"tommyboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:52:05 -0600, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Doug Miller wrote:
>>> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- not
>>> sure
>>> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a
>>> replacement?
>>>
>>> TIA...
>>
>>If you have a decent air compressor in your shop, I'd seriously consider
>>one of these babies:
>>
>>http://www.abrasivesupply.com/Dynabrade_Sanders_Dynabrade_Dynorbital_DA_Sanders_s/61.htm
> What would be considered a "decent air compressor"?
Apparently one that's capable of producing a minimum of 14 CFM. Imagine
how much power ($$) it would take to run that sander .
However, in a commercial shop................
> Does Dynabrade use proprietary sanding disks?
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- not
> sure
> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a
> replacement?
>
> TIA...
Pricey but probably your last. Festool Rotex. I have one and it runs
circles around my agressive PC right angle ROS that I bought 20 years ago.
With a shop vac, there is no dust. 2 spin modes, Agressive and Random
Orbit. Oddly Agrressive is easier to control than ROS mode.
Then there is a Festool ROS that you can literally control with your finger
on top to guide it. No holding required. Turn it on, set it down, and
guide it with the tip of your finger. Really.
On Nov 11, 3:43=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:36:05 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I said....not to mention it!!!
>
> What? You suddenly appear at 3:00 in the morning? Only time I do that
> is when I've fallen asleep drunk and then woken up in the middle of
> the night, slightly more alert with a dry mouth and the need to pee.
Puppy is now 5 months old. Had to take a series of pees... Angela
calls it P-mail. I figured I might as well too. Noticed my monitor
left on... I never shut this particular Mac off, but do shut down the
LCD monitor. It's my 'mail Mac'... online since the install of OSX in
2000 without a crash.... the odd reboot after a system upgrade but
thatsabout it. Just an old G4, and at 1 GHz not the swiftest, but it
knows how to read my mail and browse a bit. The Festool of computers,
that.
On Nov 11, 2:35=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:30:12 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Pricey but probably your last. =A0Festool Rotex. =A0I have one and it ru=
ns
> >circles around my agressive PC right angle ROS that I bought 20 years ag=
o.
>
> You forgot the hard part. That's when it ran rings around your credit
> card several times while taking several bites out of it.
The quantum leap in performance is reflected in the price. Not to
mention durability.
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I said....not to mention it!!!
Leon wrote:
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- not
>> sure
>> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a
>> replacement?
>>
>> TIA...
>
> Pricey but probably your last. Festool Rotex. I have one and it runs
> circles around my agressive PC right angle ROS that I bought 20 years ago.
> With a shop vac, there is no dust. 2 spin modes, Agressive and Random
> Orbit. Oddly Agrressive is easier to control than ROS mode.
>
> Then there is a Festool ROS that you can literally control with your finger
> on top to guide it. No holding required. Turn it on, set it down, and
> guide it with the tip of your finger. Really.
Nice to have friends who just love to sand!! ;)
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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:52:05 -0600, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Doug Miller wrote:
>> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- not sure
>> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a replacement?
>>
>> TIA...
>
>If you have a decent air compressor in your shop, I'd seriously consider
>one of these babies:
>
>http://www.abrasivesupply.com/Dynabrade_Sanders_Dynabrade_Dynorbital_DA_Sanders_s/61.htm
>
What would be considered a "decent air compressor"?
Does Dynabrade use proprietary sanding disks?
On Nov 9, 9:30=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- not s=
ure
> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a replace=
ment?
>
> TIA...
My 2 cents is that I love my PC, I would repair mine. l'd not even
consider another brand.
Mark
Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 11, 2:35 am, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:30:12 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Pricey but probably your last. Festool Rotex. I have one and it runs
>>> circles around my agressive PC right angle ROS that I bought 20 years ago.
>> You forgot the hard part. That's when it ran rings around your credit
>> card several times while taking several bites out of it.
>
> The quantum leap in performance is reflected in the price. Not to
> mention durability.
> . .
> .
> I said....not to mention it!!!
