"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:300120101004293926%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
>> to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of
>> it.
>
> Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
> hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.
I recently had to order some items by phone because the website kept
freezing. Infact I could only research the items on an old site that ran
glacially slow. When discussing this problem with the lady on the phone she
said tha the problem had started six weeks ago and their "webguy" couldn't
figure out the problem. They were worried because of all the complaints and
decreased sales.
I asked her if they had any design work done on their website recently. And,
of course, the "image overhaul" got done just before the problems started.
And these geniuses did not make the connection. Duhhhh......
I mentioned that I got some error messages concerning Flash. I told her a
couple Flash horror stories. She had never heard of Flash before. I also
told her that many designers were in love with Flash and were pissing people
off all over the place. And not to expect them to be honest about it. She
was frantically writing notes and was going to take it to her boss. The boss
was getting upset that the web people were not solving the problem.
A classic example of an artsy fartsy designer screwing it up for everybody.
Hopefully they will take this"web designer" out and shoot him. The world
will be a better place for all of us.
Robert Haar <[email protected]> wrote in
news:C789F2F0.487B61%[email protected]:
*snip*
>
> It doesn't seem targeted at that. It is described as a new class of
> device, not a smart phone and not a laptop.
>
> Now it may be that this new class doesn't meet your needs. I'm not
> convinced that I want one myself. But recognize that Apple is pitching
> this as something different.
>
Sorta like something a person can carry around with them and keep track of
their appointments, contacts, and business notes? Look Apple's invented
the PDA!
Sure would be interested if it was Newton reincarnated. Sounds like it's
got a lot of the features I'd include if I could redesign it.
Puckdropper
Han <[email protected]> wrote in news:Xns9D119002E91F8ikkezelf@
207.246.207.190:
>
> What's a DVD?
>
It's a small round disc containing a passifier for many adults. It also
works for kids too, but only for a short time. Usage is simple: Put it in
a device called a DVD player and they will sit and watch for hours at a
time.
Puckdropper
"Swingman" wrote
>
> Sorry, you missed the pointe(e), dud(e). You simply aren't cool anymor(e)
> ... the world has passed you by(e). You gotta b(e) into DMB and Lady Gaga
> to appreciat(e) subtl(e) genius, and, as always, the bigger the better ...
> particularly with regarde to your pip(e).
>
> Go have a Moon Pi(e) and a R'er Se(e) and lick your wounded feelings ...
>
> --
There is a song in there someplace.
<hint, hint>
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> Mmm.. try this and mind the wrap.
>
> http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2010-01/ipads-closed-system-some
> times-i-hate-being-right
If that doesn't work, try this:
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2010-01/ipad%E2%80%99s-closed-system-
sometimes-i-hate-being-right
The "apostrophe" appears to be a 3-byte wide Unicode character. Why their
software didn't encode it properly or at least use the HTML equivalent, I
don't know.
Puckdropper
Steve <[email protected]> wrote in news:4b63ec3c$0$5105
[email protected]:
*snip*
>
> In spite of all that, I doubt I'll be buying an iPad. I know I won't be
> buying a Kindle. I prefer my books on real real paper, not on aetheric
> vapours.
>
*snip*
Have you had a chance to read a book on a Kindle? It's not worth buying
yet, but the reading experience is quite good. (I want the DX model that
can display PDFs. Electronic manuals on a portable device would help quite
a bit when the computer's far away.)
Slightly OT: PDF is usually disappointing, it can be done well but rarely
is. Most companies scan and release documents as PDF. (That's why I call
it Printing Document Format)
Puckdropper
On 2/2/2010 7:17 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Feb 1, 11:17 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>>
>> http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 10/22/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> Doesn't come across all that cool on my Blackberry and is a shitload
> of overhead on my old laptop.
> Works just fine on my desktops and is kinda cool.
> I wonder what percentage of potential customers are still on dial-up.
Go ahead, point me to ANYTHING this is cool on your crackberry's
browser! ;)
The point being that every top web designer I know (folks who design for
Dell, Continental, Hulu, etc) is green with envy that they didn't get
the opportunity to do this particular site.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Feb 8, 11:18=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 7:37=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 2/7/2010 11:17 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:13:00 -0600, the infamous Swingman
> > > <[email protected]> =A0scrawled the following:
>
> > >> The price will fall. Today the iPhone can be had for $99, down from =
$599
> > >> when originally released.
> > > --snip--
>
> > > Seen the new Apple iBama yet?
> > >http://www.charlotteobserver.com/kevinsiers/story/1211012.html
>
> > Damn ... built-in teleprompter to boot.
>
> ...complete with a "corPsman" or three.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dgkzwr85rTSY
In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
> to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of it.
Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.
In article <[email protected]>, Leon
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I watched with interest the Kindle however IMHO when compared to the Nook if
> comes in second. The Nook also allows PDF but also allows you to upgrade
> memory with off the shelf products and you can also replace the battery
> yourself when the time comes. I see little desire for the current Sony.
> The I-Pad seems to be more bang for your buck in so much that it appears to
> be a better back lit color reader plus internet access and e-mail access
> along with all the apps that can be added. Still a netbook computer can do
> all of that too, for a lot less.
Hmm. I can spend several hundreds of dollars to buy a device that
allows me to read an electronic text file I essentially RENT for a $10
fee and can have removed from said device at any time with no recourse,
or I can buy a BOOK for $10, read it, loan it to friends, and
ultimately resell it for a couple of bucks or donate it to a charitable
organization's book sale.
Hmm. I think I know where I'm going to end up going with this...
The Kindle and Nook have no attraction for me whatsoever, and my
reaction to the iPad is "meh." It doesn't seem to be more than a giant
iPod, and I've already got a couple of those, and I can put them in my
shirt pocket.
In article <[email protected]>, Phisherman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:04:29 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
> >> to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of it.
> >
> >Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
> >hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.
>
>
> I dont think the pdf format is going away, it is the standard document
> format. I have serious doubts the iPad will make it, Apple set the
> price too high (again).
PDF is amazingly useful for moving print documents around. It's a huge
component of our publishing workflow. But for the web? Not so much.
More of a PITA.
In article <[email protected]>, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Far as I'm concerned Adobe is the antichrist for foisting Flash and the PDF
> and Postscript off on an unsuspecting world, but that ship has sailed,
> they've won, and any viable system has to be able to cope with them in the
> modern world. Maybe Osama will fly a plane into them or something but until
> that happens we're stuck with their crap.
I have to disagree with you on PostScript. It revolutionized the
publishing industry where I've worked for more than 30 years.
PDF has its place, but the web isn't it.
In article <[email protected]>, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:
> And OCR? That was worthless until desktops hit Cray speed.
I recall accepting a contract to do OCR work about 17 -18 years ago.
It turned out it was more profitable for SWMBO to just key the stuff,
because she could type 120 wpm with 98% accuracy.
In article <[email protected]>, Mark &
Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> Again, this is all well and good if everything one is wanting to do
> happens to be built-in.
And if it isn't, don't buy it. It's not like Apple is FORCING you to
buy their products.
Find an alternative tablet that does what you want.
Oops... There aren't any?
