Burbank, CA To Long Beach, CA

On Jul 17, 10:34=A0am, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 17, 9:23=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 7/17/2011 8:49 AM, RonB wrote:
>
> > > The rest of the nation just copes!
>
> > No kidding ... even Casey Anthony is starting to feel ignored.
>
> No Kidding! =A0She should have never been the subject of a national news
> story.
>
> The only good thing that came from that trial is that Nancy Grace
> ended up with ear-to-ear egg on her face. =A0She started the trial
> before there was even a body.
>
> RonB

.....and as I mentioned before, nancy grace was the reason that
Anthony got decent legal help, and the DA overreached in the charges.

On Jul 17, 9:23=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 7/17/2011 8:49 AM, RonB wrote:

>
> > The rest of the nation just copes!
>
> No kidding ... even Casey Anthony is starting to feel ignored.
>

No Kidding! She should have never been the subject of a national news
story.

The only good thing that came from that trial is that Nancy Grace
ended up with ear-to-ear egg on her face. She started the trial
before there was even a body.

RonB

[email protected] wrote:

> We drove to Vermont (2600mi, round trip) for our 40th (also, to see
> the kid), rather than fly. TSA was a considerable part of that
> decision.

Don't know all of the factors that went into your decision, but a 2600 mile
trip seems like it's with the flight. But then again - we each have our own
definitions. For me, it's a breakpoint of about 5 hours. If I can drive
there in 5 hours, I feel like I'm better off doing so. If it's over that,
then I elect to fly. Just my figuring....

--

-Mike-
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-MIKE- wrote:

>
> That's right where I'm at... maybe another hour. It's funny how when
> you travel for a living, your toleration for drive length goes up. I
> used to dread the 3.5hr drive from SE OH up to Cleveland. Now, I
> hardly blink at anything under 6hrs.
> ...and 3.5? Sheesh, I don't even need a bathroom stop. :-)

3.5 hours without a pee stop???? How the hell do you do that? Hell I can't
make it an hour...

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-Mike-
[email protected]

Leon wrote:

> It was an unfair challenge, they both had to use only bike paths
> and/or surface streets. Suppose they both had to float on air, then
> who would win?

Or... suppose they both had to arrive resonably sweat-free, to attend a
business meeting - what would that schedule have looked like?

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You will soon discover that many of these troll types, here, are all the
same person attempting to bring the group to it's knees. Demonstrates it's
success for the people really needing help or showing off! The trolls
demonstrate the person behind it is losing perceived control of the
destruction process. Careful of cloned nicknames too.

All the best

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"Steve" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Larry, do you have trouble reading? Lew was reporting an amusingly
ironic bit of news (or an ironic bit of promotion), not touting this
one-off event as anything like a viable solution.

One further bit of irony -- the Disaster Brought Forth by Carmageddon
matched the Disaster Brought Forth by the Y2K Bug, and for the same
reason: preparation and planning.

Go plonk yerself. <G>


On 2011-07-17 10:30:02 -0400, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> said:

So, why is Lew promoting jetting 40 miles, and when did Lew stop
gasping over the price of fuel? I finally had to plonk him about the
third week into his daily tirades.

Democrats, total discontinuity incarnate.

On 7/17/2011 7:37 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Jul 17, 10:30 am, Larry Jaques<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:47:16 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:

>>
>>
>>> On 7/17/2011 12:34 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>> Burbank and Long Beach are both suburbs of Los Angeles, both have
>>>> commercial airports, and are about 40 miles apart.
>>
>>>> This weekend, the closure of I-405 has had a definite impact on how
>>>> you would travel to get to either airport.
>>
>>>> Up steps Jet Blue and offers a $4 one way fare between Bob Hope
>>>> airport (Burbank) and Long Beach airport on Saturday only.
>>
>>>> Would have been a nice promotion except for one thing.
>>
>>>> A bicycle club offers a challenge.
>>
>>>> A race between a jet plane and a bicycle using only bike paths and/or
>>>> surface streets.
>>
>>>> The bicycle completed the race in 90 minutes, handily winning the
>>>> race.
>>
>>> Imagine a jet airplane using only bike paths and/or surface streets. No
>>> wonder the bile won.
>>
>> So, why is Lew promoting jetting 40 miles, and when did Lew stop
>> gasping over the price of fuel? I finally had to plonk him about the
>> third week into his daily tirades.
>
> Lew posted about a bicycle beating a plane. How do you construe that
> to mean he's now promoting jetting 40 miles or being okay with gas at
> $4/gallon? I read pretty much the exact opposite.
>
> R

