watched a good movie and the main character makes his own coffin as the
time nears
he was sick with something but i think the details were left out
they didn't really matter in the movie
so who is going to make their own and what will the wood choice(s) be
i think mighty oak is a good choice but redwood is lighter and might
look more dramatic
a pine box would suffice too
but now i wonder if i use some found wood would this be considered
upcycling
i guess it would be recycling as it will go back in the ground
On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 3:40:07 PM UTC-4, Casper wrote:
> IMO, I cannot see why anyone cannot build their own as long as they
> meet any restrictions that may apply in their state of burial.
>=20
> I found this article, a bit old, but informative...
> http://www.salon.com/2001/01/12/casket/
>=20
> I believe things should be done per the deceased's wishes only. I've
> seen too many families hurt by arguments over funeral, casket, etc.
>=20
> No one is going to make money off my dead carcass.
re: I believe things should be done per the deceased's wishes only. I've=20
seen too many families hurt by arguments over funeral, casket, etc.
You have to take that "too many" number and subtract the number of families=
in which the deceased wishes were not known. The family can't do things "p=
er the deceased's wishes" if those wishes were never expressed.=20
It's really up to the "deceased" to make their wishes known while they are =
still pre-deceased, and it's best that it is in writing. Heck, some famili=
es don't even know if the person wants to be kept alive, never mind the tri=
vial items such as what color the casket lining should be.
Morticians use excelsior (shredded wood) for padding/bedding in coffins. That would decay without problems, also. They probably use the undyed aspen.
I purchase the 25 lb box of aspen, for upholstery stuffings, when a customer wants that kind of original stuffing reinstalled. Would likely need 50 lbs for a coffin.
http://americanexcelsior.com/catalogs/?cat=3
Sonny
On 26/05/2015 5:01 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:57:54 -0600, graham wrote:
>
>> When I was making out my will, I told the lawyer: "A sack will do!" She
>> didn't think the authorities would allow that:-)
>
> I checked with the funeral home and they said that since the cemetery
> (just across the road) uses concrete vaults, they could carry me over in
> a cardboard box - I said that sounded good to me.
>
There have been scandalous occasions where undertakers have re-used
coffins after recovering them before shoving the corpse into the furnace.
So much of the funeral business is for show!
Graham
--
On 5/26/2015 4:57 PM, graham wrote:
> When I was making out my will, I told the lawyer: "A sack will do!" She
> didn't think the authorities would allow that:-)
> Graham
>
I hope you have that information some other place. Often a person is
buried before the will is opened. At least tell your spouse/kids
verbally as a start.
On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 10:12:34 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/21/2015 8:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 7:02:55 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm trying to talk my friends into doing this for/with me. Some get it, some don't...I guess I know who my closest friends are.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.twistednether.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/campfire1.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sorry - I don't get it - there's no caption to explain what's
> >> going on around the campfire ..
> >
> > What's going on around the campfire is a bunch of friends reminiscing about the friend who is the source of the flames.
> >
>
> Good way to go.
They might want to hold off on the s'mores though.
On 26/05/2015 8:19 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/26/2015 4:57 PM, graham wrote:
>
>> When I was making out my will, I told the lawyer: "A sack will do!" She
>> didn't think the authorities would allow that:-)
>> Graham
>>
>
> I hope you have that information some other place. Often a person is
> buried before the will is opened. At least tell your spouse/kids
> verbally as a start.
They are well aware!
Graham
--
On 5/20/2015 12:40 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> watched a good movie and the main character makes his own coffin as the
> time nears
> he was sick with something but i think the details were left out
> they didn't really matter in the movie
>
> so who is going to make their own and what will the wood choice(s) be
>
> i think mighty oak is a good choice but redwood is lighter and might
> look more dramatic
> a pine box would suffice too but now i wonder if i use some
> found wood would this be considered upcycling
>
> i guess it would be recycling as it will go back in the ground
>
I can't speak for everywhere, but in these parts a coffin is usually
placed in a concrete burial vault in the ground, protected from soil,
moisture, burrowing small critters, etc. Unless there's some law
against it, if someone makes their own coffin they could choose whatever
type of wood strikes their fancy.
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 10:12:34 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 5/21/2015 8:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> > On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 7:02:55 PM UTC-4,
>> > [email protected] wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm trying to talk my friends into doing this for/with me. Some
>> >>> get it, some don't...I guess I know who my closest friends are.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.twistednether.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/campfire1.