There are at least 3 different categories of people on this group:
1. The hobbyist/amateur/ tinkerer. Probably wants to pay $75 or less
for a ROS.
2. The one-man shop pros. Probably looking to pay around $150 for a ROS.
3. Folk who work FT in construction/production work. They may be
willing to pay more in costs for a tool that will save in labor costs
over the long haul.
Each group has different needs in tools. The Festool makes perfect
sense for group #3, not so much for group #1.
Myself, I'm in group #1, but tend to pay for for tools than the average
hobbyist. I would pay up to $100 but no more for a decent ROS Nice as
a Festool might be, there's just no way I can justify the cost.
I find that Amazon is helpful in making tool decisions. Amazon ranks
products both by popularity and by customer review rating. You can
usually get some sense of what will work for you by reading what worked,
and didn't work, for others.
It doesn't always work, though. I recently bought a Milwaukee ROS based
on customer reviews. Maybe I just got a lemon, but it's been a POS. It
arrived defective, I had it repaired under warranty, it worked good for
for a few hours sanding, then started leaving swirl marks.
Now I'm back at Amazon, looking at Bosch ROS20VSK ($149 list, $90 on
Amazon) and Porter Cable Porter-Cable 343VSK ($142 list, $93 on Amazon).
Can anyone out there relate their experience with these ROS's?
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:38:49 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Doug Miller" wrote:
>
>> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- not
>> sure
>> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a
>> replacement?
>
> 6" dia is a must IMHO.
> 5" dia is just too small.
>
> It's been around for a while but Bosch 3727 works for me.
>
> Lew
I also like Bosch. Mine is, IIRC, a 3283. It doesn't get constant use,
but it's served well for many years.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
I agree this Bosch is about the best single hand sander you can get.
If you want to remove OMG amounts of material (requiring two hands)
get his big brother the 1250... 6.5 amps.
On Nov 9, 8:38=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Doug Miller" wrote:
> > My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- =A0
> > not sure
> > if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a
> > replacement?
>
> 6" dia is a must IMHO.
> 5" dia is just too small.
>
> It's been around for a while but Bosch 3727 works for me.
>
> Lew
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:36:05 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I said....not to mention it!!!
What? You suddenly appear at 3:00 in the morning? Only time I do that
is when I've fallen asleep drunk and then woken up in the middle of
the night, slightly more alert with a dry mouth and the need to pee.
On Nov 11, 11:24=A0am, Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>
> There are at least 3 different categories of people on this group:
You forgot group 4. The extreme tool fetish. Gotta have the best of
everything but really doesn't use them much.
Similar rules apply to fishermen, hunters, etc.
RonB
I have the new PC
http://www.deltaportercable.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17121
and it is a very nice sander.
Doug Miller wrote:
> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- not sure
> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a replacement?
>
> TIA...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:30:12 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Pricey but probably your last. Festool Rotex. I have one and it runs
>circles around my agressive PC right angle ROS that I bought 20 years ago.
You forgot the hard part. That's when it ran rings around your credit
card several times while taking several bites out of it.
Doug Miller wrote:
> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- not sure
> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a replacement?
>
> TIA...
If you have a decent air compressor in your shop, I'd seriously consider
one of these babies:
http://www.abrasivesupply.com/Dynabrade_Sanders_Dynabrade_Dynorbital_DA_Sanders_s/61.htm
I have three different good quality electric random orbital sanders, and
I haven't touched any of them since I got the Dynabrade. It's like the
difference between driving a BMW and Pontiac Aztec.
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In article <[email protected]>, novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com wrote:
>On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:38:49 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
><[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>>"Doug Miller" wrote:
>>
>>> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs --
>>> not sure
>>> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a
>>> replacement?
>>
>>6" dia is a must IMHO.
>>5" dia is just too small.
>>
>>It's been around for a while but Bosch 3727 works for me.
>
>Crikey, man! Learn to scrape and you won't need those costly sanding
>thingies, 'cept for the edges (where you could actually file.)
