Check out this guy's homemade table saw!

-MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
>>> the whole think slips off the saw horses.
>>
>> He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as parallel
>> as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you do. Friction
>> with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
>> back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
>> horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
>> weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
>> that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident that
>> the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise prevented
>> from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
>
> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight," I'm
> lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would push
> my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
> say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in the
> direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes to
> move my Delta.

Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed my
Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force wood that
should not require that much force through my saw,

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Mar 23, 2:02=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/23/11 1:23 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>
> > In article<[email protected]>, m...@mikedrumsDOT.=
com wrote:
> >> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkWgzAk0kuQ
>
> > With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that th=
ere's
> > any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with an=
y other
> > table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who would engage i=
n this
> > sort of redneck rigging is less likely to observe proper safety precaut=
ions
> > than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right equipment=
.
>
> As far as I can tell, the thing is just sitting on those two "table
> horses or whatever they're called" and not attached in any way.

The 'table horses' have 2x4s attached to their tops, and the table saw
rig is screwed down to those.

That's a pretty typical job site jury-rig when there's no table saw on
site and only a few pieces have to be cut. In many ways it's a lot
safer than when framer's disable the blade guard on a circular saw and
are leaning over with a wide-legged stance. You're always balancing
time and efficiency versus risk, and you'll know pretty clearly when
you've underestimated the risk.

R

"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>
>
I love the on - off switch! Definitely low tech.

> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
--------------------------------
Straight out of the pages of Fred Bingham's book, Practical Yacht
Joinery

Lew

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> So if it vibrates or bounces around too much, it automatically implements
> one
> of the safety features of the SawStop: the blade drops out of the way....

right on to his foot.

"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>
>
> --
>
> -MIKE-

>

LOL.
I used a similar set-up for my first two years woodworking.
My saw didn't have the potential for dust collection though. ;-)
But it did have an inline switch.

Max

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:5e33bdb4-bdc6-4296-8496-178c5eea4619@f18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 23, 5:00 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight,"
>> I'm lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would
>> push my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
>
> *whispers* psssst..., Mike... you're supposed to plug it in and let
> the saw do all the work....
> .
> .
> .
> g,d&r

I tried that... I left a pile of wood near the saw and plugged it in.
Even turned it on...

Apparently it didn't work, or the saw decided the wood was already cut
to the exact dimensions I needed anyway. (Don't you hate it when your
project and the saw's project don't match up?)

Puckdropper

On 3/24/2011 12:38 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/24/11 7:03 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
>>>>>>> the whole think slips off the saw horses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as
>>>>>> parallel as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>> Friction with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
>>>>>> back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
>>>>>> horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
>>>>>> weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
>>>>>> that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident
>>>>>> that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
>>>>>> prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight,"
>>>>> I'm lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would
>>>>> push my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
>>>>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
>>>>> say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in
>>>>> the direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes
>>>>> to move my Delta.
>>>>
>>>> Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed
>>>> my Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force
>>>> wood that should not require that much force through my saw,
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, whatever.
>>> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video
>>> is perfectly safe.
>>
>> Nah - not that I think it's pretty safe. Not even something I would
>> consider to be a regular part of my wood working practices. I just don't
>> think it's a dangerous as has been suggested here.
>>
>
> Nobody ever thinks anything is as dangerous. Apparently there are guys
> in here who think their saw's splitter is too inconvenient to bother
> with. And that's on a proper table saw. It's all hyperbole until you're
> in the ER getting stitched up.
>
> When I see stuff like that in person, my motto is, have the argument now
> before there is any bloodshed. Last time, I didn't.
> I was helping my producer friend build a studio in his house. His bass
> player was there doing most of the work and design. He had a little
> table top job-site table saw sitting on the driveway, with the guard and
> splitter removed. I didn't know the guy very well so I didn't say
> anything. After the guy left, I told my producer friend, "He should
> really be more careful as a carpenter if he wants to keep playing bass."
>
> Not two months later, he called me and told my the guy had to go to the
> hospital to get his hand stitched up and had months of physical therapy
> to look forward to.
>
>

I had a similar occurrence on a jobsite. A guy had a saw with guards,
riving knives, splitters, etc. I mentioned to the superintendant that
if I had to have all that stuff on my saw, I wouldn't be able to see
what the hell I was doing. A week later, the guy cut his hand open on
his "protected" table saw. Out for 2 months.

Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.

--
Robert Allison
New Braunfels, TX

On 3/24/2011 2:38 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/24/11 2:26 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
>> On 3/24/2011 12:38 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 3/24/11 7:03 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
>>>>>>>>> the whole think slips off the saw horses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as
>>>>>>>> parallel as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>> Friction with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
>>>>>>>> back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
>>>>>>>> horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
>>>>>>>> weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
>>>>>>>> that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident
>>>>>>>> that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
>>>>>>>> prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight,"
>>>>>>> I'm lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would
>>>>>>> push my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
>>>>>>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
>>>>>>> say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in
>>>>>>> the direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes
>>>>>>> to move my Delta.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed
>>>>>> my Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force
>>>>>> wood that should not require that much force through my saw,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, whatever.
>>>>> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video
>>>>> is perfectly safe.
>>>>
>>>> Nah - not that I think it's pretty safe. Not even something I would
>>>> consider to be a regular part of my wood working practices. I just
>>>> don't
>>>> think it's a dangerous as has been suggested here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nobody ever thinks anything is as dangerous. Apparently there are guys
>>> in here who think their saw's splitter is too inconvenient to bother
>>> with. And that's on a proper table saw. It's all hyperbole until you're
>>> in the ER getting stitched up.
>>>
>>> When I see stuff like that in person, my motto is, have the argument now
>>> before there is any bloodshed. Last time, I didn't.
>>> I was helping my producer friend build a studio in his house. His bass
>>> player was there doing most of the work and design. He had a little
>>> table top job-site table saw sitting on the driveway, with the guard and
>>> splitter removed. I didn't know the guy very well so I didn't say
>>> anything. After the guy left, I told my producer friend, "He should
>>> really be more careful as a carpenter if he wants to keep playing bass."
>>>
>>> Not two months later, he called me and told my the guy had to go to the
>>> hospital to get his hand stitched up and had months of physical therapy
>>> to look forward to.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I had a similar occurrence on a jobsite. A guy had a saw with guards,
>> riving knives, splitters, etc. I mentioned to the superintendant that if
>> I had to have all that stuff on my saw, I wouldn't be able to see what
>> the hell I was doing. A week later, the guy cut his hand open on his
>> "protected" table saw. Out for 2 months.
>>
>> Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
>> table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.
>>
>
> Like someone else once said in another related thread, just because your
> foolishness hasn't resulted in any consequences doesn't make it any less
> foolish.