>> >>> jpg
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sorry - I don't get it - there's no caption to explain
>> >> what's
>> >> going on around the campfire ..
>> >
>> > What's going on around the campfire is a bunch of friends
>> > reminiscing about the friend who is the source of the flames.
>> >
>>
>> Good way to go.
>
> They might want to hold off on the s'mores though.
Everyone should be entitled to a last midnight snack. Someone is bound
to drop a marshmallow!
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote in news:G0y7x.18733
[email protected]:
> Here it is the law that whatever you end up in, that is put inside of
> a Concrete 'box' and a concrete lid is sealed on. This allows storms
> and cities and the highway department and Grandson to move them without
> issue of condition of wood/metal box. Just bring up the concrete and
> truck the whole cemetery to another or down the road a bit more.
>
> Kinda bad since many pick out high priced places with outlooks or
> trees... I suppose for their younger family tree members.
>
> Martin
>
I did hear a story about a person mowing a cemetary when suddenly the
ground gave way beneath him. He got out of there as fast as he could and
never returned. I guess the concrete 'box' vault will keep that from
happening.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:Ye6dnfHtRPc8tMPInZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
>
> You must be kidding. No Nike coffin? How about a nice Ralph Lauren
> with silk lining? The neighbors will think you are a cheap SOB!
>
> For me, a blue tarp and into the crematory will do. Not even a viewing.
> If you want to see me, come now so we can at least enjoy a drink
> together.
Is that an invitation? Well, anyway, I'll extend one of my own: Regular
wRECk contributers give me a shout if you're passing through Central
Illinois. We might get together and have a drink. My e-mail address is
valid (it only needs minor decoding).
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On 05/20/2015 12:01 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> John McCoy wrote:
>
>>
>> But I think when my time comes I'm just going to have them
>> throw me in the ocean, no coffin needed.
>>
>
> Wouldn't that be considered pollution?...
>
I signed up with an outfit call Medcure. They take your carcase and
learn whatever they can (in my case from the worn out parts). They
cremate what ever is left and either return to relatives or dump you in
the ocean - your choice. I always wanted to see the world! Best part,
it's free!
http://medcure.org/
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> re: I believe things should be done per the deceased's wishes only.
> I've seen too many families hurt by arguments over funeral, casket,
> etc.
>
> You have to take that "too many" number and subtract the number of
> families in which the deceased wishes were not known. The family can't
> do things "per the deceased's wishes" if those wishes were never
> expressed.
>
> It's really up to the "deceased" to make their wishes known while they
> are still pre-deceased, and it's best that it is in writing. Heck,
> some families don't even know if the person wants to be kept alive,
> never mind the trivial items such as what color the casket lining
> should be.
>
In dealing with the recent deaths of an uncle and grandfather (on
different sides of the family), one thing I've learned is that things in
writing have 1,000 or even 1,000,000 times the weight that something that
was said does.
If you'd like to be buried a certain way or certain place, write it down.
Your family will be busy dealing with the shock of the death and probably
isn't in the best frame of mind to make a long-term decision like that.
(Even a "You may decide otherwise, but I'd like to be burried in Crater
of the Moon, Oregon" may make things easier.) There are some who get
something out of visiting the graves of their loved ones.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
>You have to take that "too many" number and subtract the number of families in which the deceased wishes were not known. The family can't do things "per the deceased's wishes" if those wishes were never expressed.
I was speaking of where wishes were not complied with.
A friend was handling his mother's burial when his aunt came from
nowhere (hadn't heard from her in 30+ years) and took control of
everything. She used up all the monies, including 15k+ on the coffin.
My friend was so broke at the end, he was forced to sell his home.
>It's really up to the "deceased" to make their wishes known while they are still pre-deceased, and it's best that it is in writing. Heck, some families don't even know if the person wants to be kept alive, never mind the trivial items such as what color the casket lining should be.
That is the purpose of a Will/Living Will. Everyone should at least
have a written statment and include it in their personal paperwork.
I have that and more to secure the demise of my remains.
I am considering a tatoo as yet another copy of my wishes ;)
Here it is the law that whatever you end up in, that is put inside of
a Concrete 'box' and a concrete lid is sealed on. This allows storms
and cities and the highway department and Grandson to move them without
issue of condition of wood/metal box. Just bring up the concrete and
truck the whole cemetery to another or down the road a bit more.