Not entirely true IMHO. I have a substantial array of scrapers which I use in
preference to the sander most of the time; however, the sander produces a
better finish on soft woods such as poplar or sycamore. It's served me well
for nearly ten years, but it's on its last legs. At least one bearing is going
out, and the hook-and-loop pad doesn't hold sanding discs too well any more.
I'm just trying to decide between repairing this one to try to keep it going
for a few more years, and just replacing it.
Doug Miller wrote:
...
> for nearly ten years, but it's on its last legs. At least one bearing is going
> out, and the hook-and-loop pad doesn't hold sanding discs too well any more.
> I'm just trying to decide between repairing this one to try to keep it going
> for a few more years, and just replacing it.
I've gone thru probably a dozen of these puppies during the barn
painting prep; rebuilt several, tossed several carcasses and made up
others from leftovers of two or three... :)
My experience has been w/ extremely heavy use they're repairable until
the cases start to wear so much the vibration of the dust housing
becomes so annoying as to make you pitch them.
Bearings should be available at any local distributorship for next to
nothing; to make the bottom one last w/ heavy use (as well as to keep
them from getting to hot to hold bare-handed) I take the "brake belt"
off (it's just an o-ring around a stud so it's pure friction) but then
you have to watch when lift them so if only use for fairly short times
can probably live with it.
The pads aren't too expensive, I've replaced them several times during
the lifetime of each sander altho I've gone almost exclusively to PSA
because the media are so much cheaper. Again, amount of usage would be
the factor there.
The one thing that is the "toss it" part is the armature--the
replacements are expensive enough I've stopped at that point and the
rest becomes spare parts for the others.
For the size, I still don't think there's another on the market that has
the overall as good feel/balance and value altho they've gone up quite a
bit it seems. It also seems that all new are 8-hole instead of 5? I
just ordered a set of replacement pads and the contour pads and that
seemed to be what I noticed. If so, I don't like that move much as I
hate having more than one style of consumable.
--
Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
: Doug Miller wrote:
:> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- not sure
:> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a replacement?
:>
:> TIA...
: If you have a decent air compressor in your shop, I'd seriously consider
: one of these babies:
: http://www.abrasivesupply.com/Dynabrade_Sanders_Dynabrade_Dynorbital_DA_Sanders_s/61.htm
Can you do dust collection with a pneumatic sander?
I think next time I need a sander I may pop for a Festool.
: I have three different good quality electric random orbital sanders, and
: I haven't touched any of them since I got the Dynabrade. It's like the
: difference between driving a BMW and Pontiac Aztec.
Yeah, but remember: the Aztec wasn't just a car, it was a tent! And a
really ugly car!
-- Andy Barss
tommyboy wrote:
...
> What would be considered a "decent air compressor"?
I've a 5hp 60 gal Sanborn compressor and the only air sander I've tried
wouldn't spin under load w/o a direct connection w/ 3/8" instead of 1/4"
hose. It was a cheaper unit; not sure what it was rated to require but
gave it up.
I see links there indicate 14 cfm w/ no pressure; the Dynabrade site
require Flash which I don't allow so couldn't see more direct info.
Anyway, it'll take a sizable air supply, for sure. You won't get it w/
a little oilless.
> Does Dynabrade use proprietary sanding disks?
I'd assume 5" and all are standard 5/8 hole altho didn't look for
confirmation which.
--
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "tommyboy" wrote:
>
>> What would be considered a "decent air compressor"?
>
> Something that produces at least 15 SCFM.
>
> Translation:
>
> 5 HP, 2 stage compressor with at least an 80 gallon receiver.
>
> These days, about $1,100.00.
>
> Lew
The Spirit models work fine on my 5HP Sanborn single stage (not sure how
many CFM it produces; stupid thing doesn't say on the spec label);
compressor only runs about 20% of the time. The Supreme models chew up
a lot more air. A compressor equivalent to mine runs about $600 at the
Borg. Could probably find one for a lot less on Craigslist...
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dpb wrote:
> tommyboy wrote:
> ...
