Was at my local sharpening service this morning to see if they had jointer
knives for my 6 inch jointer for sale. Turns out they did, but when he told
me $35 bucks for a used sharpened set, I almost fell over. I can buy a new
freud set for 20 something, I say. He tells me that this is old steel, much
better than the new steel they use today. Professional grade, rather than
"home depot" grade, as he put it. As he was a rather ornery old Italian
from the old country, and was in the possesion of many sharpened
instruments, I wasnt going to argue with him, plus I kinda liked the old
guy. I think I went up a notch in his book when I told him I have a forrest
saw blade, as he is a distributor. However, I left without a used $35 set
of 6 inch knives. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew if he was feeding
me a line about the 'old' vs. 'new' steel? Sounded like BS to me, but who
am I to argue...I bet his wife made some mean pasta, though...
Drew
Scrub,
That is the problem with reading and posting to online world, many
people don't get it that life is too short to be so Fu$%^&ing paranoid
that a little lighthearted humor is taken as an attack rather than the
acknowledgement that we are all in this jackpot together.
Lots of zenophobia, racism, homophobia, and other stupid fears come out
when people suspect the worst in others.
BW
[I would never seek to impair anyone's right to react and comment to
anything posted here but you also have the right to go away if you are
offended, an important corollary to freedom of speech]
Oh for god's sake, lighten up. You think Drew wrote that the guy was a
dumb dago or something...... but what do I know, I'm just a dumb Polack
from Joisey.......
Mutt
Scrub wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:50:50 GMT, "SLG" <[email protected]> wrote:
> . As he was a rather ornery old Italian
> >from the old country, and was in the possesion of many sharpened
> >instruments, I wasnt going to argue with him
>
>
> What does his country of origin have to do with this?
> ( please see below)
>
> Sounded like BS to me, but who
> >am I to argue...I bet his wife made some mean pasta, though...
> >
> >Drew
> >
>
> You are a stereotyping asshole.
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> I dunno; maybe some old stuff. I like old tools, but I'd much prefer
> to trade in a 50 y/o woman for a pair of 25s. <domg>
>
I'm kinda fond of my (nearing) 50 y/o woman - in excellent condition and
still meets factory spec. Problem is she believes old tools should be kept
around as curios and not really used very much.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:50:50 GMT, "SLG" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Was at my local sharpening service this morning to see if they had jointer
>knives for my 6 inch jointer for sale. Turns out they did, but when he told
>me $35 bucks for a used sharpened set, I almost fell over. I can buy a new
>freud set for 20 something, I say. He tells me that this is old steel, much
>better than the new steel they use today. Professional grade, rather than
>"home depot" grade, as he put it.
I was talking to my cousin last weekend about getting my Freuds
sharpened, and he said something very similar. He said he'd sharpen
them for $10 each, or just sell me a couple of blades for $30, and
they'd be twice as good, because of the steel used. He might have
been just trying to make an extra $10, but I doubt that'd make much
difference to him. Evidently, the blades they use are milled from
forged steel and then tipped with a higher quality carbide sharpened
to a .0005" tolerance, but most of the commerically availible brands
are just cut from sheet goods that have been rolled to thickness, and
have a much looser tolerance and lower grade of carbide.
Of course, I still like the Freuds an awful lot, but I figure I'll try
a couple of his as well. For $15 apiece, they don't even really have
to be that good, but if they are, I definately know where I'm gettting
my dado stack from.
>As he was a rather ornery old Italian
>from the old country, and was in the possesion of many sharpened
>instruments, I wasnt going to argue with him, plus I kinda liked the old
>guy. I think I went up a notch in his book when I told him I have a forrest
>saw blade, as he is a distributor. However, I left without a used $35 set
>of 6 inch knives. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew if he was feeding
>me a line about the 'old' vs. 'new' steel? Sounded like BS to me, but who
>am I to argue...I bet his wife made some mean pasta, though...
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:50:50 GMT, "SLG" <[email protected]> wrote:
. As he was a rather ornery old Italian
>from the old country, and was in the possesion of many sharpened
>instruments, I wasnt going to argue with him
What does his country of origin have to do with this?
