>
> >> I think I'll pick some up.
> >> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
> >
> >They seem to be contradicting themselves on their website.
> >
> >http://www.zepcommercial.com/product/Sweeping-Compound
> >
> >From the column on the right: "SDS & PRO TIPS"
> >
> >Pro Tips
> >This product is safe for both hard and soft flooring.
> >
> >---
> >
> >From the column on the right: "Questions & Answers"
> >Questions And Answers
> >Can you use it on finished hardwood floors
> >
> >Answers
> >Thank you for contacting us. We do not recommend applying this product to hardwood floors.
> >
> >We hope this helps. If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact us.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Zep Commercial | Consumer Relations Department
> >2 years, 6 months ago
> >ZepRepresentative
> Interestingly enough, DustBane Corp, who first mareketted the stuff,
> no longer even lists it as one of their products ---- I guess too many
> imitators made it unprofitable for them???
There's oil-based and wax-based and it also comes sanded and non-sanded.
Not clear what Zep sells. For wood I believe you want non-sanded wax-
based.
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>It will get that dust you are talking about. The upper end models have
>Hepa filters although not Hepa certified. Ours sucks up enough dog hair and
>dust to build a new dog every couple of weeks.
In my case it would have to suck up the dog to stay ahead of the hair.
English Setter... his white hair forms "snow drifts" in a matter of days...
;~)
On 8/5/2017 2:54 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 8/5/17 1:21 PM, John McGaw wrote:
>> On 8/4/2017 10:44 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>> Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to
>>> keep your shop floor clean? Just wondering if it works...
>>>
>>
>>
>> The best answer is "The company thought of that and made a product
>> for cleaning shops and it was a total bust so it was dropped."
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/iRobot-110-Dirt-Workshop-Robot/dp/B000OQAMOO/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Shops are not meant to be _totally_ clean. If your shop is immaculate
>> then you aren't using it right.
>
> I get what you're saying, John, and agree with the premise.
> However, any time I do finishing, I sure wish my shop was "immaculate"
> because it would save me a whole lot of time knocking the fuzz off
> between coats.
>
> There are air cleaners for the airborne stuff and I see a place for
> something that would capture all that stuff on the floor before it gets
> airborne.
>
>
Something along these lines works beautifully in removing fine dust from
floors. I always find that, if you don't have a dedicated finishing area,
cleaning up as best you can, waiting a couple of hours, and then proceeding
carefully so as not to raise any remaining dust works best. This also means
turning off any 'dust filters', fans, heaters, or air conditioners since
each of these will sabotage your efforts to get dust out of the air. That
can make things pretty uncomfortable for a while depending on season and
your shop.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 02:44:18 -0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to keep your shop floor
>>clean? Just wondering if it works...
>
> Only if the shop floor is clean - - -
>
OK, I guess maybe I should elaborate. I plan on using a broom to deal with the largest stuff, the
jointer shavings and the sawdust that escapes the dust collector, the handplane shavings, and
so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that escapes my air filter
too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I miss with the broom.
On 8/4/2017 10:44 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to keep your shop floor
> clean? Just wondering if it works...
>
The best answer is "The company thought of that and made a product for
cleaning shops and it was a total bust so it was dropped."
https://www.amazon.com/iRobot-110-Dirt-Workshop-Robot/dp/B000OQAMOO/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
Shops are not meant to be _totally_ clean. If your shop is immaculate then
you aren't using it right.
On 8/5/2017 3:33 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 03:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 02:44:18 -0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to keep your shop floor
>>>> clean? Just wondering if it works...
>>>
>>> Only if the shop floor is clean - - -
>>>
>> OK, I guess maybe I should elaborate. I plan on using a broom to deal with the largest stuff, the
>> jointer shavings and the sawdust that escapes the dust collector, the handplane shavings, and
>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that escapes my air filter
>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I miss with the broom.
> From my experience (short term) with one in the house, I'd say you
> will be dissapointed. It will plug the filter in no-time, as well as
> fill the tiny dirt cup. Terribly ovepriced toys.
>
The early ones still had bugs. The first we bought was in 2008 and it
was the top of the lone Roomba, IIRC a 570 series.
I had a lot of trouble with it, especially with the gears in the brush
assembly. iRobot sent me 2 replacement gear boxes and brushes within
the first year. As they came out with newer models I learned that you
could buy the new model parts for the model I had and the unit became
quite useful. It lasted 5 years vacuuming our whole house 5 days a week.