>> What would be considered a "decent air compressor"?
>
> I've a 5hp 60 gal Sanborn compressor and the only air sander I've tried
> wouldn't spin under load w/o a direct connection w/ 3/8" instead of 1/4"
> hose. It was a cheaper unit; not sure what it was rated to require but
> gave it up.
>
> I see links there indicate 14 cfm w/ no pressure; the Dynabrade site
> require Flash which I don't allow so couldn't see more direct info.
> Anyway, it'll take a sizable air supply, for sure. You won't get it w/
> a little oilless.
You CAN run a Spirit sander on one of these jobbies:
http://www.toolbarn.com/portercable-c3151.html
IF you don't insist on running the sander balls-out non-stop. I have
one of those compressors, and I've used it quite successfully; in fact I
just test it. I ran the compressor until it stopped, up to 100 psi.
Plugged in the Dynabrade and ran it about 3/4 speed under load.
Compressor kicked in after 15 seconds, when pressure dropped to 80lbs,
and it held there as long as I ran the sander, and the sander never
slowed down. Stopped the sander, and the compressor took about 15
seconds to run back up to 100 PSI and stop. Turned the compressor motor
off and ran the sander under load at 3/4 speed. It went about 45
seconds before it started to slow down, at about 60 PSI, and about
another 45 seconds before it ran too slow to be usable. Let it run
without load until the tank was depleted, and the sander never really
stopped running until the air was gone. Stopped it manually several
times, and it started back up on its own as long as there was over about
10lbs in the tank. Pretty good if you ask me.
>> Does Dynabrade use proprietary sanding disks?
>
> I'd assume 5" and all are standard 5/8 hole altho didn't look for
> confirmation which.
Dynabrade sells different size sanders (3.5", 5", 6"...) and they use
standard PSA (stick-on) paper (I think you can get hook and loop
attachments for them). You can even use double-sided tape in a pinch to
make your own. :-)
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:38:49 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Doug Miller" wrote:
>
>> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs --
>> not sure
>> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a
>> replacement?
>
>6" dia is a must IMHO.
>5" dia is just too small.
>
>It's been around for a while but Bosch 3727 works for me.
Crikey, man! Learn to scrape and you won't need those costly sanding
thingies, 'cept for the edges (where you could actually file.)
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:55:38 -0500, Pat Barber <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I have the new PC
>
>http://www.deltaportercable.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17121
>
>and it is a very nice sander.
>
>Doug Miller wrote:
>> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- not sure
>> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a replacement?
>>
>> TIA...
I have a 333V sander from when PC was PC, not Black and Decker. I
don't mean any disrespect but I wouldn't walk across the street for
any free PC tool today. The same goes for B&D and Dewalt.
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:24:57 -0700, Just Wondering
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Myself, I'm in group #1, but tend to pay for for tools than the average
>hobbyist. I would pay up to $100 but no more for a decent ROS Nice as
>a Festool might be, there's just no way I can justify the cost.
I'm probably a group #2 person, mainly because I'm a sucker for
quality. However, more and more I've been pondering the Festool group
who reasonably often, expound the dust collection benefits of Festool.
Considering I do much of my woodworking in the middle of my
woodworking, really good dust collection sounds more attractive to me
all the time.
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On Nov 9, 9:30 pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> My venerable Porter-Cable 333VS ROS seems to be on its last legs -- not
> sure
> if I want to repair or replace it. Recommendations, anyone, for a
> replacement?
>
> TIA...
My 2 cents is that I love my PC, I would repair mine. l'd not even
consider another brand.
I was that way for 20 years with my 3 PC's, then I used a Festool, not the
PC seems like entry level stuff.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"tommyboy" wrote:
>
>> What would be considered a "decent air compressor"?
>
>Something that produces at least 15 SCFM.
>
>Translation:
>
>5 HP, 2 stage compressor with at least an 80 gallon receiver.
>
>These days, about $1,100.00.
>
>Lew
Is that assuming production work? Would a smaller compressor work
for intermittent/weekend warrior/hobbiest?