I guess my safety practices has nothing to do with it. I use my table
saw almost every day. For decades. Safety is my main concern. I just
don't depend on those new fangled "safety" devices. I depend on my
attention and safe practices. Still have all ten fingers and toes and I
can say that I have never cut myself on a table saw. Cut myself with a
bandsaw once, though.


--
Robert Allison
New Braunfels, TX

"Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mar 23, 1:06 pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net> wrote:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...> This guy will only be
> able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>
> I love the on - off switch! Definitely low tech.

>Unfortunately, it'll burn out early due to arcing from
>plugging in and unplugging a live tool. What's a cheap
>Leviton light switch sell for, $0.69?

$2.99

Max

-MIKE- wrote:

>
> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and the
> whole think slips off the saw horses.

He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as parallel as your
rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you do. Friction with the
top? that has never been a contributor to kick back. All that does is make
a slower cut. Slipping off the saw horses? There is an inherent
coefficient of friction based on the weight of the contraption and it will
require more friction than that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's
not even evident that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Mar 24, 5:29=A0pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry, imposter posting and not my style..
>
> ------------------------
> "Josepi wannabe Steve B " =A0attempted to destroy the flavour in messagen=
ews:[email protected]...
>
> Fucking idiot! LOL
>
> -------------------------"Steve Barker" =A0wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On 3/23/2011 4:44 PM, Josepi wrote:
>
> > Looks more like they run it on baking soda and vinegar.
>
> > -------------------------
> > "Steve Barker" wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> > Here's one that doesn't take any hands. AND is steam driven.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dbpsafivfmrg&NR=3D1&feature=3Dfvwp
>
> ya, ya, that's it. =A0LOL!
>
> --

Try lithium, you dumb fuck.

Sorry, imposter posting and not my style..

------------------------
"Josepi wannabe Steve B " attempted to destroy the flavour in message
news:[email protected]...

Fucking idiot! LOL

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"Steve Barker" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 3/23/2011 4:44 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Looks more like they run it on baking soda and vinegar.
>
> -------------------------
> "Steve Barker" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Here's one that doesn't take any hands. AND is steam driven.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpsafivfmrg&NR=1&feature=fvwp
>
>

ya, ya, that's it. LOL!

--

On Mar 23, 5:00=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight," I'm
> lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would push my
> delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.

*whispers* psssst..., Mike... you're supposed to plug it in and let
the saw do all the work....
.
.
.
g,d&r

-MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
>>>>> the whole think slips off the saw horses.
>>>>
>>>> He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as
>>>> parallel as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you
>>>> do.
>>>> Friction with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
>>>> back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
>>>> horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
>>>> weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
>>>> that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident
>>>> that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
>>>> prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
>>>
>>> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight,"
>>> I'm lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would
>>> push my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
>>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
>>> say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in
>>> the direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes
>>> to move my Delta.
>>
>> Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed
>> my Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force
>> wood that should not require that much force through my saw,
>>
>
> Yeah, whatever.
> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video
> is perfectly safe.

Nah - not that I think it's pretty safe. Not even something I would
consider to be a regular part of my wood working practices. I just don't
think it's a dangerous as has been suggested here.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Mar 23, 3:07=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/23/11 1:29 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Nova wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:23:58 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> In article<[email protected]>,
> >>> [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkWgzAk0kuQ
>
> >>> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that
> >>> there's
> >>> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with
> >>> any other table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who
> >>> would engage in this sort of redneck rigging is less likely to
> >>> observe proper safety precautions
> >>> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right
> >>> equipment.
>
> >> It's pretty common to see setups like that on construction sites,
> >> especially siding jobs, =A0in my area.
>
> > I wouldn't want to use something like that instead of my table saw, but=
in
> > reality, there is nothing necessarily dangerous with that setup. =A0I'd=
even
> > disagree with Doug's comment above yours - it's not "begging" for a
> > kickback. =A0Kickback is dependent on factors and techniques in cutting=
a
> > piece of wood - not on the presence of a splitter, or lack thereof.
>
> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and the
> whole think slips off the saw horses.
>
Problem solved.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:23:58 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>>This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>
>With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that there's
>any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with any other
>table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who would engage in this
>sort of redneck rigging is less likely to observe proper safety precautions
>than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right equipment.
There have been lots of "goog" saws in the past that had no splitter
- and if you are CAREFULL and know what you are doing setting up the
saw, they don't kick back any worse than a normal saw with a
splitter. But they need to be set up accurately.

On Mar 24, 7:49=A0pm, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote innews:a8da8954-f843-413b-8015-11=
[email protected]:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 24, 4:40 pm, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote
> >> innews:d88ca064-260b-4392-be01-04
> > [email protected]:
>
> >> > On Mar 24, 10:20 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:24:50 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >On Mar 24, 2:21 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:53 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>
> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day
> >> >> >> >> or two.
>
> >> >> >> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkWgzAk0kuQ
> >> >> >> >--------------------------------
> >> >> >> >Straight out of the pages of Fred Bingham's book, Practical
> >> >> >> >Yacht Joinery
>
> >> >> >> Chances are good that he didn't source it there, Lew. Har!
>
> >> >> >I have that book. Most projects/solutions in that book are pretty
> >> >> >nifty.
>
> >> >> Ditto, and I agree.
>
> >> >> >Perfect for the guy who either has no money or is so tight,
> >> >> >that when he farts only dogs can hear him.
>
> >> >> LOL! I hadn't heard that one before. It reminds me of the joke
> >> >> about the Scotsman inventing velcro so he could hear his wallet
> >> >> scream every time he opened it.
>
> >> > Make sure you wear a dustmask when a Dutchman open his wallet.
>
> >> Nou, nou, Rob. Gedraag je een beetje, wil je? Ik heb net wat Festoo
> > l
> >> spullen gekocht, en dat voor een hobbyist. Nou is mijn portemonnaie
> >> aan het krijsen!
> >> (glimlachje)
> >> --
> >> Best regards
> >> Han
> >> email address is invalid
>
> > Tis nog al wat. Geen problemen met de motten die eruit vlogen..of al
> > dat spinnerag?
> > Wat heb je aangeschaft?
>
> > Don't worry folks, Google Translate can handle this... =A0till we switc=
h
> > over to esperanto...The Ultimate Nerd language...LOL
>
> Domino, CT26, Ro 90. =A0Fantastisch!
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid

Wowsers. Congrats!

