3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
rates.
I'm reasonably satisfied.
After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
of a rattle can.
http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=view¤t=Lighthousecnc.flv
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
"Robatoy" wrote:
Which begs the questions: "What kind of pie?" and "How far?"
-----------------------------------------------------
This one will work.
It's from America's Test Kitchens as modified by me.
Easy and delightful. (Only has top crust)
Leave it in the skillet when used as a projectile.
-----------------------------------------------------
Flavorful Skillet Apple Pie
Serves 6 to 8
Crust Ingredients:
+1 Cup, Unbleached all-purpose flour (5 ounces), plus more for
+ dusting work surface
+1 Tbl, Sugar
+1/2 tps, Salt
+2 Tbl, Shortening , chilled
+6 Tbl, Cold unsalted butter (3/4 Stick), cut into 1/4-inch
pieces
+ 3-4 Tbl, Ice water
+ 1 egg white , lightly beaten
+ 2 tps, Sugar
Crust Directions:
Pulse flour, sugar, and salt in food processor until combined.
Add shortening and process until mixture has texture of coarse sand,
about ten 1-second pulses.
Scatter butter pieces over flour mixture and process until mixture is
pale yellow and resembles coarse crumbs, with butter bits no larger
than small peas, about ten 1-second pulses.
Transfer mixture to medium bowl.
Sprinkle 3 tablespoons ice water over mixture.
With blade of rubber spatula, use folding motion to mix.
Press down on dough with broad side of spatula until dough sticks
together, adding up to 1 tablespoon more ice water if dough does
not come together.
Turn dough out onto sheet of plastic wrap and flatten into 4-inch
disk.
Wrap dough and refrigerate 30 minutes, or up to 2 days, before rolling
out.
(If dough is refrigerated longer than 1 hour, let stand at room
temperature until malleable.)
Filling Ingredients:
+ 1/2 Cup, Apple cider
+ 1/3 Cup, Maple syrup
+ 2 Tbl, Fresh lemon juice from 1 lemon
+ 2 tps, Cornstarch
+ 1/8 tps, Ground cinnamon
+ 2 Tbl, Unsalted butter
+ 2 1/2 Lbs, Sweet apples and tart apples (about 6 medium), peeled,
+ cored, halved, and cut into 1/2-inch-thick
wedges (see note)
Note:
Use a combination of sweet, crisp apples such as Golden Delicious and
firm, tart apples such as Cortland, Empire or Granny Smith.
Filling Directions:
Whisk cider, syrup, lemon juice, cornstarch, and cinnamon together in
medium bowl until smooth.
Heat butter in 10" cast iron chicken fryer over medium-high heat.
When foaming subsides, add apples and cook, stirring 2 or 3 times
until apples begin to caramelize, about 5 minutes.
(Do not fully cook apples)
Remove pan from heat, add cider mixture, and gently stir until apples
are well coated.
Set aside to cool slightly.
4. TO ASSEMBLE AND BAKE:
+ 1 egg white , lightly beaten
+ 2 tps, Sugar
Adjust oven rack to upper-middle position (between 7 and 9 inches from
heating element) and heat oven to 500 degrees.
Roll out dough on lightly floured work surface, or between 2 large
sheets of plastic wrap, to 11-inch circle.
Roll dough loosely around rolling pin and unroll over apple filling.
Brush dough with egg white and sprinkle with sugar.
With sharp knife, gently cut dough into 6 pieces by making 1 vertical
cut followed by 2 evenly spaced horizontal cuts (perpendicular to
first cut).
Bake until apples are tender and crust is a deep golden brown, about
20 minutes.
Let cool 15 minutes; serve.
On Nov 9, 8:43=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
[snipped some good advice from Morris for Dave.]
but wait! There's more!
>
> Be warned that this CNC stuff can make you lose sleep, think weird
> thoughts, and twist your sense of humor in strange ways. If you haven't
> seen the video of robatoy's chicken spinner, you should. I, myself, have
> kept most of my marbles in the basket - but I'm still working on my
> weapons-grade CNC pie thrower...
>
> :)
Which begs the questions: "What kind of pie?" and "How far?"
I'm surprised jo4hn isn't doing the CNC boogie yet. He's used to
talking to parcels full of electronics from far, far awaaaayyy!
On Nov 9, 12:27=A0pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I have a question - do customers actually want details of this sort
> engraved into their countertops or was this an experiment to test the
> limits of what could be done?
Both. So far I have been lucky to get paid for the challenges I have
wrestled to the ground.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CoffeLodge2.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/BDayCard.jpg
The lighthouse is experimental, trying to find out where the practical
(not ultimate) limits on my machine are.
> Are you using a canned mill/software
> combo, or is this DIY?
I use a combo of Vectric Aspire V2 and FlashCut.
Robatoy said:
>On Nov 9, 1:24 pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>> What kind of mill do you have? Or did I already ask that... D'oh!
>>
>General 40-996. (Mine doesn't wear that funny green hat. Some farking
>clown thought it would increase safety...as if...)
Cripes - that is some serious machinery. I assumed you had DIY'd
something together. My lowly Unisaw bowed in reverence to this
behemoth and slunk away into the parts room.
48x96 - grumble... Has anyone told you that you suck yet?
As for the hat, hope it's not fluorescent orange/yellow/anything.
It just isn't a General if it ain't Green with red maple leaf.
The local dealer carried General as well, and I leaned that way on the
saw, but the deal on the Delta was too good to pass up. One of the
last to come from Tupelo, MS. Then to China, then back to TN.
The blowback from the import must have been significant.
Thanks for sharing.
The brochure was interesting reading; pseudo geek that I am.
Greg G.
On Nov 9, 6:39=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 4:47 pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
> >>> On Nov 9, 12:27 pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> I have a question - do customers actually want details of this sort
> >>>> engraved into their countertops or was this an experiment to test th=
e
> >>>> limits of what could be done?
> >>> Both. So far I have been lucky to get paid for the challenges I have
> >>> wrestled to the ground.
> >> You're being improperly modest. Do you still have the photos of your
> >> backlit inlay work? Would you post a link, please?
>
> >> --
> >> Morris Dovey
> >> DeSoto Solar
> >> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>
> > You mean this ol' thing?
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Backlit.jpg
>
> Wow! No. ;-) I was speaking of v-grooved and filled piece with LED
> backlighting.
>
> That lithophane looks pretty good, tho - and I think you snuck in a
> sawhorse drive-by. :)
Au contraire, mon fr=E8re. That saw-horse is a Triton which I mini-
reviewed quite some time ago.