What Lew didn't tell you is that the bicycle group left 90 minutes
BEFORE the scheduled departure time of the plane (to simulate the time
spent going through the entire boarding process, to include security
checks, etc.), and that the group agreed to meet a bicycle club member
who took the flight at a local park somewhat in the vicinity of the
destination airport... said member who had to take a cab from the
airport to the park, through less than ideal traffic conditions...

-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

[..]

>I can take as much with me as I want. I can bring back as much Great
>Lakes beer as I want. :-) I can stop and poop anywhere I want on the way
>up and I'm locked locked inside a giant, musty, hot, stink can with a
>bunch of farting, crying, inconsiderate, travelers.

..and you are not charged excess baggage for that
stick of red cedar! One stick!

Assuming there is a *not* indeed missing in your
"locked locked"[sic] :-)

There is absolutely no reason why aero cabins have
to be how they make them.. fouled cesspits of spent
beans and diaper disasters, yet the airline insist.
Like you it is for those reasons (you cite) I would rather
17" hours in a car to 4hrs (total) aero travel.
On that you got my vote!

This too.. from the Muso.. is "nail hammer head" stuff.
"AAMOF, if you've ever worked cattle on a ranch,
you will immediately recognize the scenario/method.".
Substitute with "sheep" and ditto applies "down under".
george

On 2011-07-17 10:30:02 -0400, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> said:

> So, why is Lew promoting jetting 40 miles, and when did Lew stop
> gasping over the price of fuel? I finally had to plonk him about the
> third week into his daily tirades.
>
> Democrats, total discontinuity incarnate.

Larry, do you have trouble reading? Lew was reporting an amusingly
ironic bit of news (or an ironic bit of promotion), not touting this
one-off event as anything like a viable solution.

One further bit of irony -- the Disaster Brought Forth by Carmageddon
matched the Disaster Brought Forth by the Y2K Bug, and for the same
reason: preparation and planning.

Go plonk yerself. <G>

Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2011-07-17 10:30:02 -0400, Larry Jaques
><[email protected]> said:
>
>> So, why is Lew promoting jetting 40 miles, and when did Lew stop
>> gasping over the price of fuel? I finally had to plonk him about the
>> third week into his daily tirades.
>>
>> Democrats, total discontinuity incarnate.
>
>Larry, do you have trouble reading?

.. ripe for the plucking, I say.

I can only recommend some light reading.
"Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs"
Dave Grossman
an excerpt is here:
http://www.copthetruth.com/cop_the_truth/2009/06/sunday-best-on-sheep-wolves-and-sheepdogs.html

>
>Go plonk yerself. <G>
>
Careful.. Larry is a sensitive type sheep<g>
george

"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Steve" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>Larry, do you have trouble reading? Lew was reporting an amusingly
>>ironic bit of news (or an ironic bit of promotion), not touting this
>>one-off event as anything like a viable solution.
>>
>>One further bit of irony -- the Disaster Brought Forth by Carmageddon
>>matched the Disaster Brought Forth by the Y2K Bug, and for the same
>>reason: preparation and planning.
>>
>>Go plonk yerself. <G>

>You will soon discover that many of these troll types, here, are all the
>same person attempting to bring the group to it's knees.
>
and that would be...?

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Yeah.. correct. YOU.


>Demonstrates it's success for the people really needing help or showing off!
>
Have another go at phrasing what you really want to 'say'.
You must have swallowed the worm in the bottle to have
come up with that line!


