I was going to get a 1HP dust collector to use with the machines in my
garage/workshop. I was thinking I would replace my shop vac with the
DC so I won't take up too much space.
The person at the store said it is a bad idea to use my PC 5" random
orbit sander and a DC. Something about not enough air would get to the
DC and the air would cavitate making the suction poor. I really don't
want to take up space with a DC & a shop vac. I was going to add 3
feet of 2" hose to the 4 foot long 4" hose the DC came with.
Anyone have experience with using a 1HP DC and a 5" sander?
"Bob" wrote:
--------------------------------------
>>I was going to get a 1HP dust collector to use with the machines in
>>my
>> garage/workshop. I was thinking I would replace my shop vac with
>> the
>> DC so I won't take up too much space.
>>
>> The person at the store said it is a bad idea to use my PC 5"
>> random
>> orbit sander and a DC. Something about not enough air would get to
>> the
>> DC and the air would cavitate making the suction poor. I really
>> don't
>> want to take up space with a DC & a shop vac. I was going to add 3
>> feet of 2" hose to the 4 foot long 4" hose the DC came with.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with using a 1HP DC and a 5" sander?
-------------------------------------
"Leon" wrote:
> He may be on to something there, however I use my dust collector
> with my 12" disk sander and it works very well. However, the disk
> sander uses a 2"~2.5" x 3' hose which I attach to my 4" DC hose via
> a step up adapter.
>
> I also run the 4" DC hose directly to my router fence and use the
> same step up adapter.
>
> You certainly want a large hose to get close to the tool but a 4"
> hose real close to the tool would be a PIA.
>
> IMHO a 1 hp sized DC may only be marginally better than you shop
> vac. I would recomend larger, at least 1100 CFM.
>
> Additionally Fein And Festool make shop vaccums that work very well
> with the hand operated tools and are quiet. Oddly my Festool vac
> will go farther between bag changes than my old shop vac which had 3
> times the storage volume. I suspect that the design and suction is
> so much better that the Festool will pack the depris in the bag more
> effeciently. When the Festool vac finally begins to loose suction
> the 4~5 gal bag is "heavy".
-----------------------------------------
Easy way to find out.
Hook up the 5" ROS with 1" hose.
If vac motor labors like it's trying to pull against a dead head, add
a hole in the side of the hose to reduce the suction head but still
has enough suction to pick up sanding dust.
Easiest way would be to add a pvc pipe fitting to the hose and then
drill the hole in it.
Lew
"Leon" wrote
>
> Actually with a Festool shop vac there can be too much suction from a shop
> vac, it tends to cause the sander to stick to flat surfaces and too much
> suction makes sanding more difficult, so you turn down the vac motor
> speed. That probably creates the same effect as your suggestion above.
>
Festool has a variable speed control on its vacuum??
Does it have a built in beer cooler too? ;-)
On 1/20/2010 8:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Leon" wrote
>>
>> Actually with a Festool shop vac there can be too much suction from a shop
>> vac, it tends to cause the sander to stick to flat surfaces and too much
>> suction makes sanding more difficult, so you turn down the vac motor
>> speed. That probably creates the same effect as your suggestion above.
>>
> Festool has a variable speed control on its vacuum??
Mine (CT22E) has a "suction force" dial that is adjustable from 1200W to
350W . You usually run it around 160 cubic meters of air per hour from a
high of 228.
http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/reviews/festoolCT22E.htm
> Does it have a built in beer cooler too? ;-)
I'm sure there is a "systainer" that can be used to hold a suitable
cooler that will fit right on top of the dust extractor.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Jan 20, 9:28=A0am, Swingman <k...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 1/20/2010 8:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> > "Leon" =A0wrote
>
> >> Actually with a Festool shop vac there can be too much suction from a =
shop
> >> vac, it tends to cause the sander to stick to flat surfaces and too mu=
ch
> >> suction makes sanding more difficult, =A0so you turn down the vac moto=
r
> >> speed. That probably creates the same effect as your suggestion above.
>
> > Festool has a variable speed control on its vacuum??