I dunno how I lived without it. Handiest thing ever. Handier than a
bag of potato chips, handier than a pocket on a shirt.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
On Nov 9, 10:44=A0am, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:15:10 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
> >3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
> >kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
> >The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
> >cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
> >rates.
> >I'm reasonably satisfied.
>
> >After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
> >of a rattle can.
>
> >http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=3Dview¤t=
=3D...
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>
> Cool!
Thankee, kind sir. I am trying very hard to steer away from those #$%#@
%^ countertops and do something more creative with my time. I turned
60 last April and I'm really worried that I won't get to complete my
bucket list in the next 25+ years.
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
>
> Saaay, is that a real-live Canuckistani Ducat I see there?
>
For a mint version of the Royal Canuckistani Quarter, see if you can
pry open some visiting Dutch guy's change purse.
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:21:45 -0600, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>WTF? The rendering at the top of the page shows two x-axis steppers and
>a z-axis stepper and right below it is a 3-motor kit. How about a y-axis
>stepper?
>
>What Greg said, and I've had good experiences with
>
> http://www.hobbycnc.com/products/hobbycnc-pro-driver-board-packages/
>
>I have their 4-axis package with their 23-205-DS8 steppers and like it.
Hey Morris, don't chew me out. I barely know what a 2-axis stepper
does. I'm guessing a 4-axis model adds a few more directions to that
equation.
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
By the way Morris (and Robatory and anyone else who wants to take
part), I'm going to be picking your brains while I build a list of
what to buy. And then, you can tell me what to add or subtract. That's
after some considerable discussion.
On Nov 9, 6:21=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> WTF? The rendering at the top of the page shows two x-axis steppers and
> a z-axis stepper and right below it is a 3-motor kit. How about a y-axis
> stepper?
>
Hmmm... what I see, is 2 y axis steppers, one z axis stepper and no X
axis stepper.
Okay, I'm being a dick here... but for me, I operate the table from
the end, so the long axis is Y, the across axis is X.
I do have another settings file which flips everything 90
degrees...but my brain doesn't work that way..for some reason.
I have said this before... I don't think like other people. <G>
On Nov 9, 12:00=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hmm - ready to build a machine with a bit more resolution yet? :)
I can just change out the steppers. The drivers and all that are up to
that. I'm basically pushing the envelope to see if any of that would
make sense.
>
[snipped for brevity]
>
> > You know what a Canuckistani quarter looks like, eh? =A0LOL
>
> As a matter of fact, I /do/. Have a bright shiny one right here. I still
> like the bi-metal (center hasn't fallen out of this one), but my
> favorite is still the $50 maple leaf. :)
You haven't bought anything with that 50-dollar coin yet? It'd make a
nice tip after a big fancy meal, wouldn't it?
>
> Methinks you might be a bad influence on diggerop - by this time next
> year we may be looking at the Sydney Opera House in soapstone. :)
Yea... just a matter of time. He's asking questions already. I find
that whole technology very challenging and rewarding. Just wish I had
bought a bigger/better/3-head machine..yadda yadda yadda...<smirk>
>
r
On Nov 9, 1:24=A0pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
> Morris Dovey said:
>
> >Robatoy wrote:
> >> Indeed. The V-bit inserts, both the 90 and 60 degree ones go to a
> >> 'real' point. The stepper resolution would limit detail at that point.
>
> >Hmm - ready to build a machine with a bit more resolution yet? :)
>
> Does your software support half or quarter stepping?
> Not perfect, but it might attain more detail.
>
> >> The software allows me to set the detail resolution normal, 3x the
> >> data and 7 x the data. This was done at 3x. Stepover set at 40%
>
> What kind of mill do you have? Or did I already ask that... D'oh!
>
General 40-996. (Mine doesn't wear that funny green hat. Some farking
clown thought it would increase safety...as if...)
http://www.general.ca/site_gorilla/go_images/probrochuree.pdf
On Nov 9, 12:41=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 12:15=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
> > kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
> > The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
> > cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
> > rates.
> > I'm reasonably satisfied.
>
> > After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
> > of a rattle can.
>
> >http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=3Dview¤t=
=3D...
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
>
> ...you start with stone as a prelude to wood? =A0I thought the idea was
> to start easy and work up to hard.
>
> Nice looking stuff, though. =A0Why did you put that button in the
> picture? =A0No one knows how big that is - put a dime or quarter in the
> picture. =A0:)~
>
> R
That's a quarter, smartypants.
Oh, and the wood for a finely detailed carving is to be ebony, which
costs a lot more than soapstone.
I'm thinking about introducing soapstone countertops to my area, so I
am getting the feel of it.
Still looking for a propane forklift with all-weather tires though....
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Nov 9, 11:16 am, "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:76f3304e-cbe6-48a1-8b95-b1b72871f6ad@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
> > kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
> > The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
> > cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
> > rates.
> > I'm reasonably satisfied.
>
> > After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
> > of a rattle can.
>
> >http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=view¤t=...
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
>
> That is impressive. And you can increase the detail? Amazing. My wife
> would
> love it. .......... now ...... will I show her or not? ........... : )
>
> A question; I have no idea what size the coin in the last photo would
> be, -
> could you post the diameter as a reference?
>
> diggerop
It is a quarter. 0.94" or 23.88 mm if you're so inclined. *S* I
haven't worked it out in microcubits because my calculator ran out of
yak oil....and without yak oil, my yak won't work the treadmill.
I just sold a couple of desk name plates to be carved out of soapstone
for two executives. (I didn't really want to do this for those pompous
bastards, but when I said the price, they said..ohh..okay.)
Good on yer. : ) ....and thank you
diggerop
On Nov 9, 8:41=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 12:41=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 9, 12:15=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
> > > kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
> > > The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
> > > cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
> > > rates.
> > > I'm reasonably satisfied.
>
> > > After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
> > > of a rattle can.
>
> > >http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=3Dview¤t=
=3D...
>
> > >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>
> > >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>
> > >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
>
> > ...you start with stone as a prelude to wood? =A0I thought the idea was
> > to start easy and work up to hard.
>
> > Nice looking stuff, though. =A0Why did you put that button in the
> > picture? =A0No one knows how big that is - put a dime or quarter in the
> > picture. =A0:)~
>
>
> That's a quarter, smartypants.
Unless George Washington was a cross-dresser, that's no quarter.
> Oh, and the wood for a finely detailed carving is to be ebony, which
> costs a lot more than soapstone.
> I'm thinking about introducing soapstone countertops to my area, so I
> am getting the feel of it.
> Still looking for a propane forklift with all-weather tires though....
Do you know the name Wendell Castle?
http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/105343.html?mulR=3D13080
Third paragraph down.