>The trolls demonstrate the person behind it is losing perceived control of the
>destruction process.
>
Guilt?
I agree you really fark posts up.. often.
Using whatever name takes your hallucination to text.

>Careful of cloned nicknames too.
>
heh.. try another deflection. YOU post what YOU post.
Sad as it is you do earn your jollies.

>All the best
>
What's that?
The "shrug" that goes with the lie, I say.
george

On 7/17/2011 8:49 AM, RonB wrote:
> On Jul 17, 12:34 am, "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> It is amazing how much publicity this has gotten on a world-wide
> basis. "Carmageddon" has, at one time or another, held top-line
> coverage on many of the web news pages (CNN, MSNBC, etc). It has, at
> times, overshadowed the Budget crisis, war, and other stories that are
> of national or world concern. I can assure you that MOST people in
> the US could not POSSIBLY care less about a LA area traffic problem.
> Seems like any inconvenience in southern CA or NY gets top bill.
>
> The rest of the nation just copes!

No kidding ... even Casey Anthony is starting to feel ignored.


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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:09:06 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Jul 17, 1:53 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 7/17/2011 12:26 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>> > 5.5hrs to get where I can drive in 6.5. Even I practice my "experienced
>> > traveler" habits of not checking baggage, arriving at airport 1/2hr
>> > before takeoff, I'm realistically looking at at least 4hrs travel time.
>> > But that doesn't take into account all the stress and BS involved with
>> > flying these days and pressing your luck arriving just in time at the
>> > airport. That doesn't take into account that now I have to find rides to
>> > and from both airports, and borrow a car while I'm in OH. With driving,
>> > I can take as much with me as I want. I can bring back as much Great
>> > Lakes beer as I want. :-) I can stop and poop anywhere I want on the way
>> > up and I'm locked locked inside a giant, musty, hot, stink can with a
>> > bunch of farting, crying, inconsiderate, travelers.
>>
>> In the distant past, and arranging for the backline to be there in
>> advance, I could fly to a gig with a backpack for the overhead, and a
>> bass in a gig bag that would hang, with a smile from the "stewardess",
>> in the cabin's coat compartment.
>>
>> Try that today and you will waste at least an hour with security and
>> another 30 minutes arguing with a caveman mentality with no authority
>> except what's granted in the handbook.
>>
>> Passengers today are walking baggage, insulated from corporate airline
>> management by purposely hired drones barely more sentient than their
>> computer terminals, and chuted through the entire process like cattle on
>> the way to slaughter. AAMOF, if you've ever worked cattle on a ranch,
>> you will immediately recognize the scenario/method.
>>
>> Personally for me, flying in this country, at one time a convenience
>> worth the price, is no longer an option if there is any possible
>> alternative.
>>
>
>There you have it. I was going to fly to my sister's funeral. By the
>time I had my timing/course of action figured out, word came that a
>LOT of people were going to the funeral. From all over the planet. My
>nieces and nephew thought it would be better if Angela and I made a
>drive after 'the zoo' has cleared. IOW, after the funeral. That way,
>we could come together, by car, take our time, and have the kids al to
>ourselves—there'd be very little chance to hang out during the
>funeral.
>I have flow lots in my day, last trip at Christmas, but I can't
>reconcile the (Godwin alert) treatment we now have to endure by the
>hands of the Gestapo. I will not expose myself to the robot-like
>drones who have permission to grab my junk. Fuck that noise.
>So after my mom passes away, we'll be on the road for a considerable
>journey which may take almost anywhere is the US of A.

We drove to Vermont (2600mi, round trip) for our 40th (also, to see the kid),
rather than fly. TSA was a considerable part of that decision.