Given the chatter over the past few years about how Apple needs to make
a tablet, I wonder why nobody else has stepped into the gap and started
making and marketing them? It's not like the Interweb hasn't been full
of pundits and bloggers screaming about the need for such a product...
Maybe they were waiting for a company that actually knows how to
innovate to create a market they can try to grab a small piece of?
;-)
In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> IMO, this guy pretty well hits the nail on the head:
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/entelligence-lessons-from-the-ipad-launch/
>
> As I said in another post, building on what went before is one of
> Apple's strong suits, but much better explained above.
I rarely agree with Gartenberg, and he's one of the reasons I stopped
reading Engadget some time ago, but this column isn't TOO bad. The
comments, however, are a laugh riot to read!
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:29:11 -0500, the infamous "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Lee Michaels wrote:
>> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
>> news:300120101004293926%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>>> In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is
>>>> dying to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will
>>>> have none of it.
>>>
>>> Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
>>> hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.
>>
>> I recently had to order some items by phone because the website kept
>> freezing. Infact I could only research the items on an old site that
>> ran glacially slow. When discussing this problem with the lady on the
>> phone she said tha the problem had started six weeks ago and their
>> "webguy" couldn't figure out the problem. They were worried because
>> of all the complaints and decreased sales.
>>
>> I asked her if they had any design work done on their website
>> recently. And, of course, the "image overhaul" got done just before
>> the problems started. And these geniuses did not make the connection.
>> Duhhhh......
>>
>> I mentioned that I got some error messages concerning Flash. I told
>> her a couple Flash horror stories. She had never heard of Flash
>> before. I also told her that many designers were in love with Flash
>> and were pissing people off all over the place. And not to expect
>> them to be honest about it. She was frantically writing notes and was
>> going to take it to her boss. The boss was getting upset that the web
>> people were not solving the problem.
>>
>> A classic example of an artsy fartsy designer screwing it up for
>> everybody. Hopefully they will take this"web designer" out and shoot
>> him. The world will be a better place for all of us.
>
>Far as I'm concerned Adobe is the antichrist for foisting Flash and the PDF
>and Postscript off on an unsuspecting world,
...and then charge an arm and _both_ legs for use of their tools to
work with 'em...
>but that ship has sailed,
>they've won, and any viable system has to be able to cope with them in the
>modern world. Maybe Osama will fly a plane into them or something but until
>that happens we're stuck with their crap.
They're the Micro$oft of graphics, though their products do work after
a monstrous vertical cliff of learning. I hate to go from Photoshop to
GIMP, but I may in the next computer. I doubt Adobe will allow me to
move the CS over to Win7, even if M$ does.
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
On Feb 2, 9:30=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/2/2010 7:17 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > On Feb 1, 11:17 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>
> >>http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
>
> >> --www.e-woodshop.net
> >> Last update: 10/22/08
> >> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> > Doesn't come across all that cool on my Blackberry and is a shitload
> > of overhead on my old laptop.
> > Works just fine on my desktops and is kinda cool.
> > I wonder what percentage of potential customers are still on dial-up.
>
> Go ahead, point me to ANYTHING this is cool on your crackberry's
> browser! =A0;)
>
> The point being that every top web designer I know (folks who design for
> Dell, Continental, Hulu, etc) is green with envy that they didn't get
> the opportunity to do this particular site.
>
That site has complete disregard for the little guy who doesn't have
the bandwidth/speed to enjoy that website.
It is always the little guy who gets the bad seats in the arena.
.
.
.
.
.
:-)
(in case you were wondering if I was being serious or not)
On 2010-01-29 22:54:20 -0500, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> said:
> Some other things not so cool:
> 1) No flash support
Flash is the largest cause of freezes in web browsing. Now, If we're
also going to kick about Apple's DRM controlling/limiting access to the
known world, it's worth noting that Flash is proprietary to Adobe.
Plus, Flash just generally sucks, even when used in other Abobe
products. http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/
As of yet, iPod on steroids is a fair summation of the first (and as
yet not on the market) generation iPad. It's not intended as a
computer; it's an information appliance that fits between two market
segments -- the smart phone and the laptop. And Apple has lined up 5
major publishers, and has brought a ray of hope to magazine and
newspaper publishers.
http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/various_ipad_thoughts
http://speirs.org/blog/2010/1/29/future-shock.html
http://cruftbox.com/blog/archives/001592.html#001592
In spite of all that, I doubt I'll be buying an iPad. I know I won't be
buying a Kindle. I prefer my books on real real paper, not on aetheric
vapours.
But let's see how it shakes out.
BTW, Sun Microsystems (remember them?) is history.
On 2010-01-30 14:41:14 -0500, Phisherman <[email protected]> said:
> I dont think the pdf format is going away, it is the standard document
> format. I have serious doubts the iPad will make it, Apple set the
> price too high (again).
Uh, PDF is NOT Flash.
Yes, PDF is firmly entrenched. It's revolutionized the industry I'm in.
Where we once loaded files on disc and sent them to a prep house to be
output to film to be MAILED to printers and publications or the like
while shlepping printouts to our clients for approvals, we now just
send PDFs to both.
Which really sucks for the prep houses... who've largely disappeared.
Flash still bites the big one. (Go, HTML5!)
On 2010-01-30 19:59:35 -0500, Robatoy <[email protected]> said:
> Now that my CNC has pushed me into running PC gear, do
> you think those Adobe people would simply issue me a couple of
> licenses so that I can run my paid-for software on the platform of my
> choice?
Anything can be had for a price... Adobe will tell you what that price
is but it's likely to be full boat when it's cross-platform, unless you
surrender your Mac licenses.
On 2010-01-30 19:26:49 -0500, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
> PDF has its place, but the web isn't it.
Not for display online, perhaps, but it's remarkably efficient for
transporting gobs of data, even it that data began as TIFFs. I was able
to download a 400+ -page book yesterday, OCR it, and have a searchable
file in about a half-hour. How long would it have taken to page through
a paper document? How long would it have taken to page through the PDF?
A lot longer than the searchable PDF, though the paper document would
have have been quicker than non-searchable PDF.
But enough of this -- let's go make sawdust!
On 2010-01-31 17:07:39 -0500, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> said:
> But if someone who happens to own an iPad *now* (or when it really
> ships) and wants to view a web page *now* with content that is
> important to them *now* that just happens to include a flash vid or
> other flash content, that's more than a bit of a problem, isn't it?
You don't have to wait for your iPad to see video without the noxious
stench of Flash. HTML5 specs implementation by browser:
http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Implementations_in_Web_browsers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_(HTML5)
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/2/2010 8:57 AM, Phisherman wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 05:17:14 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 1, 11:17 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>>>>
>>>> http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
>>>>
>>>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>>>> Last update: 10/22/08
>>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>>
>>> Doesn't come across all that cool on my Blackberry and is a shitload
>>> of overhead on my old laptop.
>>> Works just fine on my desktops and is kinda cool.
>>> I wonder what percentage of potential customers are still on dial-up.
>>
>>
>> Doesn't run on my PC either. For a blue-chip company and the biggest
>> world restaurant chain, this is a poor excuse, poor design (they
>> should have hired me).