>
> Mine (CT22E) has a "suction force" dial that is adjustable from 1200W to
> 350W . You usually run it around 160 cubic meters of air per hour from a
> high of 228.
>
> http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/reviews/festoolCT22E.htm
>
> > Does it have a built in beer cooler too? =A0;-)
>
> I'm sure there is a "systainer" that can be used to hold a suitable
> cooler that will fit right on top of the dust extractor.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Hmmmm; cooler sounds hard since it would have to be on the suction
side of the power unit, but you could possibly put a coffee warmer on
the output side ... the air is compressed there and should be capable
of shedding heat. This does, however, sound like a great way to add
some find grit to the morning cuppa Joe.
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:09:29 -0800 (PST), Bob <bmayzer@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I was going to get a 1HP dust collector to use with the machines in my
>garage/workshop. I was thinking I would replace my shop vac with the
>DC so I won't take up too much space.
>
>The person at the store said it is a bad idea to use my PC 5" random
>orbit sander and a DC. Something about not enough air would get to the
>DC and the air would cavitate making the suction poor. I really don't
>want to take up space with a DC & a shop vac. I was going to add 3
>feet of 2" hose to the 4 foot long 4" hose the DC came with.
>
>Anyone have experience with using a 1HP DC and a 5" sander?
These two will work good together. A shop vac does not move enough
air to be as effective as a DC, just the opposite as you stated.
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:56:45 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Leon" wrote
>>
>> Actually with a Festool shop vac there can be too much suction from a shop
>> vac, it tends to cause the sander to stick to flat surfaces and too much
>> suction makes sanding more difficult, so you turn down the vac motor
>> speed. That probably creates the same effect as your suggestion above.
>>
>Festool has a variable speed control on its vacuum??
>
>Does it have a built in beer cooler too? ;-)
>
A German beer cooler (about 59f).
Mark
"Lew Hodgett" <sails.man1@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:00060950$0$2159$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> "Bob" wrote:
> -------------------------------------
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> He may be on to something there, however I use my dust collector with my
>> 12" disk sander and it works very well. However, the disk sander uses a
>> 2"~2.5" x 3' hose which I attach to my 4" DC hose via a step up adapter.
>>
>> I also run the 4" DC hose directly to my router fence and use the same
>> step up adapter.
>>
>> You certainly want a large hose to get close to the tool but a 4" hose
>> real close to the tool would be a PIA.
>>
>> IMHO a 1 hp sized DC may only be marginally better than you shop vac. I
>> would recomend larger, at least 1100 CFM.
>>
>> Additionally Fein And Festool make shop vaccums that work very well with
>> the hand operated tools and are quiet. Oddly my Festool vac will go
>> farther between bag changes than my old shop vac which had 3 times the
>> storage volume. I suspect that the design and suction is so much better
>> that the Festool will pack the depris in the bag more effeciently. When
>> the Festool vac finally begins to loose suction the 4~5 gal bag is
>> "heavy".
> -----------------------------------------
>
> Easy way to find out.
>
> Hook up the 5" ROS with 1" hose.
Maybe not, my Festool shop vac with 11' hose is about 1" in diameter. If
that hose was attached to my DC it may not be as effective.
>
> If vac motor labors like it's trying to pull against a dead head, add a
> hole in the side of the hose to reduce the suction head but still has
> enough suction to pick up sanding dust.
>
> Easiest way would be to add a pvc pipe fitting to the hose and then drill
> the hole in it.
Actually with a Festool shop vac there can be too much suction from a shop
vac, it tends to cause the sander to stick to flat surfaces and too much
suction makes sanding more difficult, so you turn down the vac motor speed.
That probably creates the same effect as your suggestion above.
"hex" <featherlightshavings@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:63a5892b-9c20-40c2-a0f7-d7fbed012d44@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 20, 9:28 am, Swingman <k...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 1/20/2010 8:56 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> > "Leon" wrote
>
> >> Actually with a Festool shop vac there can be too much suction from a
> >> shop
> >> vac, it tends to cause the sander to stick to flat surfaces and too
> >> much
> >> suction makes sanding more difficult, so you turn down the vac motor
> >> speed. That probably creates the same effect as your suggestion above.