He ran up against a wall with his ability to price his works. You can
only charge so much for a desk, and a desk is functional so it is not
art. To overcome the barrier he made the desk non-functional - he'd
carve an open book, or whatever, onto the top. This satisfied the art
world and, well, you can charge anything you want for art as the
people buying the stuff aren't using real/their money.
Maybe you should do that with your countertops. If you do, please
PayPal me 10% of your earnings on such works - ideas ain't free,
buddy.
Thank you.
R
On Nov 9, 7:00=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:35:58 -0500, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
> >[email protected] said:
> >I'm not Robatoy, but note that the listed $520 price does not include
> >many relatively expensive parts such as the ACME drive shafts, zero
> >backlash compensating drive nuts and mount, shaft couplers, guide
>
> Understood and knew all that. What I showed may have only covered
> 25%-50% needed parts list. What I really want to know is if the type
> of stuff I did link too were of sufficient quality to begin build what
> one would consider to be an above average CNC machine. Guess the
> question should have been do these parts qualify as a really decent
> starting point or should I be aiming higher?
I find these places helpful:
http://www.cnczone.com/
http://www.vectric.com/forum/
http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/discus.cgi
Morris Dovey said:
>[ two! two! two! ...]
>
>If you think this might be fun, you might be interested in
>
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/JBot/
>
>[ three! three! three! ...]
I totally don't understand the reference to the numerical sequences of
two and three?
I also missed the links to the JBot page; and here I thought I had
perused your site in its entirety. Guess that answers the question of
whether you can build a mill from plywood and junk parts. Did you use
bronze bushings on the guide rails or do they ride in nylon or wood?
What kind of accuracy do you get out of this? And is that TurboCNC?
I planned to make the guide rail supports out of wood as well since I
don't have a machine shop and certainly can't afford to pay for the
machine work. Rails out of hardened drill stock and sintered bronze
bushing slides. Class 2C ACME rod, 10 TPI. Damned those 2C nuts are
expensive, so was going to use cheap 2G nuts. A Dremel at first, and
probably a Bosch laminate trimmer when I can look at various models to
determine their bearing play - and can find one on sale or at a pawn
shop. Wanted accuracy approaching one thou but won't get there with
wooden and generic parts.
Greg G.
On Nov 9, 11:16=A0am, "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:76f3304e-cbe6-48a1-8b95-b1b72871f6ad@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
> > kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
> > The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
> > cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
> > rates.
> > I'm reasonably satisfied.
>
> > After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
> > of a rattle can.
>
> >http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=3Dview¤t=
=3D...
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
>
> That is impressive. And you can increase the detail? Amazing. =A0My wife =
would
> love it. .......... now ...... will I show her or not? ........... =A0: )
>
> A question; I have no idea what size the coin in the last photo would be,=
-
> could you post the diameter as a reference?
>
> diggerop
It is a quarter. 0.94" or 23.88 mm if you're so inclined. *S* I
haven't worked it out in microcubits because my calculator ran out of
yak oil....and without yak oil, my yak won't work the treadmill.
I just sold a couple of desk name plates to be carved out of soapstone
for two executives. (I didn't really want to do this for those pompous
bastards, but when I said the price, they said..ohh..okay.)
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:53:55 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Robatoy wrote:
>> Yea... just a matter of time. He's asking questions already. I find
>> that whole technology very challenging and rewarding. Just wish I had
>> bought a bigger/better/3-head machine..yadda yadda yadda...<smirk>
>
>I've been looking for exc^h^h^hreasons for needing a 7-axis machine...
>
>...and wondering if it could be built on the cheap. :)
Just do 3 things:
1) Line up customers for output from the machine.
2) Pry your credit card out and do the one buy. (I just did that with
the computer. This old one is dying and I needed to upgrade, so I went
$555.97 into hock for a new one.)
3) Make the parts and rake in the cashish.
(Oh, if only it were that easy...)
I just won an eBay auction for a new book, _The 4-hour Work Week_.
I'll be [five, five, five] shortly, I hope. ;)
--
The Smart Person learns from his mistakes.
The Wise Person learns from the mistakes of others.
And then there are all the rest of us...
-----------------------------------------------------
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:35:58 -0500, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] said:
>I'm not Robatoy, but note that the listed $520 price does not include
>many relatively expensive parts such as the ACME drive shafts, zero
>backlash compensating drive nuts and mount, shaft couplers, guide
Understood and knew all that. What I showed may have only covered
25%-50% needed parts list. What I really want to know is if the type
of stuff I did link too were of sufficient quality to begin build what
one would consider to be an above average CNC machine. Guess the
question should have been do these parts qualify as a really decent
starting point or should I be aiming higher?
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> diggerop wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> On Nov 9, 11:16 am, "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote:
>>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:76f3304e-cbe6-48a1-8b95-b1b72871f6ad@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
>>> > kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
>>> > The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
>>> > cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
>>> > rates.
>>> > I'm reasonably satisfied.
>>>
>>> > After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
>>> > of a rattle can.
>>>
>>> >http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=view¤t=...
>>>
>>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>>>
>>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>>>
>>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
>>>
>>> That is impressive. And you can increase the detail? Amazing. My wife
>>> would
>>> love it. .......... now ...... will I show her or not? ........... : )
>>>
>>> A question; I have no idea what size the coin in the last photo would
>>> be, -
>>> could you post the diameter as a reference?
>>>
>>> diggerop
>>
>> It is a quarter. 0.94" or 23.88 mm if you're so inclined. *S* I
>> haven't worked it out in microcubits because my calculator ran out of
>> yak oil....and without yak oil, my yak won't work the treadmill.
>>
>> I just sold a couple of desk name plates to be carved out of soapstone
>> for two executives. (I didn't really want to do this for those pompous
>> bastards, but when I said the price, they said..ohh..okay.)
>>
>> Good on yer. : ) ....and thank you
>
> [ two! two! two! ...]
>
> If you think this might be fun, you might be interested in
>
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/JBot/
>
> [ three! three! three! ...]
>
> :-D
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Oh so tempting. ...... so very very tempting. : )
I've read your website many times and continue to follow your progress with
great interest and even greater admiration. Not only for what I see as your
genius and determination, but also for the philosphy you espouse. The world
will undoubtably be a better place for you having lived in it. Not so many
of us that can say the same.
You Sir, are what us Aussies would call, "a really good bloke."
I wish you every success.
diggerop
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:76f3304e-cbe6-48a1-8b95-b1b72871f6ad@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
> kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
> The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
> cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
> rates.
> I'm reasonably satisfied.