>
> Sorry, you missed the pointe(e), dud(e). You simply aren't cool anymor(e)
> ... the world has passed you by(e). You gotta b(e) into DMB and Lady Gaga
> to appreciat(e) subtl(e) genius, and, as always, the bigger the better ...
> particularly with regarde to your pip(e).
>
> Go have a Moon Pi(e) and a R'er Se(e) and lick your wounded feelings ...
Like, OMG , IDKT!
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:09:10 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On 2/2/2010 8:57 AM, Phisherman wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 05:17:14 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 1, 11:17 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>>>>
>>>> http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
>>>>
>>>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>>>> Last update: 10/22/08
>>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>>
>>> Doesn't come across all that cool on my Blackberry and is a shitload
>>> of overhead on my old laptop.
>>> Works just fine on my desktops and is kinda cool.
>>> I wonder what percentage of potential customers are still on dial-up.
>>
>>
>> Doesn't run on my PC either. For a blue-chip company and the biggest
>> world restaurant chain, this is a poor excuse, poor design (they
>> should have hired me).
>
>Sorry, you missed the pointe(e), dud(e). You simply aren't cool
>anymor(e) ... the world has passed you by(e). You gotta b(e) into DMB
>and Lady Gaga to appreciat(e) subtl(e) genius, and, as always, the
>bigger the better ... particularly with regarde to your pip(e).
>
>Go have a Moon Pi(e) and a R'er Se(e) and lick your wounded feelings ...
That'n went PSA on me, too.
--UNcool in Oregon, and lovin' it!
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
On Jan 30, 2:22=A0pm, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Leon
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I watched with interest the Kindle however IMHO when compared to the No=
ok if
> > comes in second. =A0The Nook also allows PDF but also allows you to upg=
rade
> > memory with off the shelf products and you can also replace the battery
> > yourself when the time comes. =A0I see little desire for the current So=
ny.
> > The I-Pad seems to be more bang for your buck in so much that it appear=
s to
> > be a better back lit color reader plus internet access and e-mail acces=
s
> > along with all the apps that can be added. =A0Still a netbook computer =
can do
> > all of that too, for a lot less.
>
> Hmm. I can spend several hundreds of dollars to buy a device that
> allows me to read an electronic text file I essentially RENT for a $10
> fee and can have removed from said device at any time with no recourse,
> or I can buy a BOOK for $10, read it, loan it to friends, and
> ultimately resell it for a couple of bucks or donate it to a charitable
> organization's book sale.
>
> Hmm. I think I know where I'm going to end up going with this...
>
> The Kindle and Nook have no attraction for me whatsoever, and my
> reaction to the iPad is "meh." It doesn't seem to be more than a giant
> iPod, and I've already got a couple of those, and I can put them in my
> shirt pocket.
That's me in a nutshell. *Shoulder shrug* BFD....and "meh" suits it to
a t.
Jobs will sell a bezillion and I might end up with one waaaaaaaay down
the road. (I still don't own an iPod Touch (my kid does) or an iPhone)
Someone else mentioned the smell of a book. I'm there. I really like
books. My dad, as an accountant, had a client who was a genuine book
binder. As a kid, I used to love to watch the people cutting these
pieces of leather and then stamping gold leaf letters on the freshly
made covers. Then gilding the edges, which still amazes me to no end.
That place had a scent which I will never forget.
I have most of the books I like in hard cover. I seldom buy new, and I
would rather not read paperbacks. I have all of Vonnegut, Hawkins and
Le Carr=E9 (David John Moore Cornwell) an many others in prime
condition. I'm still looking for Ken Kesey's travelogue in hard cover.
I think it was The Swingman who made a point about being able to read
in the dark whilst the missus sleeps...and auto shut-off, those are
valid points. So I'm not baling on the idea, I'm just not horny enough
to drop the bucks. ( I would want a loaded one...and that's the same
money as some Festool kinda stuff....)
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/3/2010 7:19 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>> I am starting to think that the iPad is the end of his winning streak.
>>> Then again, he's awful good at reading/creating markets. Time will
>>> tell.
>>
>> You underestimate a culture that will pay top dollar for NEW blue jeans
>> with holes and tears in them.
>>
> Just like in the 60"s.
Hey there! We most certainly did not do that in the 60's. We earned our
holes and tears in our blue jeans back then. Sure as hell never bought them
new like that.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Jan 27, 8:21=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/27/2010 7:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > On Jan 27, 6:41 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlsjU0K8QPhs
>
> >> --www.e-woodshop.net
> >> Last update: 10/22/08
> >> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> > That's some pretty funny shit right there.
>
> Nailed it! ... of all the folks here I figured you would "get it" first! =
:)
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
There's one going around which is also funny: "Sure the iPad is
lightweight and slim, but can you swim with it?"
On Feb 3, 7:11=A0am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote innews:00e46923$0$17123$=
[email protected]:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
> >news:[email protected]:
>
> >> Mmm.. try this and mind the wrap.
>
> >>http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2010-01/ipad=92s-closed-system-so=
m
> >> e times-i-hate-being-right
>
> > If that doesn't work, try this:
> >http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2010-01/ipad%E2%80%99s-closed-sys
> > tem- sometimes-i-hate-being-right
>
> > The "apostrophe" appears to be a 3-byte wide Unicode character. =A0Why
> > their software didn't encode it properly or at least use the HTML
> > equivalent, I don't know.
>
> > Puckdropper
>
> Now I got there finally via the last url.
>
> The "dystopian" future they're talking about is the Big Brother attitude
> that "We will determine what can run on our machine/software".
>
> This has both good and bad effects. =A0In the end we'll see.
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid
It is a proven business model. Sell the 'tool' for cheap, charge an
arm and a leg for the proprietary attachments.
Xerox didn't sell copiers, they sold paper and chemicals, Gilette
doesn't sell razors, they sell blades.
Steven Jobs isn't only shrewd, he's diabolical.
Which is why I don't have an iTunes account, or have an iPhone.
I am starting to think that the iPad is the end of his winning streak.
Then again, he's awful good at reading/creating markets. Time will
tell.
On Jan 31, 10:22=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0So far the only simple summary I
> can think of is "ipad--it looks cool".
That's all it takes to make it desirable. Jobs will sell millions.
It's all about style.
But, I think it missed one very important feature. Can't stick in a
DVD and watch a movie.
On Feb 2, 10:09=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/2/2010 8:57 AM, Phisherman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 05:17:14 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
> > <[email protected]> =A0wrote:
>
> >> On Feb 1, 11:17 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >>> One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>
> >>>http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
>
> >>> --www.e-woodshop.net
> >>> Last update: 10/22/08
> >>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> >> Doesn't come across all that cool on my Blackberry and is a shitload
> >> of overhead on my old laptop.
> >> Works just fine on my desktops and is kinda cool.
> >> I wonder what percentage of potential customers are still on dial-up.
>
> > Doesn't run on my PC either. =A0For a blue-chip company and the biggest
> > world restaurant chain, this is a poor excuse, poor design (they
> > should have hired me).
>
> Sorry, you missed the pointe(e), dud(e). You simply aren't cool
> anymor(e) ... the world has passed you by(e). You gotta b(e) into DMB
> and Lady Gaga to appreciat(e) subtl(e) genius, and, as always, the
> bigger the better ... particularly with regarde to your pip(e).