>
> > Festool has a variable speed control on its vacuum??
>
> Mine (CT22E) has a "suction force" dial that is adjustable from 1200W to
> 350W . You usually run it around 160 cubic meters of air per hour from a
> high of 228.
>
> http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/reviews/festoolCT22E.htm
>
> > Does it have a built in beer cooler too? ;-)
>
> I'm sure there is a "systainer" that can be used to hold a suitable
> cooler that will fit right on top of the dust extractor.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Hmmmm; cooler sounds hard since it would have to be on the suction
side of the power unit, but you could possibly put a coffee warmer on
the output side ... the air is compressed there and should be capable
of shedding heat. This does, however, sound like a great way to add
some find grit to the morning cuppa Joe.
Hey, get your fiber wherever you can...
On Jan 20, 8:26=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <sails.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Bob" wrote:
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> >>I was going to get a 1HP dust collector to use with the machines in
> >>my
> >> garage/workshop. I was thinking I would replace my shop vac with
> >> the
> >> DC so I won't take up too much space.
>
> >> The person at the store said it is a bad idea to use my PC 5"
> >> random
> >> orbit sander and a DC. Something about not enough air would get to
> >> the
> >> DC and the air would cavitate making the suction poor. I really
> >> don't
> >> want to take up space with a DC & a shop vac. I was going to add 3
> >> feet of 2" hose to the 4 foot long 4" hose the DC came with.
>
> >> Anyone have experience with using a 1HP DC and a 5" sander?
>
> -------------------------------------
>
>
>
> "Leon" wrote:
> > He may be on to something there, however I use my dust collector
> > with my 12" disk sander and it works very well. =A0However, the disk
> > sander uses a 2"~2.5" x 3' hose which I attach to my 4" DC hose via
> > a step up adapter.
>
> > I also run the 4" DC hose directly to my router fence and use the
> > same step up adapter.
>
> > You certainly want a large hose to get close to the tool but a 4"
> > hose real close to the tool would be a PIA.
>
> > IMHO a 1 hp sized DC may only be marginally better than you shop
> > vac. =A0I would recomend larger, at least 1100 CFM.
>
> > Additionally Fein And Festool make shop vaccums that work very well
> > with the hand operated tools and are quiet. =A0Oddly my Festool vac
> > will go farther between bag changes than my old shop vac which had 3
> > times the storage volume. =A0I suspect that the design and suction is
> > so much better that the Festool will pack the depris in the bag more
> > effeciently. =A0When the Festool vac finally begins to loose suction
> > the 4~5 gal bag is "heavy".
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> Easy way to find out.
>
> Hook up the 5" ROS with 1" hose.
>
> If =A0vac motor labors like it's trying to pull against a dead head, add
> a hole in the side of the hose to reduce the suction head but still
> has enough suction to pick up sanding dust.
>
> Easiest way would be to add a pvc pipe fitting to the hose and then
> drill the hole in it.
>
> Lew
If you have space, one option might be a simple sanding box/surface
that could connect to the DC. You can buy them but they are
exceedingly simple to make. A simple box-frame closed on the bottom
and with perforated hardboard (pegboard) on top. Put you DC port on
the side or bottom. It will pull nearly anything that comes from the
sander into the box and to the collector. You can size it to
convenience but about 2'x3' workrd well for me in a previous setup. I
have seen pictures of entire sections of bench top, near a miter
station, devoted to sanding and collection. If your perforated
surface gets too small, you might have to provide an adjustable port
to keep from straining the collector or leave the gate on another
device open a little. Imagination is the limit.
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:00d2e735$0$17034$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>
> "Leon" wrote
>>
>> Actually with a Festool shop vac there can be too much suction from a
>> shop vac, it tends to cause the sander to stick to flat surfaces and too
>> much suction makes sanding more difficult, so you turn down the vac
>> motor speed. That probably creates the same effect as your suggestion
>> above.
>>
> Festool has a variable speed control on its vacuum??