On Jul 17, 1:53=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 7/17/2011 12:26 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
> > 5.5hrs to get where I can drive in 6.5. Even I practice my "experienced
> > traveler" habits of not checking baggage, arriving at airport 1/2hr
> > before takeoff, I'm realistically looking at at least 4hrs travel time.
> > But that doesn't take into account all the stress and BS involved with
> > flying these days and pressing your luck arriving just in time at the
> > airport. That doesn't take into account that now I have to find rides t=
o
> > and from both airports, and borrow a car while I'm in OH. With driving,
> > I can take as much with me as I want. I can bring back as much Great
> > Lakes beer as I want. :-) I can stop and poop anywhere I want on the wa=
y
> > up and I'm locked locked inside a giant, musty, hot, stink can with a
> > bunch of farting, crying, inconsiderate, travelers.
>
> In the distant past, and arranging for the backline to be there in
> advance, I could fly to a gig with a backpack for the overhead, and a
> bass in a gig bag that would hang, with a smile from the "stewardess",
> in the cabin's coat compartment.
>
> Try that today and you will waste at least an hour with security and
> another 30 minutes arguing with a caveman mentality with no authority
> except what's granted in the handbook.
>
> Passengers today are walking baggage, insulated from corporate airline
> management by purposely hired drones barely more sentient than their
> computer terminals, and chuted through the entire process like cattle on
> the way to slaughter. AAMOF, if you've ever worked cattle on a ranch,
> you will immediately recognize the scenario/method.
>
> Personally for me, flying in this country, at one time a convenience
> worth the price, is no longer an option if there is any possible
> alternative.
>

There you have it. I was going to fly to my sister's funeral. By the
time I had my timing/course of action figured out, word came that a
LOT of people were going to the funeral. From all over the planet. My
nieces and nephew thought it would be better if Angela and I made a
drive after 'the zoo' has cleared. IOW, after the funeral. That way,
we could come together, by car, take our time, and have the kids al to
ourselves=97there'd be very little chance to hang out during the
funeral.
I have flow lots in my day, last trip at Christmas, but I can't
reconcile the (Godwin alert) treatment we now have to endure by the
hands of the Gestapo. I will not expose myself to the robot-like
drones who have permission to grab my junk. Fuck that noise.
So after my mom passes away, we'll be on the road for a considerable
journey which may take almost anywhere is the US of A.

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:37:10 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jul 17, 10:30 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:

>> So, why is Lew promoting jetting 40 miles, and when did Lew stop
>> gasping over the price of fuel? I finally had to plonk him about the
>> third week into his daily tirades.
>
>Lew posted about a bicycle beating a plane. How do you construe that
>to mean he's now promoting jetting 40 miles or being okay with gas at
>$4/gallon? I read pretty much the exact opposite.

The same article with a "Bicycle Beats Plane" headline might have been
construed as an article promoting bicycling. Without that, it reads as
an airline advertising for business. YMMV

--
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You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
-- Patricia Russell-McCloud

On 7/17/2011 12:34 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Burbank and Long Beach are both suburbs of Los Angeles, both have
> commercial airports, and are about 40 miles apart.
>
> This weekend, the closure of I-405 has had a definite impact on how
> you would travel to get to either airport.
>
> Up steps Jet Blue and offers a $4 one way fare between Bob Hope
> airport (Burbank) and Long Beach airport on Saturday only.
>
> Would have been a nice promotion except for one thing.
>
> A bicycle club offers a challenge.
>
> A race between a jet plane and a bicycle using only bike paths and/or
> surface streets.
>
> The bicycle completed the race in 90 minutes, handily winning the
> race.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Imagine a jet airplane using only bike paths and/or surface streets. No
wonder the bile won.

On 7/17/2011 12:26 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

> 5.5hrs to get where I can drive in 6.5. Even I practice my "experienced
> traveler" habits of not checking baggage, arriving at airport 1/2hr
> before takeoff, I'm realistically looking at at least 4hrs travel time.
> But that doesn't take into account all the stress and BS involved with
> flying these days and pressing your luck arriving just in time at the
> airport. That doesn't take into account that now I have to find rides to
> and from both airports, and borrow a car while I'm in OH. With driving,
> I can take as much with me as I want. I can bring back as much Great
> Lakes beer as I want. :-) I can stop and poop anywhere I want on the way
> up and I'm locked locked inside a giant, musty, hot, stink can with a
> bunch of farting, crying, inconsiderate, travelers.