>
> Go have a Moon Pi(e) and a R'er Se(e) and lick your wounded feelings ...
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Whoa! Lady Gaga and DMB in the same sentence?
On 1/30/2010 5:59 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> All my Mac's will allow you to 'print' to .pdf. Handy as a bag of
> chips/pocket on a shirt.
> PDF in vector mode are far more reliable than any of the 100 .eps
> formats. It has made my workflow from Vectorworks to my CNC seamless.
Another workflow expediter is my wireless Brother printer that will
"copy" to pdf format and send it via wireless to any computer on the
network ... handy for those faxes that come in and need to be e-mailed
to someone else.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 2/3/2010 8:05 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Feb 3, 8:23 am, "Leon"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Swingman"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/2/2010 8:57 AM, Phisherman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 05:17:14 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:17 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>>
>>>>>> http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
>>
>>>>>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>>>>>> Last update: 10/22/08
>>>>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>
>>>>> Doesn't come across all that cool on my Blackberry and is a shitload
>>>>> of overhead on my old laptop.
>>>>> Works just fine on my desktops and is kinda cool.
>>>>> I wonder what percentage of potential customers are still on dial-up.
>>
>>>> Doesn't run on my PC either. For a blue-chip company and the biggest
>>>> world restaurant chain, this is a poor excuse, poor design (they
>>>> should have hired me).
>>
>>> Sorry, you missed the pointe(e), dud(e). You simply aren't cool anymor(e)
>>> ... the world has passed you by(e). You gotta b(e) into DMB and Lady Gaga
>>> to appreciat(e) subtl(e) genius, and, as always, the bigger the better ...
>>> particularly with regarde to your pip(e).
>>
>>> Go have a Moon Pi(e) and a R'er Se(e) and lick your wounded feelings ...
>>
>> Like, OMG , IDKT!
>
> I get a kick out of those who think it's a 'kid' thing with the OMG's
> etc.
>
> Remember these? From eons ago? Stuff like FTW, and the classic TTFN!
>
> TTFN!
In England, back in the sixites, it was shorthand for "ta ta for now",
or another way of saying goodbye.
Used to get a kick out of the English girls saying, "If you get a
chance, knock me up!"
Sure, darling ... at your pleasure! :)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Feb 8, 7:37=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/7/2010 11:17 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:13:00 -0600, the infamous Swingman
> > <[email protected]> =A0scrawled the following:
>
> >> The price will fall. Today the iPhone can be had for $99, down from $5=
99
> >> when originally released.
> > --snip--
>
> > Seen the new Apple iBama yet?
> >http://www.charlotteobserver.com/kevinsiers/story/1211012.html
>
> Damn ... built-in teleprompter to boot.
...complete with a "corPsman" or three.
On 2/3/2010 7:12 PM, Han wrote:
> I really like my iPhone. ANd Swingman doesn't mind that I buy his music on
> iTunes. His Request Vol II saved my sanity as I was held captive by the
> PATH system this evening ...
I like my iPod, although I don't use it as much as I used to with my
blackberry playing most of the music on it, so I only need one device,
plus the BB streams audio nicely.
I gifted my youngest with an iTouch for Christmas and was moderately
impressed with it, but it is not something I have a need for.
The majority of the songs I've purchased on iTunes are now DRM free. I
understand the driving forces behind proprietary devices, and
particularly the need to enforce intellectual property rights, but would
not buy a device that I did not have the ability to use "user created"
content.
I do think that DRM is, and will continue to be, the single biggest
hindrance to technological advance on the Internet ... it's why I think
all this optimism among the unwashed masses with regard to HTML5 is
premature. In short, content owners/providers will continue to throw
every wrench they can into the works until the vestiges of all the old,
pre digital, business models are a thing of the past. This is
particularly true of video content, which would probably be the most
appealing aspect of HTML5, IMO.
Glad you enjoy the album ... it should have been DRM free, right?
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Feb 2, 3:24=A0pm, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:a059508a-f618-4e54-a8e0-
> [email protected]:
>
> > Read this....
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/ygf34y9
>
> "Sorry, we can't find that page"
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid
Mmm.. try this and mind the wrap.
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2010-01/ipad=92s-closed-system-someti=
mes-i-hate-being-right
On Feb 8, 10:31=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 11:18=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 7:37=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On 2/7/2010 11:17 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> > > > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:13:00 -0600, the infamous Swingman
> > > > <[email protected]> =A0scrawled the following:
>
> > > >> The price will fall. Today the iPhone can be had for $99, down fro=
m $599
> > > >> when originally released.
> > > > --snip--
>
> > > > Seen the new Apple iBama yet?
> > > >http://www.charlotteobserver.com/kevinsiers/story/1211012.html
>
> > > Damn ... built-in teleprompter to boot.
>
> > ...complete with a "corPsman" or three.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dgkzwr85rTSY
If she's dumb for making a few crib notes, what do you call someone
who knows nothing without a teleprompter and very little with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZlKIfzoC8D0
On 1/30/2010 10:04 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, Swingman
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
>> to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of it.
>
> Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
> hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.
Yabbut, it's the dumb ass kiddie web designers using the wrong tool for
the job and trying to build the entire farking website with flash that
give it much of its bad name, although I agree that it, and Silverlight,
are pretty much toast for the far future.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/3/2010 7:19 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> I am starting to think that the iPad is the end of his winning streak.
>> Then again, he's awful good at reading/creating markets. Time will
>> tell.
>
> You underestimate a culture that will pay top dollar for NEW blue jeans
> with holes and tears in them.
>
Just like in the 60"s.
"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve <[email protected]> wrote in news:4b63ec3c$0$5105
> [email protected]:
>
> Have you had a chance to read a book on a Kindle? It's not worth buying
> yet, but the reading experience is quite good. (I want the DX model that
> can display PDFs. Electronic manuals on a portable device would help
> quite
> a bit when the computer's far away.)
>
> Slightly OT: PDF is usually disappointing, it can be done well but rarely
> is. Most companies scan and release documents as PDF. (That's why I call
> it Printing Document Format)
I watched with interest the Kindle however IMHO when compared to the Nook if
comes in second. The Nook also allows PDF but also allows you to upgrade
memory with off the shelf products and you can also replace the battery
yourself when the time comes. I see little desire for the current Sony.
The I-Pad seems to be more bang for your buck in so much that it appears to
be a better back lit color reader plus internet access and e-mail access
along with all the apps that can be added. Still a netbook computer can do
all of that too, for a lot less.
On 1/29/10 10:54 PM, "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Some other things not so cool:
> 1) No flash support
This is a good thing. Flash should die and be replaced by HTML 5.
> 2) Only allows you to run a single application at a time
Not completely true. On the iPhone, built in apps do multi-task, just not
third party ones.
>
> More like an iPhone on steroids than a real computer.
It doesn't seem targeted at that. It is described as a new class of device,
not a smart phone and not a laptop.
Now it may be that this new class doesn't meet your needs. I'm not convinced
that I want one myself. But recognize that Apple is pitching this as
something different.
On 1/31/10 5:07 PM, "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robert Haar wrote:
>
>> On 1/29/10 10:54 PM, "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Some other things not so cool:
>>> 1) No flash support
>>
>> This is a good thing. Flash should die and be replaced by HTML 5.