On Mar 24, 6:15=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 5:29=A0pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sorry, imposter posting and not my style..
>
> > ------------------------
> > "Josepi wannabe Steve B " =A0attempted to destroy the flavour in messag=
enews:[email protected]...
>
> > Fucking idiot! LOL
>
> > -------------------------"Steve Barker" =A0wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
> > On 3/23/2011 4:44 PM, Josepi wrote:
>
> > > Looks more like they run it on baking soda and vinegar.
>
> > > -------------------------
> > > "Steve Barker" wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > > Here's one that doesn't take any hands. AND is steam driven.
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dbpsafivfmrg&NR=3D1&feature=3Dfvwp
>
> > ya, ya, that's it. =A0LOL!
>
> > --
>
> Try lithium, you dumb fuck.

Holy COW!!! Who said THAT???

"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Doug Miller wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>
>> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that
>> there's
>> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with
>> any other table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who
>> would engage in this sort of redneck rigging is less likely to
>> observe proper safety precautions
>> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right
>> equipment.
>
> Right! Every commercial table saw comes with a splitter these days!
>
> Most are in a box somewhere in the shop.
>

Mines in a bag along with the guard. Original packageing. Never been used.

Looks more like they run it on baking soda and vinegar.

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Here's one that doesn't take any hands. AND is steam driven.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpsafivfmrg&NR=1&feature=fvwp


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remove the "not" from my address to email

Fucking idiot! LOL

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"Steve Barker" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 3/23/2011 4:44 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Looks more like they run it on baking soda and vinegar.
>
> -------------------------
> "Steve Barker" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Here's one that doesn't take any hands. AND is steam driven.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpsafivfmrg&NR=1&feature=fvwp
>
>

ya, ya, that's it. LOL!

--

There should be an orange and black logo on the top saying "Black and
Decker". My top was replaced years ago with a router inset top.

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"Han" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
I used a commercial variation of the setup a long time ago. I can't find
the company name. Now it is a stand for my little planer and my big
homemade airfilter. I don't recall having had any real problem with the
setup, but my Craftsman tablesaw with modifications (bought ca. 25 years
ago) works easier.
Pictures on ABPW

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 3/23/2011 11:53 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>
>


Here's one that doesn't take any hands. AND is steam driven.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpsafivfmrg&NR=1&feature=fvwp


--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 3/24/11 10:40 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> > In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On 3/24/11 2:26 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
> >>> table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Like someone else once said in another related thread, just because your
> >> foolishness hasn't resulted in any consequences doesn't make it any less
> >> foolish.
> >
> > s/hasn't resulted/hasn't yet resulted/
>
>
> Really? You're that guy?

I used to have one of those Sears tables where you
mounted a table saw underneath. It had a switch,
fortunately. I made quite a few things with that
setup.

s

"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/25/11 10:38 PM, CW wrote:
>> "-MIKE-"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, whatever.
>>> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
>>> perfectly safe.
>>>
>> Probably because it is. As safe as a saw can be.
>>
>
> bullshit.
>
yes, you are full of it.

I purchased one of those commercially made by Black and Decker, years back.
I still use the legs for a router table I built. Folds up nice.

Man, no push blocks or guard or even eye protection.

I guess his wife was acting "SawStop" in case his wiener got into the works.

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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
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I love the on - off switch! Definitely low tech.


"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ

RicodJour wrote the following:
> On Mar 23, 5:00 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's say
>> it is.
>>
>
> We don't have to say it is, it is. You can see the X in the closer,
> lower right screw head if you blow up the vid to full screen.
>
> R
>

Maybe that is a screw, but where's the one on the left horse side, and
what's that C-clamp holding?


--

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In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Mar 24, 10:20 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:24:50 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Mar 24, 2:21 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:53 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>>
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or
>> >> >> two.
>>
>> >> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>> >> >--------------------------------
>> >> >Straight out of the pages of Fred Bingham's book, Practical Yacht
>> >> >Joinery
>>
>> >> Chances are good that he didn't source it there, Lew.  Har!
>>
>> >I have that book. Most projects/solutions in that book are pretty
>> >nifty.
>>
>> Ditto, and I agree.
>>
>> >Perfect for the guy who either has no money or is so tight,
>> >that when he farts only dogs can hear him.
>>
>> LOL!  I hadn't heard that one before.  It reminds me of the joke
>> about the Scotsman inventing velcro so he could hear his wallet
>> scream every time he opened it.
>>
> Make sure you wear a dustmask when a Dutchman open his wallet.

Nou, nou, Rob. Gedraag je een beetje, wil je? Ik heb net wat Festool
spullen gekocht, en dat voor een hobbyist. Nou is mijn portemonnaie aan
het krijsen!
(glimlachje)
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:a8da8954-f843-413b-8015-117a9ddd1ba6@r19g2000prm.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 24, 4:40 pm, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote
>> innews:d88ca064-260b-4392-be01-04
> [email protected]:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 24, 10:20 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:24:50 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>>
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >On Mar 24, 2:21 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:53 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>>
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day
>> >> >> >> or two.
>>
>> >> >> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>> >> >> >--------------------------------
>> >> >> >Straight out of the pages of Fred Bingham's book, Practical
>> >> >> >Yacht Joinery
>>
>> >> >> Chances are good that he didn't source it there, Lew.  Har!
>>
>> >> >I have that book. Most projects/solutions in that book are pretty
>> >> >nifty.
>>
>> >> Ditto, and I agree.
>>
>> >> >Perfect for the guy who either has no money or is so tight,
>> >> >that when he farts only dogs can hear him.
>>
>> >> LOL!  I hadn't heard that one before.  It reminds me of the joke
>> >> about the Scotsman inventing velcro so he could hear his wallet
>> >> scream every time he opened it.
>>
>> > Make sure you wear a dustmask when a Dutchman open his wallet.
>>
>> Nou, nou, Rob.  Gedraag je een beetje, wil je?  Ik heb net wat Festoo
> l
>> spullen gekocht, en dat voor een hobbyist. Nou is mijn portemonnaie
>> aan het krijsen!
>> (glimlachje)
>> --
>> Best regards
>> Han
>> email address is invalid
>
> Tis nog al wat. Geen problemen met de motten die eruit vlogen..of al
> dat spinnerag?
> Wat heb je aangeschaft?
>
> Don't worry folks, Google Translate can handle this... till we switch
> over to esperanto...The Ultimate Nerd language...LOL
>
Domino, CT26, Ro 90. Fantastisch!