When I replaced it I got a 700 series unit with a $100 discount from
iRobot. It was absolutely trouble free for 4 years. I picked it up to
clean it about 3 months ago and the handle broke. iRobot does not sell
a replacement handle and with a couple of e-mails back and forth they
sent me a brand new replacement. I only had to pay for shipping to
return the broken one.
My wife are extremely happy with the Roombas especially sense the first
two vacuumed our home more than 2,000 times in the past 9 years. And we
have never used our conventional vac, to vacuum the floors, since
getting the first Roomba. We keep it to vac our 9 ceiling fans.
On Sat, 05 Aug 2017 12:23:17 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:58:11 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>[snip]
>>>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that
>>>> escapes my air filter
>>>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I
>>>> miss with the broom.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
>>> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
>>randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
>>object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
>
>No, they learn the area.
The one I used didn't. It would vacuum the same corner 10 times before
it got the rest of a 6X10 washroom, and got stuch under the same
dining table at least 10 times before it found the rug. If it ran for
24 hours there is a 50/50 chance it would have covered the entire
livingroom/diningroom area.
>
>>In any case given their limitations on larger debris, I would think the
>>OP would be better off just making a fast pass with a floor vacuum tool
>>attached to a shop vac or dust collection system. By the time he's
>>picked up all the little bits, he's near done anyway. At a couple
>>hundred for a Roomba, he can buy some nice hardwoods or another tool. ;-)
+1 - or a lot more!
>
>I agree with you but I think his issue is the fine stuff that settles
>hours after he's done in the shop. My issue is the concrete "dusting"
>but I don't think a Roomba is the solution.
Nor do I.
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 16:43:37 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/5/2017 11:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:58:11 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>> In any case given their limitations on larger debris, I would think the
>>> OP would be better off just making a fast pass with a floor vacuum tool
>>> attached to a shop vac or dust collection system. By the time he's
>>> picked up all the little bits, he's near done anyway. At a couple
>>> hundred for a Roomba, he can buy some nice hardwoods or another tool. ;-)
>>
>> I agree with you but I think his issue is the fine stuff that settles
>> hours after he's done in the shop. My issue is the concrete "dusting"
>> but I don't think a Roomba is the solution.
>
>Any reason you can't give your shop floor ONE really good cleaning and
>then pour satin polyurethane on it and roll it out? I did just that on
>my shop and garage floor when I built it 30+ years ago. The coating is
>till probably 95% (only place I've had problems is where the car tires
>run with salt and crap in the bad weather. Concrete dust? WTF is that? ;-)
Some day I might get time to even work down there.
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 03:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 02:44:18 -0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to keep your shop floor
>>>clean? Just wondering if it works...
>>
>> Only if the shop floor is clean - - -
>>
>OK, I guess maybe I should elaborate. I plan on using a broom to deal with the largest stuff, the
>jointer shavings and the sawdust that escapes the dust collector, the handplane shavings, and
>so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that escapes my air filter
>too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I miss with the broom.
From my experience (short term) with one in the house, I'd say you
will be dissapointed. It will plug the filter in no-time, as well as
fill the tiny dirt cup. Terribly ovepriced toys.
On 8/6/2017 9:21 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>>>> imagined something like that for dust.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
>>> works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>>
>> I think I'll pick some up.
>> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
>
> They seem to be contradicting themselves on their website.
>
> http://www.zepcommercial.com/product/Sweeping-Compound
>
> From the column on the right: "SDS & PRO TIPS"
>
> Pro Tips
> This product is safe for both hard and soft flooring.
>
> ---
>
> From the column on the right: "Questions & Answers"
> Questions And Answers
> Can you use it on finished hardwood floors
>
> Answers
> Thank you for contacting us. We do not recommend applying this product to hardwood floors.
>
> We hope this helps. If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact us.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Zep Commercial | Consumer Relations Department
> 2 years, 6 months ago
> ZepRepresentative
>
I'm surprised at that. I can show you a 20,000 sq ft warehouse where it
has been used for years with no ill effects. Unless they mean
unfinished wood. I can see that as it does have some sort of oil in it.
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 13:02:52 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>says...
>>
>> On Sun, 06 Aug 2017 13:21:06 +0000, Spalted Walt
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> > On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>> >> >> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>> >> >> imagined something like that for dust.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
>> >> > works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>> >>
>> >> I think I'll pick some up.