>
> After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
> of a rattle can.
>
> http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=view¤t=Lighthousecnc.flv
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
That is impressive. And you can increase the detail? Amazing. My wife would
love it. .......... now ...... will I show her or not? ........... : )
A question; I have no idea what size the coin in the last photo would be, -
could you post the diameter as a reference?
diggerop
"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Morris Dovey said:
>
>>[ two! two! two! ...]
>>
>>If you think this might be fun, you might be interested in
>>
>> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/JBot/
>>
>>[ three! three! three! ...]
>
> I totally don't understand the reference to the numerical sequences of
> two and three?
>
Heh. Morris and Robatoy each have a CNC bot. [ two! two! two! ...]
Morris provided the link to his and suggested it might interest me
Hence [ three! three! three! ...]
: )
[email protected] said:
>On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:35:58 -0500, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] said:
>>I'm not Robatoy, but note that the listed $520 price does not include
>>many relatively expensive parts such as the ACME drive shafts, zero
>>backlash compensating drive nuts and mount, shaft couplers, guide
>
>Understood and knew all that. What I showed may have only covered
>25%-50% needed parts list. What I really want to know is if the type
>of stuff I did link too were of sufficient quality to begin build what
>one would consider to be an above average CNC machine. Guess the
>question should have been do these parts qualify as a really decent
>starting point or should I be aiming higher?
Oops - Sorry about that. The link you provided seems a bit pricey but
I didn't look up the impedance/torque/brand of the stepper motors.
One of the more popular vendors among the CNC groups is:
http://www.hobbycnc.com/
MSC and McMaster-Carr are also reasonable sources for ACME lead screws
and nuts, either solid or ball, and machined steel drill shafts and
bushings of every description. Carbon steel lead screws wear fast but
are acceptable for experimenters:
http://www.mscdirect.com/
http://www.mcmaster.com/
Selection of the stepper motors, controllers and power supply, along
with the purely mechanical components, are dependant on what speeds,
loads, and accuracy you require out of the machine. Planning is
essential. I'd check out the CNC groups such as CNCZone for hints and
tricks on DIYing a CNC machine.
There is tons of software available. As for controller software,
TurboCNC is sort of free for non-commercial use but runs under DOS.
Master5 is another and runs under Windoze and includes a device driver
that supposedly deals with the Win API exclusive port access issue
which causes inconsistent timing. (Steppers are a bit jerky.) Yeager
Automation used to offer controller software but the link I have is
dead.
Then you have ArtCam, GibbsCAM, DelCAM, MasterCAM, NCPlot and a few
other G-Code generators that plug into popular CAD programs such as
SolidWorks. Other programs will display your g-code and toolpaths in
visual 3D form so that you can check for tool interference and such.
FWIW,
Greg G.
On Nov 9, 4:47=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 12:27 pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> I have a question - do customers actually want details of this sort
> >> engraved into their countertops or was this an experiment to test the
> >> limits of what could be done?
>
> > Both. So far I have been lucky to get paid for the challenges I have
> > wrestled to the ground.
>
> You're being improperly modest. Do you still have the photos of your
> backlit inlay work? Would you post a link, please?
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
You mean this ol' thing?
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Backlit.jpg
On Nov 9, 2:51=A0pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy said:
>
> >On Nov 9, 1:24=A0pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
> >> What kind of mill do you have? Or did I already ask that... D'oh!
>
> >General 40-996. (Mine doesn't wear that funny green hat. Some farking
> >clown thought it would increase safety...as if...)
>
> Cripes - that is some serious machinery. I assumed you had DIY'd
> something together. My lowly Unisaw bowed in reverence to this
> behemoth and slunk away into the parts room.
> 48x96 - grumble... Has anyone told you that you suck yet?
> As for the hat, hope it's not fluorescent orange/yellow/anything.
> It just isn't a General if it ain't Green with red maple leaf.
>
> The local dealer carried General as well, and I leaned that way on the
> saw, but the deal on the Delta was too good to pass up. One of the
> last to come from Tupelo, MS. Then to China, then back to TN.
> The blowback from the import must have been significant.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
> The brochure was interesting reading; pseudo geek that I am.
>
> Greg G.
welll.*coughs* it's /really/ 50 x 100 but what's another 2.72 sq ft?
(Handy for those 49x97 sheets of MDF and melamine though.)
On Nov 9, 5:16=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:24:54 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hey Robatoy,
> I was at a Games Show/Hobby Show yesterday at the international centre
> yesterday and one booth was flogging a CNC machine about 3'x6' in
> table size.
>
> Parts and plans for the machine is supposed to cost something along
> the lines of $500. The one they had there was made out of mdf, but
> they apparently have plans to make housings and superstructure out of
> metal, if that's how one wants to go.
>
> Considering your experience with these things, likely much more
> sophisticated that this one, would you say I'm headed down the right
> beginner's track if something like this is what I started off with?http:/=
/www.rockcliffcnc.com/http://www.rockcliffcnc.com/ProductDetails.asp?Produc=
tCode=3DRCPNP
For openers, it is a lightweight project, but all the rules are the
same,
Whether you're throwing around a 10HP across a 10-ft table or a 1 hp
minirouter on a table-top.
Up, down, sideways. back and forth pretty much sums it up.
Small table-top devices can be a hoot to work/play with and can come
up with some pretty cool results.
It is obvious that duty and project size determine your needs.
If there is one thing that I read, consistently, is that brushed
router motors (aside from being noisy) are not really designed to run
for long periods of time. The duty cycle is ...what.. 1/2 hour max, in
a router table? Spindles will run for weeks on end and are designed to
do so. But... would you hang an expensive spindle on a MDF frame, and
then try to push it around with 240 oz/in steppers?
It seems that the whole CNC thing goes up in doubles. You can have a
lot of fun for about a g-note. To notice a markedly better
performance, 2K. Then 4, 8, 16, 32... you get the picture.
You can have a lot of fun for $3K US.. http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?p=
age=3D19666&source=3Dgoogleps.
Comes with Vectric V-Carve Pro (Aspire's kid brother)
As Greg pointed out, you're nowhere near done by buying that kit. The
rest really adds up in a hurry.
On Nov 9, 11:28=A0am, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
> > kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
> > The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
> > cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
> > rates.
> > I'm reasonably satisfied.
>
> Looks pretty decent. What spindle speed went along with the 2"/sec feed?
18,000 rpm. I took the 1/2 hogging endmill down to 12,000
> How long did it take, and did you do it _all_ with the same 1/16" bit?
Less than hour including changing the bits. 3 bits.
