RE: O/T: Senior Citizen

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm wondering, then, just how serious is my condition because
>>>> this prescription is marked 'NO REFILLS'.'
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> No friggin kidding. Thank you Obama.
>> For the rest of my life I have to see a retina specialists every 6
>> months. I have to get a frigging referral every 6 months from my
>> primary physician every time. And then the insurance company takes
>> 3~10 days to pass that referral on to the specialist.
>>
>> I have given up on mail order prescriptions. They at one time
>> worked flawlessly, but now when they screw up it never gets fixed.
> --------------------------------------------------
> Your problem is with your insurance carrier not Obama.

Actually there was no problem prior to the Obamination of our health care.
All of the medical industry has gotten pretty squirely under this new
plan.


>
> It is a total PITA, but that's what happens when politicians
> and bean counters get involved.
>
> Additionally, if you need a narcotic prescription,
> Congress has made getting it a total PITA.
>
> No more electronic ordering by the doctor on the drug store.
>
> You have to physically go to the doctor's office, pick up a paper copy
> of the prescription(s), sign the log you have picked it up, then
> take the paper prescription(s) to the drug store to be filled.
>
> The person whose name appears on the prescription(s) has to do this,
> not a relative or friend.
>
> Forget mail order for a narcotic drug.
>
> As it was explained to me, this procedure is supposed to cut
> down on illegal drug trafficking.
>
> Typical Congressional screw up IMHO.
>
> Lew

On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 6:30:40 AM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/19/2015 7:12 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> > I'm wondering, then, just how serious is my condition because
> > this prescription is marked 'NO REFILLS'.'
>
> More than a joke, but reality.
>
> Continually have to stay ahead of the curve by making sure the necessary
> VA PCP appointment necessary to renew a needed prescription is planned
> well in advance of "Refill 4 of 4".
>
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Swingman,

Have you tried
https://www.myhealth.va.gov/mhv-portal-web/anonymous.portal?_nfpb=true&_nfto=false&_pageLabel=mhvHome

Watch the wrap. It makes refilling an Rx a bit easier. You can have an "on-line" relationship with an NP and, sometimes (at least in my case) they will issue you a new Rx when the old one runs out.

Things are getting marginally better.

Bill Leonhardt

Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>
>>> I'm wondering, then, just how serious is my condition because
>>> this prescription is marked 'NO REFILLS'.'
----------------------------------------------------
"Leon" wrote:

> No friggin kidding. Thank you Obama.
> For the rest of my life I have to see a retina specialists every 6
> months. I have to get a frigging referral every 6 months from my
> primary physician every time. And then the insurance company takes
> 3~10 days to pass that referral on to the specialist.
>
> I have given up on mail order prescriptions. They at one time
> worked flawlessly, but now when they screw up it never gets fixed.
--------------------------------------------------
Your problem is with your insurance carrier not Obama.

It is a total PITA, but that's what happens when politicians
and bean counters get involved.

Additionally, if you need a narcotic prescription,
Congress has made getting it a total PITA.

No more electronic ordering by the doctor on the drug store.

You have to physically go to the doctor's office, pick up a paper copy
of the prescription(s), sign the log you have picked it up, then
take the paper prescription(s) to the drug store to be filled.

The person whose name appears on the prescription(s) has to do this,
not a relative or friend.

Forget mail order for a narcotic drug.

As it was explained to me, this procedure is supposed to cut
down on illegal drug trafficking.

Typical Congressional screw up IMHO.

Lew

One of my good friends and client does hospital oversight and training of D=
r.s for the U.S. govt. He goes all over the world to train and inspect, as=
well as training others from different USA friendly nations on certain asp=
ects of medicine. He assures me that most Dr.s can type, but they have cer=
tain govt. approved forms that need to be filled out in a short time frame =
after each visit to keep up with the portion of a bill passed under Obama t=
o require that all medical records be kept electronically. It is a law tha=
t the paperwork be completed, electronically filed, in a certain format (th=
ere are several acceptable ones out there) and accessible by a certain time=
after the patient/doctor interaction. Sadly for some, there is no underly=
ing conspiracy to steal data, put information on YouTube, pry into boring l=
ives, or to provide personal information to renegade political groups.

According to my pal, younger doctors and more organized large practices hat=
ed the idea, but now like having all the information to on hand in one form=
at as well as the opportunity (which was the intent) to be able to share pe=
rtinent information immediately with other doctors as needed. When my Dad =
was busy dying, this would have been quite handy as a formal request for hi=
s written information then the pickup of said information by a family membe=
r took some days. He was prescribed medicines he was allergic to, treated =
for the same symptoms the same way by different doctors, which doubled his =
dosages of a couple of scripts, which put him in the hospital from the reac=
tion. All because the Drs. were scared of legal action if all steps weren'=
t followed to conform exactly to the HPAA. Transfer of records required si=
gnatures, in some cases personal pick up of information, all which added un=
necessary time to treatment, hassle for me to take off work and personally =
go pick up paperwork then deliver it, and physical harm to him. Then, inst=
ead of clearly typed information, doctors had to deal with one another's pi=
ss poor penmanship which caused as many questions as the diagnosis on occas=
ion.