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:7a2b9e65-afb7-41e6-b8f7-
[email protected]:

>> Domino, CT26, Ro 90. ÿFantastisch!
>>
>> --
>> Best regards
>> Han
>> email address is invalid
>
> Wowsers. Congrats!
>

Thanks!
(No esperanto here)

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, whatever.
>> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video
>> is perfectly safe.
>>
> Probably because it is. As safe as a saw can be.

I used a commercial variation of the setup a long time ago. I can't find
the company name. Now it is a stand for my little planer and my big
homemade airfilter. I don't recall having had any real problem with the
setup, but my Craftsman tablesaw with modifications (bought ca. 25 years
ago) works easier.
Pictures on ABPW

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Mar 24, 2:21=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:53 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkWgzAk0kuQ
> >--------------------------------
> >Straight out of the pages of Fred Bingham's book, Practical Yacht
> >Joinery
>
> Chances are good that he didn't source it there, Lew. =A0Har!
>
> --
> You are today where your thoughts have brought you;
> you will be tomorrow where your thoughts take you.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- James L=
ane Allen

I have that book. Most projects/solutions in that book are pretty
nifty. Perfect for the guy who either has no money or is so tight,
that when he farts only dogs can hear him.

willshak wrote:
> RicodJour wrote the following:
>> On Mar 23, 5:00 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but
>>> let's say it is.
>>>
>>
>> We don't have to say it is, it is. You can see the X in the closer,
>> lower right screw head if you blow up the vid to full screen.
>>
>> R
>>
>
> Maybe that is a screw, but where's the one on the left horse side, and
> what's that C-clamp holding?

I thought that the one more inboard was the screw holding the other edge of
the board to the saw horse nearest him. The C clamp appears to be holding
the "rip fence" in place.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Mar 24, 4:40=A0pm, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote innews:d88ca064-260b-4392-be01-04=
[email protected]:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 24, 10:20=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:24:50 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >On Mar 24, 2:21=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:53 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or
> >> >> >> two.
>
> >> >> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkWgzAk0kuQ
> >> >> >--------------------------------
> >> >> >Straight out of the pages of Fred Bingham's book, Practical Yacht
> >> >> >Joinery
>
> >> >> Chances are good that he didn't source it there, Lew. =A0Har!
>
> >> >I have that book. Most projects/solutions in that book are pretty
> >> >nifty.
>
> >> Ditto, and I agree.
>
> >> >Perfect for the guy who either has no money or is so tight,
> >> >that when he farts only dogs can hear him.
>
> >> LOL! =A0I hadn't heard that one before. =A0It reminds me of the joke
> >> about the Scotsman inventing velcro so he could hear his wallet
> >> scream every time he opened it.
>
> > Make sure you wear a dustmask when a Dutchman open his wallet.
>
> Nou, nou, Rob. =A0Gedraag je een beetje, wil je? =A0Ik heb net wat Festoo=
l
> spullen gekocht, en dat voor een hobbyist. Nou is mijn portemonnaie aan
> het krijsen!
> (glimlachje)
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid

Tis nog al wat. Geen problemen met de motten die eruit vlogen..of al
dat spinnerag?
Wat heb je aangeschaft?

Don't worry folks, Google Translate can handle this... till we switch
over to esperanto...The Ultimate Nerd language...LOL

On Mar 23, 5:00=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's say
> it is.

We don't have to say it is, it is. You can see the X in the closer,
lower right screw head if you blow up the vid to full screen.

R

On Mar 23, 12:53=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkWgzAk0kuQ
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 [email protected]
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

A lot of us started out like that before saving up
for a real ts. Reasonably safe if you pay attention,
use *two* clamps to lock in the fence, and don't
try to rip a board across its short dimension.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:24:50 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mar 24, 2:21 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:53 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>
>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>> >--------------------------------
>> >Straight out of the pages of Fred Bingham's book, Practical Yacht
>> >Joinery
>>
>> Chances are good that he didn't source it there, Lew.  Har!
>
>I have that book. Most projects/solutions in that book are pretty
>nifty.

Ditto, and I agree.


>Perfect for the guy who either has no money or is so tight,
>that when he farts only dogs can hear him.

LOL! I hadn't heard that one before. It reminds me of the joke about
the Scotsman inventing velcro so he could hear his wallet scream every
time he opened it.

--
You are today where your thoughts have brought you;
you will be tomorrow where your thoughts take you.
-- James Lane Allen

On Mar 24, 10:20=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:24:50 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Mar 24, 2:21=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:53 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> >> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkWgzAk0kuQ
> >> >--------------------------------
> >> >Straight out of the pages of Fred Bingham's book, Practical Yacht
> >> >Joinery
>
> >> Chances are good that he didn't source it there, Lew. =A0Har!
>
> >I have that book. Most projects/solutions in that book are pretty
> >nifty.
>
> Ditto, and I agree.
>
> >Perfect for the guy who either has no money or is so tight,
> >that when he farts only dogs can hear him.
>
> LOL! =A0I hadn't heard that one before. =A0It reminds me of the joke abou=
t
> the Scotsman inventing velcro so he could hear his wallet scream every
> time he opened it.
>
Make sure you wear a dustmask when a Dutchman open his wallet.

"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>
>
> --
>
> -MIKE-
>
> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> --Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
> --
> http://mikedrums.com
> [email protected]
> ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
>

Harbor Freight new product testor.

On Mar 23, 1:06=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net> wrote:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...> This guy will only be ab=
le to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkWgzAk0kuQ
>
> I love the on - off switch! =A0Definitely low tech.