> (I think I'd have been tempted to hog away the material around the
> lighthouse with a 1/2" square-end bit.)
3 toolpaths. One 1/2" hog, one 1/4" cleanup hog and then the rest with
the .0625 ball nose. The 1/4" end mill created most of the shape so
the ballnose didn't have to cut much deeper than 1/8"
>
> A second pass with a 1/64" bit might allow finer detail, and a third
> pass with a V-bit would allow signing each brick :)
Indeed. The V-bit inserts, both the 90 and 60 degree ones go to a
'real' point. The stepper resolution would limit detail at that point.
The run-out on the spindle doesn't wiggle the indicator needle..
Period.
The software allows me to set the detail resolution normal, 3x the
data and 7 x the data. This was done at 3x. Stepover set at 40%
You know what a Canuckistani quarter looks like, eh? LOL
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
In article <[email protected]>,
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> You bags came to the store instead of being drop shipped. I cannot remember
> your last name or company name to contact you (DOH!).
>
> Please call the store.
>
> David.
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:76f3304e-cbe6-48a1-8b95-b1b72871f6ad@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> > 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
> > kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
> > The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
> > cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
> > rates.
> > I'm reasonably satisfied.
> >
> > After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
> > of a rattle can.
> >
> > http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=view¤t=Lightho
> > usecnc.flv
> >
> > http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
> >
> > http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
> >
> > http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
We entered those into inventory last month.
Besides, if we hadn't had them by now, either you or the fine people at
Fein would have heard by now LOL
But if they're 'extra'...well then..
On Nov 9, 3:14=A0pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Greg G. wrote:
> > 48x96 - grumble... Has anyone told you that you suck yet?
>
> Heh. =A0Heh heh. =A0I think he gave up counting a long time ago. =A0:-)
>
> --
> See Nad. =A0See Nad go. =A0Go Nad!
> To reply, eat the taco.http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
HEY!!! Morris's has more horsepower!!
On Nov 9, 12:15=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
> kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
> The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
> cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
> rates.
> I'm reasonably satisfied.
>
> After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
> of a rattle can.
>
> http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=3Dview¤t=3D=
...
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
...you start with stone as a prelude to wood? I thought the idea was
to start easy and work up to hard.
Nice looking stuff, though. Why did you put that button in the
picture? No one knows how big that is - put a dime or quarter in the
picture. :)~
R
Morris Dovey said:
>Robatoy wrote:
>> 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
>> kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
>> The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
>> cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
>> rates.
>> I'm reasonably satisfied.
>
>Looks pretty decent. What spindle speed went along with the 2"/sec feed?
>How long did it take, and did you do it _all_ with the same 1/16" bit?
>(I think I'd have been tempted to hog away the material around the
>lighthouse with a 1/2" square-end bit.)
>
>A second pass with a 1/64" bit might allow finer detail, and a third
>pass with a V-bit would allow signing each brick :)
Looked good to me, even with that counterfeit quarter/Canuck slug.
As for signing each brick, that's a lot of G-code to write.
I'm still working, slowly, on a DIY mill, but cash flow has become an
impediment to its completion. Perhaps one day I'll carve some fugly
face in a block of aluminum or ebonized walnut.
I have a question - do customers actually want details of this sort
engraved into their countertops or was this an experiment to test the
limits of what could be done? Are you using a canned mill/software
combo, or is this DIY?
Greg G.
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:29:05 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You can have a lot of fun for $3K US.. http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=19666&source=googleps.
>Comes with Vectric V-Carve Pro (Aspire's kid brother)
>As Greg pointed out, you're nowhere near done by buying that kit. The
>rest really adds up in a hurry.
Looks like a nice unit, but I'd prefer to build one myself considering
that all the parts, pieces and documentation are available. It's the
best way for me to learn.
[email protected] said:
>On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:24:54 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Hey Robatoy,
>I was at a Games Show/Hobby Show yesterday at the international centre
>yesterday and one booth was flogging a CNC machine about 3'x6' in
>table size.
>
>Parts and plans for the machine is supposed to cost something along
>the lines of $500. The one they had there was made out of mdf, but
>they apparently have plans to make housings and superstructure out of
>metal, if that's how one wants to go.
>
>Considering your experience with these things, likely much more
>sophisticated that this one, would you say I'm headed down the right
>beginner's track if something like this is what I started off with?
>http://www.rockcliffcnc.com/
>http://www.rockcliffcnc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RCPNP
I'm not Robatoy, but note that the listed $520 price does not include
many relatively expensive parts such as the ACME drive shafts, zero
backlash compensating drive nuts and mount, shaft couplers, guide
rails, slide bushings, rail blocks and the basic structure (even if
DIY of MDF). You also need an appropriate spindle motor, bits, and
CNC software for driving the unit and another for generating the
G-Code. (Simple designs can be coded by hand, however.)
Greg G.
diggerop said:
>"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Morris Dovey said:
>>
>>>[ two! two! two! ...]
>>>
>>>If you think this might be fun, you might be interested in
>>>
>>> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/JBot/
>>>
>>>[ three! three! three! ...]
>>
>> I totally don't understand the reference to the numerical sequences of
>> two and three?
>>
>
>Heh. Morris and Robatoy each have a CNC bot. [ two! two! two! ...]
>Morris provided the link to his and suggested it might interest me
>Hence [ three! three! three! ...]
OK- then it's [four! four! four!...]
(Don't mind the short bus parked over here.)
Or perhaps 3.5 would be more appropriate at this time.
The controllers are still breadboarded and the firmware for the micros
is still beta, but given the inspiration provided today...
Planned to do it back in the late 80s, but nasty things like lawyers
and survival got in the way. Sure has gotten a lot simple to DIY one
in the interim, however. There's a whole bunch of software I don't
have to write available now.
Greg G.
Robatoy said:
>On Nov 9, 12:27 pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I have a question - do customers actually want details of this sort
>> engraved into their countertops or was this an experiment to test the
>> limits of what could be done?
>
>Both. So far I have been lucky to get paid for the challenges I have
>wrestled to the ground.
>
>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CoffeLodge2.jpg
>
>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
>
>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
>
>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/BDayCard.jpg
Well done and very custom - I'm sure they both loved it.
Thanks for the inut.
Greg G.
Robatoy wrote:
> 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
> kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
> The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
> cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
> rates.
> I'm reasonably satisfied.
Looks pretty decent. What spindle speed went along with the 2"/sec feed?
How long did it take, and did you do it _all_ with the same 1/16" bit?
(I think I'd have been tempted to hog away the material around the
lighthouse with a 1/2" square-end bit.)