In the distant past, and arranging for the backline to be there in
advance, I could fly to a gig with a backpack for the overhead, and a
bass in a gig bag that would hang, with a smile from the "stewardess",
in the cabin's coat compartment.

Try that today and you will waste at least an hour with security and
another 30 minutes arguing with a caveman mentality with no authority
except what's granted in the handbook.

Passengers today are walking baggage, insulated from corporate airline
management by purposely hired drones barely more sentient than their
computer terminals, and chuted through the entire process like cattle on
the way to slaughter. AAMOF, if you've ever worked cattle on a ranch,
you will immediately recognize the scenario/method.

Personally for me, flying in this country, at one time a convenience
worth the price, is no longer an option if there is any possible
alternative.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 7/17/2011 7:47 AM, Leon wrote:

> Imagine a jet airplane using only bike paths and/or surface streets. No
> wonder the bile won.

ROTFL ...

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Burbank and Long Beach are both suburbs of Los Angeles, both have
> commercial airports, and are about 40 miles apart.
>
> This weekend, the closure of I-405 has had a definite impact on how
> you would travel to get to either airport.
>
> Up steps Jet Blue and offers a $4 one way fare between Bob Hope
> airport (Burbank) and Long Beach airport on Saturday only.
>
> Would have been a nice promotion except for one thing.
>
> A bicycle club offers a challenge.
>
> A race between a jet plane and a bicycle using only bike paths and/or
> surface streets.
>
> The bicycle completed the race in 90 minutes, handily winning the
> race.
>

Was is Jeremy versus James? Some days it can take even longer just to get
through security. Good publicity for the bicycle club though.

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4e227471$0$32171
[email protected]:

> Burbank and Long Beach are both suburbs of Los Angeles, both have
> commercial airports, and are about 40 miles apart.
>
> This weekend, the closure of I-405 has had a definite impact on how
> you would travel to get to either airport.
>
> Up steps Jet Blue and offers a $4 one way fare between Bob Hope
> airport (Burbank) and Long Beach airport on Saturday only.
>
> Would have been a nice promotion except for one thing.
>
> A bicycle club offers a challenge.
>
> A race between a jet plane and a bicycle using only bike paths and/or
> surface streets.
>
> The bicycle completed the race in 90 minutes, handily winning the
> race.

Good one!!

On Jul 17, 12:34=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:


It is amazing how much publicity this has gotten on a world-wide
basis. "Carmageddon" has, at one time or another, held top-line
coverage on many of the web news pages (CNN, MSNBC, etc). It has, at
times, overshadowed the Budget crisis, war, and other stories that are
of national or world concern. I can assure you that MOST people in
the US could not POSSIBLY care less about a LA area traffic problem.
Seems like any inconvenience in southern CA or NY gets top bill.

The rest of the nation just copes!

RonB

On Jul 17, 10:30=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:47:16 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 7/17/2011 12:34 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> >> Burbank and Long Beach are both suburbs of Los Angeles, both have
> >> commercial airports, and are about 40 miles apart.
>
> >> This weekend, the closure of I-405 has had a definite impact on how
> >> you would travel to get to either airport.
>
> >> Up steps Jet Blue and offers a $4 one way fare between Bob Hope
> >> airport (Burbank) and Long Beach airport on Saturday only.
>
> >> Would have been a nice promotion except for one thing.
>
> >> A bicycle club offers a challenge.
>
> >> A race between a jet plane and a bicycle using only bike paths and/or
> >> surface streets.
>
> >> The bicycle completed the race in 90 minutes, handily winning the
> >> race.
>
> >Imagine a jet airplane using only bike paths and/or surface streets. =A0=
No
> >wonder the bile won.
>
> So, why is Lew promoting jetting 40 miles, and when did Lew stop
> gasping over the price of fuel? I finally had to plonk him about the
> third week into his daily tirades.