Unfortunately, it'll burn out early due to arcing from
plugging in and unplugging a live tool. What's a cheap
Leviton light switch sell for, $0.69?

On Mar 24, 9:52=A0pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > willshak wrote:
> >> RicodJour wrote the following:
> >>> On Mar 23, 5:00 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but
> >>>> let's say it is.
>
> >>> We don't have to say it is, it is. =A0You can see the X in the closer=
,
> >>> lower right screw head if you blow up the vid to full screen.
>
> >>> R
>
> >> Maybe that is a screw, but where's the one on the left horse side, and
> >> what's that C-clamp holding?
>
> > I thought that the one more inboard was the screw holding the other edg=
e
> > of the board to the saw horse nearest him. =A0The C clamp appears to be
> > holding the "rip fence" in place.
>
> Fence looks to be held by screws also.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Single rubber clamp. Doesn't hold worth shit.

Nova wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:23:58 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>
>> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that
>> there's
>> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with
>> any other table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who
>> would engage in this sort of redneck rigging is less likely to
>> observe proper safety precautions
>> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right
>> equipment.
>
>
> It's pretty common to see setups like that on construction sites,
> especially siding jobs, in my area.

I wouldn't want to use something like that instead of my table saw, but in
reality, there is nothing necessarily dangerous with that setup. I'd even
disagree with Doug's comment above yours - it's not "begging" for a
kickback. Kickback is dependent on factors and techniques in cutting a
piece of wood - not on the presence of a splitter, or lack thereof.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Mar 23, 4:12=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]=
om wrote:
> >On 3/23/11 1:23 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> >> In article<[email protected]>, m...@mikedrumsDOT=
.com
> > wrote:
> >>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAkWgzAk0kuQ
>
> >> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that t=
here's
> >> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with a=
ny
> > other
> >> table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who would engage =
in this
> >> sort of redneck rigging is less likely to observe proper safety precau=
tions
> >> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right equipmen=
t.
>
> >As far as I can tell, the thing is just sitting on those two "table
> >horses or whatever they're called" and not attached in any way.
>
> So if it vibrates or bounces around too much, it automatically implements=
one
> of the safety features of the SawStop: the blade drops out of the way....=
-

ROFLMAO

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ

With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that there's
any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with any other
table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who would engage in this
sort of redneck rigging is less likely to observe proper safety precautions
than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right equipment.

On 3/23/11 1:23 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>
> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that there's
> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with any other
> table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who would engage in this
> sort of redneck rigging is less likely to observe proper safety precautions
> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right equipment.

As far as I can tell, the thing is just sitting on those two "table
horses or whatever they're called" and not attached in any way.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/23/11 1:29 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Nova wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:23:58 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>>
>>> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that
>>> there's
>>> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with
>>> any other table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who
>>> would engage in this sort of redneck rigging is less likely to
>>> observe proper safety precautions
>>> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right
>>> equipment.
>>
>>
>> It's pretty common to see setups like that on construction sites,
>> especially siding jobs, in my area.
>
> I wouldn't want to use something like that instead of my table saw, but in
> reality, there is nothing necessarily dangerous with that setup. I'd even
> disagree with Doug's comment above yours - it's not "begging" for a
> kickback. Kickback is dependent on factors and techniques in cutting a
> piece of wood - not on the presence of a splitter, or lack thereof.
>

The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and the
whole think slips off the saw horses.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>On 3/23/11 1:23 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected]
> wrote:
>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>
>> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that there's
>> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with any
> other
>> table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who would engage in this
>> sort of redneck rigging is less likely to observe proper safety precautions
>> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right equipment.
>
>As far as I can tell, the thing is just sitting on those two "table
>horses or whatever they're called" and not attached in any way.

So if it vibrates or bounces around too much, it automatically implements one
of the safety features of the SawStop: the blade drops out of the way....

In article <[email protected]>, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> So if it vibrates or bounces around too much, it automatically implements one
>> of the safety features of the SawStop: the blade drops out of the way....
>
>right on to his foot.

Naaah. Blade's on the up side. ;-)

On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>
>> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and the
>> whole think slips off the saw horses.
>
> He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as parallel as your
> rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you do. Friction with the
> top? that has never been a contributor to kick back. All that does is make
> a slower cut. Slipping off the saw horses? There is an inherent
> coefficient of friction based on the weight of the contraption and it will
> require more friction than that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's
> not even evident that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
> prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
>

As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight," I'm
lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would push my
delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's say
it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in the
direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes to move
my Delta.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/23/11 2:54 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Mar 23, 2:02 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 3/23/11 1:23 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>
>>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>
>>> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that there's
>>> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with any other
>>> table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who would engage in this
>>> sort of redneck rigging is less likely to observe proper safety precautions
>>> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right equipment.
>>
>> As far as I can tell, the thing is just sitting on those two "table
>> horses or whatever they're called" and not attached in any way.
>
> The 'table horses' have 2x4s attached to their tops, and the table saw
> rig is screwed down to those.
>
> That's a pretty typical job site jury-rig when there's no table saw on
> site and only a few pieces have to be cut. In many ways it's a lot
> safer than when framer's disable the blade guard on a circular saw and
> are leaning over with a wide-legged stance. You're always balancing
> time and efficiency versus risk, and you'll know pretty clearly when
> you've underestimated the risk.
>
> R

I've flipped over the old circ saw to rip trim before. But I took quite
a few more precautions than this guy, including a splitter and a foot
switch.



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On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>
>> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and the
>> whole think slips off the saw horses.
>
> He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as parallel as your
> rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you do. Friction with the
> top? that has never been a contributor to kick back. All that does is make
> a slower cut. Slipping off the saw horses? There is an inherent
> coefficient of friction based on the weight of the contraption and it will
> require more friction than that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's
> not even evident that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
> prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
>

As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight," I'm
lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would push my
delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's say
it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in the
direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes to move
my Delta.