A second pass with a 1/64" bit might allow finer detail, and a third
pass with a V-bit would allow signing each brick :)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
diggerop wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> On Nov 9, 11:16 am, "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:76f3304e-cbe6-48a1-8b95-b1b72871f6ad@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
>> > kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
>> > The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
>> > cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
>> > rates.
>> > I'm reasonably satisfied.
>>
>> > After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
>> > of a rattle can.
>>
>> >http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=view¤t=...
>>
>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>>
>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>>
>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
>>
>> That is impressive. And you can increase the detail? Amazing. My wife
>> would
>> love it. .......... now ...... will I show her or not? ........... : )
>>
>> A question; I have no idea what size the coin in the last photo would
>> be, -
>> could you post the diameter as a reference?
>>
>> diggerop
>
> It is a quarter. 0.94" or 23.88 mm if you're so inclined. *S* I
> haven't worked it out in microcubits because my calculator ran out of
> yak oil....and without yak oil, my yak won't work the treadmill.
>
> I just sold a couple of desk name plates to be carved out of soapstone
> for two executives. (I didn't really want to do this for those pompous
> bastards, but when I said the price, they said..ohh..okay.)
>
> Good on yer. : ) ....and thank you
[ two! two! two! ...]
If you think this might be fun, you might be interested in
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/JBot/
[ three! three! three! ...]
:-D
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 9, 11:28 am, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
>>> kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
>>> The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
>>> cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
>>> rates.
>>> I'm reasonably satisfied.
>> Looks pretty decent. What spindle speed went along with the 2"/sec feed?
>
> 18,000 rpm. I took the 1/2 hogging endmill down to 12,000
>> How long did it take, and did you do it _all_ with the same 1/16" bit?
>
> Less than hour including changing the bits. 3 bits.
That's pretty good. I suspect the 40% stepover helped a /lot/ with the
runtime.
>> (I think I'd have been tempted to hog away the material around the
>> lighthouse with a 1/2" square-end bit.)
>
> 3 toolpaths. One 1/2" hog, one 1/4" cleanup hog and then the rest with
> the .0625 ball nose. The 1/4" end mill created most of the shape so
> the ballnose didn't have to cut much deeper than 1/8"
>> A second pass with a 1/64" bit might allow finer detail, and a third
>> pass with a V-bit would allow signing each brick :)
>
> Indeed. The V-bit inserts, both the 90 and 60 degree ones go to a
> 'real' point. The stepper resolution would limit detail at that point.
Hmm - ready to build a machine with a bit more resolution yet? :)
> The run-out on the spindle doesn't wiggle the indicator needle..
> Period.
>
> The software allows me to set the detail resolution normal, 3x the
> data and 7 x the data. This was done at 3x. Stepover set at 40%
>
> You know what a Canuckistani quarter looks like, eh? LOL
As a matter of fact, I /do/. Have a bright shiny one right here. I still
like the bi-metal (center hasn't fallen out of this one), but my
favorite is still the $50 maple leaf. :)
Methinks you might be a bad influence on diggerop - by this time next
year we may be looking at the Sydney Opera House in soapstone. :)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 9, 12:00 pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hmm - ready to build a machine with a bit more resolution yet? :)
>
> I can just change out the steppers. The drivers and all that are up to
> that. I'm basically pushing the envelope to see if any of that would
> make sense.
I predict it will...
> You haven't bought anything with that 50-dollar coin yet? It'd make a
> nice tip after a big fancy meal, wouldn't it?
It would, but it'll stay in the little plaque on my desk. I'm not a
collector or hoarder, but it's one of the three prettiest coins I have
(the others are a Saudi sovereign and a Dutch 2-1/2 Gulden coin).
>> Methinks you might be a bad influence on diggerop - by this time next
>> year we may be looking at the Sydney Opera House in soapstone. :)
>
> Yea... just a matter of time. He's asking questions already. I find
> that whole technology very challenging and rewarding. Just wish I had
> bought a bigger/better/3-head machine..yadda yadda yadda...<smirk>
I've been looking for exc^h^h^hreasons for needing a 7-axis machine...
...and wondering if it could be built on the cheap. :)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Greg G. wrote:
> Morris Dovey said:
>> A second pass with a 1/64" bit might allow finer detail, and a third
>> pass with a V-bit would allow signing each brick :)
>
> Looked good to me, even with that counterfeit quarter/Canuck slug.
> As for signing each brick, that's a lot of G-code to write.
Nyet - a moderately simple subroutine could handle it (including scaling
to left and right vanishing points). I was being a smartass because to
do it robatoy would have to upgrade at least his steppers - and you'd
need a loupe to read the sig. :)
> I'm still working, slowly, on a DIY mill, but cash flow has become an
> impediment to its completion. Perhaps one day I'll carve some fugly
> face in a block of aluminum or ebonized walnut.
Stay with it! You'll have even more fun with it than you could ever expect.
>
> I have a question - do customers actually want details of this sort
> engraved into their countertops or was this an experiment to test the
> limits of what could be done? Are you using a canned mill/software
> combo, or is this DIY?
Robatoy has done some pretty spiffy stuff with countertops, but I think
he's looking for more challenging/artful projects.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Greg G. wrote:
> Morris Dovey said:
>
>> [ two! two! two! ...]
>>
>> If you think this might be fun, you might be interested in
>>
>> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/JBot/
>>
>> [ three! three! three! ...]
>
> I totally don't understand the reference to the numerical sequences of
> two and three?
See Lew's post "O/T: How I Learned To Mind My Own Business"
> I also missed the links to the JBot page; and here I thought I had
> perused your site in its entirety. Guess that answers the question of
> whether you can build a mill from plywood and junk parts. Did you use
> bronze bushings on the guide rails or do they ride in nylon or wood?
> What kind of accuracy do you get out of this? And is that TurboCNC?
Hey! No junk parts in /that/ machine (except maybe the HF router). I
don't even dream of calling it a mill - it's just a router.
All of the slides (and the Acme-threaded lead screw followers) are cut
from a 3" Delrin rod.
I can't honestly say anything about the accuracy because I don't have
any equipment capable of measuring it. The step size is approximately
0.0002083" (probably much less than the runout on the HF router).
Yuppers - what you see on the screen is TurboCNC. It's easy to set up,
reliable, and the support is good. The bad news is that it runs in an
MS-DOS environment.
> I planned to make the guide rail supports out of wood as well since I
> don't have a machine shop and certainly can't afford to pay for the
> machine work. Rails out of hardened drill stock and sintered bronze
> bushing slides. Class 2C ACME rod, 10 TPI. Damned those 2C nuts are
> expensive, so was going to use cheap 2G nuts. A Dremel at first, and
> probably a Bosch laminate trimmer when I can look at various models to
> determine their bearing play - and can find one on sale or at a pawn
> shop. Wanted accuracy approaching one thou but won't get there with
> wooden and generic parts.