Lew posted about a bicycle beating a plane. How do you construe that
to mean he's now promoting jetting 40 miles or being okay with gas at
$4/gallon? I read pretty much the exact opposite.

R

On 7/17/11 10:40 AM, Matt wrote:
> On 7/17/2011 7:37 AM, RicodJour wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 10:30 am, Larry Jaques<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:47:16 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 7/17/2011 12:34 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>>> Burbank and Long Beach are both suburbs of Los Angeles, both have
>>>>> commercial airports, and are about 40 miles apart.
>>>
>>>>> This weekend, the closure of I-405 has had a definite impact on how
>>>>> you would travel to get to either airport.
>>>
>>>>> Up steps Jet Blue and offers a $4 one way fare between Bob Hope
>>>>> airport (Burbank) and Long Beach airport on Saturday only.
>>>
>>>>> Would have been a nice promotion except for one thing.
>>>
>>>>> A bicycle club offers a challenge.
>>>
>>>>> A race between a jet plane and a bicycle using only bike paths and/or
>>>>> surface streets.
>>>
>>>>> The bicycle completed the race in 90 minutes, handily winning the
>>>>> race.
>>>
>>>> Imagine a jet airplane using only bike paths and/or surface streets. No
>>>> wonder the bile won.
>>>
>>> So, why is Lew promoting jetting 40 miles, and when did Lew stop
>>> gasping over the price of fuel? I finally had to plonk him about the
>>> third week into his daily tirades.
>>
>> Lew posted about a bicycle beating a plane. How do you construe that
>> to mean he's now promoting jetting 40 miles or being okay with gas at
>> $4/gallon? I read pretty much the exact opposite.
>>
>> R
>
> What Lew didn't tell you is that the bicycle group left 90 minutes
> BEFORE the scheduled departure time of the plane (to simulate the time
> spent going through the entire boarding process, to include security
> checks, etc.), and that the group agreed to meet a bicycle club member
> who took the flight at a local park somewhat in the vicinity of the
> destination airport... said member who had to take a cab from the
> airport to the park, through less than ideal traffic conditions...

Isn't that what anyone would care about? Real-world travel conditions?
I'm from OH, but I live in TN. Given the price of gas, it's always
tempting to go to Southwest and grab a $50-60 flight up to OH, instead
of drive the 6.5hrs and spend that much or more on gas. The flight is
less than 1.5hr, but is it worth it?

.5hr getting to airport.
1.5hr fondling and waiting
1.5hr flying.
.5hr getting out of destination airport
1.5hr drive to destination city
5.5hrs to get where I can drive in 6.5. Even I practice my
"experienced traveler" habits of not checking baggage, arriving at
airport 1/2hr before takeoff, I'm realistically looking at at least 4hrs
travel time.
But that doesn't take into account all the stress and BS involved with
flying these days and pressing your luck arriving just in time at the
airport. That doesn't take into account that now I have to find rides to
and from both airports, and borrow a car while I'm in OH. With driving,
I can take as much with me as I want. I can bring back as much Great
Lakes beer as I want. :-) I can stop and poop anywhere I want on the way
up and I'm locked locked inside a giant, musty, hot, stink can with a
bunch of farting, crying, inconsiderate, travelers.


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On 7/18/11 11:42 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> We drove to Vermont (2600mi, round trip) for our 40th (also, to see
>> the kid), rather than fly. TSA was a considerable part of that
>> decision.
>
> Don't know all of the factors that went into your decision, but a 2600 mile
> trip seems like it's with the flight. But then again - we each have our own
> definitions. For me, it's a breakpoint of about 5 hours. If I can drive
> there in 5 hours, I feel like I'm better off doing so. If it's over that,
> then I elect to fly. Just my figuring....
>

That's right where I'm at... maybe another hour. It's funny how when you
travel for a living, your toleration for drive length goes up. I used to
dread the 3.5hr drive from SE OH up to Cleveland. Now, I hardly blink
at anything under 6hrs.
...and 3.5? Sheesh, I don't even need a bathroom stop. :-)


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On 7/18/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>
>> That's right where I'm at... maybe another hour. It's funny how when
>> you travel for a living, your toleration for drive length goes up. I
>> used to dread the 3.5hr drive from SE OH up to Cleveland. Now, I
>> hardly blink at anything under 6hrs.
>> ...and 3.5? Sheesh, I don't even need a bathroom stop. :-)
>
> 3.5 hours without a pee stop???? How the hell do you do that? Hell I can't
> make it an hour...
>

I don't drink & drive? :-)
Wish I could sleep that long without a pee stop.