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On 3/23/11 2:54 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Mar 23, 2:02 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 3/23/11 1:23 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>
>>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>
>>> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that there's
>>> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with any other
>>> table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who would engage in this
>>> sort of redneck rigging is less likely to observe proper safety precautions
>>> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right equipment.
>>
>> As far as I can tell, the thing is just sitting on those two "table
>> horses or whatever they're called" and not attached in any way.
>
> The 'table horses' have 2x4s attached to their tops, and the table saw
> rig is screwed down to those.
>
> That's a pretty typical job site jury-rig when there's no table saw on
> site and only a few pieces have to be cut. In many ways it's a lot
> safer than when framer's disable the blade guard on a circular saw and
> are leaning over with a wide-legged stance. You're always balancing
> time and efficiency versus risk, and you'll know pretty clearly when
> you've underestimated the risk.
>
> R


I've flipped over the old circ saw to rip trim before.
But I took quite a few more precautions than this guy, including a
splitter and a foot switch.


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On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
>>>> the whole think slips off the saw horses.
>>>
>>> He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as parallel
>>> as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you do. Friction
>>> with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
>>> back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
>>> horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
>>> weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
>>> that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident that
>>> the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise prevented
>>> from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
>>
>> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight," I'm
>> lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would push
>> my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
>> say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in the
>> direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes to
>> move my Delta.
>
> Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed my
> Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force wood that
> should not require that much force through my saw,
>

Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
perfectly safe.



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On 3/23/11 10:49 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Mar 23, 5:00 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight," I'm
>> lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would push my
>> delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
>
> *whispers* psssst..., Mike... you're supposed to plug it in and let
> the saw do all the work....
> .
> .
> .
> g,d&r

Crap! It's so much easier now. :-)


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On 3/24/2011 12:40 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
>>>>> the whole think slips off the saw horses.
>>>>
>>>> He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as parallel
>>>> as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you do.
>>>> Friction
>>>> with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
>>>> back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
>>>> horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
>>>> weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
>>>> that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident that
>>>> the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise prevented
>>>> from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
>>>
>>> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight," I'm
>>> lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would push
>>> my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
>>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
>>> say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in the
>>> direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes to
>>> move my Delta.
>>
>> Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed my
>> Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force wood
>> that
>> should not require that much force through my saw,
>>
>
> Yeah, whatever.
> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
> perfectly safe.
>

That is one of the fallacies of people today. They think by adding
gimmicks to what ever they are using makes them safe.

A saw can have every safety gimmick in the world but, if the operator is
listening to his Ipod through his earphones, talking to his partner,
while watching the girl across the yard, nothing will protect him from
an accident.

The best safety device is your ability to think, be creative and
concentrating on the saw you are operating.

On 3/24/11 8:32 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
>> Yeah, whatever.
>> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
>> perfectly safe.
>>
>
> That is one of the fallacies of people today. They think by adding
> gimmicks to what ever they are using makes them safe.
>
> A saw can have every safety gimmick in the world but, if the operator is
> listening to his Ipod through his earphones, talking to his partner,
> while watching the girl across the yard, nothing will protect him from
> an accident.
>
> The best safety device is your ability to think, be creative and
> concentrating on the saw you are operating.
>

Another fallacy is that you don't need all those fancy safety devices if
you just pay attention and work safely.


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On 3/24/11 7:03 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
>>>>>> the whole think slips off the saw horses.
>>>>>
>>>>> He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as
>>>>> parallel as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you
>>>>> do.
>>>>> Friction with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
>>>>> back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
>>>>> horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
>>>>> weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
>>>>> that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident
>>>>> that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
>>>>> prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
>>>>
>>>> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight,"
>>>> I'm lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would
>>>> push my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
>>>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
>>>> say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in
>>>> the direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes
>>>> to move my Delta.
>>>
>>> Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed
>>> my Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force
>>> wood that should not require that much force through my saw,
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, whatever.
>> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video
>> is perfectly safe.
>
> Nah - not that I think it's pretty safe. Not even something I would
> consider to be a regular part of my wood working practices. I just don't
> think it's a dangerous as has been suggested here.
>

Nobody ever thinks anything is as dangerous. Apparently there are guys
in here who think their saw's splitter is too inconvenient to bother
with. And that's on a proper table saw. It's all hyperbole until you're
in the ER getting stitched up.

When I see stuff like that in person, my motto is, have the argument now
before there is any bloodshed. Last time, I didn't.
I was helping my producer friend build a studio in his house. His bass
player was there doing most of the work and design. He had a little
table top job-site table saw sitting on the driveway, with the guard and
splitter removed. I didn't know the guy very well so I didn't say
anything. After the guy left, I told my producer friend, "He should
really be more careful as a carpenter if he wants to keep playing bass."

Not two months later, he called me and told my the guy had to go to the
hospital to get his hand stitched up and had months of physical therapy
to look forward to.


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On 3/24/11 2:26 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
> On 3/24/2011 12:38 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/24/11 7:03 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
>>>>>>>> the whole think slips off the saw horses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as
>>>>>>> parallel as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you
>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>> Friction with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
>>>>>>> back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
>>>>>>> horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
>>>>>>> weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
>>>>>>> that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident
>>>>>>> that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
>>>>>>> prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight,"
>>>>>> I'm lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would
>>>>>> push my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
>>>>>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
>>>>>> say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in
>>>>>> the direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes
>>>>>> to move my Delta.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed
>>>>> my Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force
>>>>> wood that should not require that much force through my saw,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, whatever.
>>>> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video
>>>> is perfectly safe.
>>>
>>> Nah - not that I think it's pretty safe. Not even something I would
>>> consider to be a regular part of my wood working practices. I just don't
>>> think it's a dangerous as has been suggested here.
>>>
>>
>> Nobody ever thinks anything is as dangerous. Apparently there are guys
>> in here who think their saw's splitter is too inconvenient to bother
>> with. And that's on a proper table saw. It's all hyperbole until you're
>> in the ER getting stitched up.
>>
>> When I see stuff like that in person, my motto is, have the argument now
>> before there is any bloodshed. Last time, I didn't.
>> I was helping my producer friend build a studio in his house. His bass
>> player was there doing most of the work and design. He had a little
>> table top job-site table saw sitting on the driveway, with the guard and
>> splitter removed. I didn't know the guy very well so I didn't say
>> anything. After the guy left, I told my producer friend, "He should
>> really be more careful as a carpenter if he wants to keep playing bass."
>>
>> Not two months later, he called me and told my the guy had to go to the
>> hospital to get his hand stitched up and had months of physical therapy
>> to look forward to.
>>
>>
>
> I had a similar occurrence on a jobsite. A guy had a saw with guards,
> riving knives, splitters, etc. I mentioned to the superintendant that if
> I had to have all that stuff on my saw, I wouldn't be able to see what
> the hell I was doing. A week later, the guy cut his hand open on his
> "protected" table saw. Out for 2 months.
>
> Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
> table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.
>

Like someone else once said in another related thread, just because your
foolishness hasn't resulted in any consequences doesn't make it any less
foolish.