>
> That's a fine sentiment. But if someone who happens to own an iPad *now*
> (or when it really ships) and wants to view a web page *now* with content
> that is important to them *now* that just happens to include a flash vid or
> other flash content, that's more than a bit of a problem, isn't it?
It's more than a sentiment. As long as we accept bad design, there is no
incentive for companies to build good web sites. It's similar to web sites
that require the use of MSIE. I take my business elsewhere and let them know
why they lost a customer. There are very few web site that I have to use,
and for most of those, I have some ability to influence the design.
It's like the saying the the only thing necessary for evil to succeed is for
good men to do nothing.
On 1/30/2010 1:41 PM, Phisherman wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:04:29 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>
>> In article<[email protected]>, Swingman
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
>>> to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of it.
>>
>> Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
>> hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.
>
>
> I dont think the pdf format is going away, it is the standard document
> format. I have serious doubts the iPad will make it, Apple set the
> price too high (again).
The price will fall. Today the iPhone can be had for $99, down from $599
when originally released.
You're right about pdf format. I love pdf for its 'portability' in my
business.
A couple of years ago all of our invoices were sent and received via FAX.
I'd say that 98%+ are now done via e-mail in pdf format.
And with a free app like BullZip:
http://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php
... it is even easier to "pdf" documents, maps, plans, invoices,
proposals, etc.
Sure makes "doing business" easier, quicker, and a damn sight more
efficient.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 1/30/2010 2:22 AM, Steve wrote:
> On 2010-01-29 22:54:20 -0500, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> said:
>
>> Some other things not so cool:
>> 1) No flash support
>
> Flash is the largest cause of freezes in web browsing. Now, If we're
> also going to kick about Apple's DRM controlling/limiting access to the
> known world, it's worth noting that Flash is proprietary to Adobe.
>
> Plus, Flash just generally sucks, even when used in other Abobe
> products. http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/
According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of it.
http://www.crankygeeks.com/2010/01/episode_203_apple_ipad_tablet.php
I personally think the iPad, or more to the point, its future
iterations, may have a better shot at overall acceptance as an e-book
reader, among its many other capabilities, than the Kindle or Nook in
the long run.
I've been into e-book reader technology since the early 90's and am
continually amazed at the re-inventing of the wheel of the likes of
Amazon, B&N, and Sony, and their failure to take the past "lessons
learned" of Nuvo Media, Franklin and GemStar into account in their
current business models.
In my opinion, the iTunes store, with its content delivery, will make
the difference with the iPad, despite the DRM concerns.
I have two albums myself for sale on iTunes, and a number in which I was
involved in the production, and have been more than happy with their
returns with Apple's "DRM free" performance on Itunes.
It should also lend itself to future use in schools, with textbook
content a likely possibility, and with a much better chance of adherence
to the ADA than the current crop of devices.
I also like the fact that the iPad is NOT e-ink technology. The LED
screen means I can view it at night, in bed, without a separate night
light, and that it will turn itself off after a period of non use. It is
also more eco friendly ... IME, it's the little 'convenience of use'
issues like that can make the difference between success and failure
with this type of technology.
Basically, it appears to me that the iPad could well be the first step
on the path to making this type of techology, and it benefits, ubiquitous.
Jobs, unlike other players in the game, seems to always build upon past
successes ... it is this "standing on the shoulders of the giants who
came before" that seperate his particular vision from the pack, like him
or not.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 1/31/2010 4:28 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> Given the chatter over the past few years about how Apple needs to make
> a tablet, I wonder why nobody else has stepped into the gap and started
> making and marketing them? It's not like the Interweb hasn't been full
> of pundits and bloggers screaming about the need for such a product...
>
> Maybe they were waiting for a company that actually knows how to
> innovate to create a market they can try to grab a small piece of?
IMO, this guy pretty well hits the nail on the head:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/entelligence-lessons-from-the-ipad-launch/
As I said in another post, building on what went before is one of
Apple's strong suits, but much better explained above.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 1/27/2010 7:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Jan 27, 6:41 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs
>>>
>>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>>> Last update: 10/22/08
>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>
>> That's some pretty funny shit right there.
>
> Nailed it! ... of all the folks here I figured you would "get it" first!
> :)
But does it prevent "estrogen puddles" ? :~)
Steve wrote:
> On 2010-01-29 22:54:20 -0500, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> said:
>
>> Some other things not so cool:
>> 1) No flash support
>
> Flash is the largest cause of freezes in web browsing. Now, If we're
> also going to kick about Apple's DRM controlling/limiting access to the
> known world, it's worth noting that Flash is proprietary to Adobe.
>
> Plus, Flash just generally sucks, even when used in other Abobe
> products. http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/
>
While that may be true, the fact that a significant portion of web
content is distributed via flash (i.e, YouTube, Viddler, various news
videos), not supporting flash is somewhat debilitating to those using this
device for web browsing.
> As of yet, iPod on steroids is a fair summation of the first (and as
> yet not on the market) generation iPad. It's not intended as a
> computer; it's an information appliance that fits between two market
> segments -- the smart phone and the laptop. And Apple has lined up 5
> major publishers, and has brought a ray of hope to magazine and
> newspaper publishers.
>
> http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/various_ipad_thoughts
> http://speirs.org/blog/2010/1/29/future-shock.html
> http://cruftbox.com/blog/archives/001592.html#001592
>
> In spite of all that, I doubt I'll be buying an iPad. I know I won't be
> buying a Kindle. I prefer my books on real real paper, not on aetheric
> vapours.
>
> But let's see how it shakes out.
>
> BTW, Sun Microsystems (remember them?) is history.
... and how Oracle will control both the opensource database and Java are
going to be quite interesting. Larry Ellison is not known for open-ness
--
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Rob Leatham
On 2/7/2010 11:17 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:13:00 -0600, the infamous Swingman
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>> The price will fall. Today the iPhone can be had for $99, down from $599
>> when originally released.
> --snip--
>
> Seen the new Apple iBama yet?
> http://www.charlotteobserver.com/kevinsiers/story/1211012.html
Damn ... built-in teleprompter to boot.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 2/3/2010 9:03 AM, CW wrote:
>
> "Swingman"wrote in message
>> You underestimate a culture that will pay top dollar for NEW blue
>> jeans with holes and tears in them.
>>
> Just like in the 60"s.
In the sixties idiots had to make their own rips and tears, they didn't
pay more than the cost of a new pair without rips and tears. Children of
idiot's children are observably more idiotic.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 2/2/2010 8:57 AM, Phisherman wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 05:17:14 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 1, 11:17 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>>>
>>> http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
>>>
>>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>>> Last update: 10/22/08
>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>
>> Doesn't come across all that cool on my Blackberry and is a shitload
>> of overhead on my old laptop.
>> Works just fine on my desktops and is kinda cool.
>> I wonder what percentage of potential customers are still on dial-up.
>
>
> Doesn't run on my PC either. For a blue-chip company and the biggest
> world restaurant chain, this is a poor excuse, poor design (they
> should have hired me).