Kinda bad since many pick out high priced places with outlooks or
trees... I suppose for their younger family tree members.
Martin
On 5/21/2015 2:03 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/21/2015 2:29 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>
>>
>> A pine box for me. What's the point of a really nice coffin?
>> I never understood that.
>>
>> So the living are not ashamed??? get real.
>>
>>
>
> You must be kidding. No Nike coffin? How about a nice Ralph Lauren
> with silk lining? The neighbors will think you are a cheap SOB!
>
> For me, a blue tarp and into the crematory will do. Not even a viewing.
> If you want to see me, come now so we can at least enjoy a drink
> together.
Sonny wrote:
> Morticians use excelsior (shredded wood) for padding/bedding in coffins. That would decay without problems, also. They probably use the undyed aspen.
>
> I purchase the 25 lb box of aspen, for upholstery stuffings, when a customer wants that kind of original stuffing reinstalled. Would likely need 50 lbs for a coffin.
>
> http://americanexcelsior.com/catalogs/?cat=3
>
> Sonny
>
I just cut up a large sweetgum log for bowl blanks. I cut it in 18"
lengths then slice off blanks lengthwise. Today I am hauling off 8
large trash bags of sweetgum excelsior. It really makes a lot when
you cut it lengthwise. Can't give it away around here.
--
GW Ross
If it's comprehensible, it's obsolete.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:mjikln$6rl$1
@dont-email.me:
> so who is going to make their own and what will the wood choice(s) be
Mahogany is traditional.
But I think when my time comes I'm just going to have them
throw me in the ocean, no coffin needed.
John
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:mjmg5c$dac$4
@dont-email.me:
> On Thu, 21 May 2015 23:12:14 -0500
> Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Here it is the law that whatever you end up in, that is put inside of
>> a Concrete 'box' and a concrete lid is sealed on. This allows storms
>
> thought they did that so they would not pop up when the water table
> gets high
You're thinking of Louisiana, I suspect, where they do have
problems with burials not staying buried.
> i will have some holes in mine so it doe not pop up
Don't think that will work...a wood coffin full of water
will still float.
John
On 5/21/2015 8:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 7:02:55 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm trying to talk my friends into doing this for/with me. Some get it, some don't...I guess I know who my closest friends are.
>>>
>>> http://www.twistednether.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/campfire1.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry - I don't get it - there's no caption to explain what's
>> going on around the campfire ..
>
> What's going on around the campfire is a bunch of friends reminiscing about the friend who is the source of the flames.
>
Good way to go.
On 5/21/2015 2:29 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>
> A pine box for me. What's the point of a really nice coffin?
> I never understood that.
>
> So the living are not ashamed??? get real.
>
>
You must be kidding. No Nike coffin? How about a nice Ralph Lauren
with silk lining? The neighbors will think you are a cheap SOB!
For me, a blue tarp and into the crematory will do. Not even a viewing.
If you want to see me, come now so we can at least enjoy a drink
together.
>
>I'm trying to talk my friends into doing this for/with me. Some get it, some don't...I guess I know who my closest friends are.
>
>http://www.twistednether.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/campfire1.jpg
Sorry - I don't get it - there's no caption to explain what's
going on around the campfire ..
John T.
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On Thu, 21 May 2015 13:35:04 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
>Just Wondering <[email protected]> writes:
>>On 5/20/2015 12:40 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>> watched a good movie and the main character makes his own coffin as the
>>> time nears
>>> he was sick with something but i think the details were left out
>>> they didn't really matter in the movie
>>>
>>> so who is going to make their own and what will the wood choice(s) be
>>>
>>> i think mighty oak is a good choice but redwood is lighter and might
>>> look more dramatic
>>> a pine box would suffice too but now i wonder if i use some
>> > found wood would this be considered upcycling
>>>
>>> i guess it would be recycling as it will go back in the ground
>>>
>>I can't speak for everywhere, but in these parts a coffin is usually
>>placed in a concrete burial vault in the ground, protected from soil,
>>moisture, burrowing small critters, etc. Unless there's some law
>>against it, if someone makes their own coffin they could choose whatever
>>type of wood strikes their fancy.
>
>Make sure that
> 1) It isn't too heavy for the mourners to carry or lower
> 2) The handles stay attached when it is loaded and carried.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=41993&cat=3,43659
http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=41996&cat=3,43659
.... couldn't resist :-)
John T.