>
> Does it have a built in beer cooler too? ;-)
no, but mine has an optional gatage. '~)
"Leon" <lcb11211@swbell.dotnet> writes:
>
>"Bob" <bmayzer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:70324118-6b14-4bc1-9caf-43fb962e8817@a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>I was going to get a 1HP dust collector to use with the machines in my
>> garage/workshop. I was thinking I would replace my shop vac with the
>> DC so I won't take up too much space.
>>
>> The person at the store said it is a bad idea to use my PC 5" random
>> orbit sander and a DC. Something about not enough air would get to the
>> DC and the air would cavitate making the suction poor. I really don't
>> want to take up space with a DC & a shop vac. I was going to add 3
>> feet of 2" hose to the 4 foot long 4" hose the DC came with.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with using a 1HP DC and a 5" sander?
>
>He may be on to something there, however I use my dust collector with my 12"
>disk sander and it works very well. However, the disk sander uses a 2"~2.5"
>x 3' hose which I attach to my 4" DC hose via a step up adapter.
He's definitely on to something there. Rather than using the collection
shroud and hose on the ROS with the DC, I'd plumb the DC to a downdraft table and do
the ROS work there.
scott
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:09:29 -0800 (PST), the infamous Bob
<bmayzer@yahoo.com> scrawled the following:
>I was going to get a 1HP dust collector to use with the machines in my
>garage/workshop. I was thinking I would replace my shop vac with the
>DC so I won't take up too much space.
>
>The person at the store said it is a bad idea to use my PC 5" random
>orbit sander and a DC. Something about not enough air would get to the
>DC and the air would cavitate making the suction poor. I really don't
>want to take up space with a DC & a shop vac. I was going to add 3
>feet of 2" hose to the 4 foot long 4" hose the DC came with.
>
>Anyone have experience with using a 1HP DC and a 5" sander?
Simple fix for that is to add another door and leave the thing cracked
open a bit, reducing the suction without cavitation. It'll still clean
out that sander like a champ but it'll keep the DC from straining.
If you have ducting run to several machines, just crack one of those
open. No biggie.
--
The greatest fine art of the future will be the making
of a comfortable living from a small piece of land.
--Abraham Lincoln
"Bob" <bmayzer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I was going to get a 1HP dust collector to use with the machines in my
> garage/workshop. I was thinking I would replace my shop vac with the
> DC so I won't take up too much space.
>
> The person at the store said it is a bad idea to use my PC 5" random
> orbit sander and a DC. Something about not enough air would get to the
> DC and the air would cavitate making the suction poor. I really don't
> want to take up space with a DC & a shop vac. I was going to add 3
> feet of 2" hose to the 4 foot long 4" hose the DC came with.
>
> Anyone have experience with using a 1HP DC and a 5" sander?
I use the PC with a Grizzly DC using a 1" hose with no problems at all.
Vic
"Bob" <bmayzer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I was going to get a 1HP dust collector to use with the machines in my
> garage/workshop. I was thinking I would replace my shop vac with the
> DC so I won't take up too much space.
>
> The person at the store said it is a bad idea to use my PC 5" random
> orbit sander and a DC. Something about not enough air would get to the
> DC and the air would cavitate making the suction poor. I really don't
> want to take up space with a DC & a shop vac. I was going to add 3
> feet of 2" hose to the 4 foot long 4" hose the DC came with.
>
> Anyone have experience with using a 1HP DC and a 5" sander?
He may be on to something there, however I use my dust collector with my 12"
disk sander and it works very well. However, the disk sander uses a 2"~2.5"
x 3' hose which I attach to my 4" DC hose via a step up adapter.
I also run the 4" DC hose directly to my router fence and use the same step
up adapter.
You certainly want a large hose to get close to the tool but a 4" hose real
close to the tool would be a PIA.
IMHO a 1 hp sized DC may only be marginally better than you shop vac. I
would recomend larger, at least 1100 CFM.
Additionally Fein And Festool make shop vaccums that work very well with the
hand operated tools and are quiet. Oddly my Festool vac will go farther
between bag changes than my old shop vac which had 3 times the storage
volume. I suspect that the design and suction is so much better that the
Festool will pack the depris in the bag more effeciently. When the Festool
vac finally begins to loose suction the 4~5 gal bag is "heavy".