Sorry, you missed the pointe(e), dud(e). You simply aren't cool
anymor(e) ... the world has passed you by(e). You gotta b(e) into DMB
and Lady Gaga to appreciat(e) subtl(e) genius, and, as always, the
bigger the better ... particularly with regarde to your pip(e).
Go have a Moon Pi(e) and a R'er Se(e) and lick your wounded feelings ...
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 1/30/2010 11:58 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Steve<[email protected]> wrote in news:4b63ec3c$0$5105
> [email protected]:
>
> *snip*
>
>>
>> In spite of all that, I doubt I'll be buying an iPad. I know I won't be
>> buying a Kindle. I prefer my books on real real paper, not on aetheric
>> vapours.
>>
>
> *snip*
>
> Have you had a chance to read a book on a Kindle? It's not worth buying
> yet, but the reading experience is quite good. (I want the DX model that
> can display PDFs. Electronic manuals on a portable device would help quite
> a bit when the computer's far away.)
I'm not impressed with the Kindle in the least. The Nook, because it is
more format options, would get the edge at the moment, but that
notwithstanding, neither of these johnny-come-lately's "get it", IMO.
In 1998 I purchased four, for our company's two tech personnel, as well
as myself and partner, of Nuvo Media's "Rocket eBook" to store and read
html tech documents, including all Internet RFC's, and DNS/BIND
documents ... it worked out very well for the next seven years and we
were still using them when we shut company down in 2005.
(I also used mine onstage a time or two for chord charts ...worked out
great on a dimly lit stage ... and to this day I read on it nightly, in
bed, getting all my content for the last ten years from Project Gutenberg)
Ideally, these thing should be like razors ... the device itself should
be free, and you buy the content.
They should all be non-proprietary as to format, allowing pdf, html,
and, _above all_, *user created* content to be used.
This will happen ... the problem now is freeing the archaic thought
process/business model of the "publishers" of the world.
That's why I think Apple's iTunes model, which showed music publishers
that another way of doing business was not going to put them out of
business, may play a pivotal role in the acceptance of these devices.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 2/2/2010 8:35 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> That site has complete disregard for the little guy who doesn't have
> the bandwidth/speed to enjoy that website.
> It is always the little guy who gets the bad seats in the arena.
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> :-)
> (in case you were wondering if I was being serious or not)
;)
Besides, today's top web designers are all twenty somethings ... they
have NO concept of "regard(e?)" ... and couldn't spell it if they did. :)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:6cd344ea-36c7-4e65-b9b8-
[email protected]:
> On Jan 31, 10:22 am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> So far the only simple summary I
>> can think of is "ipad--it looks cool".
>
> That's all it takes to make it desirable. Jobs will sell millions.
> It's all about style.
> But, I think it missed one very important feature. Can't stick in a
> DVD and watch a movie.
What's a DVD?
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email address is invalid
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:a059508a-f618-4e54-a8e0-
[email protected]:
> Read this....
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ygf34y9
>
"Sorry, we can't find that page"
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email address is invalid
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> Mmm.. try this and mind the wrap.
>>
>> http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2010-01/ipads-closed-system-som
>> e times-i-hate-being-right
>
> If that doesn't work, try this:
> http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2010-01/ipad%E2%80%99s-closed-sys
> tem- sometimes-i-hate-being-right
>
> The "apostrophe" appears to be a 3-byte wide Unicode character. Why
> their software didn't encode it properly or at least use the HTML
> equivalent, I don't know.
>
> Puckdropper
Now I got there finally via the last url.
The "dystopian" future they're talking about is the Big Brother attitude
that "We will determine what can run on our machine/software".
This has both good and bad effects. In the end we'll see.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:6c4756ce-fa5f-45d3-8de1-
[email protected]:
> It is a proven business model. Sell the 'tool' for cheap, charge an
> arm and a leg for the proprietary attachments.
> Xerox didn't sell copiers, they sold paper and chemicals, Gilette
> doesn't sell razors, they sell blades.
> Steven Jobs isn't only shrewd, he's diabolical.
> Which is why I don't have an iTunes account, or have an iPhone.
> I am starting to think that the iPad is the end of his winning streak.
> Then again, he's awful good at reading/creating markets. Time will
> tell.
As long as I get out of it what I want ...
I really like my iPhone. ANd Swingman doesn't mind that I buy his music on
iTunes. His Request Vol II saved my sanity as I was held captive by the
PATH system this evening ...
--
Best regards
Han
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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Glad you enjoy the album ... it should have been DRM free, right?
>
Yes!!! And yes.
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Best regards
Han
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On Jan 27, 6:41=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlsjU0K8QPhs
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Read this....
http://tinyurl.com/ygf34y9
On Jan 30, 5:13=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/30/2010 1:41 PM, Phisherman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:04:29 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> > <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> =A0wrote:
>
> >> In article<[email protected]>, Swingman
> >> <[email protected]> =A0wrote:
>
> >>> According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dyi=
ng
> >>> to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none =
of it.
>
> >> Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
> >> hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.
>
> > I dont think the pdf format is going away, it is the standard document
> > format. =A0I have serious doubts the iPad will make it, Apple set the
> > price too high (again).
>
> The price will fall. Today the iPhone can be had for $99, down from $599
> when originally released.
>
> You're right about pdf format. I love pdf for its 'portability' in my
> business.
>
> A couple of years ago all of our invoices were sent and received via FAX.
>
> I'd say that 98%+ are now done via e-mail in pdf format.
>
> And with a free app like BullZip:
>
> http://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php
>
> ... it is even easier to "pdf" documents, maps, plans, invoices,
> proposals, etc.
>
> Sure makes "doing business" easier, quicker, and a damn sight more
> efficient.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
All my Mac's will allow you to 'print' to .pdf. Handy as a bag of
chips/pocket on a shirt.
PDF in vector mode are far more reliable than any of the 100 .eps
formats. It has made my workflow from Vectorworks to my CNC seamless.
On Feb 9, 12:39=A0am, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 11:18=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Feb 8, 7:37=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > On 2/7/2010 11:17 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> >> > > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:13:00 -0600, the infamous Swingman
> >> > > <[email protected]> =A0scrawled the following:
>
> >> > >> The price will fall. Today the iPhone can be had for $99, down fr=
om
> >> > >> $599 when originally released.
> >> > > --snip--
>
> >> > > Seen the new Apple iBama yet?
> >> > >http://www.charlotteobserver.com/kevinsiers/story/1211012.html
>
> >> > Damn ... built-in teleprompter to boot.
>
> >> ...complete with a "corPsman" or three.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dgkzwr85rTSY
>
> =A0 That's the best you've got? =A0
LOL...hardly.
On Jan 30, 7:04=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/30/2010 5:59 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > All my Mac's will allow you to 'print' to .pdf. Handy as a bag of
> > chips/pocket on a shirt.
> > PDF in vector mode are far more reliable than any of the 100 .eps
> > formats. It has made my workflow from Vectorworks to my CNC seamless.
>
> Another workflow expediter is my wireless Brother printer that will
> "copy" to pdf format and send it via wireless to any computer on the
> network ... handy for those faxes that come in and need to be e-mailed
> to someone else.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Indeedie. PDF's have simplified my life reliably, effectively and
these days justabout anybody can open them.
Well done Adobe.