( please see below)
Sounded like BS to me, but who
>am I to argue...I bet his wife made some mean pasta, though...
>
>Drew
>
You are a stereotyping asshole.
"Prometheus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I was talking to my cousin last weekend about getting my Freuds
> sharpened, and he said something very similar. He said he'd sharpen
> them for $10 each, or just sell me a couple of blades for $30, and
> they'd be twice as good, because of the steel used. He might have
> been just trying to make an extra $10, but I doubt that'd make much
> difference to him. Evidently, the blades they use are milled from
> forged steel and then tipped with a higher quality carbide sharpened
> to a .0005" tolerance, but most of the commerically availible brands
> are just cut from sheet goods that have been rolled to thickness, and
> have a much looser tolerance and lower grade of carbide.
>
> Of course, I still like the Freuds an awful lot, but I figure I'll try
> a couple of his as well. For $15 apiece, they don't even really have
> to be that good, but if they are, I definately know where I'm gettting
> my dado stack from.
>
Try to remember to post a follow up on this. I have to wonder, every time I
hear about such things as "old steel" and "higher quality" this or that,
just what the difference really is. Certainly we all are familiar with
quality difference in some things, but we've all also seen where the
differences between "lesser" and "higher" quality is only measurable on a
spec sheet. Curiosity has me anxious to see what your results are.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Fri, 13 May 2005 01:46:48 -0500, the inscrutable Patriarch
<[email protected]> spake:
>"toller" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> I took a blacksmithing course a few years ago. The instructor buys
>> old steel knives and other articles for the steel. The new stuff has
>> too much carbon to be worked properly by hand. But I expect the new
>> stuff holds an edge better.
>>
>> He has also imported steel from Turkey where they still have
>> production blacksmithing.
>>
>
>And I like the steel used in my SW Stanley plane blades, but that doesn't
>mean that, in many very real ways, the A2 and O2 blades used by LV & LN
>aren't much better and more repeatable.
>
>Some of us just like old stuff. Sometimes, I think it's personal.
I dunno; maybe some old stuff. I like old tools, but I'd much prefer
to trade in a 50 y/o woman for a pair of 25s. <domg>
[nomex=ON; I'm kidding, I'm kidding!]
------
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"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Drew,
> It could be that the old knives were made by hand 30 years ago, and by
> heating, turning, beating, and quenching many times. On the other hand,
> they could be 30 years old and what the guy had on hand. Tool steels have
> not gotten worse over the years. Buy the Freuds unless your guy wants to
> match the price.
> mahalo,
> jo4hn
Thank you. Kinda what I figured. I probably will spend some money there
(but not on jointer knives), and its nice to know theres a sharpening shop
so close by. He also told me he could sharpen my forrest blade as well as
the forrest guys. I have a CMT blade that needs sharpening, and I think Ill
give him a try. He also told me he goes to auctions and buys old tools.
This is the kind of guy I want to get to know.
Drew
Well, I'm Italian and I didn't find it offensive or stereotypical. Also I
think it's smart not to antagonize an old Italian with sharp implements.
DAMHIKT.
"SLG" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Was at my local sharpening service this morning to see if they had jointer
> knives for my 6 inch jointer for sale. Turns out they did, but when he
told
> me $35 bucks for a used sharpened set, I almost fell over. I can buy a
new
> freud set for 20 something, I say. He tells me that this is old steel,
much
> better than the new steel they use today. Professional grade, rather than
> "home depot" grade, as he put it. As he was a rather ornery old Italian
> from the old country, and was in the possesion of many sharpened
> instruments, I wasnt going to argue with him, plus I kinda liked the old
> guy. I think I went up a notch in his book when I told him I have a
forrest
> saw blade, as he is a distributor. However, I left without a used $35 set
> of 6 inch knives. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew if he was
feeding
> me a line about the 'old' vs. 'new' steel? Sounded like BS to me, but who
> am I to argue...I bet his wife made some mean pasta, though...