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On 3/24/2011 3:41 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
...

> I guess my safety practices has nothing to do with it. I use my table
> saw almost every day. For decades. Safety is my main concern. I just
> don't depend on those new fangled "safety" devices. I depend on my
> attention and safe practices. Still have all ten fingers and toes and I
> can say that I have never cut myself on a table saw. Cut myself with a
> bandsaw once, though.

There's no point in it, but...

Agree Robert, and I'm (apparently) even older as I've "gotten by" for 50
years (altho not every day, still frequent and there were periods that
were scattered thru there).

I think the big problem w/ guys like Mike is they don't have that
experience and didn't (apparently) come from the time when such was the
norm that there weren't any such apparati at all, anyway, whether one
cared or not. Pre- the OSHA furor beginning in the 60s when I began,
there wasn't even a guard available for the TS from the manufacturer and
splitters were essentially unheard of except for a few commercial saws.

W/ the growing up that way, one learns a whole different skill set I
believe and that remains as times and technology...

There are places where they work well, sometimes they can be coped with,
other times they really are more a detriment than a help.

I don't have the bandwidth to see the particular setup but my gut guess
is it isn't terribly unsafe; it's only unconventional and therefore
judged on that basis as much or more than the actual facts.

Would it meet OSHA? Probably not...then again, I don't meet OSHA often
on farm work and don't feel I take any undue risks at all. :)

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On 3/24/11 3:55 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 3/24/2011 3:41 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
> ...
>
>> I guess my safety practices has nothing to do with it. I use my table
>> saw almost every day. For decades. Safety is my main concern. I just
>> don't depend on those new fangled "safety" devices. I depend on my
>> attention and safe practices. Still have all ten fingers and toes and I
>> can say that I have never cut myself on a table saw. Cut myself with a
>> bandsaw once, though.
>
> There's no point in it, but...
>
> Agree Robert, and I'm (apparently) even older as I've "gotten by" for 50
> years (altho not every day, still frequent and there were periods that
> were scattered thru there).
>
> I think the big problem w/ guys like Mike is they don't have that
> experience

In my case that is incorrect.


> and didn't (apparently) come from the time when such was the
> norm that there weren't any such apparati at all, anyway, whether one
> cared or not. Pre- the OSHA furor beginning in the 60s when I began,
> there wasn't even a guard available for the TS from the manufacturer and
> splitters were essentially unheard of except for a few commercial saws.
>
> W/ the growing up that way, one learns a whole different skill set I
> believe and that remains as times and technology...
>
> There are places where they work well, sometimes they can be coped with,
> other times they really are more a detriment than a help.
>
> I don't have the bandwidth to see the particular setup but my gut guess
> is it isn't terribly unsafe; it's only unconventional and therefore
> judged on that basis as much or more than the actual facts.
>
> Would it meet OSHA? Probably not...then again, I don't meet OSHA often
> on farm work and don't feel I take any undue risks at all. :)
>
> --

There are just as many old guys who grew up without antilock brakes,
airbag, seatbelts, power steering and all that new fanged stuff who
swear a model T is safer and easier to drive. :-)


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On 3/24/2011 4:13 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
...

>> I think the big problem w/ guys like Mike is they don't have that
>> experience
>
> In my case that is incorrect.
...

OK, then, you're just preachy...

:)

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On 3/24/11 5:32 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 3/24/2011 4:13 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> ...
>
>>> I think the big problem w/ guys like Mike is they don't have that
>>> experience
>>
>> In my case that is incorrect.
> ...
>
> OK, then, you're just preachy...
>
> :)
>

I see the smiley, but I don't mind the label.
I've witnessed too (2, in fact) many friends get hurt very bad, due to
poor operation like the foolishness in that video.


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"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "Lee
> Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>> So if it vibrates or bounces around too much, it automatically
>>> implements one
>>> of the safety features of the SawStop: the blade drops out of the
>>> way....
>>
>>right on to his foot.
>
> Naaah. Blade's on the up side. ;-)


Stuff always lands sharp end down.

"k-nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/24/2011 12:40 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
>>>>>> the whole think slips off the saw horses.
>>>>>
>>>>> He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as parallel
>>>>> as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you do.
>>>>> Friction
>>>>> with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
>>>>> back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
>>>>> horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
>>>>> weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
>>>>> that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident that
>>>>> the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise prevented
>>>>> from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.
>>>>
>>>> As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight," I'm
>>>> lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would push
>>>> my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
>>>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
>>>> say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in the
>>>> direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes to
>>>> move my Delta.
>>>
>>> Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed my
>>> Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force wood
>>> that
>>> should not require that much force through my saw,
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, whatever.
>> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
>> perfectly safe.
>>
>
> That is one of the fallacies of people today. They think by adding
> gimmicks to what ever they are using makes them safe.
>
> A saw can have every safety gimmick in the world but, if the operator is
> listening to his Ipod through his earphones, talking to his partner, while
> watching the girl across the yard, nothing will protect him from an
> accident.
>
> The best safety device is your ability to think, be creative and
> concentrating on the saw you are operating.
>
>

Same with driving. But having a seat belt, air bags, collapsible steering
wheel, etc all make driving a lot less injurious than it was 50 years ago.

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"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> willshak wrote:
>> RicodJour wrote the following:
>>> On Mar 23, 5:00 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but
>>>> let's say it is.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We don't have to say it is, it is. You can see the X in the closer,
>>> lower right screw head if you blow up the vid to full screen.
>>>
>>> R
>>>
>>
>> Maybe that is a screw, but where's the one on the left horse side, and
>> what's that C-clamp holding?
>
> I thought that the one more inboard was the screw holding the other edge
> of the board to the saw horse nearest him. The C clamp appears to be
> holding the "rip fence" in place.
>

Fence looks to be held by screws also.