I cannot say that I am too impressed with Adobe in other areas, but
that is for another thread.
hint: I own all current licenses for Illustrator and Photoshop...but
for my macs. Now that my CNC has pushed me into running PC gear, do
you think those Adobe people would simply issue me a couple of
licenses so that I can run my paid-for software on the platform of my
choice?
On Feb 3, 8:23=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2/2/2010 8:57 AM, Phisherman wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 05:17:14 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
> >> <[email protected]> =A0wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 1, 11:17 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >>>> One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>
> >>>>http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
>
> >>>> --www.e-woodshop.net
> >>>> Last update: 10/22/08
> >>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> >>> Doesn't come across all that cool on my Blackberry and is a shitload
> >>> of overhead on my old laptop.
> >>> Works just fine on my desktops and is kinda cool.
> >>> I wonder what percentage of potential customers are still on dial-up.
>
> >> Doesn't run on my PC either. =A0For a blue-chip company and the bigges=
t
> >> world restaurant chain, this is a poor excuse, poor design (they
> >> should have hired me).
>
> > Sorry, you missed the pointe(e), dud(e). You simply aren't cool anymor(=
e)
> > ... the world has passed you by(e). You gotta b(e) into DMB and Lady Ga=
ga
> > to appreciat(e) subtl(e) genius, and, as always, the bigger the better =
...
> > particularly with regarde to your pip(e).
>
> > Go have a Moon Pi(e) and a R'er Se(e) and lick your wounded feelings ..=
.
>
> Like, =A0 OMG , IDKT!
I get a kick out of those who think it's a 'kid' thing with the OMG's
etc.
Remember these? From eons ago? Stuff like FTW, and the classic TTFN!
TTFN!
Robert Haar wrote:
> On 1/29/10 10:54 PM, "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Some other things not so cool:
>> 1) No flash support
>
> This is a good thing. Flash should die and be replaced by HTML 5.
That's a fine sentiment. But if someone who happens to own an iPad *now*
(or when it really ships) and wants to view a web page *now* with content
that is important to them *now* that just happens to include a flash vid or
other flash content, that's more than a bit of a problem, isn't it?
>
>> 2) Only allows you to run a single application at a time
>
> Not completely true. On the iPhone, built in apps do multi-task, just not
> third party ones.
>
Again, this is all well and good if everything one is wanting to do
happens to be built-in.
>>
>> More like an iPhone on steroids than a real computer.
>
> It doesn't seem targeted at that. It is described as a new class of
> device, not a smart phone and not a laptop.
>
> Now it may be that this new class doesn't meet your needs. I'm not
> convinced that I want one myself. But recognize that Apple is pitching
> this as something different.
Then they need to start making a case for how this new wonderful thing
that doesn't do what people expect is really better because of the different
things it does do. Hopefully for Apple, those different things people can
do are things that people want to do.
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
On Jan 27, 6:41=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlsjU0K8QPhs
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
That's some pretty funny shit right there.
On Feb 1, 11:17=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>
> http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Doesn't come across all that cool on my Blackberry and is a shitload
of overhead on my old laptop.
Works just fine on my desktops and is kinda cool.
I wonder what percentage of potential customers are still on dial-up.
In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> AFAIC, it still is. Searching for stray characters it misses takes
> longer than retyping the page.
I've been amazed at what Acrobat can pull out of a scanned file saved
as a PDF, actually. Well above 99% accuracy most times.
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:13:06 -0500, the infamous "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Steve wrote:
>> On 2010-01-30 19:26:49 -0500, Dave Balderstone
>> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
>>
>>> PDF has its place, but the web isn't it.
>>
>> Not for display online, perhaps, but it's remarkably efficient for
>> transporting gobs of data, even it that data began as TIFFs. I was
>> able to download a 400+ -page book yesterday, OCR it, and have a
>> searchable file in about a half-hour. How long would it have taken to
>> page through a paper document? How long would it have taken to page
>> through the PDF? A lot longer than the searchable PDF, though the
>> paper document would have have been quicker than non-searchable PDF.
>>
>> But enough of this -- let's go make sawdust!
>
>Broadband has made PDFs much more useful, but a lot of us have not-fond
>memories of having do download some immense file over a 300 baud connection,
>in its entirety, before we could begin looking for the one lousy line of
>information we needed.
I started with a screaming fast modem, 1,200 baud. I remember
marveling at the zoomy 1-character-per-second speed, yelonblk text
showing on the huge 14" monitor! Thank Crom that's no longer the
norm. Can you imagine having to download these huge spams at that
speed, paying for phone time the whole way? There'd have been
lynchings. (IMHO, there still should be.)
>And OCR? That was worthless until desktops hit Cray speed.
AFAIC, it still is. Searching for stray characters it misses takes
longer than retyping the page.
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2010-01-29 22:54:20 -0500, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> said:
>
>> Some other things not so cool:
>> 1) No flash support
>
> Flash is the largest cause of freezes in web browsing. Now, If we're also
> going to kick about Apple's DRM controlling/limiting access to the known
> world, it's worth noting that Flash is proprietary to Adobe.
>
> Plus, Flash just generally sucks, even when used in other Abobe products.
> http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/
>
> As of yet, iPod on steroids is a fair summation of the first (and as yet
> not on the market) generation iPad. It's not intended as a computer; it's
> an information appliance
IT'S TWO, ***TWO*** APPLIANCES IN ONE!!
And, if you order before midnight we'll send you absolutely free this
$19.95 HF knockoff of a SawStop!! Yes, That's Right!! Just pay the low S&H
of $2495.00.
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
> news:300120101004293926%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>> In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is
>>> dying to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will
>>> have none of it.
>>
>> Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
>> hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.
>
> I recently had to order some items by phone because the website kept
> freezing. Infact I could only research the items on an old site that
> ran glacially slow. When discussing this problem with the lady on the
> phone she said tha the problem had started six weeks ago and their
> "webguy" couldn't figure out the problem. They were worried because
> of all the complaints and decreased sales.
>
> I asked her if they had any design work done on their website
> recently. And, of course, the "image overhaul" got done just before
> the problems started. And these geniuses did not make the connection.
> Duhhhh......
>
> I mentioned that I got some error messages concerning Flash. I told
> her a couple Flash horror stories. She had never heard of Flash
> before. I also told her that many designers were in love with Flash
> and were pissing people off all over the place. And not to expect
> them to be honest about it. She was frantically writing notes and was
> going to take it to her boss. The boss was getting upset that the web
> people were not solving the problem.
>
> A classic example of an artsy fartsy designer screwing it up for
> everybody. Hopefully they will take this"web designer" out and shoot
> him. The world will be a better place for all of us.
Far as I'm concerned Adobe is the antichrist for foisting Flash and the PDF
and Postscript off on an unsuspecting world, but that ship has sailed,
they've won, and any viable system has to be able to cope with them in the
modern world. Maybe Osama will fly a plane into them or something but until
that happens we're stuck with their crap.
Steve wrote:
> On 2010-01-30 19:26:49 -0500, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:
>
>> PDF has its place, but the web isn't it.