>
> Drew
>
>
"Scrub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:50:50 GMT, "SLG" <[email protected]> wrote:
> . As he was a rather ornery old Italian
>>from the old country, and was in the possesion of many sharpened
>>instruments, I wasnt going to argue with him
>
>
> What does his country of origin have to do with this?
> ( please see below)
>
> Sounded like BS to me, but who
>>am I to argue...I bet his wife made some mean pasta, though...
>>
>>Drew
>>
>
> You are a stereotyping asshole.
And you are an uptight asshole. Lighten up. As 2 of my grandparents were
from their own respective 'old countrys', I am no stranger to immigrants.
As an American, I welcome them. If they bring good work ethics and morals
with them, then all is good. When I made the comment about his wife being a
good cook, it was a compliment. All the older Italian women that I know are
excellent cooks. (Not a stereotype, just my own observation) And, although
I dont think I have any Italian blood in me, Ive always said my stomach was
Italian.
I meant no disrespect to any Italians that may or may not be reading this
newsgroup, and apologize if it was taken that way.
Drew
"toller" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> I took a blacksmithing course a few years ago. The instructor buys
> old steel knives and other articles for the steel. The new stuff has
> too much carbon to be worked properly by hand. But I expect the new
> stuff holds an edge better.
>
> He has also imported steel from Turkey where they still have
> production blacksmithing.
>
And I like the steel used in my SW Stanley plane blades, but that doesn't
mean that, in many very real ways, the A2 and O2 blades used by LV & LN
aren't much better and more repeatable.
Some of us just like old stuff. Sometimes, I think it's personal.
Patriarch
and you sir are just an asshole with a very brown outlook on life.
"Scrub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:50:50 GMT, "SLG" <[email protected]> wrote:
> . As he was a rather ornery old Italian
> >from the old country, and was in the possesion of many sharpened
> >instruments, I wasnt going to argue with him
>
>
> What does his country of origin have to do with this?
> ( please see below)
>
> Sounded like BS to me, but who
> >am I to argue...I bet his wife made some mean pasta, though...
> >
> >Drew
> >
>
> You are a stereotyping asshole.
Once upon a time I bought some jointer blades from Harbor Freight. That was
a lesson learned well. Blunted on contact with pine.
They were replaced with freuds, with which I was very happy. Yes there are
shit-grade modern knives knives out there. He may have been comparing his
vintage knives with generic bottom-end knives of Chinese manufacture (not to
say that all items of Chinese manufacture are of poor quality, but frankly,
many are).
Then again, it's only a $10 experiment.
-Steve
"SLG" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Was at my local sharpening service this morning to see if they had jointer
> knives for my 6 inch jointer for sale. Turns out they did, but when he
told
> me $35 bucks for a used sharpened set, I almost fell over. I can buy a
new
> freud set for 20 something, I say. He tells me that this is old steel,
much
> better than the new steel they use today. Professional grade, rather than
> "home depot" grade, as he put it. As he was a rather ornery old Italian
> from the old country, and was in the possesion of many sharpened
> instruments, I wasnt going to argue with him, plus I kinda liked the old
> guy. I think I went up a notch in his book when I told him I have a
forrest
> saw blade, as he is a distributor. However, I left without a used $35 set
> of 6 inch knives. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew if he was
feeding
> me a line about the 'old' vs. 'new' steel? Sounded like BS to me, but who
> am I to argue...I bet his wife made some mean pasta, though...
>
> Drew
>
>
On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:21:48 -0400, "Drew Morton"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Scrub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:50:50 GMT, "SLG" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> . As he was a rather ornery old Italian
>>>from the old country, and was in the possesion of many sharpened
>>>instruments, I wasnt going to argue with him
>>
>>
>> What does his country of origin have to do with this?
>> ( please see below)
>>
>> Sounded like BS to me, but who
>>>am I to argue...I bet his wife made some mean pasta, though...
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>
>> You are a stereotyping asshole.