I think you can, but you end up making more of your own parts to get
there. The interesting part of the design process for me was to work to
minimize the number of 'critical' measurements needed for the complete
machine to have maximum accuracy.
[ I found Lew's story:
I was walking past the mental hospital the other day,
And all the patients were shouting, '13....13....13.'
The fence was too high to see over, but I saw a little gap in the
planks, so I looked through to see what was going on.....
Some idiot poked me in the eye with a stick!
Then they all started shouting '14....14....14'...
]
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 9, 12:27 pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I have a question - do customers actually want details of this sort
>> engraved into their countertops or was this an experiment to test the
>> limits of what could be done?
>
> Both. So far I have been lucky to get paid for the challenges I have
> wrestled to the ground.
You're being improperly modest. Do you still have the photos of your
backlit inlay work? Would you post a link, please?
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
[email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:24:54 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hey Robatoy,
> I was at a Games Show/Hobby Show yesterday at the international centre
> yesterday and one booth was flogging a CNC machine about 3'x6' in
> table size.
>
> Parts and plans for the machine is supposed to cost something along
> the lines of $500. The one they had there was made out of mdf, but
> they apparently have plans to make housings and superstructure out of
> metal, if that's how one wants to go.
>
> Considering your experience with these things, likely much more
> sophisticated that this one, would you say I'm headed down the right
> beginner's track if something like this is what I started off with?
> http://www.rockcliffcnc.com/
> http://www.rockcliffcnc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RCPNP
WTF? The rendering at the top of the page shows two x-axis steppers and
a z-axis stepper and right below it is a 3-motor kit. How about a y-axis
stepper?
What Greg said, and I've had good experiences with
http://www.hobbycnc.com/products/hobbycnc-pro-driver-board-packages/
I have their 4-axis package with their 23-205-DS8 steppers and like it.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 9, 4:47 pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 12:27 pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I have a question - do customers actually want details of this sort
>>>> engraved into their countertops or was this an experiment to test the
>>>> limits of what could be done?
>>> Both. So far I have been lucky to get paid for the challenges I have
>>> wrestled to the ground.
>> You're being improperly modest. Do you still have the photos of your
>> backlit inlay work? Would you post a link, please?
>>
>> --
>> Morris Dovey
>> DeSoto Solar
>> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>
> You mean this ol' thing?
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Backlit.jpg
Wow! No. ;-) I was speaking of v-grooved and filled piece with LED
backlighting.
That lithophane looks pretty good, tho - and I think you snuck in a
sawhorse drive-by. :)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
[email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:21:45 -0600, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> WTF? The rendering at the top of the page shows two x-axis steppers and
>> a z-axis stepper and right below it is a 3-motor kit. How about a y-axis
>> stepper?
>>
>> What Greg said, and I've had good experiences with
>>
>> http://www.hobbycnc.com/products/hobbycnc-pro-driver-board-packages/
>>
>> I have their 4-axis package with their 23-205-DS8 steppers and like it.
>
> Hey Morris, don't chew me out. I barely know what a 2-axis stepper
> does. I'm guessing a 4-axis model adds a few more directions to that
> equation.
Oops - sorry, I wasn't chewing you out. They caught me by surprise by
offering to sell a four motor plan set right beside a three motor
package. Fried my calculator, so to speak.
>
> Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
>
> By the way Morris (and Robatory and anyone else who wants to take
> part), I'm going to be picking your brains while I build a list of
> what to buy. And then, you can tell me what to add or subtract. That's
> after some considerable discussion.
Ok. Might be a good idea to lurk a bit on the CNC metalworking group -
those guys have a lot of good experience and occasionally post photos of
interesting projects (for example: a cnc-milled steel boob for a bra
manufacturer).
Be warned that this CNC stuff can make you lose sleep, think weird
thoughts, and twist your sense of humor in strange ways. If you haven't
seen the video of robatoy's chicken spinner, you should. I, myself, have
kept most of my marbles in the basket - but I'm still working on my
weapons-grade CNC pie thrower...
:)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Morris Dovey said:
>Robatoy wrote:
>> Indeed. The V-bit inserts, both the 90 and 60 degree ones go to a
>> 'real' point. The stepper resolution would limit detail at that point.
>
>Hmm - ready to build a machine with a bit more resolution yet? :)
Does your software support half or quarter stepping?
Not perfect, but it might attain more detail.
>> The software allows me to set the detail resolution normal, 3x the
>> data and 7 x the data. This was done at 3x. Stepover set at 40%
What kind of mill do you have? Or did I already ask that... D'oh!
>> You know what a Canuckistani quarter looks like, eh? LOL
>
>As a matter of fact, I /do/. Have a bright shiny one right here. I still
>like the bi-metal (center hasn't fallen out of this one), but my
>favorite is still the $50 maple leaf. :)
Got a box full of coins from various countries, including the bimetal
coin referenced. I imagine that was an expensive coin to mint and
didn't know they fell apart! Figures those drunken Canuckistanians
would come up with a coin that literally lost value in your pocket.
Oh, wait, that's the US.
>Methinks you might be a bad influence on diggerop - by this time next
>year we may be looking at the Sydney Opera House in soapstone. :)
And that would be So Cool.
Greg G.
Rob,
You bags came to the store instead of being drop shipped. I cannot remember
your last name or company name to contact you (DOH!).
Please call the store.
David.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:76f3304e-cbe6-48a1-8b95-b1b72871f6ad@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
> kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
> The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
> cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
> rates.
> I'm reasonably satisfied.
>
> After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
> of a rattle can.
>
> http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=view¤t=Lighthousecnc.flv
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
Morris Dovey said:
>Greg G. wrote:
>
>> I totally don't understand the reference to the numerical sequences of
>> two and three?
>
>See Lew's post "O/T: How I Learned To Mind My Own Business"
Hey, I've been told to do that before, mister.
>Yuppers - what you see on the screen is TurboCNC. It's easy to set up,
>reliable, and the support is good. The bad news is that it runs in an
>MS-DOS environment.
Well, at least that avoids the erratic LPT port timing issues under
Windoze. I've got a copy here somewhere, along with some other stuff
from years ago. Yeager I think. Never used any of them yet, so can't
comment on use.
>> Wanted accuracy approaching one thou but won't get there with
>> wooden and generic parts.