>> >> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
>> >
>> >They seem to be contradicting themselves on their website.
>> >
>> >http://www.zepcommercial.com/product/Sweeping-Compound
>> >
>> >From the column on the right: "SDS & PRO TIPS"
>> >
>> >Pro Tips
>> >This product is safe for both hard and soft flooring.
>> >
>> >---
>> >
>> >From the column on the right: "Questions & Answers"
>> >Questions And Answers
>> >Can you use it on finished hardwood floors
>> >
>> >Answers
>> >Thank you for contacting us. We do not recommend applying this product to hardwood floors.
>> >
>> >We hope this helps. If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact us.
>> >
>> >Sincerely,
>> >
>> >Zep Commercial | Consumer Relations Department
>> >2 years, 6 months ago
>> >ZepRepresentative
>> Interestingly enough, DustBane Corp, who first mareketted the stuff,
>> no longer even lists it as one of their products ---- I guess too many
>> imitators made it unprofitable for them???
>
>There's oil-based and wax-based and it also comes sanded and non-sanded.
>Not clear what Zep sells. For wood I believe you want non-sanded wax-
>based.
>
The latest is vegatable based - I believe it contains canola meal
(which still has some canola oil in it)
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8/6/2017 9:21 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
> >>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
> >>>> imagined something like that for dust.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
> >>> works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
> >>
> >> I think I'll pick some up.
> >> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
> >
> > They seem to be contradicting themselves on their website.
> >
> > http://www.zepcommercial.com/product/Sweeping-Compound
> >
> > From the column on the right: "SDS & PRO TIPS"
> >
> > Pro Tips
> > This product is safe for both hard and soft flooring.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > From the column on the right: "Questions & Answers"
> > Questions And Answers
> > Can you use it on finished hardwood floors
> >
> > Answers
> > Thank you for contacting us. We do not recommend applying this product to hardwood floors.
> >
> > We hope this helps. If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact us.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Zep Commercial | Consumer Relations Department
> > 2 years, 6 months ago
> > ZepRepresentative
> >
>
> I'm surprised at that. I can show you a 20,000 sq ft warehouse where it
> has been used for years with no ill effects. Unless they mean
> unfinished wood. I can see that as it does have some sort of oil in it.
+1 - That's it.
http://www.zepcommercial.com/product/Sweeping-Compound
Questions And Answers
Can I use it on plywood floors
Answers
I wouldn't recommend using it on plywood because it's an oil-based formula.
It's recommended use is on: cement, concrete, marble and other floors in warehouses, factories, shop areas and garages.
Thank You,
Zep Commercial
3 years, 6 months ago
ZepRepresentative
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 21:36:33 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/5/2017 9:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>>>> imagined something like that for dust.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
>>> works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>>
>> I think I'll pick some up.
>> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
>
>Works on any floor type, Mike. Most that I've seen has a red dye in it
>so you can see it on the floor. As others have said, a little goes a
>long way. Not only does the oily consistency (not enough to smear) pick
>up the dust, it prevents it from becoming airborne. Others have
>attested to its vintage. I first recall seeing my father using it in
>our basement ca 1953 and he was hardly an innovator. ;-)
>
A lot of it is green too
On 8/5/2017 6:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 12:27:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/2017 11:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:58:11 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that
>>>>>> escapes my air filter
>>>>>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I
>>>>>> miss with the broom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
>>>>> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
>>>> randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
>>>> object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
>>>
>>> No, they learn the area.
>>
>> That strictly depends on the particular Roomba model that you get. Only
>> the high end models have the mapping feature all others currently are
>> random.
>
> That's what I was told buy the guy who used to design 'em. Perhaps
> iRobot only designed the "smart" ones (the rest coming from China).
>
I am on my 3rd Roomba robot. The Roomba's learning and mapping the room
is a very recent development and still only offered on the top end
model. This feature was not available from iRobot until relatively
recently. Other brand robots did indeed map the rooms, Neato Vac's for
example.
On Sat, 05 Aug 2017 19:50:26 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 12:27:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>>On 8/5/2017 11:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:58:11 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that
>>>>>> escapes my air filter
>>>>>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I
>>>>>> miss with the broom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
>>>>> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
>>>> randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
>>>> object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
>>>
>>> No, they learn the area.
>>
>>That strictly depends on the particular Roomba model that you get. Only
>>the high end models have the mapping feature all others currently are
>>random.