Robert

In the military, he has been long acquainted with Luddites like my favorite=
ENT, who doesn't understand or trust computers. At 77, he feels he is too=
old to learn, and as a doctor with his own practice for almost 50 years, h=
e feels the new electronic records (as well as the required conversion of h=
is old records) are too much for him. He also told me about the estimated =
cost of converting his old files, converting his new ones, and then trainin=
g his staff to use a new electronic medical records system. It was astonis=
hing. He sold his practice to a younger group of doctors and only sees pat=
ients now.

To me, electronic medical record keeping only makes sense. Like any other =
mountain of paperwork, digital storage and preservation will inevitably hap=
pen. However, if they are lazy, stupid, careless, and negligent in the secu=
rity of those records like Citibank, Home Depot, Target, etc., we are all i=
n for a good screwing sooner or later.

I pick up my Mom's many prescriptions at Walgreens, regardless of what they=
are, including narcotics. Maybe it is a state by state decision on who ca=
n do what. I went to the Walgreen's by her, registered with the pharmacist=
, and while I have to go inside in person, I can pick up anything prescribe=
d.

On 5/20/2015 7:28 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

>
> Additionally, if you need a narcotic prescription,
> Congress has made getting it a total PITA.
>
> No more electronic ordering by the doctor on the drug store.
>
> You have to physically go to the doctor's office, pick up a paper copy
> of the prescription(s), sign the log you have picked it up, then
> take the paper prescription(s) to the drug store to be filled.
>
> The person whose name appears on the prescription(s) has to do this,
> not a relative or friend.

Not completely true, but close. I've taken prescriptions for others (the
paper copy) to the pharmacy and picked up the drugs too. I did have to
give an ID

Maybe I just have a sweet Angelic look about me that they trusted me.

In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
@swbelldotnet says...
>
> On 5/21/2015 10:26 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 5/20/2015 7:28 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Additionally, if you need a narcotic prescription,
> >> Congress has made getting it a total PITA.
> >>
> >> No more electronic ordering by the doctor on the drug store.
> >>
> >> You have to physically go to the doctor's office, pick up a paper copy
> >> of the prescription(s), sign the log you have picked it up, then
> >> take the paper prescription(s) to the drug store to be filled.
> >>
> >> The person whose name appears on the prescription(s) has to do this,
> >> not a relative or friend.
> >
> > Not completely true, but close. I've taken prescriptions for others (the
> > paper copy) to the pharmacy and picked up the drugs too. I did have to
> > give an ID
> >
> > Maybe I just have a sweet Angelic look about me that they trusted me.
> >
> Yeah, I picked up prescriptions for my wife, son, dad, all the time.
> The any number of pharmacies only asks for the DOB of the person that is
> getting the prescription.

And how many of those prescriptions were for Schedule II Controlled
Substances?

On 5/19/2015 7:12 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

> I'm wondering, then, just how serious is my condition because
> this prescription is marked 'NO REFILLS'.'

More than a joke, but reality.

Continually have to stay ahead of the curve by making sure the necessary
VA PCP appointment necessary to renew a needed prescription is planned
well in advance of "Refill 4 of 4".

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On 5/21/2015 10:26 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/20/2015 7:28 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>>
>> Additionally, if you need a narcotic prescription,
>> Congress has made getting it a total PITA.
>>
>> No more electronic ordering by the doctor on the drug store.
>>
>> You have to physically go to the doctor's office, pick up a paper copy
>> of the prescription(s), sign the log you have picked it up, then
>> take the paper prescription(s) to the drug store to be filled.
>>
>> The person whose name appears on the prescription(s) has to do this,
>> not a relative or friend.
>
> Not completely true, but close. I've taken prescriptions for others (the
> paper copy) to the pharmacy and picked up the drugs too. I did have to
> give an ID
>
> Maybe I just have a sweet Angelic look about me that they trusted me.
>
Yeah, I picked up prescriptions for my wife, son, dad, all the time.
The any number of pharmacies only asks for the DOB of the person that is
getting the prescription.

On 5/20/2015 5:30 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/19/2015 7:12 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering, then, just how serious is my condition because
>> this prescription is marked 'NO REFILLS'.'
>
> More than a joke, but reality.
>
> Continually have to stay ahead of the curve by making sure the necessary
> VA PCP appointment necessary to renew a needed prescription is planned
> well in advance of "Refill 4 of 4".
>


No friggin kidding. Thank you Obama.
For the rest of my life I have to see a retina specialists every 6
months. I have to get a frigging referral every 6 months from my
primary physician every time. And then the insurance company takes 3~10
days to pass that referral on to the specialist.

I have given up on mail order prescriptions. They at one time worked
flawlessly, but now when they screw up it never gets fixed.

I've been taking a certain medication for years. Refills were routinely pr=
escribed by my doc, filled by the pharmacy and paid by insurance (less co-p=
ay). This year, the insurer demanded "prior authorization" which means the=
doc has to demonstrate the medical necessity for the drug in order to meet=
the insurer's guidelines. I started this process in January and still don=
't have the drug.