>
> Not for display online, perhaps, but it's remarkably efficient for
> transporting gobs of data, even it that data began as TIFFs. I was
> able to download a 400+ -page book yesterday, OCR it, and have a
> searchable file in about a half-hour. How long would it have taken to
> page through a paper document? How long would it have taken to page
> through the PDF? A lot longer than the searchable PDF, though the
> paper document would have have been quicker than non-searchable PDF.
>
> But enough of this -- let's go make sawdust!
Broadband has made PDFs much more useful, but a lot of us have not-fond
memories of having do download some immense file over a 300 baud connection,
in its entirety, before we could begin looking for the one lousy line of
information we needed.
And OCR? That was worthless until desktops hit Cray speed.
Robert Haar wrote:
> On 1/29/10 10:54 PM, "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Some other things not so cool:
>> 1) No flash support
>
> This is a good thing. Flash should die and be replaced by HTML 5.
When the browsers that most people use support it then perhaps it will come
into widespread use.
>> 2) Only allows you to run a single application at a time
>
> Not completely true. On the iPhone, built in apps do multi-task, just
> not third party ones.
Didn't those morons learn anything from the pre-OSX Mac?
>> More like an iPhone on steroids than a real computer.
>
> It doesn't seem targeted at that. It is described as a new class of
> device, not a smart phone and not a laptop.
>
> Now it may be that this new class doesn't meet your needs. I'm not
> convinced that I want one myself. But recognize that Apple is
> pitching this as something different.
But what? If they can't tell you what it does for you in a single sentence
then they're fighting an uphill battle. So far the only simple summary I
can think of is "ipad--it looks cool".
Steve wrote:
> On 2010-01-31 17:07:39 -0500, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]>
> said:
>
>> But if someone who happens to own an iPad *now* (or when it really
>> ships) and wants to view a web page *now* with content that is
>> important to them *now* that just happens to include a flash vid or
>> other flash content, that's more than a bit of a problem, isn't it?
>
> You don't have to wait for your iPad to see video without the noxious
> stench of Flash. HTML5 specs implementation by browser:
>
> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Implementations_in_Web_browsers
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_(HTML5)
That's nice. So what if the video you need to look at is not in HTML5?
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:13:00 -0600, the infamous Swingman
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>The price will fall. Today the iPhone can be had for $99, down from $599
>>when originally released.
> --snip--
>
> Seen the new Apple iBama yet?
> http://www.charlotteobserver.com/kevinsiers/story/1211012.html
Does it have the speeches to kindergarteners?
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 05:17:14 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Feb 1, 11:17 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>>
>> http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 10/22/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
>Doesn't come across all that cool on my Blackberry and is a shitload
>of overhead on my old laptop.
>Works just fine on my desktops and is kinda cool.
>I wonder what percentage of potential customers are still on dial-up.
Doesn't run on my PC either. For a blue-chip company and the biggest
world restaurant chain, this is a poor excuse, poor design (they
should have hired me).
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:17:35 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>
>http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
There's a sayin in AA which seems to fit here:
"Some are sicker than others."
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
On 1/27/2010 7:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Jan 27, 6:41 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 10/22/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> That's some pretty funny shit right there.
Nailed it! ... of all the folks here I figured you would "get it" first! :)
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:04:29 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
>> to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of it.
>
>Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
>hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.
I dont think the pdf format is going away, it is the standard document
format. I have serious doubts the iPad will make it, Apple set the
price too high (again).
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:57:03 -0500, the infamous Phisherman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 05:17:14 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 1, 11:17 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> One of the coolest websites on the web today:
>>>
>>> http://www1.mcdonalds.com/mccafe/
>>>
>>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>>> Last update: 10/22/08
>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>
>>Doesn't come across all that cool on my Blackberry and is a shitload
>>of overhead on my old laptop.
>>Works just fine on my desktops and is kinda cool.
>>I wonder what percentage of potential customers are still on dial-up.
>
>
>Doesn't run on my PC either. For a blue-chip company and the biggest
>world restaurant chain, this is a poor excuse, poor design (they
>should have hired me).
I'd have given them their money's worth, too.
I got 3 words from each actor before 45 seconds of buffering EACH
TIME, and I'm on DSL.
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/3/2010 7:19 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> I am starting to think that the iPad is the end of his winning streak.
>> Then again, he's awful good at reading/creating markets. Time will
>> tell.
>
>You underestimate a culture that will pay top dollar for NEW blue jeans
>with holes and tears in them.
??? how can one _under_-estimate such a culture? <evil grin>
On 2/3/2010 7:19 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> I am starting to think that the iPad is the end of his winning streak.
> Then again, he's awful good at reading/creating markets. Time will
> tell.
You underestimate a culture that will pay top dollar for NEW blue jeans
with holes and tears in them.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:04:29 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> scrawled the following:
>In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
>> to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of it.
>
>Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
>hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.
Small Flash animations are fine. Flash sites suck the big one.
--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw
Robatoy wrote:
> On Feb 8, 11:18Â am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 7:37Â am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > On 2/7/2010 11:17 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> > > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:13:00 -0600, the infamous Swingman
>> > > <[email protected]> Â scrawled the following:
>>
>> > >> The price will fall. Today the iPhone can be had for $99, down from
>> > >> $599 when originally released.
>> > > --snip--
>>
>> > > Seen the new Apple iBama yet?
>> > >http://www.charlotteobserver.com/kevinsiers/story/1211012.html
>>
>> > Damn ... built-in teleprompter to boot.
>>
>> ...complete with a "corPsman" or three.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkzwr85rTSY
That's the best you've got? 3 bullet points written on her palm from
which she was able to construct an entire coherent speech? As opposed to a
full teleprompter setup from which we get "CorpseMan" and other nonsense?
Pretty weak tea there
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:13:00 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>The price will fall. Today the iPhone can be had for $99, down from $599
>when originally released.
--snip--
Seen the new Apple iBama yet?
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/kevinsiers/story/1211012.html
--
We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves
after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
-- Marcel Proust
Morris Dovey wrote:
> On 1/27/2010 5:41 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs
>
> Funny - and there is this, which isn't...
>
> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ipad
>
Kind of like the Kindle, eh?
Some other things not so cool:
1) No flash support
2) Only allows you to run a single application at a time
More like an iPhone on steroids than a real computer.
From the name to the features, this doesn't seem like one of Apple's best
thought-out ideas. Come on, *nobody* in marketing thought through the
implications of naming this the "iPad"?
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
"Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:6c4756ce-fa5f-45d3-8de1-
> [email protected]:
>
>> It is a proven business model. Sell the 'tool' for cheap, charge an
>> arm and a leg for the proprietary attachments.
>> Xerox didn't sell copiers, they sold paper and chemicals, Gilette
>> doesn't sell razors, they sell blades.
>> Steven Jobs isn't only shrewd, he's diabolical.
>> Which is why I don't have an iTunes account, or have an iPhone.
>> I am starting to think that the iPad is the end of his winning streak.
>> Then again, he's awful good at reading/creating markets. Time will
>> tell.
>
> As long as I get out of it what I want ...
> I really like my iPhone. ANd Swingman doesn't mind that I buy his music
> on
> iTunes. His Request Vol II saved my sanity as I was held captive by the
> PATH system this evening ...
>
I'm not a fan of that type of music but I can appreciate when something is
well done. Good aren't they?