>
>That's what I was told buy the guy who used to design 'em. Perhaps
>iRobot only designed the "smart" ones (the rest coming from China).
iRobot designed them all - and likely has them all made in China (or
some other low-wage PacRim country)
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
> >>>
> >>
> >> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
> >> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
> >> imagined something like that for dust.
> >>
> >>
> > 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
> > works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>
> I think I'll pick some up.
> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
They seem to be contradicting themselves on their website.
http://www.zepcommercial.com/product/Sweeping-Compound
From the column on the right: "SDS & PRO TIPS"
Pro Tips
This product is safe for both hard and soft flooring.
---
From the column on the right: "Questions & Answers"
Questions And Answers
Can you use it on finished hardwood floors
Answers
Thank you for contacting us. We do not recommend applying this product to hardwood floors.
We hope this helps. If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact us.
Sincerely,
Zep Commercial | Consumer Relations Department
2 years, 6 months ago
ZepRepresentative
On Sun, 06 Aug 2017 13:21:06 +0000, Spalted Walt
<[email protected]> wrote:
>-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>> >> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>> >> imagined something like that for dust.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
>> > works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>>
>> I think I'll pick some up.
>> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
>
>They seem to be contradicting themselves on their website.
>
>http://www.zepcommercial.com/product/Sweeping-Compound
>
>From the column on the right: "SDS & PRO TIPS"
>
>Pro Tips
>This product is safe for both hard and soft flooring.
>
>---
>
>From the column on the right: "Questions & Answers"
>Questions And Answers
>Can you use it on finished hardwood floors
>
>Answers
>Thank you for contacting us. We do not recommend applying this product to hardwood floors.
>
>We hope this helps. If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact us.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Zep Commercial | Consumer Relations Department
>2 years, 6 months ago
>ZepRepresentative
Interestingly enough, DustBane Corp, who first mareketted the stuff,
no longer even lists it as one of their products ---- I guess too many
imitators made it unprofitable for them???
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:58:11 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>[snip]
>>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that
>>> escapes my air filter
>>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I
>>> miss with the broom.
>>>
>>
>> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
>> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>>
>>
>
>
>How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
>randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
>object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
No, they learn the area.
>In any case given their limitations on larger debris, I would think the
>OP would be better off just making a fast pass with a floor vacuum tool
>attached to a shop vac or dust collection system. By the time he's
>picked up all the little bits, he's near done anyway. At a couple
>hundred for a Roomba, he can buy some nice hardwoods or another tool. ;-)
I agree with you but I think his issue is the fine stuff that settles
hours after he's done in the shop. My issue is the concrete "dusting"
but I don't think a Roomba is the solution.
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 16:43:37 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/5/2017 11:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:58:11 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>> In any case given their limitations on larger debris, I would think the
>>> OP would be better off just making a fast pass with a floor vacuum tool
>>> attached to a shop vac or dust collection system. By the time he's
>>> picked up all the little bits, he's near done anyway. At a couple
>>> hundred for a Roomba, he can buy some nice hardwoods or another tool. ;-)
>>
>> I agree with you but I think his issue is the fine stuff that settles
>> hours after he's done in the shop. My issue is the concrete "dusting"
>> but I don't think a Roomba is the solution.
>
>Any reason you can't give your shop floor ONE really good cleaning and
>then pour satin polyurethane on it and roll it out? I did just that on
>my shop and garage floor when I built it 30+ years ago. The coating is
>till probably 95% (only place I've had problems is where the car tires
>run with salt and crap in the bad weather. Concrete dust? WTF is that? ;-)
>
>
two words
WATER GLASS
or
Sodium Silicate
On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 02:44:18 -0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to keep your shop floor
>>> clean? Just wondering if it works...
>>
>> Only if the shop floor is clean - - -
>>
> OK, I guess maybe I should elaborate. I plan on using a broom to deal with the largest stuff, the
> jointer shavings and the sawdust that escapes the dust collector, the handplane shavings, and
> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that escapes my air filter
> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I miss with the broom.
>
It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 8/5/17 10:58 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>
>
> [snip]
>>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust that
>>> escapes my air filter
>>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that I
>>> miss with the broom.