"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Marlow wrote the following:
>> Nova wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:23:58 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>>>>
>>>> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that
>>>> there's
>>>> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with
>>>> any other table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who
>>>> would engage in this sort of redneck rigging is less likely to
>>>> observe proper safety precautions
>>>> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right
>>>> equipment.
>>>>
>>> It's pretty common to see setups like that on construction sites,
>>> especially siding jobs, in my area.
>>>
>>
>> I wouldn't want to use something like that instead of my table saw, but
>> in reality, there is nothing necessarily dangerous with that setup. I'd
>> even disagree with Doug's comment above yours - it's not "begging" for a
>> kickback. Kickback is dependent on factors and techniques in cutting a
>> piece of wood - not on the presence of a splitter, or lack thereof.
>>
>>
>
> That's a good thing to have when you are going to do a job at Mom's house
> across town. The whole setup would fit in a car trunk.
>

So would a bench top saw.

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:44:37 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:56:34 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>> Yea, he'll still (hopefully) have his toes.
>
> You haven't seen him use his homemade bandsaw yet, have you?
>

Dueling?

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>On 3/24/11 2:26 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
[...]
>> Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
>> table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.
>>
>
>Like someone else once said in another related thread, just because your
>foolishness hasn't resulted in any consequences doesn't make it any less
>foolish.

s/hasn't resulted/hasn't yet resulted/

On 3/24/11 10:40 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>> On 3/24/11 2:26 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
> [...]
>>> Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
>>> table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.
>>>
>>
>> Like someone else once said in another related thread, just because your
>> foolishness hasn't resulted in any consequences doesn't make it any less
>> foolish.
>
> s/hasn't resulted/hasn't yet resulted/


Really? You're that guy?


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On 3/25/11 10:38 PM, CW wrote:
> "-MIKE-"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, whatever.
>> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
>> perfectly safe.
>>
> Probably because it is. As safe as a saw can be.
>

bullshit.


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On 3/27/11 12:06 AM, CW wrote:
> "-MIKE-"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 3/25/11 10:38 PM, CW wrote:
>>> "-MIKE-"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, whatever.
>>>> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
>>>> perfectly safe.
>>>>
>>> Probably because it is. As safe as a saw can be.
>>>
>>
>> bullshit.
>>
> yes, you are full of it.
>

What grade are you in?


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"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>
> Yeah, whatever.
> Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
> perfectly safe.
>
Probably because it is. As safe as a saw can be.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:17:11 -0400, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:23:58 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>>>This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>
>>With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that there's
>>any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with any other
>>table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who would engage in this
>>sort of redneck rigging is less likely to observe proper safety precautions
>>than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right equipment.
>
>
>It's pretty common to see setups like that on construction sites,
>especially siding jobs, in my area.
I used to have a commercially available table saw "adapter" that used
my skill saw in the same way - significantly refined, with a nifty
very effective switch and all that. Got rid of it and got myself a
good old cast iron BEAVER 8" table saw that did me for quite a few
more years before I decided to downsize my wood shop - joined a
woodworking club for when I needed equipment other than my hand tools
and hand power tools.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:23:58 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>>This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>
>With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that there's
>any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with any other
>table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who would engage in this
>sort of redneck rigging is less likely to observe proper safety precautions
>than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right equipment.


It's pretty common to see setups like that on construction sites,
especially siding jobs, in my area.
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:06:38 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:

>
>
>"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>
>>
>I love the on - off switch! Definitely low tech.

At least he isn't leaning his hand on the table (or blade) while
reaching under it to hit the switch & hold the lock button in, eh?

P.S: Who thinks that redneck could _ever_ count to ten?

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"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>
>
> --
>
> -MIKE-
>
> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> --Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>
Why?

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:44:37 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:56:34 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>>
>> Why?
>>
> Yea, he'll still (hopefully) have his toes.

You haven't seen him use his homemade bandsaw yet, have you?

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On 3/23/2011 4:44 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Looks more like they run it on baking soda and vinegar.
>
> -------------------------
> "Steve Barker" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Here's one that doesn't take any hands. AND is steam driven.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpsafivfmrg&NR=1&feature=fvwp
>
>

ya, ya, that's it. LOL!

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On 3/23/2011 3:50 PM, HeyBub wrote:
> Doug Miller wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>
>> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that
>> there's
>> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with
>> any other table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who
>> would engage in this sort of redneck rigging is less likely to
>> observe proper safety precautions
>> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right
>> equipment.
>
> Right! Every commercial table saw comes with a splitter these days!
>
> Most are in a box somewhere in the shop.
>
>

LOL! mine is long gone in a land fill somewhere.

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Mike Marlow wrote the following:
> Nova wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:23:58 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>>>
>>> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that
>>> there's
>>> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with
>>> any other table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who
>>> would engage in this sort of redneck rigging is less likely to
>>> observe proper safety precautions
>>> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right
>>> equipment.
>>>
>> It's pretty common to see setups like that on construction sites,
>> especially siding jobs, in my area.
>>
>
> I wouldn't want to use something like that instead of my table saw, but in
> reality, there is nothing necessarily dangerous with that setup. I'd even
> disagree with Doug's comment above yours - it's not "begging" for a
> kickback. Kickback is dependent on factors and techniques in cutting a
> piece of wood - not on the presence of a splitter, or lack thereof.
>
>

That's a good thing to have when you are going to do a job at Mom's
house across town. The whole setup would fit in a car trunk.


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Doug Miller wrote the following:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>>
>
> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that there's
> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with any other
> table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who would engage in this
> sort of redneck rigging is less likely to observe proper safety precautions
> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right equipment.
>

Hey, he is wearing safety glasses.
My concern, other than the redneck on-off switch, is how that saw is
secured to the bottom of the board and is that board secured to the saw
horses.



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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:53 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>--------------------------------
>Straight out of the pages of Fred Bingham's book, Practical Yacht
>Joinery

Chances are good that he didn't source it there, Lew. Har!

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:56:34 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>
> Why?
>
Yea, he'll still (hopefully) have his toes.

Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>> This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ
>
> With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that
> there's
> any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with
> any other table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who
> would engage in this sort of redneck rigging is less likely to
> observe proper safety precautions
> than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right
> equipment.

Right! Every commercial table saw comes with a splitter these days!

Most are in a box somewhere in the shop.