Larry

On Wed, 20 May 2015 16:28:43 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"

<snip>

>Additionally, if you need a narcotic prescription,
>Congress has made getting it a total PITA.
>
>No more electronic ordering by the doctor on the drug store.
>
>You have to physically go to the doctor's office, pick up a paper copy
>of the prescription(s), sign the log you have picked it up, then
>take the paper prescription(s) to the drug store to be filled.
>

They just recently changed the NY State law to again allow a doctor to
fax a script for a controlled medication to a drug store. I guess the
law makers finally realized what a pain in the butt the old law was.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

Leon wrote:


>
> Actually there was no problem prior to the Obamination of our health care.
> All of the medical industry has gotten pretty squirely under this new
> plan.
>

I hate to see my physician try to search my history on his laptop and
type in new notes.

One of my doctors has a girl to do this. She is on her computer
giving him answers and
typing in new stuff--much faster but more expensive. And less
confidential. Don't tell your doctor anything you wouldn't want the
world to know, because scores of people can now access your record.
Also they take your picture for the file and have to see a picture
I.D. every time I go in. Next they will be fingerprinting you and
sending a copy to the F.B.I.


--
GW Ross

If it's comprehensible, it's obsolete.

On 5/22/2015 2:27 PM, Bill Leonhardt wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 6:30:40 AM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
>> On 5/19/2015 7:12 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>
>>> I'm wondering, then, just how serious is my condition because
>>> this prescription is marked 'NO REFILLS'.'
>>
>> More than a joke, but reality.
>>
>> Continually have to stay ahead of the curve by making sure the necessary
>> VA PCP appointment necessary to renew a needed prescription is planned
>> well in advance of "Refill 4 of 4".

>
> Have you tried
> https://www.myhealth.va.gov/mhv-portal-web/anonymous.portal?_nfpb=true&_nfto=false&_pageLabel=mhvHome
>
> Watch the wrap. It makes refilling an Rx a bit easier. You can have an "on-line" relationship with an NP and, sometimes (at least in my case) they will issue you a new Rx when the old one runs out.
>
> Things are getting marginally better.

Yes, was one of the first to sign up and do in-person authentication
when the fired it up.

Do like the "secure messaging" aspect and have gotten pretty good
service by using it.

The prescription refills are sooooo much easier, mainly due to
information available, than the old phone system.

Also get good mileage out of the Blue Button with regard to access to
test results, etc.

Now, if USPS would just deliver the refills properly ...

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Lew Hodgett wrote:

>
> Additionally, if you need a narcotic prescription,
> Congress has made getting it a total PITA.
>
> No more electronic ordering by the doctor on the drug store.
>
> You have to physically go to the doctor's office, pick up a paper copy
> of the prescription(s), sign the log you have picked it up, then
> take the paper prescription(s) to the drug store to be filled.
>
> The person whose name appears on the prescription(s) has to do this,
> not a relative or friend.
>

Just had two different prescriptions for narcotics filled, written by two
different doctors. Did not have to go through any of this for either one.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 05/22/2015 04:43 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/22/2015 2:27 PM, Bill Leonhardt wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 6:30:40 AM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:

>>
>> Have you tried
>> https://www.myhealth.va.gov/mhv-portal-web/anonymous.portal?_nfpb=true&_nfto=false&_pageLabel=mhvHome
>>

One of the many reasons I object to government involvement in things like
healthcare and other such personal matters is that they cannot seem to get
security right.

Go here, and type in www.myhealth.va.gov ...

https://dev.ssllabs.com/ssltest/

It takes a few minutes. When complete, click on either of the addresses
to see the detail. The results are unimpressive - the government is well behind
the security curve, but hey, it's just your personal information.


These tests have to do with the robustness of the encrypted connection between
your personal computer and the website. The exposure here is someone being able
to snoop into your connection and harvest personal info. How much exposure?
I don't know, but there are fairly basic things that can be done to improve
security considerably. But the same government that demands infinite access
to the most personal details of your life cannot be bothered to engage in
best practices for information security.

On 5/21/2015 6:43 AM, G. Ross wrote:

> I hate to see my physician try to search my history on his laptop and
> type in new notes.
>
> One of my doctors has a girl to do this. She is on her computer
> giving him answers and
> typing in new stuff--much faster but more expensive. And less
> confidential. Don't tell your doctor anything you wouldn't want the
> world to know, because scores of people can now access your record.
> Also they take your picture for the file and have to see a picture I.D.
> every time I go in. Next they will be fingerprinting you and sending a
> copy to the F.B.I.
>
>

Maybe your doctor needs better software.

We use a large medical group with many facilities and encompasses every
specialty you can imagine. Before electronic records, my wife's file
was in two large folders, each over 4" thick. Those folders wold be
sent to whatever doctor she had to see and she was seeing a few
different ones in a week.

Now, everything is done whit a couple of clicks. Want to compare last
years X-ray or scan with the one you took an hour ago? Click, click,
done they are both on the screen.

Not sure how much of this waa due to new regulations or how much was
just plain being smart, but it is major steps ahead. None of the
doctors seem to have any problem typing in their own notes either.
There were mandatory classes for them when this started a few years back.