>>>
>>
>> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
>> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>>
>>
>
>
> How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
> randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
> object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
>
> In any case given their limitations on larger debris, I would think the
> OP would be better off just making a fast pass with a floor vacuum tool
> attached to a shop vac or dust collection system. By the time he's
> picked up all the little bits, he's near done anyway. At a couple
> hundred for a Roomba, he can buy some nice hardwoods or another tool. ;-)
>
Maybe they have improved their "brains" since we had one.
But our would often get stuck in one area and just keep re-cleaning that
section over and over until it decided it was done.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 8/5/17 11:43 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 8/5/17 10:58 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>> On 8/5/2017 10:46 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 8/4/17 10:12 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>>> so on. I'm wondering how well Roomba would do with the fine dust
>>>> that escapes my air filter
>>>> too, and settles out of the air hours later, or with the stuff that
>>>> I miss with the broom.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It would work great for that, if you didn't move stuff around a lot.
>>> Unfortunately, they are easily confused.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> How so, Mike? I don't own one but I always thought they cleaned in a
>> randomized pattern - just take off and go until they sense/touch and
>> object and then alter course until the next obstruction.
>>
>> In any case given their limitations on larger debris, I would think
>> the OP would be better off just making a fast pass with a floor vacuum
>> tool attached to a shop vac or dust collection system. By the time
>> he's picked up all the little bits, he's near done anyway. At a
>> couple hundred for a Roomba, he can buy some nice hardwoods or another
>> tool. ;-)
>>
>
> Maybe they have improved their "brains" since we had one.
> But our would often get stuck in one area and just keep re-cleaning that
> section over and over until it decided it was done.
>
Then again, I'm not sure this was a Roomba. It may have been another
brand.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 8/5/17 1:21 PM, John McGaw wrote:
> On 8/4/2017 10:44 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to
>> keep your shop floor clean? Just wondering if it works...
>>
>
>
> The best answer is "The company thought of that and made a product
> for cleaning shops and it was a total bust so it was dropped."
>
> https://www.amazon.com/iRobot-110-Dirt-Workshop-Robot/dp/B000OQAMOO/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
>
>
>
> Shops are not meant to be _totally_ clean. If your shop is immaculate
> then you aren't using it right.
I get what you're saying, John, and agree with the premise.
However, any time I do finishing, I sure wish my shop was "immaculate"
because it would save me a whole lot of time knocking the fuzz off
between coats.
There are air cleaners for the airborne stuff and I see a place for
something that would capture all that stuff on the floor before it gets
airborne.
--
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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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On 8/5/17 2:12 PM, John McGaw wrote:
> On 8/5/2017 2:54 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 8/5/17 1:21 PM, John McGaw wrote:
>>> On 8/4/2017 10:44 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>> Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to
>>>> keep your shop floor clean? Just wondering if it works...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The best answer is "The company thought of that and made a product
>>> for cleaning shops and it was a total bust so it was dropped."
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/iRobot-110-Dirt-Workshop-Robot/dp/B000OQAMOO/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Shops are not meant to be _totally_ clean. If your shop is immaculate
>>> then you aren't using it right.
>>
>> I get what you're saying, John, and agree with the premise.
>> However, any time I do finishing, I sure wish my shop was "immaculate"
>> because it would save me a whole lot of time knocking the fuzz off
>> between coats.
>>
>> There are air cleaners for the airborne stuff and I see a place for
>> something that would capture all that stuff on the floor before it gets
>> airborne.
>>
>>
> Something along these lines works beautifully in removing fine dust from
> floors. I always find that, if you don't have a dedicated finishing
> area, cleaning up as best you can, waiting a couple of hours, and then
> proceeding carefully so as not to raise any remaining dust works best.
> This also means turning off any 'dust filters', fans, heaters, or air
> conditioners since each of these will sabotage your efforts to get dust
> out of the air. That can make things pretty uncomfortable for a while
> depending on season and your shop.
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never imagined
something like that for dust.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>>
>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>>
>>
>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>> imagined something like that for dust.
>>
>>
> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
> works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
I think I'll pick some up.
I wonder if it works on wood floors.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 8/5/17 9:36 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 8/5/2017 9:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>>>> imagined something like that for dust.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it
>>> all works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>>
>> I think I'll pick some up.
>> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
>
> Works on any floor type, Mike. Most that I've seen has a red dye in it
> so you can see it on the floor. As others have said, a little goes a
> long way. Not only does the oily consistency (not enough to smear) pick
> up the dust, it prevents it from becoming airborne. Others have
> attested to its vintage. I first recall seeing my father using it in
> our basement ca 1953 and he was hardly an innovator. ;-)
>
>
I'm getting some, that settles it. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 8/5/17 9:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 21:18:53 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>>>> imagined something like that for dust.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
>>> works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>>
>> I think I'll pick some up.
>> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
> Yes it does. The old hardware srore in Elmira Ontario had hardwood
> floors and sweepong compound was used all the time.It was also used on
> hardwood floors as well as terrazo ot school.
>
Thanks for that info. Think I'll try it.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 8/6/17 8:21 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>>>> imagined something like that for dust.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
>>> works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>>
>> I think I'll pick some up.
>> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
>
> They seem to be contradicting themselves on their website.
>
> http://www.zepcommercial.com/product/Sweeping-Compound
>
> From the column on the right: "SDS & PRO TIPS"
>
> Pro Tips
> This product is safe for both hard and soft flooring.
>
> ---
>
> From the column on the right: "Questions & Answers"
> Questions And Answers
> Can you use it on finished hardwood floors
>
> Answers
> Thank you for contacting us. We do not recommend applying this product to hardwood floors.
>
> We hope this helps. If you have any additional questions, feel free to contact us.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Zep Commercial | Consumer Relations Department
> 2 years, 6 months ago
> ZepRepresentative
>
Perhaps they are worried about it scratching the finish, who knows?
Not an issue for me since I'm considering it for the OSB floor in my
sharn.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 21:53:00 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 8/5/17 9:36 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>> On 8/5/2017 9:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 8/5/17 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>>>>> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never
>>>>> imagined something like that for dust.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it
>>>> all works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
>>>
>>> I think I'll pick some up.
>>> I wonder if it works on wood floors.
>>
>> Works on any floor type, Mike. Most that I've seen has a red dye in it
>> so you can see it on the floor. As others have said, a little goes a
>> long way. Not only does the oily consistency (not enough to smear) pick
>> up the dust, it prevents it from becoming airborne. Others have
>> attested to its vintage. I first recall seeing my father using it in
>> our basement ca 1953 and he was hardly an innovator. ;-)
>>
>>
>
>I'm getting some, that settles it. :-)
That's it's purpose, evidently. I'm going to try it too. My garage
is a disaster (though one side being full of Hardi-Plank isn't going
to make it any easier to clean).
On 8/5/2017 3:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>>
>
> Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
> I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never imagined
> something like that for dust.
>
>
50# will last a very long time. You just sprinkle a little and it all
works as you sweep along. It is sort of like oild sawdust.
On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 14:20:09 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 8/5/17 2:12 PM, John McGaw wrote:
>> On 8/5/2017 2:54 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 8/5/17 1:21 PM, John McGaw wrote:
>>>> On 8/4/2017 10:44 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>>> Any of you guys use a Roomba (or other robot vacuum cleaner) to
>>>>> keep your shop floor clean? Just wondering if it works...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The best answer is "The company thought of that and made a product
>>>> for cleaning shops and it was a total bust so it was dropped."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/iRobot-110-Dirt-Workshop-Robot/dp/B000OQAMOO/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shops are not meant to be _totally_ clean. If your shop is immaculate
>>>> then you aren't using it right.
>>>
>>> I get what you're saying, John, and agree with the premise.
>>> However, any time I do finishing, I sure wish my shop was "immaculate"
>>> because it would save me a whole lot of time knocking the fuzz off
>>> between coats.
>>>
>>> There are air cleaners for the airborne stuff and I see a place for
>>> something that would capture all that stuff on the floor before it gets
>>> airborne.
>>>
>>>
>> Something along these lines works beautifully in removing fine dust from
>> floors. I always find that, if you don't have a dedicated finishing
>> area, cleaning up as best you can, waiting a couple of hours, and then
>> proceeding carefully so as not to raise any remaining dust works best.
>> This also means turning off any 'dust filters', fans, heaters, or air
>> conditioners since each of these will sabotage your efforts to get dust
>> out of the air. That can make things pretty uncomfortable for a while
>> depending on season and your shop.
>>
>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ZEP-50-lb-Sweeping-Compound-HDSWEEP50/202056504
>
>Wow, that's a new one on me! I never knew such a thing existed.
>I've used similar things for oil and spilled paint, but I never imagined
>something like that for dust.
They used that stuff at the high school back in the sixties/seventies
all the time. - it was a "dust magnet" compound.