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On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:47:16 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 7/17/2011 12:34 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Burbank and Long Beach are both suburbs of Los Angeles, both have
>> commercial airports, and are about 40 miles apart.
>>
>> This weekend, the closure of I-405 has had a definite impact on how
>> you would travel to get to either airport.
>>
>> Up steps Jet Blue and offers a $4 one way fare between Bob Hope
>> airport (Burbank) and Long Beach airport on Saturday only.
>>
>> Would have been a nice promotion except for one thing.
>>
>> A bicycle club offers a challenge.
>>
>> A race between a jet plane and a bicycle using only bike paths and/or
>> surface streets.
>>
>> The bicycle completed the race in 90 minutes, handily winning the
>> race.
>
>Imagine a jet airplane using only bike paths and/or surface streets. No
>wonder the bile won.

So, why is Lew promoting jetting 40 miles, and when did Lew stop
gasping over the price of fuel? I finally had to plonk him about the
third week into his daily tirades.

Democrats, total discontinuity incarnate.

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You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
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On 7/17/2011 9:37 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Jul 17, 10:30 am, Larry Jaques<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:47:16 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 7/17/2011 12:34 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>> Burbank and Long Beach are both suburbs of Los Angeles, both have
>>>> commercial airports, and are about 40 miles apart.
>>
>>>> This weekend, the closure of I-405 has had a definite impact on how
>>>> you would travel to get to either airport.
>>
>>>> Up steps Jet Blue and offers a $4 one way fare between Bob Hope
>>>> airport (Burbank) and Long Beach airport on Saturday only.
>>
>>>> Would have been a nice promotion except for one thing.
>>
>>>> A bicycle club offers a challenge.
>>
>>>> A race between a jet plane and a bicycle using only bike paths and/or
>>>> surface streets.
>>
>>>> The bicycle completed the race in 90 minutes, handily winning the
>>>> race.
>>
>>> Imagine a j ;~)et airplane using only bike paths and/or surface streets. No
>>> wonder the bile won.
>>
>> So, why is Lew promoting jetting 40 miles, and when did Lew stop
>> gasping over the price of fuel? I finally had to plonk him about the
>> third week into his daily tirades.
>
> Lew posted about a bicycle beating a plane. How do you construe that
> to mean he's now promoting jetting 40 miles or being okay with gas at
> $4/gallon? I read pretty much the exact opposite.
>
> R
It was an unfair challenge, they both had to use only bike paths and/or
surface streets. Suppose they both had to float on air, then who would win?

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:53:55 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:


>Passengers today are walking baggage, insulated from corporate airline
>management by purposely hired drones barely more sentient than their
>computer terminals, and chuted through the entire process like cattle on
>the way to slaughter. AAMOF, if you've ever worked cattle on a ranch,
>you will immediately recognize the scenario/method.
>
>Personally for me, flying in this country, at one time a convenience
>worth the price, is no longer an option if there is any possible
>alternative.

I believe that this is precisely the reaction the Powers That Be
intended. Orwell was only off by a few years...

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Life is an escalator:
You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:51:41 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Leon wrote:
>
>> It was an unfair challenge, they both had to use only bike paths
>> and/or surface streets. Suppose they both had to float on air, then
>> who would win?
>
>Or... suppose they both had to arrive resonably sweat-free, to attend a
>business meeting - what would that schedule have looked like?

IMO, business travel and personal travel are two completely different animals.
I'd never do a business meeting after a two day drive, for instance.