>
>And you are an uptight asshole. Lighten up. As 2 of my grandparents were
>from their own respective 'old countrys', I am no stranger to immigrants.
>As an American, I welcome them. If they bring good work ethics and morals
>with them, then all is good. When I made the comment about his wife being a
>good cook, it was a compliment. All the older Italian women that I know are
>excellent cooks. (Not a stereotype, just my own observation) And, although
>I dont think I have any Italian blood in me, Ive always said my stomach was
>Italian.
>
>I meant no disrespect to any Italians that may or may not be reading this
>newsgroup, and apologize if it was taken that way.
>
>Drew
>
OK, I gues we're even up at this point. Apology accepted and
acknowledged. Please accept mine for not counting to 10 before hitting
the SEND button.
On Sat, 14 May 2005 07:20:27 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I dunno; maybe some old stuff. I like old tools, but I'd much prefer
>> to trade in a 50 y/o woman for a pair of 25s. <domg>
>>
>I'm kinda fond of my (nearing) 50 y/o woman - in excellent condition and
>still meets factory spec. Problem is she believes old tools should be kept
>around as curios and not really used very much.
You just have to find a place that will give you a decent trade-in
allowance on your old tool.
Lee
Steel can be bought with any carbon content you want. He is either full of
it or misinformed.
BTW, good quality old knives generally had a higher carbon content than new
ones.
"toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I took a blacksmithing course a few years ago. The instructor buys old
> steel knives and other articles for the steel. The new stuff has too much
> carbon to be worked properly by hand. But I expect the new stuff holds an
> edge better.
>
> He has also imported steel from Turkey where they still have production
> blacksmithing.
>
>
On Sat, 14 May 2005 07:15:18 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Prometheus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> I was talking to my cousin last weekend about getting my Freuds
>> sharpened, and he said something very similar. He said he'd sharpen
>> them for $10 each, or just sell me a couple of blades for $30, and
>> they'd be twice as good, because of the steel used. He might have
>> been just trying to make an extra $10, but I doubt that'd make much
>> difference to him. Evidently, the blades they use are milled from
>> forged steel and then tipped with a higher quality carbide sharpened
>> to a .0005" tolerance, but most of the commerically availible brands
>> are just cut from sheet goods that have been rolled to thickness, and
>> have a much looser tolerance and lower grade of carbide.
>>
>> Of course, I still like the Freuds an awful lot, but I figure I'll try
>> a couple of his as well. For $15 apiece, they don't even really have
>> to be that good, but if they are, I definately know where I'm gettting
>> my dado stack from.
>>
>
>Try to remember to post a follow up on this. I have to wonder, every time I
>hear about such things as "old steel" and "higher quality" this or that,
>just what the difference really is. Certainly we all are familiar with
>quality difference in some things, but we've all also seen where the
>differences between "lesser" and "higher" quality is only measurable on a
>spec sheet. Curiosity has me anxious to see what your results are.
Might be a couple of weeks, I but I will certainly try- actually, if
they're as good as he was claiming, it'll probably be on here as a
gloat at those prices!
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
Drew,
It could be that the old knives were made by hand 30 years ago, and by
heating, turning, beating, and quenching many times. On the other hand,
they could be 30 years old and what the guy had on hand. Tool steels
have not gotten worse over the years. Buy the Freuds unless your guy
wants to match the price.
mahalo,
jo4hn
In article <[email protected]>, "Pig" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Oh for god's sake, lighten up. You think Drew wrote that the guy was a
>dumb dago or something...... but what do I know, I'm just a dumb Polack
>from Joisey.......
I used to work with a Polish guy who grew up in NJ. He said he never heard a
"Polack" joke in his life, until he moved to Ohio at age 25 -- same jokes,
except they were "Italian" jokes where he gew up.
FWIW, "polak" is the actual Polish word for "a man from Poland".
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
I took a blacksmithing course a few years ago. The instructor buys old
steel knives and other articles for the steel. The new stuff has too much
carbon to be worked properly by hand. But I expect the new stuff holds an
edge better.
He has also imported steel from Turkey where they still have production
blacksmithing.