>
>I think you can, but you end up making more of your own parts to get
>there. The interesting part of the design process for me was to work to
>minimize the number of 'critical' measurements needed for the complete
>machine to have maximum accuracy.
With machinery, the next version will be better than the last because
you have machinery to make more accurate parts for the next version.
I take it this becomes an obsession and one is never enough. ;-)
My problem is not having a metal working lathe - only a wood lathe.
> I found Lew's story:
>
> I was walking past the mental hospital the other day,
> And all the patients were shouting, '13....13....13.'
>
> The fence was too high to see over, but I saw a little gap in the
> planks, so I looked through to see what was going on.....
>
> Some idiot poked me in the eye with a stick!
>
> Then they all started shouting '14....14....14'...
>]
Funny! I missed it the first time around.
Thanks for the info.
Greg G.
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:15:10 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
>kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
>The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
>cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
>rates.
>I'm reasonably satisfied.
>
>After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
>of a rattle can.
>
>http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=view¤t=Lighthousecnc.flv
>
>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>
>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
Cool!
>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
Saaay, is that a real-live Canuckistani Ducat I see there?
--
The Smart Person learns from his mistakes.
The Wise Person learns from the mistakes of others.
And then there are all the rest of us...
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:24:54 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hey Robatoy,
I was at a Games Show/Hobby Show yesterday at the international centre
yesterday and one booth was flogging a CNC machine about 3'x6' in
table size.
Parts and plans for the machine is supposed to cost something along
the lines of $500. The one they had there was made out of mdf, but
they apparently have plans to make housings and superstructure out of
metal, if that's how one wants to go.
Considering your experience with these things, likely much more
sophisticated that this one, would you say I'm headed down the right
beginner's track if something like this is what I started off with?
http://www.rockcliffcnc.com/
http://www.rockcliffcnc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RCPNP
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:33:07 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Nov 9, 10:44 am, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:15:10 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>> >3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
>> >kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
>> >The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
>> >cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
>> >rates.
>> >I'm reasonably satisfied.
>>
>> >After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
>> >of a rattle can.
>>
>> >http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=view¤t=...
>>
>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>>
>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>>
>> Cool!
>
>Thankee, kind sir. I am trying very hard to steer away from those #$%#@
>%^ countertops and do something more creative with my time. I turned
>60 last April and I'm really worried that I won't get to complete my
>bucket list in the next 25+ years.
I made it to 56 last August. Getting away from the countertops is
easy. Just hire guys to do ALL the work for you. You do the easy
stuff, the billing and other paperwork a couple hours a day and play
the rest of the time. What's so tough?
>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
>>
>> Saaay, is that a real-live Canuckistani Ducat I see there?
>>
>For a mint version of the Royal Canuckistani Quarter, see if you can
>pry open some visiting Dutch guy's change purse.
Fat chance. They're worse that _Scotsmen_, fer chrissake!
--
The Smart Person learns from his mistakes.
The Wise Person learns from the mistakes of others.
And then there are all the rest of us...
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:43:01 -0600, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Think weird thoughts
No problem, do that already.
> and twist your sense of humor in strange ways.
Don't have one as many people here will attest to.
>kept most of my marbles in the basket - but I'm still working on my
>weapons-grade CNC pie thrower...
You mean how to create a CNC built pie trebuchet?
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:24:54 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Nov 9, 11:16 am, "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
>>
>> That is impressive. And you can increase the detail? Amazing. My wife would
>> love it. .......... now ...... will I show her or not? ........... : )
>>
>> A question; I have no idea what size the coin in the last photo would be, -
>> could you post the diameter as a reference?
>>
>> diggerop
>
>It is a quarter. 0.94" or 23.88 mm if you're so inclined. *S* I
>haven't worked it out in microcubits because my calculator ran out of
>yak oil....and without yak oil, my yak won't work the treadmill.
Here's what happens to yaks who don't play by my rules:
I hand 'em their head http://fwd4.me/3aD
>I just sold a couple of desk name plates to be carved out of soapstone
>for two executives. (I didn't really want to do this for those pompous
>bastards, but when I said the price, they said..ohh..okay.)
Double it for the next set of pomposities. And start marking off that
Bucket List, boy!
A friend just sent this to me, entitled "Deer for breakfast, anyone?"
http://www.snotr.com/video/2772 ROTFLMAO!
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The Wise Person learns from the mistakes of others.
And then there are all the rest of us...
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"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> diggerop wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> On Nov 9, 11:16 am, "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote:
>>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:76f3304e-cbe6-48a1-8b95-b1b72871f6ad@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > 3HP spindle on a 1/16" ball nose bit. 2"/second feed rate. That gets
>>> > kind of hairy as soapstone can have some hard veins in it.
>>> > The goal of this experiment was to get acceptable detail at fast
>>> > cutting/feed rates. Detail can be increased by smaller step-over
>>> > rates.
>>> > I'm reasonably satisfied.
>>>
>>> > After cutting, I coated the stone with FrogJuice. A clear coating out
>>> > of a rattle can.
>>>
>>> >http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/?action=view¤t=...
>>>
>>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Detail-1.jpg
>>>
>>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/FrogJuice.jpg
>>>
>>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Relativesize.jpg
>>>
>>> That is impressive. And you can increase the detail? Amazing. My wife
>>> would
>>> love it. .......... now ...... will I show her or not? ........... : )
>>>
>>> A question; I have no idea what size the coin in the last photo would
>>> be, -
>>> could you post the diameter as a reference?
>>>
>>> diggerop
>>
>> It is a quarter. 0.94" or 23.88 mm if you're so inclined. *S* I
>> haven't worked it out in microcubits because my calculator ran out of
>> yak oil....and without yak oil, my yak won't work the treadmill.
>>
>> I just sold a couple of desk name plates to be carved out of soapstone
>> for two executives. (I didn't really want to do this for those pompous
>> bastards, but when I said the price, they said..ohh..okay.)
>>
>> Good on yer. : ) ....and thank you
>
> [ two! two! two! ...]
>
> If you think this might be fun, you might be interested in
>
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/JBot/
>
> [ three! three! three! ...]
>
Heh.
I keep going back looking at your bot. It fascinates me. However, I won't
try to build one. Too many projects on the go now and too little time. (How
come I then spend so much time writing drivel and posting it on the wreck.?
A recently aqquired medical condition, that requires me to be seated for
treatment at 4/5 hours every day - temporarily, I hope.)
I thought about buying a mini version, but it would really be just another
toy for me to play with. Got far too many of them as it is.
If I could think of a reason to use it commercially, perhaps providing
employment for somebody, I'd go for the idea. Brilliant machines.
diggerop