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On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-5, John McCoy wrote:
> >> Here it is the law that whatever you end up in, that is put inside of
> >> a Concrete 'box' and a concrete lid is sealed on. =20
>=20
> You're thinking of Louisiana, I suspect, where they do have
> problems with burials not staying buried.
>=20
Even with concrete boxes, there have been coffins that float, pushing the c=
oncrete lid off the box, then the coffin floats away.
Here in Louisiana, we're not allowed to make our own coffins.... takes away=
from the economy of certified coffin makers. Only a specific group of mo=
nks, in New Orleans, can still make their own coffins, and they had to go t=
o court (fight the morticians' lobby) to retain that right.
Sonny
On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 7:02:55 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >I'm trying to talk my friends into doing this for/with me. Some get it, some don't...I guess I know who my closest friends are.
> >
> >http://www.twistednether.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/campfire1.jpg
>
>
>
> Sorry - I don't get it - there's no caption to explain what's
> going on around the campfire ..
What's going on around the campfire is a bunch of friends reminiscing about the friend who is the source of the flames.
Just Wondering <[email protected]> writes:
>On 5/20/2015 12:40 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>> watched a good movie and the main character makes his own coffin as the
>> time nears
>> he was sick with something but i think the details were left out
>> they didn't really matter in the movie
>>
>> so who is going to make their own and what will the wood choice(s) be
>>
>> i think mighty oak is a good choice but redwood is lighter and might
>> look more dramatic
>> a pine box would suffice too but now i wonder if i use some
> > found wood would this be considered upcycling
>>
>> i guess it would be recycling as it will go back in the ground
>>
>I can't speak for everywhere, but in these parts a coffin is usually
>placed in a concrete burial vault in the ground, protected from soil,
>moisture, burrowing small critters, etc. Unless there's some law
>against it, if someone makes their own coffin they could choose whatever
>type of wood strikes their fancy.
Make sure that
1) It isn't too heavy for the mourners to carry or lower
2) The handles stay attached when it is loaded and carried.
IMO, I cannot see why anyone cannot build their own as long as they
meet any restrictions that may apply in their state of burial.
I found this article, a bit old, but informative...
http://www.salon.com/2001/01/12/casket/
I believe things should be done per the deceased's wishes only. I've
seen too many families hurt by arguments over funeral, casket, etc.
No one is going to make money off my dead carcass.
On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 2:45:18 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> watched a good movie and the main character makes his own coffin as the
> time nears
> he was sick with something but i think the details were left out
> they didn't really matter in the movie
>
>
> so who is going to make their own and what will the wood choice(s) be
>
>
> i think mighty oak is a good choice but redwood is lighter and might
> look more dramatic
>
> a pine box would suffice too
>
> but now i wonder if i use some found wood would this be considered
> upcycling
>
> i guess it would be recycling as it will go back in the ground
I'm trying to talk my friends into doing this for/with me. Some get it, some don't...I guess I know who my closest friends are.
http://www.twistednether.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/campfire1.jpg
On 26/05/2015 2:24 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 3:40:07 PM UTC-4, Casper wrote:
>> IMO, I cannot see why anyone cannot build their own as long as they
>> meet any restrictions that may apply in their state of burial.
>>
>> I found this article, a bit old, but informative...
>> http://www.salon.com/2001/01/12/casket/
>>
>> I believe things should be done per the deceased's wishes only. I've
>> seen too many families hurt by arguments over funeral, casket, etc.
>>
>> No one is going to make money off my dead carcass.
>
> re: I believe things should be done per the deceased's wishes only. I've
> seen too many families hurt by arguments over funeral, casket, etc.
>
> You have to take that "too many" number and subtract the number of families in which the deceased wishes were not known. The family can't do things "per the deceased's wishes" if those wishes were never expressed.
>
> It's really up to the "deceased" to make their wishes known while they are still pre-deceased, and it's best that it is in writing. Heck, some families don't even know if the person wants to be kept alive, never mind the trivial items such as what color the casket lining should be.
>
When I was making out my will, I told the lawyer: "A sack will do!" She
didn't think the authorities would allow that:-)
Graham
--
John McCoy wrote:
>
> But I think when my time comes I'm just going to have them
> throw me in the ocean, no coffin needed.
>
Wouldn't that be considered pollution?...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
hubops wrote:
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=41993&cat=3,43659
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=41996&cat=3,43659
>
> .... couldn't resist :-)
>
> John T.
Oh, you fancy-pants sort of guys! I'd be thinking more along the lines of
this... (with through bolts though, instead of wood screws)
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded-3-1-2-in-Zinc-Plated-Storage-Chest-Handle-15135/202034098
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Casper wrote:
>>> But I think when my time comes I'm just going to have them
>>> throw me in the ocean, no coffin needed.
>>> John McCoy
>
>> Wouldn't that be considered pollution?...
>> Mike Marlow
>
> There are restrictions on location and the body must not float. Navy
> still does it according to those rules. Ashes not restricted.
We got guys in Utica, NY who are expert in keeping dead bodies from
floating...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Thu, 21 May 2015 14:29:27 -0400
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> A pine box for me. What's the point of a really nice coffin?
> I never understood that.
watch that movie i mentioned then it might be clearer
in other words it is a racket
> So the living are not ashamed??? get real.
i never heard that explanation
On Thu, 21 May 2015 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT)
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm trying to talk my friends into doing this for/with me. Some get
> it, some don't...I guess I know who my closest friends are.
there is also the sky burial
On Thu, 21 May 2015 23:12:14 -0500
Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote:
> Here it is the law that whatever you end up in, that is put inside of
> a Concrete 'box' and a concrete lid is sealed on. This allows storms
thought they did that so they would not pop up when the water table
gets high
i will have some holes in mine so it doe not pop up
On Wed, 20 May 2015 17:03:49 -0700 (PDT)
Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> Morticians use excelsior (shredded wood) for padding/bedding in
> coffins. That would decay without problems, also. They probably
> use the undyed aspen.
i think my pillow will be ok as is for padding
On Wed, 20 May 2015 18:59:20 +0000 (UTC)
John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mahogany is traditional.
i think he used that in the movie
> But I think when my time comes I'm just going to have them
> throw me in the ocean, no coffin needed.
that works too
weighted down with all those pennies
i have seen floating and burning funeral pyres
that could draw undue attention though and then you are back to wood
selection for the float and the burn
bamboo for the floats and fir or spruce for the burn
On Fri, 22 May 2015 18:18:57 +0000 (UTC)
John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Don't think that will work...a wood coffin full of water
> will still float.
less bouyant and less likely to pop up
but these are the right things to discuss
so ironwood with holes might be called for
On 22 May 2015 08:03:12 GMT
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> I did hear a story about a person mowing a cemetary when suddenly the
> ground gave way beneath him. He got out of there as fast as he could
> and never returned. I guess the concrete 'box' vault will keep that
> from happening.
that means there is a space available
no problem there
On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:57:54 -0600, graham wrote:
> When I was making out my will, I told the lawyer: "A sack will do!" She
> didn't think the authorities would allow that:-)
I checked with the funeral home and they said that since the cemetery
(just across the road) uses concrete vaults, they could carry me over in
a cardboard box - I said that sounded good to me.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> was heard to mutter:
>Casper wrote:
>>>> But I think when my time comes I'm just going to have them
>>>> throw me in the ocean, no coffin needed.
>>>> John McCoy
>>
>>> Wouldn't that be considered pollution?...
>>> Mike Marlow
>>
>> There are restrictions on location and the body must not float. Navy
>> still does it according to those rules. Ashes not restricted.
>
>We got guys in Utica, NY who are expert in keeping dead bodies from
>floating...
<thumbs up>
Yup, yup. I know of plenty from MA down to DC that can do that too.
On 5/20/2015 2:40 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> watched a good movie and the main character makes his own coffin as the
> time nears
> he was sick with something but i think the details were left out
> they didn't really matter in the movie
>
>
> so who is going to make their own and what will the wood choice(s) be
>
>
> i think mighty oak is a good choice but redwood is lighter and might
> look more dramatic
>
> a pine box would suffice too
>
> but now i wonder if i use some found wood would this be considered
> upcycling
>
> i guess it would be recycling as it will go back in the ground
>
A pine box for me. What's the point of a really nice coffin?
I never understood that.
So the living are not ashamed??? get real.
--
Jeff
On 20/05/2015 12:59 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:mjikln$6rl$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
>> so who is going to make their own and what will the wood choice(s) be
>
> Mahogany is traditional.
>
Elm was often used in the UK.
Graham